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Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 06 2014 07:53 AM

Gee draws Johnny Cueto, who kind of reminds me of Mejia. We're about as hot as we've been since early July, and it's almost like it doesn't matter who's going for the bad guys. Rafael Montero has been recalled for the good guys, just in case.

Edgy MD Sep 06 2014 08:16 AM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Las Vegas one game from elimination and they don't give a shit. Send the Mets Montero. We'll still kick ass.

Edgy MD Sep 06 2014 11:05 AM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

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d'Kong76 Sep 06 2014 11:09 AM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

NY Mets at Cincinnati When: 4:10 PM ET, Saturday, September 6, 2014 Where: Great American Ball Park, Cincinnati, Ohio SportsDirect Inc. The New York Mets look to build upon their best offensive output of the season when they continue a three-game series against the Reds in Cincinnati on Saturday. The Mets matched a season high with 18 hits in a 14-5 victory to open the set, hammering five home runs for the first time in nearly eight years. Travis d'Arnaud remained hot with a three-run homer and an RBI single as he improved to 9-for-16 over his last four games. While New York has averaged 8.7 runs during its three-game winning streak, Cincinnati has given up an average of 8.5 during its four-game slide. The Reds are 15-31 since the All-Star break while falling eight games behind Milwaukee for the second wild card in the National League, one game behind the Mets. New York has won eight of the last 11 meetings on the road. TV: 4:10 p.m. ET, SNY (New York), FSN Ohio (Cincinnati) PITCHING MATCHUP: Mets RH Dillon Gee (6-6, 3.81 ERA) vs. Reds RH Johnny Cueto (16-8, 2.26) Gee has won back-to-back starts, allowing five runs in 12 2/3 innings in the process. He struck out seven - one shy of a season high - in six frames of a win over Philadelphia on Sunday, which gave him consecutive quality starts for the first time since coming off the disabled list in the beginning of July. Gee allowed three runs in a season-high 7 1/3 innings against the Reds at home on April 5, which was just his second all-time meeting with Cincinnati. Cueto bounced back from a pair of bumpy outings, relative to the rest of his phenomenal campaign, to spin eight solid innings in a win at Pittsburgh on Sunday. He gave up two runs in eight frames, the fourth time in six August starts that he has lasted that long. Cueto yielded two runs and five hits in seven innings with nine strikeouts opposite Gee in April, lowering his ERA in nine career starts versus New York to 4.50. WALK-OFFS: 1. Mets 3B David Wright is 10-for-23 with seven RBIs in his last five games. 2. Reds 2B Brandon Phillips has two home runs in seven at-bats against Gee. 3. New York SS Wilmer Flores is 10-for-25 with six runs scored during his six-game hitting streak.

Trachsel My Tears Sep 06 2014 12:05 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Edgy MD wrote: Donald actually grew up in Germany. German citizen, nicht besser. First one ever to play MLB. Achtung!

Zvon Sep 06 2014 01:08 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Edgy MD wrote: Donald actually grew up in Germany. So Teutonic Heritage Night is gonna be right up his alley. What color will those uniforms be?

d'Kong76 Sep 06 2014 01:16 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Black, red, and bier colored?

Benjamin Grimm Sep 06 2014 01:53 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

UMDB Facebook Page wrote: The Mets have never played a game where they scored in all nine innings, but they came close last night in Cincinnati, scoring in eight of the nine innings. That was the fourth time in their history that the Mets scored at least one run in eight different innings, and the first time they did so outside of New York City. The previous three times this happened were in a 16-4 win over the Braves at Shea Stadium on July 20, 1985; in an 11-2 win at Yankee Stadium on June 29, 2002, and on September 29, 2007 at Shea, a 13-0 shutout of the Marlins on the second-to-last day of the season. This was a must-win game that briefly revived the Mets' flagging hopes for the 2007 playoffs, which were quickly dashed in the first inning of the following day.

A Boy Named Seo Sep 06 2014 02:40 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

The young bloods are rakin' again today. Would be such a nice problem to have if both Wilmer and Dilson become real weapons with the bat.

Zvon Sep 06 2014 03:25 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

I saw the beginning of the game, and at a point when I really wanted to pay attention, I got company. Gary had just said he spoke to TC about Herrera playing short, and I really wanted to hear this, but then DING DONG and I'm just getting back to the game now. Does anyone know what Gary said about the possibility of Dilson playing short? Still 1-0 us.

d'Kong76 Sep 06 2014 04:00 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Gee, those fireworks are obnoxious.

Zvon Sep 06 2014 04:03 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Jeeze, I can't leave this team alone for a minute. Tied 1-1. Ugh, Frazier. Stupid guy hits stupid homer.

Zvon Sep 06 2014 04:09 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

I'll have to play the game back later and catch Gary's comments about Dilson at short. I need to know if that's a possibility. And if not what the reasoning is. 1-1 Mets. We need to knock Cueto outta there. He's at 115 pitches in the 7th.

Zvon Sep 06 2014 04:11 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Or just let him walk off quietly. Looks like he's done after 7. This is an important inning. Hold 'em Gee-man.

d'Kong76 Sep 06 2014 04:17 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Granderson flashin' some foul ball D. Next pitch ... uh oh.

Zvon Sep 06 2014 04:20 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Oh crapcycles Gee! Wtf? That was a pretty fat pitch. 2-1 Cincinnatians A pinch hit homer no less. Could net Cueto the win. Unfortunately for him we are slated to win 5 in a row. I already etched it in stone. So how are we going to make a comeback?

Zvon Sep 06 2014 04:24 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Lets make this inning the lowlight of Jumbo's long and shitty career guyz. denDekker overpowered.

Zvon Sep 06 2014 04:28 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Wow. Diaz does the opposite, makes idiots out of Den and Wright who K effortlessly, and then they bring in Chapman for a four out save. Interesting. And bad news.

Zvon Sep 06 2014 04:34 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Chapman is bringin' it. Gah! BooBoo Doo!

Edgy MD Sep 06 2014 04:35 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Jacked up Cubans. The new brand of MLB monsters.

Edgy MD Sep 06 2014 04:37 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Willing to send Soup up for Granderson to face that guy?

d'Kong76 Sep 06 2014 04:39 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

This game must be won. Some way, some how.

Zvon Sep 06 2014 04:41 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Edgy MD wrote: Willing to send Soup up for Granderson to face that guy? That would take balls.

Edgy MD Sep 06 2014 04:41 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Agreed. Trying to figure out how.

Edgy MD Sep 06 2014 04:46 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Woot! Grandy hits the hardest lefty in the league.

Ceetar Sep 06 2014 04:46 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

please don't bunt. also, remember that offense from yesterday?

Zvon Sep 06 2014 04:46 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Grandy pokes a single! EYoung in to run and he's gotta take 2nd ASAP.

Edgy MD Sep 06 2014 04:48 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Wow. 3-0 and Young on second.

Zvon Sep 06 2014 04:49 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Niiiice. EYoung steals second with no throw. And Dildon walks. 1st & 2nd, 1 out in the 9th.

Edgy MD Sep 06 2014 04:50 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Oh, man. 2-0 and tying run on third. Let's do this!

Zvon Sep 06 2014 04:51 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

WHOA!!!!!! Double steal!!!!!! 2nd & 3rd!

Zvon Sep 06 2014 04:51 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Ohh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Edgy MD Sep 06 2014 04:52 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

I see some pushing.

Zvon Sep 06 2014 04:52 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Edgy MD wrote: I see some pushing. Ugh, I really want to. GAHSHIT!

Edgy MD Sep 06 2014 04:53 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

I'm not so certain about that call. FUCK!

Zvon Sep 06 2014 04:53 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Ugh, reviews kill.

Edgy MD Sep 06 2014 04:56 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Everything going our way this inning except that fermsshuggin call.

Ceetar Sep 06 2014 04:57 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

woah, a Flores walk.

Edgy MD Sep 06 2014 04:58 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Mansakes. Campy wanted nothing to do with those two sliders.

d'Kong76 Sep 06 2014 05:00 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Terry with an umpire meeting. Feh.

Trachsel My Tears Sep 06 2014 05:01 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Edgy MD wrote: Everything going our way this inning except that fermsshuggin call. If I understand "fermsshuggin" correctly, you're concerned about the ump's judgment, but it was a good one. Everything's going our way this inning, except for EY's lousy baserunning. The umps got that one right.

Zvon Sep 06 2014 05:06 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Soupy lookin fastball all the way. And he gets one and swings through it. Could TC protest the game? I mean, if there is a replay that shows a push. A side view that shows if that indeed happened. There's no doubt that EYoung was off balance, and even a touch could send him in either direction, but how would that be viewed? A push and a touch are different things, but the result could be the same. He was forced to move in a direction that he had no intention of. This was at such an important point in the game. Couldn't have been a more crucial call. One thing I'll say is that the 3rd baseman didn't look like he was trying to push him off the bag. he just hung with him.

Frayed Knot Sep 06 2014 06:00 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

A call like that one is absolutely NOT what anyone who was proposing or advocating replay reviews was thinking of, but once that can of worms is open there's no way to keep those type of minuscule misses from being pulled along in the storm. As the rule is written it was correct to overturn the safe call. MLB and its fans just need to decide whether they think all the interruptions, fishing expeditions, and micro-managing of these ticky-tacky "injustices" are worth the cost.

Trachsel My Tears Sep 06 2014 06:17 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

If the Mets had picked off 3B the tying run in the 9th on a review call, I doubt this messageboard would be begrudging of an instant of wasted time, somehow.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 06 2014 07:01 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

I prefer to be unhappy with the 1st inning strike-em-out, throw-em-out. Anyway, total dickpunch.

d'Kong76 Sep 06 2014 07:10 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Sucked, didn't go with the plan. Need to win next nine.

Edgy MD Sep 06 2014 07:42 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Trachsel My Tears wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Everything going our way this inning except that fermsshuggin call. If I understand "fermsshuggin" correctly, you're concerned about the ump's judgment, but it was a good one. Everything's going our way this inning, except for EY's lousy baserunning. The umps got that one right. I wasn't convinced but I hear you. Young breaks contact with the bag just to feel the spring in his young legs, he has no one to blame but himself.

Trachsel My Tears Sep 06 2014 07:58 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Edgy MD wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Everything going our way this inning except that fermsshuggin call. If I understand "fermsshuggin" correctly, you're concerned about the ump's judgment, but it was a good one. Everything's going our way this inning, except for EY's lousy baserunning. The umps got that one right. I wasn't convinced but I hear you. Young breaks contact with the bag just to feel the spring in his young legs, he has no one to blame but himself. I appreciate being heard. Keith was all over EY on that play, "Dead out!", and praising the Cincy 3bman (Negron?) for keeping his glove on EY's body to catch him off the base. The stuff about him pushing him off the base was absurd--the fielder must be allowed to touch the runner with his glove, and there has to be some actual shoving involved, not just touching the runner, to even bring up "pushing him off the bag." If the glove ISN'T touching him, he's safe, and if it's touching him too hard, he's also safe. There must be a large area in between those two where he's out, otherwise you'd never have a tag play made.

Edgy MD Sep 06 2014 08:02 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

I was watching the Reds broadcast, not Keith and the Mets. I thought it was unclear from my angle. The tag hit, as I saw it, after the first spring. The guy relaxed the tag and Young sprung a second time, and he returned the tag in earnest. It wasn't clear to me whether the relaxing removed the tag. If I had to bet, I'd certainly say he was out, but I didn't see clear and convincing evidence in my replay so I hoped they would defer to the umpire.

Frayed Knot Sep 06 2014 08:35 PM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Trachsel My Tears wrote: If the Mets had picked off 3B the tying run in the 9th on a review call, I doubt this messageboard would be begrudging of an instant of wasted time, somehow. Not calling it a waste of time and I'm not talking about it simply because the ruling went agains the Mets. In fact I admitted that it was the correct call as the rules are being enforced as of this season. I'm merely saying that I KNOW this kind of call is NOT what replay proponents envisioned when the rule was argued for and implemented but that once you open that box there's no way keep this type of play from being included in the reviews. The league and the fans just have to decide whether the occasionally corrected obvious botched call (the ones that got replay implemented in the first place) is worth all the delays and/or overturns of calls that virtually no one would have objected to a year ago. And as I type this the final out of the Angels/Twins game is delayed for 2 or 3 minutes while the office back in NYC decides whether the final out was really the final out (it was).

Trachsel My Tears Sep 07 2014 05:24 AM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Frayed Knot wrote: Trachsel My Tears wrote: If the Mets had picked off 3B the tying run in the 9th on a review call, I doubt this messageboard would be begrudging of an instant of wasted time, somehow. Not calling it a waste of time and I'm not talking about it simply because the ruling went agains the Mets. In fact I admitted that it was the correct call as the rules are being enforced as of this season. I'm merely saying that I KNOW this kind of call is NOT what replay proponents envisioned when the rule was argued for and implemented but that once you open that box there's no way keep this type of play from being included in the reviews. The league and the fans just have to decide whether the occasionally corrected obvious botched call (the ones that got replay implemented in the first place) is worth all the delays and/or overturns of calls that virtually no one would have objected to a year ago. And as I type this the final out of the Angels/Twins game is delayed for 2 or 3 minutes while the office back in NYC decides whether the final out was really the final out (it was). I disagree with what you know, or in this case, what you KNOW. In my view, the rule is there to overrule ANY umpire's judgment call (on particular types of plays, including whether baserunners have been tagged properly) if there is clear evidence that the ump missed something in the moment, which yesterday's 3B base ump plainly did. With all the unnecessary time delays (does Wright REALLY need to adjust his batting gloves and sniff the sweat dripping down his sternum between EVERY pitch?) the few minutes devoted to getting a game-deciding call right seems like a very minor thing to me.

Frayed Knot Sep 07 2014 05:54 AM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

You're talking about what the rule IS - and on that note the umps* had no choice but to overturn yesterday's call. What I'm talking about what folks had in mind when they supported the implementation of replay and I'm sure that it was not the intent of most to stop the game for 1, 2, or maybe 5 minutes while evidence was microscopically examined off site to determine whether or not a slider's spikes lost contact with the base for a split-second, or whether a throw had settled into the mitt as the runner hit the base or was still just within the air space of the glove at that moment. If the league and fans think that the whole of the relay rule is a net positive then fine; they're just going to have to realize that they can't have it halfway. * or whoever's making these calls in their NY studio - the league is being very UNtransparent about this

Trachsel My Tears Sep 07 2014 06:29 AM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

Frayed Knot wrote: I'm sure that it was not the intent of most You seem very sure of things (or to "KNOW" a lot of things) that I'm not at all sure of, or don't KNOW to be factual. If at the time of adoption, you had asked someone (like the Commissioner) an absurdly specific question like "In an attempted steal where the runner is called safe, but his position and the fielder's position block the umpire's view of the runner coming off the base briefly while the fielder's glove with the ball in it is still firmly touching (but not with excessive force) the runner's body, and the camera clearly shows a moment when the runner's foot is off the base while the glove is on him, would this be included among the plays that this new rule is intended to cover?" , I think the answer would have been "Yes," despite your sureness and your knowledge to the contrary.

Frayed Knot Sep 07 2014 07:26 AM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

If at the time of adoption, you had asked someone (like the Commissioner) an absurdly specific question like "In an attempted steal where the runner is called safe, but his position and the fielder's position block the umpire's view of the runner coming off the base briefly while the fielder's glove with the ball in it is still firmly touching (but not with excessive force) the runner's body, and the camera clearly shows a moment when the runner's foot is off the base while the glove is on him, would this be included among the plays that this new rule is intended to cover?" , I think the answer would have been "Yes," And I'm SURE his answer would have been "Yes" (at least to the degree that any of us can be sure of such things) My point is that I don't believe most fans & media types who were replay proponents even thought of such conditions when arguing for its adoption because they were too hung up on the grail of correcting obvious goofs. I agree that they SHOULD have seen what was to come, but based on the number of comments we're hearing in this first year of the rule along the lines of: 'well yeah, I was for replay but I didn't think it was going to work like this', I think far too many failed to realize that the concept of limited replay is like trying to stay only slightly pregnant.

Trachsel My Tears Sep 07 2014 07:48 AM Re: Better Dead than Red IGT 9/6/14

We agree completely that many fans were unclear in their expectations.