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Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

d'Kong76 Sep 07 2014 08:59 AM

J E T S Jets, Jets, errr.... NY Mets at Cincinnati When: 1:10 PM ET, Sunday, September 7, 2014 Where: Great American Ball Park, Cincinnati, Ohio SportsDirect Inc. Todd Frazier looks to complete a stellar series and help the Cincinnati Reds win the rubber match of the three-game set against the visiting New York Mets on Sunday. The 28-year-old followed a pair of 0-for-4 performances versus Baltimore by going 5-for-8 with home runs in each contest against New York. Cincinnati has won just two of its last eight contests and 16 of 47 since the All-Star break while the Mets saw their three-game winning streak come to an end. Travis d'Arnaud continued his torrid streak with a pair of doubles and is 11-for-20 with five runs scored and five RBIs during the road trip. Wilmer Flores hasn't done too badly for himself by going 11-for-28 with six runs scored during his seven-game hitting streak and rookie Dilson Herrera is having quite a nice series too. The youngest player in the majors, the 20-year-old Herrera homered among his three hits in the Mets' 14-5 win on Friday and had an RBI single in Saturday's 2-1 setback. TV: 1:10 p.m. ET, SNY (New York) PITCHING MATCHUP: Mets RH Zack Wheeler (9-9, 3.45 ERA) vs. Reds RH Mat Latos (5-5, 3.46) Wheeler was blitzed for five runs (two earned) on five hits in 4 2/3 innings, but walked away with a no-decision versus Miami on Monday. The 24-year-old wasn't helped by his mates in the field, with two of his team's six errors leading to three unearned runs. Wheeler has struggled with his control, issuing multiple walks in 15 of his last 17 outings. Latos suffered his first loss since July 27 after yielding five runs on 10 hits in five innings Tuesday versus Baltimore. The 26-year-old has struggled with the long ball, giving up three homers in his last two starts and five in six outings after permitting just three in his initial nine to start the season. Latos fell to 2-2 in his career against New York despite permitting one run on four hits in seven innings in his last meeting. WALK-OFFS: 1. Cincinnati manager Bryan Price intends to play 1B Joey Votto when he's fully healed from a left distal quad strain - even if the team is eliminated from postseason contention. 2. New York 3B David Wright is 11-for-27 with seven RBIs in his last six games. 3. Reds OF Chris Heisey, who belted the go-ahead homer on Saturday, is 2-for-2 with two runs scored in the series.

Ashie62 Sep 07 2014 09:15 AM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Juan Lagares, cf Kirk Nieuwenhuis, lf David Wright, 3b Lucas Duda, 1b Wilmer Flores, ss Curtis Granderson, rf Dilson Herrera, 2b Anthony Recker, c Zack Wheeler, rhp Billy Hamilton, cf Skip Schumaker, lf Todd Frazier, 3b Devin Mesoraco, c Brandon Phillips, 2b Jay Bruce, rf Jack Hannahan, 1b Zack Cozart, ss Mat Latos, rhp

Frayed Knot Sep 07 2014 11:06 AM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Let's knock a few of Latos's tattoos off.

Trachsel My Tears Sep 07 2014 11:49 AM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

On that DP just now, did it look to anyone else that Phillips (the runner on 1B) just hit the dirt halfway to 2B to avoid getting hit with the ball? What the hell kind of a play is that?

Ashie62 Sep 07 2014 12:33 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Feels like am also ran game today.

Zvon Sep 07 2014 12:35 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Trachsel My Tears wrote: On that DP just now, did it look to anyone else that Phillips (the runner on 1B) just hit the dirt halfway to 2B to avoid getting hit with the ball? What the hell kind of a play is that? I did see that. He was a blobby blur, almost looked like he was sliding midway. My thought was he should have been further along. Yea, that's new age bullshit baseball. Like going hard into second would be a rude thing to do. Really nice DP just now started by Wheeler. That was precision work.

bmfc1 Sep 07 2014 12:48 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Abreu is getting called up. What is the purpose of giving him any ABs at this point in the season? Since 40-Man roster is so precious, how can they find a spot for Abreu but not for Matt Reynolds who earned a callup.

Zvon Sep 07 2014 12:58 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

bmfc1 wrote: Abreu is getting called up. What is the purpose of giving him any ABs at this point in the season? Since 40-Man roster is so precious, how can they find a spot for Abreu but not for Matt Reynolds who earned a callup. Moves like these really confuse me with this team. I mean, wtf? Wheeler trying to navigate thru the 5th. After getting the first 2 outs he gives up 3 singles in a row. 1-0 Cin. Zack ends up K'n the side.

Edgy MD Sep 07 2014 01:04 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Vaunted Reds radio team. I'm not hearing it.

Zvon Sep 07 2014 01:05 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

OH! Hamilton sucks. That'll cost him the ROY.

Edgy MD Sep 07 2014 01:07 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

No matter how the RoY race breaks, would any of y'all trade deGrom for Hamilton? Trade Walker for Hamilton?

Trachsel My Tears Sep 07 2014 01:08 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Really lousy baserunning, as the Mets score anyway. Granderson misses first base, and the play before Wilmer takes his time on a flyout to center, and when Hamilton drops it, he turns on the jets. Prolly doesn't matter, he wouldn't have made third, but he needs to be hustling down the line until the ball is, what do they call it?, caught.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 07 2014 01:09 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Wrecker.

Zvon Sep 07 2014 01:09 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

RECKED!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edgy MD Sep 07 2014 01:10 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

That's one .200 hitter that has some dramatic punch. I don't like Latos' motion. He does some herky-jerky grab-and-regrab stuff with the ball in his glove. It feels false-starty.

Zvon Sep 07 2014 01:11 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Haha, errors can prove to be fatal.

Edgy MD Sep 07 2014 01:44 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Maybe Wheeler's going to be the Sid Fernandez of this staff --- the guy who is as good as anybody else in the rotation, but doesn't go as deep. Keith loves to make fun of dancing bears.

Edgy MD Sep 07 2014 01:53 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Curtis turns that dropped popup into a four-base error.

Zvon Sep 07 2014 01:53 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Edgy MD wrote: Maybe Wheeler's going to be the Sid Fernandez of this sttaff --- the guy who is as good as anybody else in the rotation, but doesn't go as deep. I really thought that one day during his time with the Mets Sid would harness his shit for a game and get our first no-hitter. I had no doubt he would do this in the late 80s (unless Gooden beat him out). Haha, jeeeeze, Hanahan sucks. CURRRRRBOOM!

Edgy MD Sep 07 2014 02:07 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

The Reds just got... FAMILIARIZED.

Edgy MD Sep 07 2014 02:12 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Steal another, Juanito.

Edgy MD Sep 07 2014 02:18 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Tack it on, Metsie, tack it on!

Edgy MD Sep 07 2014 02:22 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Wilmer vs. the lefty with the bezzes loaded. I'm excited.

Edgy MD Sep 07 2014 02:23 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Ugga. Turned him over.

Zvon Sep 07 2014 02:26 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Edgy MD wrote: Ugga. Turned him over. Lazy feets. Not that anyone was going to beat that out.

Zvon Sep 07 2014 02:31 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Today is not the day to pitch like shit, Mejiason. Hr and double, no out, 4-2 Mets. 1 out now.

Edgy MD Sep 07 2014 02:33 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Mejia's slider is so hard to hit, I think he follows it up with weak-assed shit just out of boredom.

Zvon Sep 07 2014 02:33 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

4-3 Fuck. I'd pull Mejia. Ugh, no one up, great.

Edgy MD Sep 07 2014 02:37 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Put in Lockwood!

Edgy MD Sep 07 2014 02:39 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Not a fan of the infield fly rule. It would take an exceptional effort to turn two on that ball if it dropped in.

Zvon Sep 07 2014 02:41 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Whew. It will be reviewed. Ew, and he was safe.

Zvon Sep 07 2014 02:42 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Mejia lookin' like a fool with his premature dirty dancin'.

Edgy MD Sep 07 2014 02:43 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

I'm not sure C& C is there, but man.

Zvon Sep 07 2014 02:44 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Reversed. Oh shit, this is not going to go well, is it?

Edgy MD Sep 07 2014 02:44 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Ugh. Five yards on Mejia for premature celebration.

Edgy MD Sep 07 2014 02:46 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Delayed bliss!

Frayed Knot Sep 07 2014 02:46 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 07 2014 08:05 PM

Do we get two wins from that game since we had to win it twice?

Edgy MD Sep 07 2014 02:47 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

I guess being handed a three-run lead and ending it with two runs scoring and the bases loaded is the minimum standard for a save. Well, being handed a three-run lead and two outs and ending it with two runs scoring and the bases loaded is the minimum standard for a save, but still.

Zvon Sep 07 2014 02:49 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Holy crow. GJ getting out of that by Mejia. What kind of player could Mejia net us? Cause I think he should be a front running trade chip. If we can get something worth it we can slide Familia right in the closers slot. And BOOKS!

Edgy MD Sep 07 2014 02:54 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

He certainly could draw interest, but I'm not about depleting pitching until the offer is awesome. Better idea to me is to increase Familia's profile and allow two-inning saves from both guys, as needed, and go with the hot hand, as warranted.

Zvon Sep 07 2014 03:14 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Edgy MD wrote: He certainly could draw interest, but I'm not about depleting pitching until the offer is awesome. Better idea to me is to increase Familia's profile and allow two-inning saves from both guys, as needed, and go with the hot hand, as warranted. I would have been fine with TC trying Familia for 2 today. Don't mind me. I'm going to pile up bodies for trade and try and keep mahmanMurphy hidden underneath. Keep Newy but denDekker,....he's gotta be worth something.

Trachsel My Tears Sep 07 2014 03:58 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Two straight days a crucial review has gone against the Mets, and two straight days I thought, "Well, at least they got it right." I really don't see a downside here, except for the Mets these past two games, and the second one worked out anyway.

Frayed Knot Sep 07 2014 04:18 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Zvon wrote: bmfc1 wrote: Abreu is getting called up. What is the purpose of giving him any ABs at this point in the season? Since 40-Man roster is so precious, how can they find a spot for Abreu but not for Matt Reynolds who earned a callup. Moves like these really confuse me with this team. I mean, wtf? It may be precisely because of the 40-man that it's Abreu. If Reynolds doesn't need to be protected this winter (I'm not sure one way or the other) then bringing him up now means you'd have to protect him or risk losing him and then that's one fewer slot to protect a guy who might need it. Abreu's not going to be kept past this season so it doesn't matter what you do with him. He'll just be an extra LH PH off the bench (if he starts with MdD and Kirk up here then that's on Terry, not Sandy) and get removed from the roster three weeks from now. NBD here IMO.

Edgy MD Sep 07 2014 04:57 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Yeah, given the choice of two guys who aren't going to play much, you certainly want to add guys who you either don't mind leaving unprotected over the winter, or who will be free agents anyhow. Alvarez and Herrera were guys they were going to have to add anyhow.

bmfc1 Sep 07 2014 05:33 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

I strongly disagree.

Frayed Knot Sep 07 2014 06:10 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Disagree with which part? Reynolds was just drafted/signed two years ago which means he can be kept off the 40-man this winter and still be safe from poaching. If he were to be brought up now he'd have to be added to the 40 first which translates to one fewer guy this winter who can be protected, or it means that Reynolds himself would have to be removed from the 40 which exposes to waivers and/or the Rule 5 draft. How is any of that worth seeing him play 3rd string SS plus PH occasionally for three weeks, or take away starts from the guy they're already trying out at that position? Abreu simply gets a handful of PH ABs then gets cut at the end of the season, no muss no fuss.

bmfc1 Sep 07 2014 06:17 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Thanks for the explanation.

Frayed Knot Sep 07 2014 06:26 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Seems odd at first glance that a guy like Herrera needs protection where Reynolds doesn't even though he's nearly four years older, but when you sign 'em early you have to protect 'em early and the teenage contracts that many of the Caribbean kids get means their time comes up sooner, particularly as compared to college draftees (U-Ark) like Reynolds.

Zvon Sep 07 2014 08:23 PM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Frayed Knot wrote: Zvon wrote: bmfc1 wrote: Abreu is getting called up. What is the purpose of giving him any ABs at this point in the season? Since 40-Man roster is so precious, how can they find a spot for Abreu but not for Matt Reynolds who earned a callup. Moves like these really confuse me with this team. I mean, wtf? It may be precisely because of the 40-man that it's Abreu. If Reynolds doesn't need to be protected this winter (I'm not sure one way or the other) then bringing him up now means you'd have to protect him or risk losing him and then that's one fewer slot to protect a guy who might need it. Abreu's not going to be kept past this season so it doesn't matter what you do with him. He'll just be an extra LH PH off the bench (if he starts with MdD and Kirk up here then that's on Terry, not Sandy) and get removed from the roster three weeks from now. NBD here IMO. All that and above makes sense. I imagine his presence can't hurt the bench. But even pinch hitting he better be 3rd string.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 08 2014 07:56 AM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

One of my pet peeves is how "closers" don't get removed from a game until after they've blown a save. Mejia was clearly struggling yesterday, and Terry didn't even have anyone warming up in the pen. (And as far as I know, he still didn't have anyone starting to throw during the replay review delay.) I was ready to call Cincinnati and fire Terry on the spot, but I'm not sure I have that power. I hope, if the Mets do fire him, they'll pick someone who's at least willing to buck this strange orthodoxy.

Trachsel My Tears Sep 08 2014 08:00 AM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Well, the logic is (and it's hard to argue with, given the results yesterday) that Mejia is better than anyone else you got, and you've got to give him the chance to demonstrate that, even on an off-day, he's your guy. In a closer spot, that means giving him the chance to blow the game, hence no reason to have someone warming up. Once he's demonstrated that he just doesn't have it today, the game has already been lost.

Frayed Knot Sep 08 2014 08:54 AM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

The whole problem was, of course, set-up by the tradition that dictates yanking Familia even after he tosses a 3-K/14-pitch 8th (and was NOT PH'd for). Once you make that switch, you've got limited (and presumably worse) options if/when Mejia does get into trouble. And then, even as Mejia got into all kinds of trouble in the 9th, he's probably the best (remaining) bet to finish the inning as he did: Pop-up, weak IF single, K

Ceetar Sep 08 2014 09:01 AM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

I mean, you don't yank your starter when he gets into trouble in the third inning. If you don't think the guy can get the job done, don't bring him in. Not a lot of benefit to second guessing your players three batters in.

Edgy MD Sep 08 2014 10:28 AM Re: Anywho, IGT 09/07 -- Metropolitans at Redlegs

Plenty of starters get yanked in the third inning. And plenty more relievers get yanked after one, two, or three batters demonstrating that they're not particularly effective that day. Plenty of them go in with other guys warming up right behind them, just in case they don't get it done. This doesn't happen to designated closers, and some of us wonder if that's the wise way to go. My position is that the one-inning closer standard is a poor use of resources.