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See you in April David

Frayed Knot Sep 09 2014 08:15 PM

Sept 9, 9:54 pm: David Wright will not play for the remainder of the 2014 season, the team announced late Tuesday. “He will, instead, rest to abate the inflammation in the rotator cuff, and then begin a rehabilitation program to strengthen the entire shoulder,” the statement said. Wright was seen today by doctors at the Hospital for Special Surgery in Manhattan on Tuesday. He underwent an MRI, which showed persistent inflammation in the rotator cuff in the left shoulder. Wright may undergo additional testing later this week.

Trachsel My Tears Sep 09 2014 08:16 PM Re: See you in April David

It ain't testicles and hyenas, but it will give Herrera a chance to play for the next two weeks.

Ashie62 Sep 09 2014 08:54 PM Re: See you in April David

I pray that he can avoid surgery.

Edgy MD Sep 09 2014 09:02 PM Re: See you in April David

Don't like it. I don't know a lot, but the report suggests to me that he's diminished, not disabled. I'd keep him around as a bench player.

Zvon Sep 09 2014 10:44 PM Re: See you in April David

This sucks but if it brings us back a Wright that can pop a good 25 HRs in 2015 then it's worth it. Torn about this talk of Murph taking 3rd and Herrera 2nd here on out. Only cause I want to see Dilson at SS a bit. Don't want this muddying those waters.

Edgy MD Sep 10 2014 05:41 AM Re: See you in April David

i'm dubious that shutting him down vs. keeping him nominally actives is the difference-maker with regard to his health in 2015.

Lefty Specialist Sep 10 2014 05:41 AM Re: See you in April David

But I wonder if this is just 'inflammation'. I would hope that they go a little more in depth on this one, because I wouldn't be at all surprised if this needs surgery. And if it does, well, let's get cracking. Sandy was just a little too 'take two aspirins and call me in six months' about the whole thing.

Edgy MD Sep 10 2014 05:52 AM Re: See you in April David

Sure it could be something far more grave. I'm taking "persistent inflammation in his non-throwing shoulder" at face value. Even if there's suspicion of something more serious, though, I see no reason to not keep him active, even if he doesn't appear again. And then when the Mets reach game seven, he can limp out for one symbolic appearance a la Willis Reed. CAPTAINS CAN DO THAT!

Frayed Knot Sep 10 2014 05:57 AM Re: See you in April David

Even if there's suspicion of something more serious, though, I see no reason to not keep him active, even if he doesn't appear again. Well, I guess technically he's not INactive as in on the DL or anything. 'Shut down' in this case is more akin to not intending to play him as opposed to can't. BUT ... "doctors told [Wright] it is likely he can avoid surgery and he is confident he can return to his usual form next season ... but doctors emphasized that playing further could risk structural damage to the shoulder." http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... z3CufJNNYP

Edgy MD Sep 10 2014 06:05 AM Re: See you in April David

Well, I guess that's reason enough for the bubble wrap. Still don't like announcing it, though.

Frayed Knot Sep 10 2014 06:09 AM Re: See you in April David

Edgy MD wrote: Still don't like announcing it, though. To them I guess it beats answering; "no, not today" every day for the next 17.

MFS62 Sep 10 2014 08:09 AM Re: See you in April David

Reminds me of the old days when arm surgery was not a sure thing. They would put a pitcher mid year on the DL to "rest it to see if it gets better". Of course, most of them didn't get better. So, the following spring training, they would realize they should have operated the prior year. So they would operate, and the pitcher (and the team) lost another full year of production. Arm surgery isn't as risky these days, but shoulder surgeries are more complicated than elbows. But with the improved diagnostic techniques available these days (CAT, MRI) the Doctors should be able to more accurately predict the outcomes. (As you know, I'm not a Doctor. But my Mother always wanted me to become one.) Later

Centerfield Sep 10 2014 08:17 AM Re: See you in April David

I'm going to disagree with Edgy here. Not only do I think this is a no-brainer, I think this should have been done months ago. It is one thing to try to play through the pain when he initially hurt it, it is another to keep trying after he aggravated it further. He should have been placed on the DL in June to allow the inflammation to calm down. I am glad to hear that surgery is not likely, but where there is any chance of this, the Mets should have been cautious. The Mets were never really in a pennant race, and whatever hope there may have been, it has been several weeks since that fairy tale was even entertained. I can't understand why it took this long. Sandy is right, David acted like a captain. I don't blame him at all. The ones that dropped the ball were Sandy, the owners, and management (let's be honest, it's most likely the owners). They needed to be the adults in the room and were not. This, unfortunately, is not surprising. Now let's stop being foolish and shut down the closer that is trying to pitch through a hernia before he blows out his arm.

Trachsel My Tears Sep 10 2014 08:30 AM Re: See you in April David

Centerfield wrote: shut down the closer that is trying to pitch through a hernia before he blows out his arm. It's a bifurcated testicle. Yeah, in retrospect, the time to shut Wright down is not September 9. More like August 9 or July 9. But they may have sold a few extra tickets in those two months.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 10 2014 08:47 AM Re: See you in April David

Centerfield wrote: He should have been placed on the DL in June to allow the inflammation to calm down.... The best thing for the Mets would've been not to re-sign Wright in the first place. If you can get over your emotional attachment to him, the Mets were farther away from anything in 2012 than they are now. The team's so financially crippled that their payroll is in the low $80M's. So why the hell would they invest about 25% of their entire load on one past his prime and on the wrong side of 30 player? Sandy Alderson could probably plug three holes with the money the Mets are spending on Wright.

Ceetar Sep 10 2014 08:51 AM Re: See you in April David

Trachsel My Tears wrote: Centerfield wrote: shut down the closer that is trying to pitch through a hernia before he blows out his arm. It's a bifurcated testicle. Yeah, in retrospect, the time to shut Wright down is not September 9. More like August 9 or July 9. But they may have sold a few extra tickets in those two months. I doubt they sold a few extra tickets. I mean, it's not like Wright was having a powerhouse year anyway. He's played through this injury pretty much all year. Sure, it didn't heal but it's not like it was eminently going to explode. That's just not really how baseball teams generally operate. You could shut down everyone for every little nick and bruise, but then you'd have no players.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 10 2014 08:54 AM Re: See you in April David

Ceetar wrote: You could shut down everyone for every little nick and bruise, but then you'd have no players. Or you could spend $20M of your $80M+ allowance on one player. That'll leave you with about $60M to assemble the rest of the 24 guys on the roster.

Ceetar Sep 10 2014 08:58 AM Re: See you in April David

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Ceetar wrote: You could shut down everyone for every little nick and bruise, but then you'd have no players. Or you could spend $20M of your $80M+ allowance on one player. That'll leave you with about $60M to assemble the rest of the 24 guys on the roster. Or you could stop projecting Mets payroll like anyone has any clue what it's going to be.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 10 2014 09:04 AM Re: See you in April David

Ceetar wrote: Ceetar wrote: You could shut down everyone for every little nick and bruise, but then you'd have no players. Or you could spend $20M of your $80M+ allowance on one player. That'll leave you with about $60M to assemble the rest of the 24 guys on the roster. Or you could stop projecting Mets payroll like anyone has any clue what it's going to be. I many not know what precisely the Mets 2015 opening day payroll will be, but I think I've got plenty of clues to guide my thinking. What I do now is what the Mets payroll was during the first two years of Wright's new contract. And I can tell you for sure that given how broke the Mets were, and how bad they were, and how far away from contention they were -- Wright's contract makes little sense.

Ceetar Sep 10 2014 09:09 AM Re: See you in April David

And if you don't sign him you're even farther from contention,both in the past few seasons and likely the window to become competitive again. The Mets only need next year to make the playoffs is offense and they have a top-flight 3Bman under contract. I'm glad for that.

Edgy MD Sep 10 2014 09:14 AM Re: See you in April David

And the scoreboard. Don't forget the scoreboard.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 10 2014 09:18 AM Re: See you in April David

Ceetar wrote: And if you don't sign him you're even farther from contention You think it matters between finishing 15 or 20 games out? And between the two, I'd prefer a 20 games out finish. (Draft pick)

batmagadanleadoff Sep 10 2014 09:20 AM Re: See you in April David

Edgy MD wrote: And the scoreboard. Don't forget the scoreboard. We shall never forget the ugliest ... scoreboards ... in baseball ... baseball ... baseball.

Ceetar Sep 10 2014 09:21 AM Re: See you in April David

batmagadanleadoff wrote: And if you don't sign him you're even farther from contention You think it matters between finishing 15 or 20 games out? And between the two, I'd prefer a 20 games out finish. (Draft pick) batmagadanleadoff wrote: And if you don't sign him you're even farther from contention yes. When teams try to go from 70 wins to contention it's proclaimed to be too big a jump. 77 to contention is more believable. Also, already having one more solid player generally means you're closer. fuck a pick that may or may not help in 2020. The savings of already having David Wright versus having to pay to acquire that production more than makes up for the value added by moving up 5 spots in the draft order.

Edgy MD Sep 10 2014 09:24 AM Re: See you in April David

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Ceetar wrote: And if you don't sign him you're even farther from contention You think it matters between finishing 15 or 20 games out? And between the two, I'd prefer a 20 games out finish. (Draft pick) Plenty of 20-games-out teams out there to pick from. Diamondbacks, perhaps.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 10 2014 10:35 AM Re: See you in April David

Edgy MD wrote: i'm dubious that shutting him down vs. keeping him nominally actives is the difference-maker with regard to his health in 2015. It's not necessarily inconsequential, though. The sooner he starts resting, the sooner he sees whether out-and-out rest helps; should more serious intervention be involved, it saves potentially-significant time on the back end (time that's probably worth more than two weeks of pinch-hitting).

Edgy MD Sep 10 2014 10:44 AM Re: See you in April David

Well, I guess, but the "nominally active" I present is meant to alternatively suggest "mostly restive."

d'Kong76 Sep 10 2014 10:58 AM Re: See you in April David

Shutting him down for the rest of the season beats a press conference tonight with him in sling saying it's been barking all year and I tried to play through it but when I swung I heard this pop and I can barely lift my arm. We'll go for an mri to- morrow and let the good doctors see what going on in there now and hope surgery isn't necessary. Sheesh, it's like fifteen games people!

Ceetar Sep 10 2014 11:02 AM Re: See you in April David

d'Kong76 wrote: Shutting him down for the rest of the season beats a press conference tonight with him in sling saying it's been barking all year and I tried to play through it but when I swung I heard this pop and I can barely lift my arm. We'll go for an mri to- morrow and let the good doctors see what going on in there now and hope surgery isn't necessary. Sheesh, it's like fifteen games people! well, that first probably wasn't a likely risk as he's been playing with it for a while. the timetable is probably such that he has exactly enough time to recover from surgery if rehab don't work.

d'Kong76 Sep 10 2014 11:13 AM Re: See you in April David

Just sayin'. What if he hurt it sliding or diving to rob a double or falling into the stands or tripping over the shortstop on a foul ball catch? Everyone would be second guessing why was he allowed to be out there playing hurt when the games are somewhat meaningless.

Ceetar Sep 10 2014 11:26 AM Re: See you in April David

d'Kong76 wrote: Just sayin'. What if he hurt it sliding or diving to rob a double or falling into the stands or tripping over the shortstop on a foul ball catch? Everyone would be second guessing why was he allowed to be out there playing hurt when the games are somewhat meaningless. What if he trips on the curb going to get his Starbucks?

Edgy MD Sep 10 2014 11:31 AM Re: See you in April David

Folks are already second guessing why he had been playing at all. There's no avoiding that. All games are meaningless save for the meaning we invest in them. Yes, he could get hurt. Even in one or two potential ephemeral appearances; though without this official announcement that his season is over, he might not even get those. It's the nature of the game. But the purpose of the game is still to win. And teams seem way too cautious protecting players in the present for a future that may never come. You don't want to get caught up in a race to quit. But if there's real danger of him worsening his condition, there's real danger and I understand that. I certainly haven't examined him. It just seemed to me that "persistent inflammation of the non-throwing shoulder" after two trips to the HfSS means we have no explicit diagnosis of an actual injury, just a description of symptoms.

d'Kong76 Sep 10 2014 11:46 AM Re: See you in April David

Ceetar wrote: What if he trips on the curb going to get his Starbucks? Off-the-field injuries not incidental to the game of baseball don't count in this discussion. So there.

Ashie62 Sep 10 2014 12:34 PM Re: See you in April David

d'Kong76 wrote: Ceetar wrote: What if he trips on the curb going to get his Starbucks? Off-the-field injuries not incidental to the game of baseball don't count in this discussion. So there. Case closed. Points KC

Ashie62 Sep 10 2014 12:37 PM Re: See you in April David

d'Kong76 wrote: Shutting him down for the rest of the season beats a press conference tonight with him in sling saying it's been barking all year and I tried to play through it but when I swung I heard this pop and I can barely lift my arm. We'll go for an mri to- morrow and let the good doctors see what going on in there now and hope surgery isn't necessary. Sheesh, it's like fifteen games people! This seems painfully obvious. Safety first.

Edgy MD Sep 10 2014 01:10 PM Re: See you in April David

Safety first, and what comes second? How much risk aversion is too much? How much is enough? Shutting him down vs. an arm injury is certainly a false choice. It's framing the worst-case-scenario as the definitive alternative outcome.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 10 2014 01:15 PM Re: See you in April David

I don't know this for sure, but I'd guess that DW would not sign on for Operation Shutdown unless he felt as though his game and his ability to recover was compromised in some way by his condition at the very moment he shut it down.

d'Kong76 Sep 10 2014 01:19 PM Re: See you in April David

Edgy MD wrote: Safety first, and what comes second? How much risk aversion is too much? How much is enough? Shutting him down vs. an arm injury is certainly a false choice. It's framing the worst-case-scenario as the definitive alternative outcome. He's clearly injured. Why is this bugging you so?

Edgy MD Sep 10 2014 02:21 PM Re: See you in April David

Well, if he's clearly injured, then he's clearly injured. I don't think I'm particularly bugged, so much as questioning a prevailing philosophy that's growing more entrenched. If he's merely hurting, but they want to be extra cautious to protect long-term considerations, I tend to think too many decisions fall that way. It's too often about covering one's ass, in case things go way south in the future, so all decisions are made to allow things to go a little bit south in the present, but those things add up. Pulling deGrom last night, for instance. He had thrown but 100 pitches and retired 14 straight. Mejia had been pouring gas on the last handful of games had entered. So then I ask, "How much caution is too much caution? How much is enough?"

Ashie62 Sep 10 2014 06:40 PM Re: See you in April David

Our most valuable asset is injured. We are not going to the playoffs. I'm thinking risk/reward here and look to insure and help him to be most able to return to form in 2015. I believe you see this as a larger issue but I don't understand your argument Edgy.

Edgy MD Sep 10 2014 07:38 PM Re: See you in April David

There's no disabled list assignment. So let the drama play out and let teams fear that he may be lurking. I love baseball, man, and I think the pressure to tell everybody your lineup plans weeks in advance is silly. Embrace the mystery, even if he stays glued to the bench. Aside from that, I'll say no more.

Ashie62 Sep 10 2014 07:53 PM Re: See you in April David

Gotcha and I understand. Be well.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 11 2014 08:51 AM Re: See you in April David

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Centerfield wrote: He should have been placed on the DL in June to allow the inflammation to calm down.... The best thing for the Mets would've been not to re-sign Wright in the first place. If you can get over your emotional attachment to him, the Mets were farther away from anything in 2012 than they are now. The team's so financially crippled that their payroll is in the low $80M's. So why the hell would they invest about 25% of their entire load on one past his prime and on the wrong side of 30 player? Sandy Alderson could probably plug three holes with the money the Mets are spending on Wright. Plus, if they traded him, there might be some minor league hitting stud ready to produce for the big club right about now ... some prospect about 10 years younger than Wright.

Lefty Specialist Sep 11 2014 09:23 AM Re: See you in April David

Perhaps, but remember the outcry when they let Reyes walk? Multiply that by 10 and you'd get the outcry if they'd allowed David to walk a year later. He was the most identifiable Met, and there would have been a revolt. And what if Sandy Alderson used that salary to plug 3 holes with 3 Chris Youngs?

batmagadanleadoff Sep 11 2014 10:06 AM Re: See you in April David

Lefty Specialist wrote: Perhaps, but remember the outcry when they let Reyes walk? Multiply that by 10 and you'd get the outcry if they'd allowed David to walk a year later. He was the most identifiable Met, and there would have been a revolt. And what if Sandy Alderson used that salary to plug 3 holes with 3 Chris Youngs? I know exactly what you mean. In fact, I think that that, more than anything else, is why Wright was re-signed -- because the Wilpons didn't have the stomach for the shitstorm that would've ensued, instead opting for a half assed, half measured rebuild. I'd bet anything that Sandy would've preferred trading Wright. Maybe with an extra $20M to spend, CYpung wouldn't have been the option chosen.

Lefty Specialist Sep 11 2014 11:55 AM Re: See you in April David

Wright had said all along he wanted to be a Met for life. To trade him or let him walk would have been a PR disaster of epic proportions. Imagine how hard it would have been for Leigh Castergine to sell tickets in that poisonous atmosphere.

Vic Sage Sep 11 2014 03:23 PM Re: See you in April David

every team is entitled to one "wtf" contract, and to use it on the best offensive player in the team's history, a team leader and captain who exemplifies all that is good about the game, is not the worst idea in the world.

Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 11 2014 04:08 PM Re: See you in April David

I have no problem with re-signing Wright. And compared to what other teams are paying for lesser players like Choo, I'm not even sure it's a bad deal. Wright was the face of the franchise, and hopefully the team knew that people are still traumatized, or at least really, really pissed off, that Tom Seaver was traded. It wasn't going to make a mistake like that again, especially after Reyes left.

Ceetar Sep 12 2014 09:17 AM Re: See you in April David

Personally I suspect we'll "See" David in February when Spring Training opens up.