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Mets Guy in Michigan
Sep 10 2014 11:29 AM

Had a chance to listen to most of it in the car today. I like it better than the last CD.

U2 seems to go through periods where it gets crushed under the weight of its seriousness. Then it seems to remember that it's fun and accessible -- and probably more profitable -- to put our a CD with songs that people actually like.

So this is the fun part of the cycle, like "All That You Leave Behind" was.

I like the free part, a lot. Good promotion by Apple. It sure kept that under wraps!

HahnSolo
Sep 10 2014 11:46 AM
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The rumors leading up were that the album would be loaded for free for buyers of the new iPhone, not for everyone who had an iTunes account. So that was some good news yesterday. Free is good!

I'm listening at the office now and I agree there's some good stuff here; a quite introspective record I think.
Danger Mouse is the producer and although I don't sense too much Danger-Mouse-ness, I agree it is very accessible (we'll disagree about the last album; I think it was very underrated. Not a commercial success, but I find myself going back to listen to it a lot.)

I'm not sure there's a "Beautiful Day" or "Vertigo" to blast onto airwaves everywhere and become their latest anthem, but I think U2 fans--like Mama Solo--will be pretty happy with this.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Sep 10 2014 12:37 PM
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Interesting that you liked "Horizon." I just couldn't get into it, outside of "Magnificent," which I love.

On the new album, was surprised by the Joey Ramone reference!

Edgy MD
Sep 10 2014 02:55 PM
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Wayne, in Wayne's World 2, described Frampton Comes Alive as so ubiquitous that "If you lived in the suburbs, you were issued it. It came in the mail with samples of Tide."

It seems like, thanks to iTunes, this is sort of precisely what has happened with U2's new album. Great! ... and kinda creepy. There's almost certainly gonna be a backlash.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Sep 10 2014 03:13 PM
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I think it shows how much the music industry has changed, too.

This isn't an quasi-unknown giving out free downloads of one song to Starbucks customers. Or people with devoted followings like Bruce Hornsby making concert recordings available for free on his website. This is what some can consider to be one of the biggest bands in the works giving away what would be a highly anticipated album for free.

I'd guess a couple things were at play:

-- Apple must have given the band enough money to recoup what the band thinks it would have earned through traditional sales.
-- U2 must have thought the accompanying publicity and buzz would compensate for the lack of traditional sales.
-- The publicity and buzz and Apple tie-ins will help U2 sell tickets for another stadium tour, which I'm sure generates many millions for Bono and friends.

Gwreck
Sep 10 2014 03:42 PM
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Yes. Apple probably gave them in the low-8 figures for it but that's really only a small piece of the potential income.

Conservative estimate is that they'll make $200-$300 million after expenses on a worldwide tour.

TransMonk
Sep 10 2014 05:04 PM
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Gwreck wrote:
Yes. Apple probably gave them in the low-8 figures for it but that's really only a small piece of the potential income.

Conservative estimate is that they'll make $200-$300 million after expenses on a worldwide tour.

This. Bands make exponentially more money touring than selling albums. The fact that this album is so accessible could help them sell out that many more stadiums.

Edgy MD
Sep 10 2014 08:04 PM
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The problem, among other things, is that it's tragic that bands can't make money selling their recordings anymore, and this giveaway queers the market even further.

seawolf17
Sep 11 2014 07:29 AM
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Why would there be "backlash"? Bands have been giving away music for years (e.g., Radiohead, Nine Inch Nails). Not that U2 needs help selling tickets, but this is a brilliant move by them.

sharpie
Sep 11 2014 08:02 AM
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I just finished reading "Tune In" part one of a three-volume Beatles biography. Volume one is 800 pages, cut down from the 1,100 pages in the UK edition and takes you through 1962. In any event, the book describes how artists at that point never figured to make any money out of recordings, mostly due to pernicious contracts but also the low cost of 45s and, in the UK, the not enormous record-buying public. It was all about having hit records so that you could charge more for live appearances. What goes around comes around.

Edgy MD
Sep 11 2014 08:03 AM
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Why would there be "backlash"?


(1) Because there's always backlash. (2) Because they're in bed with the Man. (3) Because what you do at the top of the market effects everybody else in the marketplace. (4) Because people love to hate on Bono.

Googling Backlash Against U2, I get 4,200,000 hits. Making it a single term, "Backlash Against U2," I still get 4,200 hits. I'm sure most of those have nothing to do with the Apple giveaway, but that's something.

Here's one:

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People Are Freaking Out Over Apple's Forced Download Of U2's New Album On iTunes
James Cook, provided by
Business Insider
Published 2:11 am, Thursday, September 11, 2014


While Bono and Tim Cook might be excited about the release of U2's new album, not everyone is sharing their enthusiasm.

Toward the end of Tuesday's Apple event, Tim Cook and Bono announced that every iTunes user would be given the band's new album for free. While that might not sound like a bad thing, many people are angry over the way Apple chose to "gift" the album.

U2's new album, "Songs of Innocence," shows up in iTunes libraries as purchased, whether users have chosen to buy it or not. That has made a lot of people angry, as it's nearly impossible to get rid of the album.



Users who have opted to download new purchases to their iPhone automatically have found the new U2 album sitting on their phone since Tuesday. But even if iTunes users hadn't chosen automatic downloads, "Songs of Innocence" will still be displayed as an "iTunes in the Cloud" purchase. That means it will still be shown as part of your music library, even if you delete all the tracks. The only way to make the U2 album go away is to go to your Mac or PC and hide all of your "iTunes in the Cloud" purchases, or to use iTunes to manually hide each track from your purchased items list.

Even then, the U2 album will lurk in your account, hidden until you decide you want it.

You cannot actually disassociate it completely from your account.

Angry iTunes users have pointed to Jay Z's deal with Samsung as a positive example of an album being released in partnership with a technology company. In June last year, anyone with a Samsung Galaxy S III, Galaxy S4, or Galaxy Note II was able to get Jay Z's new album for free, days before it went on general release. Crucially, customers had to choose to download an app to download the album. This meant that only Samsung customers who were interested in Jay Z's new album got to download it. By contrast, Apple's tactic forced the album upon hundreds of millions of people.

With Bloomberg reporting that Apple has over 800 million iTunes accounts, that's a whole lot of people who have the album. In comparison, U2's total album sales to date have been estimated at about 150 million. The band's previous album, "No Line on the Horizon," sold five million copies.

Tim Cook said on stage at the Apple event, shortly after awkwardly touching fingers with Bono, that U2's new album had "the largest album release of all time." But giving away the album for free means that "Songs of Innocence" won't be eligible for listing on the Billboard Charts until its physical release on Oct. 14.


That article doesn't say so, but I think it's largely about insecure feelings with regard to the mysterious ubiquitousness of the iCloud, which may or may not be the reason Jennifer Lawrence, Justin Verlander, et al. got burned, but is starting to feel real intrusive to folks, and then they log onto their computer and find files there they didn't ask for, with Bono's face attached to them, that turn out to be startlingly difficult to remove.

Ceetar
Sep 11 2014 09:14 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:


That article doesn't say so, but I think it's largely about insecure feelings with regard to the mysterious ubiquitousness of the iCloud, which may or may not be the reason Jennifer Lawrence, Justin Verlander, et al. got burned, but is starting to feel real intrusive to folks, and then they log onto their computer and find files there they didn't ask for, with Bono's face attached to them, that turn out to be startlingly difficult to remove.


This has been Apple's m.o. from the outset though. You'll take what we give you and don't you dare say you don't want it. Whether it's Apple maps, or Apple's keyboard.

Edgy MD
Sep 11 2014 10:09 AM
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Maybe it is, but I suspect (actually I know) some folks feel particularly intruded upon this time.

Ceetar
Sep 11 2014 10:31 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Maybe it is, but I suspect (actually I know) some folks feel particularly intruded upon this time.


Oh, definitely. I guess because people didn't explicitly opt in to something new. But it's not like music preloaded on things is a new concept.

Mets – Willets Point
Sep 11 2014 12:07 PM
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Interesting. I actually found that I had to poke around quite a bit to find the page where I could actually download the tracks, myself.

As for U2, I think they've learned that the 20th century model of art as a commodity is just a blip in history, and they've resumed the traditional model of supporting the arts - finding a patron.

cooby
Sep 11 2014 01:02 PM
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Downloading it as we speak. I wouldn't have known if not for this thread.

I don't know how much I'll listen to it since I generally use my phone as a phone but what the heck.

I don't mind that it's U2 be cause for the most part they are not objectionable but I'd be upset if it was most of the current garbage on the music scene. By that I mean anybody you can see on awards shows these days.

metirish
Sep 15 2014 08:19 AM
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Paul Brady is pissed

http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music ... -1.1929436

Edgy MD
Sep 15 2014 08:25 AM
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Backlash.

HahnSolo
Sep 15 2014 09:03 AM
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metirish wrote:
Paul Brady is pissed

http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music ... -1.1929436


I haven't seen a Brady that pissed about the music industry since Greg's turn as Johnny Bravo went sour.

Edgy MD
Sep 16 2014 02:28 PM
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Ashie62
Sep 16 2014 11:52 PM
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Hey, its' free!

Frayed Knot
Oct 15 2014 11:31 AM
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Bono apologizes for U2’s automatic iTunes album drop: ‘We got carried away’

The frontman told fans in a Facebook Q&A the band was sorry for automatically uploading their new album, 'Songs of Innocence,' onto users' iTunes
accounts last month. 'I had this beautiful idea and we got carried away with ourselves. Artists are prone to that kind of thing,' he said.

Mets – Willets Point
Oct 15 2014 11:41 AM
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I wouldn't have minded if it hadn't been such a horribly bland album.

TransMonk
Oct 15 2014 01:01 PM
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Fuck you, Bono. I wish I could get carried away with ignoring you.

smg58
Oct 15 2014 02:16 PM
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People will pay Apple or Microsoft any amount of money they ask for to have the means of acquiring music without paying for it, but when Apple actually gives them free music, they expend more energy ranting about the Fascist oppression than it would take to just delete the files. Whatever. I don't see the point in apologizing; U2 tried a different marketing tactic, and people can like it or not like it as they see fit just like they can like or not like the album.

The album is decent, even if "The Miracle" is the only song that really sticks with me. (Kind of like how "Magnificent" was the only song off the last album to stick with me.)

TransMonk
Oct 15 2014 03:18 PM
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smg58 wrote:
People will pay Apple or Microsoft any amount of money they ask for to have the means of acquiring music without paying for it...

I don't understand this.

I pay for the music I want. Anything they give me for "free" is just unsolicited advertising that I can do without. Especially if it is U2.

Gwreck
Oct 15 2014 03:56 PM
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I still have a hard time understanding the huge uproar. It was in your library (and wasn't automatically downloaded to your hard drive/portable music device. It wasn't pornographic, or offensive, or full of bad words, or racist, or similar. If you didn't want it, you deleted it.

I guess at worst, it was like getting junk mail. Oh, the horror.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 15 2014 04:38 PM
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Yeah it's a minor irritant in the grand scheme but I think there was an underlying arrogance to the act itself that rubbed people the wrong way.

Time's Man of the Year said as much.

Edgy MD
Oct 15 2014 07:03 PM
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People are kind of paradoxical about technological gadgetry --- particularly that produced by Apple. They desire it and get all fetishistic and self-centered and self-important about obtaining it, and feel inferior and insecure if they don't have it. But they are also deeply suspicious of its ubiquity and resentful about it's scope and access to all parts of our lives.

These feelings kind of coalesced around this event. Dude bypasses your home security and walks into your house at night and leaves a box of chocolates on the kitchen table, and you feel a little creeped out. You tell him that as gently as you can and he says that if you don't like chocolates, throw them away. Now you feel both violated and like an unappreciative slob. And so you try and calmly explain, and he's all, sheesh, I BUILT THIS HOUSE FOR YOU. IT'S STATE OF THE ART. YOU SAID YOU LIKED IT!

And you just withdraw, figuring you're just not going to see eye to eye with the guy. You go to bed that night, and you hear a noise. The whole chocolate thing was nothing in and of itself, but you realize you're never going to feel quite as comfortable sleeping in this house again. And that you were probably a fool to have ever felt it was your domain and your domain alone, but that guy had to go and fuck with you just to underscore the point.

d'Kong76
Oct 15 2014 07:20 PM
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The apology is kinda stupid, if not brilliant. Gets people
talking about U2 again. When's the tour start? Yawn.

cooby
Oct 19 2014 06:47 AM
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Well this is weird.

This morning at exactly 8:30 while driving to church with my phone in my pocket, this suddenly started playing

Edgy MD
Oct 19 2014 12:26 PM
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Ominously incomplete post, coo. What started playing?

cooby
Oct 19 2014 12:38 PM
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Well, this U2 download.

Edgy MD
Oct 19 2014 12:42 PM
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Sorry. I thought there was an imbed in your post that didn't take.