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2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Edgy MD Sep 29 2014 12:16 PM

Gardenfired. One of only two men to hold that job since 1987.

Frayed Knot Sep 29 2014 12:19 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

If only he hadn't diverted so much of his attention to Japanese women's soccer.

Valadius Sep 29 2014 12:44 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

One of the better managers in the game, IMO. Not always given the best players to work with. If I were the Mets I would try and scoop him back into the organization immediately, should no managerial offers appear for him.

Lefty Specialist Sep 29 2014 01:27 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Maybe Sandy shouldn't have been so hasty about saying Terry was coming back.

Edgy MD Sep 29 2014 01:29 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

He should have at least asked Terry how he feels about Japan Women's Soccer.

Frayed Knot Sep 29 2014 02:00 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

The biggest problem with Gardenhire is that he was like 6-134 vs the Yanx during his time with the Twins ... OK that record might not be entirely accurate but it seems to be the case and it only got worse during playoff match ups. My personal opinion on the guy is that you don't last that long without being at least decent and that he probably relates well to players. But whenever I'd watch games with him at the helm I'd find myself scratching my head at some of his moves. Can't remember what specifically I didn't like and the SSS caveat has to be considered since I obviously don't sit around watching that many Minnesota games - but if I'm Sandy I'm certainly not altering my 2015 plans just because Gardy is suddenly available.

Edgy MD Sep 29 2014 02:31 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Yeah, you fire Terry because you've lost faith in Terry, not because there's suddenly a big difference-maker floating around.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 29 2014 02:35 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

I'd fire Terry if a big difference maker became available, but I doubt that there are any potential managers who could clearly fit that description.

Edgy MD Sep 29 2014 02:40 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

I'm not sure any would. It strikes me as fool's gold to think they are. Even one who pushed all the right buttons in one organization could be dead wrong in another. That's why I think, if you're OK with the bird in the hand, trust that.

Frayed Knot Sep 29 2014 02:59 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

TEAM MANAGER SIGNED THRU STATUS METS Terry Collins 2015 + option for '16 BRAVES Fredi Gonzalez 2015 PHILLIES Ryne Sandberg 2016 + option for '17 NATIONALS Matt Williams 2015 + options for ’16 + ’17 MARLINS Mike Redmond 2015 CARDINALS Mike Matheny 2017 PIRATES Clint Hurdle 2017 + option for ’18 CUBS Rick Renteria 2016 + options for ’17 + ’18 REDS Bryan Price 2016 BREWERS Ron Roenicke 2015 +option for ‘16 DODGERS Don Mattingly 2016 GIANTS Bruce Bochy 2016 PADRES Bud Black 2015 DBACKS Kirk Gibson 2014 Fired Sept ‘14 ROCKIES Walt Weiss 2016 RED SOX John Farrell 2016 YANKEES Joe Girardi 2017 ORIOLES Buck Showalter 2018 BLUE JAYS John Gibbons 2015 + option for ‘16 RAYS Joe Maddon 2015 TIGERS Brad Ausmus 2016 + option for ‘17 INDIANS Terry Francona 2016 ROYALS Ned Yost 2015 TWINS Ron Gardenhire 2015 Fired Sept ‘14 WHITE SOX Robin Ventura 2014 ANGELS Mike Scioscia 2018 RANGERS Ron Washington 2014 Resigned Sept 2014 MARINERS Lloyd McClendon 201? ASTROS Bo Porter —- Fired Spet 2014 ATHLETICS Bob Melvin 2016

TransMonk Sep 29 2014 03:35 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Ventura signed an extension back in January that looks like it will keeps him in Chicago thru 2016....though the internet references with details are sketchy at best. http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2 ... provements

Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 29 2014 06:12 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

I thought that job was his for life.

metirish Sep 29 2014 07:46 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

I honestly don't see any manager that would have made the difference or done better than Terry did this season with this squad, unless you think Terry cost the Mets games this season?

Frayed Knot Sep 29 2014 08:18 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

And we have the first vacancy filled of the off-season as Houston wastes no time in naming A.J. Hinch to run their dugout. Hinch managed the DBacks for just over a year back in 2009-10 to no particular distinction (89-123). Most recently he was a VP with San Diego. The Houston GM Jeff Luhnow is known to be a SABRE-type guy so one would guess that Hinch impressed him in that field someway. TEAM MANAGER SIGNED THRU STATUS METS Terry Collins 2015 + option for '16 BRAVES Fredi Gonzalez 2015 PHILLIES Ryne Sandberg 2016 + option for '17 NATIONALS Matt Williams 2015 + options for ’16 + ’17 MARLINS Mike Redmond 2015 CARDINALS Mike Matheny 2017 PIRATES Clint Hurdle 2017 + option for ’18 CUBS Rick Renteria 2016 + options for ’17 + ’18 REDS Bryan Price 2016 BREWERS Ron Roenicke 2015 + option for ‘16 DODGERS Don Mattingly 2016 GIANTS Bruce Bochy 2016 PADRES Bud Black 2015 DBACKS Kirk Gibson 2014 Fired Sept ‘14 ROCKIES Walt Weiss 2016 RED SOX John Farrell 2016 YANKEES Joe Girardi 2017 ORIOLES Buck Showalter 2018 BLUE JAYS John Gibbons 2015 + option for ‘16 RAYS Joe Maddon 2015 TIGERS Brad Ausmus 2016 + option for ‘17 INDIANS Terry Francona 2016 ROYALS Ned Yost 2015 TWINS Ron Gardenhire 2015 Fired Sept ‘14 WHITE SOX Robin Ventura 2014 ANGELS Mike Scioscia 2018 RANGERS Ron Washington 2014 Resigned Sept 2014 MARINERS Lloyd McClendon 201? ASTROS Bo Porter Fired Sept 2014 AJ Hinch - Hired Sept 2014 ATHLETICS Bob Melvin 2016

Edgy MD Oct 01 2014 01:34 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Candidate to get the Diamondbacks job (and possibly fired two days later): Joe McEwing.

HahnSolo Oct 01 2014 02:36 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Bud Black will return for his ninth season as Padres manager, despite just two winning seasons in his first 8. His only hint of the postseason came in his first year, when the Padres lost that famous Matt Holliday slide game in a play-in at Coors Field. Also lost the NL West title on the final day of the 2010 season. But his record over the last four years has been positively Terry-esque (71, 76, 76, 77 wins), making it at least somewhat surprising that he was brought back.

Edgy MD Oct 02 2014 02:02 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Twins hero Doug Mientkiewicz and Twins hero/Minnesota homeboy Paul Molitor up for the Twins job. We could have two Hall-of-Fame players as managers at once.

MFS62 Oct 02 2014 03:09 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Edgy MD wrote: Candidate to get the Diamondbacks job (and possibly fired two days later): Joe McEwing. Randy Johnson said he's hoping Joe gets it, so he won't have to face him in an old timers' game. Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 09 2014 05:56 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Chip Hale to the Chief being interviewed by Twins. Boston bench coach Torey Lovullo also a candidate. GM Dan O'Dowd & assistants out of Rockies' front office. O'Dowd had been there 15 years.

Edgy MD Oct 10 2014 12:55 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Not all the assistants go, though, as his replacement was the team's development director. Got to think this refuels all the trade-Tulo-and-Gonzalez fires. This guy presumably wouldn't be as wedded to those two guys. Following that logic, it's hard to avoid the image of Tulowitzki in the Bronx. He'll wear 22 and #2lo will become, like, a thing. [list][*]Everything he does won't be credited to him so much as a noble continuing of Jeter's legacy, a living tribute to the standard bearer of standard bearers.[/*:m] [*]Everything he fails to do will be a blasphemous disgrace upon Jeter's position/name/digit, and if he doesn't perform well, he'll be hated like A-Rod.[/*:m][/list:u]

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 10 2014 01:28 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

I get the impression the Monforts are about as competent as the Wilpons. The call for some sort of change grew louder and louder from fans this season. Monfort even received emails from angry patrons; he responded by saying that if the fans weren't happy with the bad baseball they were witnessing, maybe they shouldn't come to Coors Field. And that perhaps the city wasn't deserving of a major league team anymore. He later softened his stance. It was Monfort himself who raised expectations by predicting a 90-win season in the spring. Only Fred would say, "well if you'd only come to CitiField to begin with we wouldn't suck so much!"

Gwreck Oct 13 2014 09:36 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

ESPN reporting that Chip Hale was hired by Arizona.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 13 2014 09:46 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Aw crap. They are going to kill us.

Frayed Knot Oct 13 2014 03:36 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

TEAM MANAGER SIGNED THRU STATUS METS Terry Collins 2015 + option for '16 BRAVES Fredi Gonzalez 2015 PHILLIES Ryne Sandberg 2016 + option for '17 NATIONALS Matt Williams 2015 + options for ’16 + ’17 MARLINS Mike Redmond 2015 CARDINALS Mike Matheny 2017 PIRATES Clint Hurdle 2017 + option for ’18 CUBS Rick Renteria 2016 + options for ’17 + ’18 REDS Bryan Price 2016 BREWERS Ron Roenicke 2015 + option for ‘16 DODGERS Don Mattingly 2016 GIANTS Bruce Bochy 2016 PADRES Bud Black 2015 DBACKS Kirk Gibson 2014 -- Fired, Sept 2014 Chip Hale hired for 2015-16 ROCKIES Walt Weiss 2016 RED SOX John Farrell 2016 YANKEES Joe Girardi 2017 ORIOLES Buck Showalter 2018 BLUE JAYS John Gibbons 2015 + option for ‘16 RAYS Joe Maddon 2015 TIGERS Brad Ausmus 2016 + option for ‘17 INDIANS Terry Francona 2016 ROYALS Ned Yost 2015 TWINS Ron Gardenhire 2015 Fired Sept ‘14 WHITE SOX Robin Ventura 2014 ANGELS Mike Scioscia 2018 RANGERS Ron Washington 2014 Resigned Sept 2014 MARINERS Lloyd McClendon 201? ASTROS Bo Porter Fired Sept 2014 AJ Hinch - Hired Sept 2014 ATHLETICS Bob Melvin 2016

Edgy MD Oct 15 2014 09:44 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Jeff Passan @JeffPassan Sources: John Hart has turned down the Braves' offer to be GM. For now, Atlanta focused on AGM John Coppolella and Royals GM Dayton Moore. Who doesn't want to be a GM? Who doesn't want to be a a GM of a healthy and an almost perennially contending team? John Hart doesn't, which is a curiosity. Maybe he feels like all their contracts to second- and third-year players has locked them in too much for the next five years and he would either not be able to build his own squad, or would have to set the team back a few years in order to undo that strategy. I dunno. Be interesting to see them go after the Royals' GM just as the Royals are wrapping up their most successful season in 29 years.

Edgy MD Oct 15 2014 10:34 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

And how about the Dodgers, stealing Andrew Friedman from the Rays, while still keeping Ned Coletti?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 15 2014 11:00 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Jeff Passan @JeffPassan Sources: John Hart has turned down the Braves' offer to be GM. For now, Atlanta focused on AGM John Coppolella and Royals GM Dayton Moore. Who doesn't want to be a GM? Who doesn't want to be a a GM of a healthy and an almost perennially contending team? John Hart doesn't, which is a curiosity. Maybe he feels like all their contracts to second- and third-year players has locked them in too much for the next five years and he would either not be able to build his own squad, or would have to set the team back a few years in order to undo that strategy. I dunno. Be interesting to see them go after the Royals' GM just as the Royals are wrapping up their most successful season in 29 years. I get the sense that in general a lot of organization are rethinking how they do shit as a lot of best-laid plans seems to have gone kablooey this year especially. The so-called "good teams" are out of the playoffs, and a lot of clubs that were nominally trying like the Braves and Jays and MFYs were just so meh. Moore is Braves stock as I recall.

seawolf17 Oct 15 2014 11:34 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Knew I should have applied for the Braves job.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 15 2014 11:45 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I get the sense that in general a lot of organization are rethinking how they do shit as a lot of best-laid plans seems to have gone kablooey this year especially. The so-called "good teams" are out of the playoffs, and a lot of clubs that were nominally trying like the Braves and Jays and MFYs were just so meh. Not just this year. The wild card format has profoundly altered the formula for trying to win a World Series. Before the wild card, a front office needed to build a team that, on paper would be expected to win about 95 games in order to have a reasonable chance at the WS crown. 95 wins is about what it took to win a division. But with the wild card in place, a team with less than 90 wins could be expected to play the wild card round. This is a significant change in team construction because those marginal wins above, say, 87 or 88, are the toughest to acquire. And those marginal wins are not as important as they were pre wild-card, if you believe that post-season baseball is a coin-flipping crap-shoot. Big market, heavy spending teams like the Yankees and Dodgers might be disappointed in qualifying as a wild card, given their payrolls. But the new dynamic is great news for the present Mets who, because of their disastrous finances, can't compete economically with the other big market teams. Me, I think baseball playoffs are a total crap-shoot, no matter who's playing whom, so I don't see anything as having gone "kablooey".

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 15 2014 12:25 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Plans go kablooey, not results. I am also leaning your way on the unpredictability of it all,

sharpie Oct 16 2014 01:22 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Pittsburgh bench coach Jeff Banister gets the Rangers job http://espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/story/_/i ... er-manager

Frayed Knot Oct 16 2014 02:18 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

No relation to the Floyd/Brian Bannisters, Jeff Banister joins Walt Alston in the club of ML managers with just one ML AB - but in his case it was a PH single vs Dan Petry of the 1991 Braves TEAM MANAGER SIGNED THRU STATUS METS Terry Collins 2015 + option for '16 BRAVES Fredi Gonzalez 2015 PHILLIES Ryne Sandberg 2016 + option for '17 NATIONALS Matt Williams 2015 + options for ’16 + ’17 MARLINS Mike Redmond 2015 CARDINALS Mike Matheny 2017 PIRATES Clint Hurdle 2017 + option for ’18 CUBS Rick Renteria 2016 + options for ’17 + ’18 REDS Bryan Price 2016 BREWERS Ron Roenicke 2015 + option for ‘16 DODGERS Don Mattingly 2016 GIANTS Bruce Bochy 2016 PADRES Bud Black 2015 DBACKS Kirk Gibson 2014 -- Fired, Sept 2014 Chip Hale hired for 2015-16 ROCKIES Walt Weiss 2016 RED SOX John Farrell 2016 YANKEES Joe Girardi 2017 ORIOLES Buck Showalter 2018 BLUE JAYS John Gibbons 2015 + option for ‘16 RAYS Joe Maddon 2015 TIGERS Brad Ausmus 2016 + option for ‘17 INDIANS Terry Francona 2016 ROYALS Ned Yost 2015 TWINS Ron Gardenhire 2015 Fired Sept ‘14 WHITE SOX Robin Ventura 2014 ANGELS Mike Scioscia 2018 RANGERS Ron Washington 2014 - Resigned Sept 2014 Hired Jeff Banister MARINERS Lloyd McClendon 201? ASTROS Bo Porter Fired Sept 2014 AJ Hinch - Hired Sept 2014 ATHLETICS Bob Melvin 2016

Edgy MD Oct 16 2014 02:25 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Ventura definitely signed an extension last winter. I haven't been able to find any reference to how long it goes, though. Speaking of extensions, the Royals must be cooking up a big steamy one for Yost.

sharpie Oct 24 2014 10:56 AM maddon frag

Joe Maddon leaving the Rays http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11754 ... aving-team

Edgy MD Oct 24 2014 11:28 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Moved that post here. Two threads with similar names. But this seems to be the home for it.

Frayed Knot Oct 24 2014 11:56 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 24 2014 12:19 PM

Well everyone looking for a manager now has one signed for 2015 except for the Twins, and it seems unlikely that Maddon threw over his long-time employer just to jump to a different low-budget team only one in worse shape and with worse weather (Maddon likes to bicycle to his home games and even travels w/a bike on the road). So this puts him in great shape to sit out a year (while letting various networks trip over each other to throw money at him in the meantime) and start sorting out offers for 2016 - at which point there might be an opening in Queens, NY TEAM MANAGER SIGNED THRU STATUS METS Terry Collins 2015 + option for '16 BRAVES Fredi Gonzalez 2015 PHILLIES Ryne Sandberg 2016 + option for '17 NATIONALS Matt Williams 2015 + options for ’16 + ’17 MARLINS Mike Redmond 2015 Extended through 2017 CARDINALS Mike Matheny 2017 PIRATES Clint Hurdle 2017 + option for ’18 CUBS Rick Renteria 2016 + options for ’17 + ’18 REDS Bryan Price 2016 BREWERS Ron Roenicke 2015 + option for ‘16 DODGERS Don Mattingly 2016 GIANTS Bruce Bochy 2016 PADRES Bud Black 2015 DBACKS Kirk Gibson 2014 -- Fired, Sept 2014 Chip Hale hired for 2015-16 ROCKIES Walt Weiss 2016 RED SOX John Farrell 2016 YANKEES Joe Girardi 2017 ORIOLES Buck Showalter 2018 BLUE JAYS John Gibbons 2015 + option for ‘16 RAYS Joe Maddon 2015 Mgr Opted out of contract's final year TIGERS Brad Ausmus 2016 + option for ‘17 INDIANS Terry Francona 2016 ROYALS Ned Yost 2015 TWINS Ron Gardenhire 2015 Fired Sept ‘14 WHITE SOX Robin Ventura 2014 ANGELS Mike Scioscia 2018 RANGERS Ron Washington 2014 - Resigned Sept 2014 Hired Jeff Banister MARINERS Lloyd McClendon 201? ASTROS Bo Porter Fired Sept 2014 AJ Hinch - Hired Sept 2014 ATHLETICS Bob Melvin 2016

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 24 2014 12:08 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Joe Maddon? Unattached? Wow, that's interesting. Hey, Terry? Do you mind stepping back over here? There's some really cool foliage I want to show you, right behind the shed.

Edgy MD Oct 24 2014 12:09 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

You don't have it on the chart above, but Redmond got extended through 2017, so Maddon ain't going south.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 24 2014 12:18 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Seriously, Terry... it's, like, stunning back here. The effect's even better if you stare at one far-off spot for, like, a minute.

Frayed Knot Oct 24 2014 12:24 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Joel Sherman already weighs in with a piece citing the Mets as #2 guess behind only the Cubs as the 2016 landing spot for Maddon. The logical assumption, the Dodgers on account of the Rays President landing there recently, seems content with Mattingly but that could change in a hurry if they're not in the mix next season with that massive payroll.

Ceetar Oct 24 2014 12:36 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Frayed Knot wrote: Joel Sherman already weighs in with a piece citing the Mets as #2 guess behind only the Cubs as the 2016 landing spot for Maddon. The logical assumption, the Dodgers on account of the Rays President landing there recently, seems content with Mattingly but that could change in a hurry if they're not in the mix next season with that massive payroll. Dodgers and Mets have both weighed in that they're not switching managers. All this stuff happened days ago, this is just media catching up on all the angles.

Frayed Knot Oct 24 2014 01:08 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Oh it's all speculation at this point so it's not like any POV is going to have facts backing it up - and of course no one is going to say that they're looking to dump their incumbent a year in advance. It's just that both the Mets & Cubs will have openings (or options to consider) 11 months from now, are expected to be teams on the rise with a sizable contingent of younger players, and both are larger markets that one would assume Maddon would want after the better part of a decade in Tampa. So while it may be speculation, it's least logical speculation even if a whole bunch of things will change between now and October 2015.

Ceetar Oct 24 2014 01:11 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Oh, clearly. It's weird how sometimes teams seem to leak even the innermost workings of contract negotiations, and yet Maddon supposedly talked with 4-5 teams and we didn't hear a peep. Weird timing too, Friday afternoon? Maybe he really does end up taking a year to drum up interest.

Frayed Knot Oct 24 2014 03:15 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Where/when was Maddon talking to 4 or 5 other teams?

Ceetar Oct 24 2014 03:17 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Frayed Knot wrote: Where/when was Maddon talking to 4 or 5 other teams? Most initial reports had his agent reaching out to other teams prior to this.

Edgy MD Oct 24 2014 03:24 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Is that allowed?

Frayed Knot Oct 24 2014 03:28 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

No.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 24 2014 03:42 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

It's pretty pathetic that I can root for the National League franchise from the greatest city in the world -- a team that hasn't had a top manager in more than ten years and yet just the same, believe that the odds of Maddon coming to manage the Mets are zero.

metirish Oct 24 2014 06:00 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Mike Vaccaro going full Vaccaro on this , he even manages to align himself in comparison to Dick Young Mets’ credibility takes another hit if they don’t pursue Joe Maddon/ As of right now, immediately, it really doesn’t matter what promises Sandy Alderson made to Terry Collins. Because as of right now, immediately, Alderson has it within his grasp to make a move that will really be the first legitimate game-changer on his watch as general manager of the Mets. As of right now – actually, as of about noon Friday – Joe Maddon is no longer in the employ of the Tampa Bay Rays. Which means one of the two or three best managers in baseball is now a free agent. Which means Alderson should already have made an inquiry. Look, we can argue for hours about the true impact managers have in a sport dictated by the whims of line drives that are caught and bloopers that fall safe. Ned Yost sitting three games from winning a world championship is only the latest affirmation that you needn’t be Phi Beta Kappa to make it to the finish line. Still, the great managers give you the best chance to survive the 162-game grind, put you in position as often as possible, give you the greater chance to maximize the talents on your roster. That much is indisputable. Maddon already has one of the more improbable baseball turnarounds ever on his dossier, turning the Rays from hopeless drifters in the sport’s hinterlands to a perennial contender. If he is available, you go after him. You run after him. And if the cost of getting it done is changing your mind about Terry Collins? Then you knock on Collins’ door, you ring him on the telephone, and you say: We love you, we appreciate what you’ve done for us in times of trouble, we hope you will stay with us. Just in a different job. Hey, it happens. A college coach might be happy with his quarterback or his point guard, but if there’s a better quarterback or a better point guard available in next year’s freshman class, then he’ll recruit over his incumbents in an eyeblink. If Dick Young were available tomorrow, I suspect The Post would be more than eager to recruit over me. That’s how it works. The Mets have spent far too long trying to convince us the future is imminent, just a little bit further beyond the bend, just wait, you’ll see, and they’ve far too often allowed their ultimate decision-makers to sabotage these sentiments by locking up the corporate checkbook and failing to have the heart – among other anatomical necessities – to make the team better. Reports that Jeff Wilpon emphatically denied the Mets will change managers only prove that Cabinet of Stupid is still in session. But it needn’t be permanent. The Mets actually showed they might be changing their organizational thinking the other day, when they did the right thing and hired Kevin Long as hitting coach. That’s a good start. This is a better one. The Mets going after Maddon – and at full speed, no half-hearted, half-measure pursuit intended to place or to show, as they’ve done so often – sends an immediate message, even a month before the hot-stove league truly starts to percolate. And it is the best message possible, from a team whose credibility gap grows exponentially every year: This time, we’re serious. This time, we’re all in. Look, it may well be Maddon wants no part of New York, sees some other openings across baseball – starting with the Cubs, perpetually in search of a hero to end a 106-year drought, blessed with the youngest everyday talent in the game – and politely declines the overture. But Maddon has always seemed charmed by the give-and-take of New York when he’s visited with the Rays, and certainly owns the gravitas to immediately dig in around here. Either way, the Mets have to find out. They have to recruit Maddon, even at the cost of recruiting over Collins – for whom Maddon worked as a coach in Anaheim and whom he replaced on an interim basis in 1999. Collins is a good man, a good baseball man, a worthwhile employee to retain, to reassign elsewhere in the organization. But he isn’t Maddon as a manager. As of right now, immediately, Maddon is available, and he is free to work anywhere in baseball he chooses. Maybe that’s New York, maybe it’s not. Maybe he’d rather wait to see if Don Mattingly winds up ousted in Los Angeles, so he can be reunited with his former boss Andrew Friedman. Either way, the Mets have to find out. They have to ask. They need to be ready to dust off that corporate checkbook. Right now. Immediately. http://nypost.com/2014/10/24/mets-could ... oe-maddon/

d'Kong76 Oct 24 2014 06:28 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

I swear I think some of these guys have a few template columns they pull up and just add names and some 'details.'

d'Kong76 Oct 24 2014 06:40 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Vaccaro wrote: Look, we can argue for hours That's longer than you gave the ink to dry on Maddon's resignation.

Ashie62 Oct 24 2014 06:44 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Ceetar wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Where/when was Maddon talking to 4 or 5 other teams? Most initial reports had his agent reaching out to other teams prior to this. link?

metirish Oct 24 2014 07:07 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

d'Kong76 wrote: Vaccaro wrote: Look, we can argue for hours That's longer than you gave the ink to dry on Maddon's resignation. nice one

Edgy MD Oct 24 2014 07:18 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

batmagadanleadoff wrote: It's pretty pathetic that I can root for the National League franchise from the greatest city in the world -- a team that hasn't had a top manager in more than ten years and yet just the same, believe that the odds of Maddon coming to manage the Mets are zero. You can get 10 baseball people in a room, show them 10 managers, take away wins and losses, and get 10 opinions on what a top manager looks like.

Edgy MD Oct 25 2014 01:44 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

A lot of BS out there that the Mets not dumping their manager and landing Maddon proves they're not serious.

Lefty Specialist Oct 25 2014 05:26 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Well, if they dumped their owner's son and landed Maddon that'd prove they're serious.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 25 2014 06:30 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Edgy MD wrote: A lot of BS out there that the Mets not dumping their manager and landing Maddon proves they're not serious. I wouldn't hold it against the Mets for "not landing" Maddon -- so long as the Mets made a good faith effort to land him -- or so long as Maddon made it clear that he just ain't interested in managing the Mets no way no how. But it looks like the Mets just ain't interested in getting him. Probably 'cause the owners heads would explode if they hafta eat Terry's guaranteed 2015 salary on top of paying Maddon's price. And prolly 'cause Maddon's got the bona fides that he ain't gonna be intimidated by the little dipshit that's running the Mets more and more with each passing day.

Edgy MD Oct 25 2014 10:07 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

I think there's nothing to that. So far, it seems like there's 29 teams not jumping at Maddon. Thirty. It's a perfectly reasonable perspective that any suspected marginal benefit from changing managers is undermined by the instability and bad faith of switching managers weeks after announcing that you've announced your incumbent has returned and you've assembled a staff around him. As far as I'm concerned, Maddon is a suspect not to be trusted.

d'Kong76 Oct 29 2014 05:29 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Maddon to Cubs per Heyman. Am I not remembering correctly but when the Yankees are in the post-season all these blockbuster moves are encouraged to be put off until after the World Series so as not to take away for it or something?

TransMonk Oct 29 2014 05:55 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Are you sure it wasn't just the Yankees not wanting the World Series to take away from their blockbuster moves?

Edgy MD Oct 29 2014 06:46 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

I imagine the Cubs were intending to be good little citizens, but Heyman got the scoop.

Frayed Knot Oct 29 2014 06:47 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Yeah, the original ban against making announcements during active post-season play was put in because one year Steinbrenner, pouting that he wasn't in that year's WS, chose game 7 to announce one of his Billy Martin hirings (or was it firings?) in order to steal the headlines away from the sport itself and onto himself (now tell me again why he deserves HoF induction?) I think the difference here is that no one in the Cubs org is saying anything publicly and there's no announcement expected (last I heard anyway) until Friday when things are all over. Somebody's leaking to Heyman though. from MLB.com: Joe Maddon is on the verge of becoming the Cubs' next manager, according to CBS Sports' Jon Heyman, who earlier reported a deal was done. Maddon's agent and two Cubs sources say they do not have a deal. "We don't have a done deal," said Alan Nero, Maddon's agent. "We continue to talk to several clubs. It's not to say we won't have a deal done in the next few days, and if we do, it will be announced."

bmfc1 Oct 30 2014 05:36 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

batmagadanleadoff wrote: But it looks like the Mets just ain't interested in getting him. Probably 'cause the owners heads would explode if they hafta eat Terry's guaranteed 2015 salary on top of paying Maddon's price. And prolly 'cause Maddon's got the bona fides that he ain't gonna be intimidated by the little dipshit that's running the Mets more and more with each passing day. Bravo!

Ceetar Oct 30 2014 07:32 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

The 'rule' is silly because it's so easy to leak the news and deny it publicly. Of course, this could've come from the disgruntled Renteria camp too.

d'Kong76 Oct 30 2014 08:16 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

bmfc1 wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: But it looks like the Mets just ain't interested in getting him. Probably 'cause the owners heads would explode if they hafta eat Terry's guaranteed 2015 salary on top of paying Maddon's price. And prolly 'cause Maddon's got the bona fides that he ain't gonna be intimidated by the little dipshit that's running the Mets more and more with each passing day. Bravo! It took a week for the Cubs to get him. While some eat up the drama behind batmag's hatred of his beloved, one has to think he was headed for the Cubs all along if they got things sewed up so quickly; so it really has nothing to do with the Mets or the Wilpons. I think it would be funny if it comes out the Rays gave him permission to seek em- ployment elsewhere, or even funnier if the Cubs tampered.

Edgy MD Oct 30 2014 10:10 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Bill Price wrote: It's news that is sure to send the north side of Chicago into celebration mode... What world is this he lives in?

batmagadanleadoff Oct 30 2014 10:38 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

d'Kong76 wrote: bmfc1 wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: But it looks like the Mets just ain't interested in getting him. Probably 'cause the owners heads would explode if they hafta eat Terry's guaranteed 2015 salary on top of paying Maddon's price. And prolly 'cause Maddon's got the bona fides that he ain't gonna be intimidated by the little dipshit that's running the Mets more and more with each passing day. Bravo! It took a week for the Cubs to get him. While some eat up the drama behind batmag's hatred of his beloved, one has to think he was headed for the Cubs all along if they got things sewed up so quickly; so it really has nothing to do with the Mets or the Wilpons. I think it would be funny if it comes out the Rays gave him permission to seek em- ployment elsewhere, or even funnier if the Cubs tampered. I guess your freakin' head also explodes if someone else here gets some enjoyment from one of my posts. You've managed to turn the Cubs apparent signing of Maddon into a personal thing with me. Don't blame me because the Wilpons reduced the Mets to a laughing stock. I'm just a messenger. And if the Mets never had a chance to get Maddon ... if it turns out that Maddon never wanted to manage a New York City based team that's been mediocre at best for more than half a decade ... if the Mets can't attract the Maddons of baseball, whose fault is that? Nobody's? That isn't more fallout from the owners' incompetence? One first place finish in 26 years.

Edgy MD Oct 30 2014 10:44 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Well, it's one in 12ish under Wilpon.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 30 2014 10:57 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

The Wilpons were the de facto owners pretty much since the Harazin era.

Edgy MD Oct 30 2014 10:59 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

I'd rather work within facts. It's much healthier that way.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 30 2014 11:07 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Edgy MD wrote: I'd rather work within facts. It's much healthier that way. So would I. I did.

d'Kong76 Oct 30 2014 11:37 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

I guess your freakin' head also explodes if someone else here gets some enjoyment from one of my posts. You've managed to turn the Cubs apparent signing of Maddon into a personal thing with me. Don't blame me because the Wilpons reduced the Mets to a laughing stock. I'm just a messenger. And if the Mets never had a chance to get Maddon ... if it turns out that Maddon never wanted to manage a New York City based team that's been mediocre at best for more than half a decade ... if the Mets can't attract the Maddons of baseball, whose fault is that? Nobody's? That isn't more fallout from the owners' incompetence? One first place finish in 26 years. I really didn't deserve such a reaction, and all I said is that you are a little dramatic. Your response solidifies that point. No one here thinks the owner's are competent, and we all realize that sure, there may be guys who don't want to come here. But it looks like the Mets just ain't interested in getting him. Probably not, and I probably wouldn't want to come to a company that just signed the top dog and then fired him for me. That would make me feel real safe. Great way to do biz. Probably 'cause the owners heads would explode if they hafta eat Terry's guaranteed 2015 salary on top of paying Maddon's price. Maybe, but more likely it just makes your head explode thinking about would be and maybe if scenarios that ad- vance your agenda. And prolly 'cause Maddon's got the bona fides that he ain't gonna be intimidated by the little dipshit Terry's intimidated by Jeff? I didn't know. Who looks in- timidated in this pic?: [fimg=375]https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3156/5795583954_e7fc4bd5c4_z.jpg[/fimg] the little dipshit that's running the Mets more and more with each passing day. Decade old news, but nice drama. Sheesh.

Edgy MD Oct 31 2014 09:09 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

The Cubs have had five fifth-place finishes in a row, no pennants since 1945, and no championships since 1908, so I certainly don't envy them anything. Theo Epstein may have a lot to offer, but so far, he's run the team for three years; finished fifth of six, fifth of five, and fifth of five; and hired three managers. Whatever Wilpon's legacy, I fully understand not hitting the reset button because a shiny new prize of unknown real-world value has appeared on the marketplace.

d'Kong76 Oct 31 2014 09:40 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

[fimg=400:29ucvlwv]http://isportsweb.com/wp-content/uploads//2013/03/Theo.jpg[/fimg:29ucvlwv] Right, but I just brought me in someone who's got some bona fides to stand up to the Ricketts!

Frayed Knot Oct 31 2014 11:22 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Seems that there's a little bit of off-the-record grumbling about the ethics of Maddon (seemingly) ready to jump into a job that's currently occupied. That there are only 30 of these hard to land jobs available, at least some are contending that it's bad form for Maddon to effectively bounce one of his fellow skippers out of the one that he just landed a year ago.

Frayed Knot Oct 31 2014 01:29 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Annnnnd the Cubs make the first part of the transaction official by firing Renterea. No formal word on Maddon, but just in case it wasn't already apparent where they're going ... now it is. TEAM MANAGER SIGNED THRU STATUS METS Terry Collins 2015 + option for '16 BRAVES Fredi Gonzalez 2015 PHILLIES Ryne Sandberg 2016 + option for '17 NATIONALS Matt Williams 2015 + options for ’16 + ’17 MARLINS Mike Redmond 2015 Extended through 2017 CARDINALS Mike Matheny 2017 PIRATES Clint Hurdle 2017 + option for ’18 CUBS [crossout]Rick Renteria[/crossout] 2016 + options for ’17 + ’18 Fired - Oct 31 REDS Bryan Price 2016 BREWERS Ron Roenicke 2015 + option for ‘16 DODGERS Don Mattingly 2016 GIANTS Bruce Bochy 2016 PADRES Bud Black 2015 DBACKS [crossout]Kirk Gibson[/crossout] 2014 -- Fired, Sept 2014 Chip Hale hired for 2015-16 ROCKIES Walt Weiss 2016 RED SOX John Farrell 2016 YANKEES Joe Girardi 2017 ORIOLES Buck Showalter 2018 BLUE JAYS John Gibbons 2015 + option for ‘16 RAYS [crossout]Joe Maddon[/crossout] 2015 Mgr Opted out of contract's final year TIGERS Brad Ausmus 2016 + option for ‘17 INDIANS Terry Francona 2016 ROYALS Ned Yost 2015 TWINS [crossout]Ron Gardenhire[/crossout] 2015 Fired Sept ‘14 WHITE SOX Robin Ventura 2014 ANGELS Mike Scioscia 2018 RANGERS [crossout]Ron Washington[/crossout] 2014 - Resigned Sept 2014 Hired Jeff Banister MARINERS Lloyd McClendon 201? ASTROS [crossout]Bo Porter[/crossout] Fired Sept 2014 AJ Hinch - Hired Sept 2014 ATHLETICS Bob Melvin 2016

d'Kong76 Oct 31 2014 01:34 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Cubs wrote: Last Thursday, we learned that Joe Maddon - who may be as well suited as anyone in the industry to manage the challenges that lie ahead of us - had become a free agent. We confirmed the news with Major League Baseball, and it became public knowledge the next day. We saw it as a unique opportunity and faced a clear dilemma: be loyal to Rick or be loyal to the organization. In this business of trying to win a world championship for the first time in 107 years, the organization has priority over any one individual. We decided to pursue Joe. While there was no clear playbook for how to handle this type of situation, we knew we had to be transparent with Rick before engaging with Joe. Jed flew to San Diego last Friday and told Rick in person of our intention to talk to Joe about the managerial job. Subsequently, Jed and I provided updates to Rick via telephone and today informed him that we will indeed make a change. Laying in on a little thick?

G-Fafif Oct 31 2014 02:49 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

I will never not think of Dirk Hayhurst's recollection when I think of Rick Renteria. I doubt that Cubs manager Rick Renteria remembers the day that, back during his minor league managing tenure, he told my High-A team that our opponents, the San Jose Giants, bent us over and stuck it up our collectives asses. I remember. As a matter of fact, it's hard to forget when a man as relentlessly positive as Renty loses his cool and, in lieu of the normal postgame chitchat, pounds his fist violently into his open palm screaming, "Boom, boom, boom! No grease!" That's right, No grease, because if the image of getting sodomized by the other team wasn't stark enough to paint a picture of how you badly you've failed, knowing they didn't even respect you enough to use lube should drive the point the rest of the way. No pun intended. Ironically, none of us thought too hard about Renty's words at the time. We didn't dwell on the symbolism or substance. The point of the lecture wasn't the words themselves, it was that we played bad, beat ourselves and that the other team had no reason to respect us because we didn't respect us. We all sat at our lockers, heads down, tails between our legs, whimpering at Renty's words, not because we necessarily agreed with the analogies used to describe us, but because our master was angry and he only gets angry when we do wrong. Days later, when the team righted its bad play, we thought about the words more. The meaning, the implication, even the humor -- Did he really scream no grease? I mean, who on God's green earth uses grease for what he was implying? Goose grease? Axle grease? That's hardcore, bro. How could a man yell something that silly? Stranger still, how could something that silly be so impactful? I mean, we were playing better because of it.

d'Kong76 Oct 31 2014 05:18 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

And just like that, it's official: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ba ... story.html

Frayed Knot Nov 01 2014 06:51 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Two jobs remain open: Twins & Rays TEAM MANAGER SIGNED THRU STATUS METS Terry Collins 2015 + option for '16 BRAVES Fredi Gonzalez 2015 PHILLIES Ryne Sandberg 2016 + option for '17 NATIONALS Matt Williams 2015 + options for ’16 + ’17 MARLINS Mike Redmond 2015 Extended through 2017 CARDINALS Mike Matheny 2017 PIRATES Clint Hurdle 2017 + option for ’18 CUBS [crossout]Rick Renteria[/crossout] Fired Oct 31 Hired Joe Maddon for 2015 - ? REDS Bryan Price 2016 BREWERS Ron Roenicke 2015 + option for ‘16 DODGERS Don Mattingly 2016 GIANTS Bruce Bochy 2016 PADRES Bud Black 2015 DBACKS [crossout]Kirk Gibson[/crossout] 2014 -- Fired, Sept 2014 Chip Hale hired for 2015-16 ROCKIES Walt Weiss 2016 RED SOX John Farrell 2016 YANKEES Joe Girardi 2017 ORIOLES Buck Showalter 2018 BLUE JAYS John Gibbons 2015 + option for ‘16 RAYS [crossout]Joe Maddon[/crossout] 2015 Mgr Opted out of contract's final year TIGERS Brad Ausmus 2016 + option for ‘17 INDIANS Terry Francona 2016 ROYALS Ned Yost 2015 TWINS [crossout]Ron Gardenhire[/crossout] 2015 Fired Sept ‘14 WHITE SOX Robin Ventura 2014 ANGELS Mike Scioscia 2018 RANGERS [crossout]Ron Washington[/crossout] 2014 - Resigned Sept 2014 Hired Jeff Banister - 2015-17 + '18 option MARINERS Lloyd McClendon 201? ASTROS [crossout]Bo Porter[/crossout] Fired Sept 2014 AJ Hinch - Hired Sept 2014 ATHLETICS Bob Melvin 2016

batmagadanleadoff Nov 01 2014 12:22 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

But it looks like the Mets just ain't interested in getting him. Probably 'cause the owners heads would explode if they hafta eat Terry's guaranteed 2015 salary on top of paying Maddon's price. And prolly 'cause Maddon's got the bona fides that he ain't gonna be intimidated by the little dipshit that's running the Mets more and more with each passing day. Bravo! It took a week for the Cubs to get him. While some eat up the drama behind batmag's hatred of his beloved, one has to think he was headed for the Cubs all along if they got things sewed up so quickly; so it really has nothing to do with the Mets or the Wilpons. I think it would be funny if it comes out the Rays gave him permission to seek em- ployment elsewhere, or even funnier if the Cubs tampered. I guess your freakin' head also explodes if someone else here gets some enjoyment from one of my posts. You've managed to turn the Cubs apparent signing of Maddon into a personal thing with me. Don't blame me because the Wilpons reduced the Mets to a laughing stock. I'm just a messenger. And if the Mets never had a chance to get Maddon ... if it turns out that Maddon never wanted to manage a New York City based team that's been mediocre at best for more than half a decade ... if the Mets can't attract the Maddons of baseball, whose fault is that? Nobody's? That isn't more fallout from the owners' incompetence? One first place finish in 26 years. I really didn't deserve such a reaction, and all I said is that you are a little dramatic. Your response solidifies that point. No one here thinks the owner's are competent, and we all realize that sure, there may be guys who don't want to come here. But it looks like the Mets just ain't interested in getting him. Probably not, and I probably wouldn't want to come to a company that just signed the top dog and then fired him for me. That would make me feel real safe. Great way to do biz. Probably 'cause the owners heads would explode if they hafta eat Terry's guaranteed 2015 salary on top of paying Maddon's price. Maybe, but more likely it just makes your head explode thinking about would be and maybe if scenarios that ad- vance your agenda. And prolly 'cause Maddon's got the bona fides that he ain't gonna be intimidated by the little dipshit Terry's intimidated by Jeff? I didn't know. Who looks in- timidated in this pic?: [fimg=375]https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3156/5795583954_e7fc4bd5c4_z.jpg[/fimg] the little dipshit that's running the Mets more and more with each passing day. Decade old news, but nice drama. Sheesh. _______________________________ _______________________________ What does the Maddon signing have to do with my stance on the Wilpons? That sentence you stuck in there with my forum handle (bml) was superfluous and didn't add anything to the Maddon story -- other than showing that someone bravo'ing one of my posts also drives you nuts.You could've wrote the same post without the "bml" sentence and your post would've meant the exact same thing. What were you trying to do? Talk bmfc into editing the "Bravo" out of his post? Besides, he was responding to the post, not the poster. I presume that he would have responded with the same "Bravo" remark no matter who wrote that post. No one here thinks the owner's are competent, and we all realize that .... You could say that about anything. We all know how awesome Tom Seaver was, so don't bother writing about that, because what the hell can you tell us about Seaver that we don't already know? Same for everything else .. Lagares's defense, Bartolo's weight, whatever. Since everyone here is already an expert who knows everything about everything, maybe you shouldn't bother to post anything anymore. Funny how that negative fuck you, pay me Wilpon piece that was posted about 10 minutes ago didn't make you have any seizures. I guess with you, it's not the post, it's the poster.

d'Kong76 Nov 01 2014 04:15 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

While some eat up the drama behind [crossout:3rysv556]batmag's[/crossout:3rysv556] hatred of his beloved While some eat up the drama behind some fan's hatred of their beloved Leave me alone, you're starting to creep me out.

d'Kong76 Nov 02 2014 08:08 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Looks like Paul Molitor is going to be Twins manager. http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/281202021.html

Ceetar Nov 03 2014 07:36 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Frayed Knot wrote: Seems that there's a little bit of off-the-record grumbling about the ethics of Maddon (seemingly) ready to jump into a job that's currently occupied. That there are only 30 of these hard to land jobs available, at least some are contending that it's bad form for Maddon to effectively bounce one of his fellow skippers out of the one that he just landed a year ago. Of course he also allowed someone to GET one of those coveted jobs, and one with an arguably better team.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 03 2014 10:59 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

d'Kong76 wrote: Leave me alone, you're starting to creep me out. You've been abusing me for more than six years, even though for most of that time, I barely responded to any of your posts. You're so obsessed with me, that you even make personal comments about me in response to other poster's posts. And this latest instance isn't even the first or second time you pulled that stunt. I think you've got it all mixed up about who should be creeped out by whom. Leave you alone? I did. You still continued with the abuse. You're the one with the problem.

Edgy MD Nov 03 2014 11:50 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Ceetar wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Seems that there's a little bit of off-the-record grumbling about the ethics of Maddon (seemingly) ready to jump into a job that's currently occupied. That there are only 30 of these hard to land jobs available, at least some are contending that it's bad form for Maddon to effectively bounce one of his fellow skippers out of the one that he just landed a year ago. Of course he also allowed someone to GET one of those coveted jobs, and one with an arguably better team. That's one way of looking at it. I don't think fellow managers will see it that way.

Ceetar Nov 03 2014 12:32 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Edgy MD wrote: Ceetar wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Seems that there's a little bit of off-the-record grumbling about the ethics of Maddon (seemingly) ready to jump into a job that's currently occupied. That there are only 30 of these hard to land jobs available, at least some are contending that it's bad form for Maddon to effectively bounce one of his fellow skippers out of the one that he just landed a year ago. Of course he also allowed someone to GET one of those coveted jobs, and one with an arguably better team. That's one way of looking at it. I don't think fellow managers will see it that way. Maybe not. Let them grumble, they're evaluation of their own self-worth is highly overstated. Perhaps they should think about WHY Maddon is coveted.

d'Kong76 Nov 03 2014 12:42 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

And it's official: http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/279631372.html

d'Kong76 Nov 03 2014 12:46 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Leave you alone? I did. You still continued with the abuse. You're the one with the problem. Calling something you posted dramatic is hardly abusive. But no, you have to start in with exploding head and seizures and more drama. This isn't my first rodeo, Zippy. Just leave it be please! For the children!

d'Kong76 Nov 03 2014 01:19 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 03 2014 01:30 PM

Tampering, schmampering... http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/rays/joe- ... ng/2204793

Ceetar Nov 03 2014 01:23 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

d'Kong76 wrote: Tampering, schmapering... http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/rays/joe- ... ng/2204793 first contact was an email asking them to prove their was an opt out? That's sorta out of the blue if you hadn't mentioned to them that there was an opt out right? Sounds to me like everyone knew he was opting out with enough time to discuss it internally in preparation of him actually exercising the opt out. And asking for the contract terms is basically them saying "Hey, yeah, we're interested."

d'Kong76 Nov 03 2014 01:33 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Yeah, I don't think anything will come of it. Slow news day/week.

Edgy MD Nov 03 2014 01:48 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Ceetar's crushing it on the they're/there/there distinctions today. Like he's a giant Russian hockey player checking English into the boards. Fock yoo, standardized written Eeenglish! I keel you!!

Ceetar Nov 03 2014 01:52 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Edgy MD wrote: Ceetar's crushing it on the they're/there/there distinctions today. Like he's a giant Russian hockey player checking English into the boards. Fock yoo, standardized written Eeenglish! I keel you!! I haven't had coffee in 2 weeks and I'm lazy and bored at work today. proofreading? bah.

Edgy MD Nov 03 2014 01:58 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Sorry to bust your balls. I shouldn't have interrupted when you were on the verge of a hat trick. Good luck quitting the joe.

d'Kong76 Nov 03 2014 01:59 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Why are you quitting coffee?

Ceetar Nov 03 2014 02:35 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Edgy MD wrote: Sorry to bust your balls. I shouldn't have interrupted when you were on the verge of a hat trick. Good luck quitting the joe. its alright. it's no worse then anything else. they're are worse crimes. d'Kong76 wrote: Why are you quitting coffee? more of a detox. I hate routine, and i hate that my morning required that I find and consume coffee. Caffeine doesn't have a huge effect on me, at least not consciously, but I was concerned it might be making me more jittery, a poorer sleeper, and perhaps even mentally fuzzy. Seems like most of those concerns were unfounded though, I just feel like i could use a cup of coffee and all the physical addiction factors should be gone by now. But I'd still rather it not dictate my morning, so I'm trying to break the mental routine of "Hey, i'm sitting at my desk in front of the computer and am tired of just water, what's another 0-calorie drink I could have?" that led to me guzzling the stuff.

d'Kong76 Nov 03 2014 02:45 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

I need to cut down on how much I have at once.

Frayed Knot Nov 04 2014 06:18 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 05 2014 06:32 AM

Only the Tampa job remains open. Maybe they'll hire Rich Renteria? TEAM MANAGER SIGNED THRU STATUS METS Terry Collins 2015 + option for '16 BRAVES Fredi Gonzalez 2015 PHILLIES Ryne Sandberg 2016 + option for '17 NATIONALS Matt Williams 2015 + options for ’16 + ’17 MARLINS Mike Redmond 2015 Extended through 2017 CARDINALS Mike Matheny 2017 PIRATES Clint Hurdle 2017 + option for ’18 CUBS [crossout]Rick Renteria[/crossout] Fired Oct 31 Hired Joe Maddon for 2015 - 2019 REDS Bryan Price 2016 BREWERS Ron Roenicke 2015 + option for ‘16 DODGERS Don Mattingly 2016 GIANTS Bruce Bochy 2016 PADRES Bud Black 2015 DBACKS [crossout]Kirk Gibson[/crossout] 2014 -- Fired, Sept 2014 Chip Hale hired for 2015-16 ROCKIES Walt Weiss 2016 RED SOX John Farrell 2016 YANKEES Joe Girardi 2017 ORIOLES Buck Showalter 2018 BLUE JAYS John Gibbons 2015 + option for ‘16 RAYS [crossout]Joe Maddon[/crossout] Mgr Opted out of contract's final year ???? TIGERS Brad Ausmus 2016 + option for ‘17 INDIANS Terry Francona 2016 Extended thru 2018 w/options for '19 + '20 ROYALS Ned Yost 2015 TWINS [crossout]Ron Gardenhire[/crossout] Fired - Sept '14 Hired Paul Molitor - 2015-2017 WHITE SOX Robin Ventura 2014 ANGELS Mike Scioscia 2018 RANGERS [crossout]Ron Washington[/crossout] Resigned Sept 2014 Hired Jeff Banister - 2015-17 + '18 option MARINERS Lloyd McClendon 201? ASTROS [crossout]Bo Porter[/crossout] Fired Sept 2014 AJ Hinch - Hired Sept 2014 ATHLETICS Bob Melvin 2016

MFS62 Nov 04 2014 06:26 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

When I heard that Madden had officially signed (WCBS? WFAN?) the reporter also said that Renteria was offered a different job in the Cubs organization. No word on whether he accepted it. Later

Lefty Specialist Nov 04 2014 06:48 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

"Other job in the organization" means "Keep quiet and we'll keep paying you".

Edgy MD Nov 11 2014 10:26 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Joel Sherman in the New York Post says the Cublicans are being investigated for tampering.

Frayed Knot Dec 05 2014 01:38 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

And now with Tampa's hiring of former big league catcher and, more recently, Cleveland bullpen coach Kevin Cash, MLB has a complete set of managers heading into the 2015 season TEAM MANAGER SIGNED THRU STATUS METS Terry Collins 2015 + option for '16 BRAVES Fredi Gonzalez 2015 PHILLIES Ryne Sandberg 2016 + option for '17 NATIONALS Matt Williams 2015 + options for ’16 + ’17 MARLINS Mike Redmond 2015 Extended through 2017 CARDINALS Mike Matheny 2017 PIRATES Clint Hurdle 2017 + option for ’18 CUBS [crossout]Rick Renteria[/crossout] Fired Oct 31 Hired Joe Maddon for 2015 - 2019 REDS Bryan Price 2016 BREWERS Ron Roenicke 2015 + option for ‘16 DODGERS Don Mattingly 2016 GIANTS Bruce Bochy 2016 PADRES Bud Black 2015 DBACKS [crossout]Kirk Gibson[/crossout] 2014 -- Fired, Sept 2014 Chip Hale hired for 2015-16 ROCKIES Walt Weiss 2016 RED SOX John Farrell 2016 YANKEES Joe Girardi 2017 ORIOLES Buck Showalter 2018 BLUE JAYS John Gibbons 2015 + option for ‘16 RAYS [crossout]Joe Maddon[/crossout] Mgr Opted out of contract's final year Dec 2014 - Hired Kevin Cash TIGERS Brad Ausmus 2016 + option for ‘17 INDIANS Terry Francona 2016 Extended thru 2018 w/options for '19 + '20 ROYALS Ned Yost 2015 TWINS [crossout]Ron Gardenhire[/crossout] Fired - Sept '14 Hired Paul Molitor - 2015-2017 WHITE SOX Robin Ventura 2014 ANGELS Mike Scioscia 2018 RANGERS [crossout]Ron Washington[/crossout] Resigned Sept 2014 Hired Jeff Banister - 2015-17 + '18 option MARINERS Lloyd McClendon 201? ASTROS [crossout]Bo Porter[/crossout] Fired Sept 2014 AJ Hinch - Hired Sept 2014 ATHLETICS Bob Melvin 2016

Edgy MD Dec 06 2014 08:09 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Two things: Ned Yost... how does he not get an extension? Fredi Gonzalez... how up against the wall is that guy?

Ceetar Dec 06 2014 09:18 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

when were all these guys hired? Terry feels like he's getting up there in terms of longest tenured managers.

Gwreck Dec 06 2014 10:40 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Scoscia, Black, Bochy, Showalter and Yost have been with their teams longer than Collins. Terry is among of several managers who started in the 2011 season: his peers in seniority are Fredi Gonzalez with Atlanta, Roenicke, Melvin and Mattingly. (And yes, it is true that of those long-tenured managers, only Black and Collins haven't been to the playoffs since the start of the 2011 season).

Edgy MD Dec 06 2014 10:44 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

I'll take the NL East, of whom Gonazalez is the dean, by about five weeks. TEAM MANAGER SIGNED THRU STATUS Hired METS Terry Collins 2015 + option for '16 11/23/2010 BRAVES Fredi Gonzalez 2015 10/13/2010 PHILLIES Ryne Sandberg 2016 + option for '17 8/16/2013 NATIONALS Matt Williams 2015 + options for ’16 + ’17 10/13/2013 MARLINS Mike Redmond 2015 Extended through 2017 11/1/2012 CARDINALS Mike Matheny 2017 PIRATES Clint Hurdle 2017 + option for ’18 CUBS [crossout]Rick Renteria[/crossout] Fired Oct 31 Hired Joe Maddon for 2015 - 2019 REDS Bryan Price 2016 BREWERS Ron Roenicke 2015 + option for ‘16 DODGERS Don Mattingly 2016 GIANTS Bruce Bochy 2016 PADRES Bud Black 2015 DBACKS [crossout]Kirk Gibson[/crossout] 2014 -- Fired, Sept 2014 Chip Hale hired for 2015-16 ROCKIES Walt Weiss 2016 RED SOX John Farrell 2016 YANKEES Joe Girardi 2017 ORIOLES Buck Showalter 2018 BLUE JAYS John Gibbons 2015 + option for ‘16 RAYS [crossout]Joe Maddon[/crossout] Mgr Opted out of contract's final year Dec 2014 - Hired Kevin Cash TIGERS Brad Ausmus 2016 + option for ‘17 INDIANS Terry Francona 2016 Extended thru 2018 w/options for '19 + '20 ROYALS Ned Yost 2015 TWINS [crossout]Ron Gardenhire[/crossout] Fired - Sept '14 Hired Paul Molitor - 2015-2017 WHITE SOX Robin Ventura 2014 ANGELS Mike Scioscia 2018 RANGERS [crossout]Ron Washington[/crossout] Resigned Sept 2014 Hired Jeff Banister - 2015-17 + '18 option MARINERS Lloyd McClendon 201? ASTROS [crossout]Bo Porter[/crossout] Fired Sept 2014 AJ Hinch - Hired Sept 2014 ATHLETICS Bob Melvin 2016

Frayed Knot Dec 06 2014 11:04 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

TEAM MANAGER SIGNED THRU STATUS Hired METS Terry Collins 2015 + option for '16 11/23/2010 BRAVES Fredi Gonzalez 2015 10/13/2010 PHILLIES Ryne Sandberg 2016 + option for '17 8/16/2013 NATIONALS Matt Williams 2015 + options for ’16 + ’17 10/13/2013 MARLINS Mike Redmond 2015 Extended through 2017 11/1/2012 CARDINALS Mike Matheny 2017 PIRATES Clint Hurdle 2017 + option for ’18 CUBS [crossout]Rick Renteria[/crossout] Fired Oct 31 Hired Joe Maddon for 2015 - 2019 REDS Bryan Price 2016 BREWERS Ron Roenicke 2015 + option for ‘16 DODGERS Don Mattingly 2016 GIANTS Bruce Bochy 2016 PADRES Bud Black 2015 DBACKS [crossout]Kirk Gibson[/crossout] 2014 -- Fired, Sept 2014 Chip Hale hired for 2015-16 ROCKIES Walt Weiss 2016 RED SOX John Farrell 2016 YANKEES Joe Girardi 2017 ORIOLES Buck Showalter 2018 BLUE JAYS John Gibbons 2015 + option for ‘16 RAYS [crossout]Joe Maddon[/crossout] Mgr Opted out of contract's final year Dec 2014 - Hired Kevin Cash TIGERS Brad Ausmus 2016 + option for ‘17 INDIANS Terry Francona 2016 Extended thru 2018 w/options for '19 + '20 ROYALS Ned Yost 2015 TWINS [crossout]Ron Gardenhire[/crossout] Fired - Sept '14 Hired Paul Molitor - 2015-2017 WHITE SOX Robin Ventura 2014 ANGELS Mike Scioscia 2018 Nov 1999 RANGERS [crossout]Ron Washington[/crossout] Resigned Sept 2014 Hired Jeff Banister - 2015-17 + '18 option 10/17/2014 MARINERS Lloyd McClendon 201? 11/7/2013 ASTROS [crossout]Bo Porter[/crossout] Fired Sept 2014 AJ Hinch - Hired Sept 2014 9/29/2014 ATHLETICS Bob Melvin 2016 6/9/2011

Edgy MD Dec 06 2014 11:10 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Scoscia: 11/17/1999.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 06 2014 11:32 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Terry Collins is baseball's oldest manager, and at 65, the only AARP eligible skipper.

Edgy MD Dec 06 2014 12:01 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

I think you may be confusing AARP with Social Security there. Anyone over 50 is eligible for AARP.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 06 2014 12:04 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Edgy MD wrote: I think you may be confusing AARP with Social Security there. Anyone over 50 is eligible for AARP. Yes I did.

Frayed Knot Dec 06 2014 02:36 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

So pre-Terry hires include: Clint Hurlde - one week Ron Roenicke - two weeks Fredi Gonzlez - one month Don Mattingly - two months Buck Showalter - four months Ned Yost - six months Joe Girardi - three years Bruce Bochy & Bud Black - four years and Mike Scioscia - eleven years TEAM MANAGER SIGNED THRU STATUS Hired METS Terry Collins 2015 + option for '16 11/23/2010 BRAVES Fredi Gonzalez 2015 10/13/2010 PHILLIES Ryne Sandberg 2016 + option for '17 8/16/2013 NATIONALS Matt Williams 2015 + options for ’16 + ’17 10/13/2013 MARLINS Mike Redmond 2015 =#FF0000]Extended through 2017 11/1/2012 CARDINALS Mike Matheny 2017 11/20/2013 PIRATES Clint Hurdle 2017 + option for ’18 11/15/2010 CUBS [crossout]Rick Renteria[/crossout] =#FF0000]Fired Oct 31 =#FF0000]Hired Joe Maddon for 2015 - 2019 10/31/2014 REDS Bryan Price 2016 10/22/2013 BREWERS Ron Roenicke 2015 + option for ‘16 11/4/2010 DODGERS Don Mattingly 2016 9/17/2010 GIANTS Bruce Bochy 2016 Oct 2006 PADRES Bud Black 2015 Nov 2006 DBACKS [crossout]Kirk Gibson[/crossout] 2014 -- =#FF0000]Fired, Sept 2014 =#FF0000]Chip Hale hired for 2015-16 10/13/2014 ROCKIES Walt Weiss 2016 11/7/2012 RED SOX John Farrell 2016 10/20/2012 YANKEES Joe Girardi 2017 10/30/2007 ORIOLES Buck Showalter 2018 7/28/2010 BLUE JAYS John Gibbons 2015 + option for ’16 11/20/2012 RAYS [crossout]Joe Maddon[/crossout] =#FF0000]Mgr Opted out of contract's final year =#FF0000]Dec 2014 - Hired Kevin Cash 12/04/2014 TIGERS Brad Ausmus 2016 + option for ’17 11/4/2013 INDIANS Terry Francona 2016 =#FF0000]Extended thru 2018 w/options for '19 + ’20 10/8/2012 ROYALS Ned Yost 2015 5/13/2010 TWINS [crossout]Ron Gardenhire[/crossout] =#FF0000]Fired - Sept '14 =#FF0000]Hired Paul Molitor - 2015-2017 11/4/2014 WHITE SOX Robin Ventura 2014 10/6/2011 ANGELS Mike Scioscia 2018 11/17/1999 RANGERS [crossout]Ron Washington[/crossout] =#FF0000]Resigned Sept 2014 =#FF0000]Hired Jeff Banister - 2015-17 + '18 option 10/17/2014 MARINERS Lloyd McClendon 201? 11/7/2013 ASTROS [crossout]Bo Porter[/crossout] =#FF0000]Fired Sept 2014 =#FF0000]AJ Hinch - Hired Sept 2014 9/29/2014 ATHLETICS Bob Melvin 2016 6/9/2011

Frayed Knot Feb 21 2015 10:13 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Couple of managers get some pre-season votes of confidence from their clubs. Funny how things work in Boston sometimes: Bobby V finishes last - gets fired. Terry Francona finishes last - Gets fired. John Farrell finishes last - gets his contract extended. TEAM MANAGER SIGNED THRU STATUS Hired METS Terry Collins 2015 + option for '16 11/23/2010 BRAVES Fredi Gonzalez 2015 10/13/2010 PHILLIES Ryne Sandberg 2016 + option for '17 8/16/2013 NATIONALS Matt Williams 2015 + options for ’16 + ’17 Option for 2016 picked up 10/13/2013 MARLINS Mike Redmond 2015 Extended through 2017 11/1/2012 CARDINALS Mike Matheny 2017 11/20/2013 PIRATES Clint Hurdle 2017 + option for ’18 11/15/2010 CUBS [crossout]Rick Renteria[/crossout] Fired Oct 31 Hired Joe Maddon for 2015 - 2019 10/31/2014 REDS Bryan Price 2016 10/22/2013 BREWERS Ron Roenicke 2015 + option for ‘16 11/4/2010 DODGERS Don Mattingly 2016 9/17/2010 GIANTS Bruce Bochy 2016 Oct 2006 PADRES Bud Black 2015 Nov 2006 DBACKS [crossout]Kirk Gibson[/crossout] 2014 -- Fired, Sept 2014 Chip Hale hired for 2015-16 10/13/2014 ROCKIES Walt Weiss 2016 11/7/2012 RED SOX John Farrell 2016 Extended thru 2017 10/20/2012 YANKEES Joe Girardi 2017 10/30/2007 ORIOLES Buck Showalter 2018 7/28/2010 BLUE JAYS John Gibbons 2015 + option for ’16 11/20/2012 RAYS [crossout]Joe Maddon[/crossout] Mgr Opted out of contract's final year Dec 2014 - Hired Kevin Cash 12/04/2014 TIGERS Brad Ausmus 2016 + option for ’17 11/4/2013 INDIANS Terry Francona 2016 Extended thru 2018 w/options for '19 + ’20 10/8/2012 ROYALS Ned Yost 2015 5/13/2010 TWINS [crossout]Ron Gardenhire[/crossout] Fired - Sept '14 Hired Paul Molitor - 2015-2017 11/4/2014 WHITE SOX Robin Ventura 2014 10/6/2011 ANGELS Mike Scioscia 2018 11/17/1999 RANGERS [crossout]Ron Washington[/crossout] Resigned Sept 2014 Hired Jeff Banister - 2015-17 + '18 option 10/17/2014 MARINERS Lloyd McClendon 201? 11/7/2013 ASTROS [crossout]Bo Porter[/crossout] Fired Sept 2014 AJ Hinch - Hired Sept 2014 9/29/2014 ATHLETICS Bob Melvin 2016 6/9/2011

Frayed Knot Mar 23 2015 04:52 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

TEAM MANAGER SIGNED THRU STATUS Hired METS Terry Collins 2015 + option for '16 11/23/2010 BRAVES Fredi Gonzalez 2015 10/13/2010 PHILLIES Ryne Sandberg 2016 + option for '17 8/16/2013 NATIONALS Matt Williams 2015 + options for ’16 + ’17 Option for 2016 picked up 10/13/2013 MARLINS Mike Redmond 2015 Extended through 2017 11/1/2012 CARDINALS Mike Matheny 2017 11/20/2013 PIRATES Clint Hurdle 2017 + option for ’18 11/15/2010 CUBS [crossout]Rick Renteria[/crossout] Fired Oct 31 Hired Joe Maddon for 2015 - 2019 10/31/2014 REDS Bryan Price 2016 10/22/2013 BREWERS Ron Roenicke 2015 + option for ‘16 Option for 2016 picked up 11/4/2010 DODGERS Don Mattingly 2016 9/17/2010 GIANTS Bruce Bochy 2016 Oct 2006 PADRES Bud Black 2015 Nov 2006 DBACKS [crossout]Kirk Gibson[/crossout] 2014 -- Fired, Sept 2014 Chip Hale hired for 2015-16 10/13/2014 ROCKIES Walt Weiss 2016 11/7/2012 RED SOX John Farrell 2016 Extended thru 2017 10/20/2012 YANKEES Joe Girardi 2017 10/30/2007 ORIOLES Buck Showalter 2018 7/28/2010 BLUE JAYS John Gibbons 2015 + option for ’16 11/20/2012 RAYS [crossout]Joe Maddon[/crossout] Mgr Opted out of contract's final year Dec 2014 - Hired Kevin Cash 12/04/2014 TIGERS Brad Ausmus 2016 + option for ’17 11/4/2013 INDIANS Terry Francona 2016 Extended thru 2018 w/options for '19 + ’20 10/8/2012 ROYALS Ned Yost 2015 5/13/2010 TWINS [crossout]Ron Gardenhire[/crossout] Fired - Sept '14 Hired Paul Molitor - 2015-2017 11/4/2014 WHITE SOX Robin Ventura 2014 10/6/2011 ANGELS Mike Scioscia 2018 11/17/1999 RANGERS [crossout]Ron Washington[/crossout] Resigned Sept 2014 Hired Jeff Banister - 2015-17 + '18 option 10/17/2014 MARINERS Lloyd McClendon 201? 11/7/2013 ASTROS [crossout]Bo Porter[/crossout] Fired Sept 2014 AJ Hinch - Hired Sept 2014 9/29/2014 ATHLETICS Bob Melvin 2016 6/9/2011 The Twins (Paul Molitor) vs Phils (Ryne Sandberg) ST game today was the first time that HoF players have faced off against each other as managers. Surprising, to me anyway, that this has apparently never happened in the regular season before - and won't this year either with no Philly/Minny games on the sked. Maybe next year if both survive that long.

Edgy MD Mar 23 2015 06:57 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

I imagine future Hall of Fame players have faced off against each other. And certainly guys who would have been in the Hall of Fame as players had it existed have faced off against each other. Trying to find an overlooked precedent. Ted Williams faced Bob Lemon, but before Lemon joined the Hall of Fame. Bob Lemon faced Frank Robinson, but before Robbie joined the Hall of Fame.

Frayed Knot May 04 2015 06:15 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

So the last update on this chart was for the Brewers picking up manager Ron Roenicke's option for 2016. But that's not looking like such a smart business move right now as the Brewers canned Roenicke on Sunday night just 25 games into the season. It's almost hard to remember now that the Beermakers were as much as 5-1/2 games in 1st place in mid-June of the '14 season. But, between the 2nd half of last season and the early part of this one, they're 38-64 since July 1st, 16-35 since September 1st, and 7-18 this year. Former Brewer (and Rockie, and Marlin, and DBack, and Dodger) Craig Counsell is expected to be named as the replacement. He's been in the Milwaukee front office although has no managing or even coaching experience. TEAM MANAGER SIGNED THRU STATUS Hired METS Terry Collins 2015 + option for '16 11/23/2010 BRAVES Fredi Gonzalez 2015 10/13/2010 PHILLIES Ryne Sandberg 2016 + option for '17 8/16/2013 NATIONALS Matt Williams 2015 + options for ’16 + ’17 Option for 2016 picked up 10/13/2013 MARLINS Mike Redmond 2015 Extended through 2017 11/1/2012 CARDINALS Mike Matheny 2017 11/20/2013 PIRATES Clint Hurdle 2017 + option for ’18 11/15/2010 CUBS Joe Maddon 2019 10/31/2014 REDS Bryan Price 2016 10/22/2013 BREWERS Ron Roenicke 2015 + option for ‘16 Option for 2016 picked up - Fired 5/3/15 11/4/2010 DODGERS Don Mattingly 2016 9/17/2010 GIANTS Bruce Bochy 2016 Oct 2006 PADRES Bud Black 2015 Nov 2006 DBACKS Chip Hale 2016 10/13/2014 ROCKIES Walt Weiss 2016 11/7/2012 RED SOX John Farrell 2016 Extended thru 2017 10/20/2012 YANKEES Joe Girardi 2017 10/30/2007 ORIOLES Buck Showalter 2018 7/28/2010 BLUE JAYS John Gibbons 2015 + option for ’16 11/20/2012 RAYS Kevin Cash 12/04/2014 TIGERS Brad Ausmus 2016 + option for ’17 11/4/2013 INDIANS Terry Francona 2016 Extended thru 2018 w/options for '19 + ’20 10/8/2012 ROYALS Ned Yost 2015 5/13/2010 TWINS Paul Molitor 2017 11/4/2014 WHITE SOX Robin Ventura 2014 10/6/2011 ANGELS Mike Scioscia 2018 11/17/1999 RANGERS Jeff Banister 2017 10/17/2014 MARINERS Lloyd McClendon 201? 11/7/2013 ASTROS AJ Hinch 9/29/2014 ATHLETICS Bob Melvin 2016 6/9/2011

MFS62 May 04 2015 07:06 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Frayed Knot wrote: So the last update on this chart was for the Brewers picking up manager Ron Roenicke's option for 2016. But that's not looking like such a smart business move right now as the Brewers canned Roenicke on Sunday night just 25 games into the season. And I had the over. Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 04 2015 04:45 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Frayed Knot Jun 15 2015 04:57 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

MLB, still keeping the Black man down after all these years TEAM MANAGER SIGNED THRU STATUS Hired METS Terry Collins 2015 + option for '16 11/23/2010 BRAVES Fredi Gonzalez 2015 10/13/2010 PHILLIES Ryne Sandberg 2016 + option for '17 8/16/2013 NATIONALS Matt Williams 2015 + options for ’16 + ’17 Option for 2016 picked up 10/13/2013 MARLINS Mike Redmond 2015 Extended through 2017 11/1/2012 CARDINALS Mike Matheny 2017 11/20/2013 PIRATES Clint Hurdle 2017 + option for ’18 11/15/2010 CUBS Joe Maddon 2019 10/31/2014 REDS Bryan Price 2016 10/22/2013 BREWERS Ron Roenicke 2015 + option for ‘16 Option for 2016 picked up - Fired 5/3/15 11/4/2010 DODGERS Don Mattingly 2016 9/17/2010 GIANTS Bruce Bochy 2016 Oct 2006 PADRES Bud Black 2015 Fired 6/15 - Dave Roberts promoted Nov 2006 DBACKS Chip Hale 2016 10/13/2014 ROCKIES Walt Weiss 2016 11/7/2012 RED SOX John Farrell 2016 Extended thru 2017 10/20/2012 YANKEES Joe Girardi 2017 10/30/2007 ORIOLES Buck Showalter 2018 7/28/2010 BLUE JAYS John Gibbons 2015 + option for ’16 11/20/2012 RAYS Kevin Cash 2019 12/04/2014 TIGERS Brad Ausmus 2016 + option for ’17 11/4/2013 INDIANS Terry Francona 2016 Extended thru 2018 w/options for '19 + ’20 10/8/2012 ROYALS Ned Yost 2015 5/13/2010 TWINS Paul Molitor 2017 11/4/2014 WHITE SOX Robin Ventura 2014 10/6/2011 ANGELS Mike Scioscia 2018 11/17/1999 RANGERS Jeff Banister 2017 10/17/2014 MARINERS Lloyd McClendon 201? 11/7/2013 ASTROS AJ Hinch 2017 + '18 option 9/29/2014 ATHLETICS Bob Melvin 2016 6/9/2011

Frayed Knot Jun 26 2015 01:56 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

When the going gets tough ... Quit! TEAM MANAGER SIGNED THRU STATUS Hired METS Terry Collins 2015 + option for '16 11/23/2010 BRAVES Fredi Gonzalez 2015 10/13/2010 PHILLIES Ryne Sandberg 2016 + option for '17 Resigned 6/26/15 - Pete MacKanin interim replacement 8/16/2013 NATIONALS Matt Williams 2015 + options for ’16 + ’17 Option for 2016 picked up 10/13/2013 MARLINS Mike Redmond 2015 Extended through 2017 11/1/2012 CARDINALS Mike Matheny 2017 11/20/2013 PIRATES Clint Hurdle 2017 + option for ’18 11/15/2010 CUBS Joe Maddon 2019 10/31/2014 REDS Bryan Price 2016 10/22/2013 BREWERS Ron Roenicke 2015 + option for ‘16 Option for 2016 picked up - Fired 5/3/15 11/4/2010 DODGERS Don Mattingly 2016 9/17/2010 GIANTS Bruce Bochy 2016 Oct 2006 PADRES Bud Black 2015 Fired 6/15 - Pat Murphy hired Nov 2006 DBACKS Chip Hale 2016 10/13/2014 ROCKIES Walt Weiss 2016 11/7/2012 RED SOX John Farrell 2016 Extended thru 2017 10/20/2012 YANKEES Joe Girardi 2017 10/30/2007 ORIOLES Buck Showalter 2018 7/28/2010 BLUE JAYS John Gibbons 2015 + option for ’16 11/20/2012 RAYS Kevin Cash 2019 12/04/2014 TIGERS Brad Ausmus 2016 + option for ’17 11/4/2013 INDIANS Terry Francona 2016 Extended thru 2018 w/options for '19 + ’20 10/8/2012 ROYALS Ned Yost 2015 5/13/2010 TWINS Paul Molitor 2017 11/4/2014 WHITE SOX Robin Ventura 2014 10/6/2011 ANGELS Mike Scioscia 2018 11/17/1999 RANGERS Jeff Banister 2017 10/17/2014 MARINERS Lloyd McClendon 201? 11/7/2013 ASTROS AJ Hinch 2017 + '18 option 9/29/2014 ATHLETICS Bob Melvin 2016 6/9/2011

Rockin' Doc Jun 26 2015 06:45 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I'd fire Terry if a big difference maker became available, but I doubt that there are any potential managers who could clearly fit that description. Given the Mets anemic offense, I'm not sure that any manager could be a difference maker, unless their name is Merlin.

Edgy MD Jun 26 2015 07:09 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

It's hard to quantify what a big difference-maker of a manager looks like.

Rockin' Doc Jun 26 2015 07:13 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Edgy MD wrote: It's hard to quantify what a big difference-maker of a manager looks like. Agreed.

Edgy MD Jun 26 2015 07:19 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

I think they're out there. Managers who make a difference. But I don't know who they are. And so we mistake big names from big winning teams as big difference makers. Francona wasn't missed when he left Philadelphia, but somehow he was gold in Boston. Either that or they were just two different teams in two different positions, which is more likely. But that's not to say Terry didn't make a difference. Hard.

Ashie62 Jul 02 2015 11:38 AM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

I wish the Mets could hire Earl Weaver. .583 regular season winning pct.

Rockin' Doc Jul 02 2015 08:55 PM Re: 2014-2015 Manager Shuffle

Can Weaver hit? Earl tended to eschew small ball and manufacturing runs in hopes of landing the 3 run homer. I don't think his managerial style would work with the current Mets team as the seldom have runners on base and they rarely hit home runs, so the 3 run home run would likely be exceedingly rare.