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Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 08 2014 11:59 AM

It bears noting, I think, that in the face of peaceful-- if vocal-- demonstrations the other day regarding the Ferguson situation, the Best Fans in Baseball were in fine fettle. At about 10:25 a small blonde lady starts yelling at the protesters: "We're the ones who gave all y'all the freedoms that you have!" At 14:54, the Cardinals fans start in on a very loud "USA! USA! USA!" chant. At 16:07, another Cardinals fan begins yelling at the protesters, telling them that they need to get jobs. At 16:43, a female Cardinals fan begins chanting "Africa! Africa! Africa!" at the protesters.

Ashie62 Oct 08 2014 12:11 PM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

I'm sorry, this made me laugh. At 8:10 one of the Cardinals fans calls one of the protesters a "crack head" and tells him he needs to go see a dentist. People are people, good, bad or indifferent.

d'Kong76 Oct 08 2014 01:37 PM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

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Ceetar Oct 08 2014 01:46 PM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

he did 4 after the WC playin game. I almost want them to win now just to see if he can do 7.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 08 2014 02:13 PM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

Nothing bad has ever happened to the Cardinals. Can you think of one? Darryl Kile, maybe. Although I think of him as an Astro. Their version of suffering is seeing a potential home run go foul or something. Fuck them!!!!

Edgy MD Oct 08 2014 02:19 PM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

I tend to think of a dozen DWIs in a row as something bad, topped off with the death of Josh Hancock. I know Hancock isn't Lou Brock or anything, but the lowliness of killing himself in an under-the-influence accident, crashing into the back of a stationary wrecker, is pretty dramatic.

d'Kong76 Oct 08 2014 02:23 PM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

The Coleman/Tarp incident is the only thing that pops into my head right off.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 08 2014 03:00 PM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

Cards tragedy with a Met connection: While a member of their organization, Cards minor leaguer and future Met Johnny Lewis's wife and mother of their two children, was killed in a car accident. She was 22.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 08 2014 03:10 PM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Cards tragedy with a Met connection: While a member of their organization, Cards minor leaguer and future Met Johnny Lewis's wife and mother of their two children, was killed in a car accident. She was 22. Here's another Cards tragedy with a Met connection: Cards trade perennial MVP candidate superstar who's also the greatest fielding first baseman in baseball history to the Mets for two barely memorable pitchers.

SteveJRogers Oct 08 2014 03:29 PM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

Cards tragedy with a Met connection: While a member of their organization, Cards minor leaguer and future Met Johnny Lewis's wife and mother of their two children, was killed in a car accident. She was 22. Here's another Cards tragedy with a Met connection: Cards trade perennial MVP candidate superstar who's also the greatest fielding first baseman in baseball history to the Mets for two barely memorable pitchers. You MIGHT not want to use that phrase connecting a bad trade with the passing of a guy's wife. As for the second bolded statement. Rick Ownbey yes, but Neil Allen? Guy was the Met closer for much of the early 1980s and featured heavily on official publications. Hard to call him barely memorable even if his accomplishments were soon to be eclipsed by Orosco, McDowell, Myers, Franco, et al. Oh sure he falls off the map after the trade, ironically IIRC alcohol abuse was among the culprits since Hernandez was sent packing due to his love of the white powder, and bounces around a bit, but barely memorable is a bit harsh of a label to stick on him.

Ashie62 Oct 08 2014 03:36 PM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

Cards tragedy with a Met connection: While a member of their organization, Cards minor leaguer and future Met Johnny Lewis's wife and mother of their two children, was killed in a car accident. She was 22. Here's another Cards tragedy with a Met connection: Cards trade perennial MVP candidate superstar who's also the greatest fielding first baseman in baseball history to the Mets for two barely memorable pitchers. Screw Neil Allen, I was the key!

dinosaur jesus Oct 08 2014 03:42 PM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

batmagadanleadoff wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: Here's another Cards tragedy with a Met connection: Cards trade perennial MVP candidate superstar who's also the greatest fielding first baseman in baseball history to the Mets for two barely memorable pitchers. And another one: Cards trade their former MVP, future Hall of Fame corner infielder, who's still got a .300 season left in him, for a couple of relief pitchers, one of them washed up and the other never any good. At first base the next year they're forced to play a big-headed rookie who hits .250 with no power, and they go from a game and half out of first place the previous year to nineteen games out, tied with the Mets. I don't know how Bing Devine kept his job after that one.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 08 2014 03:47 PM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

Cards tragedy with a Met connection: While a member of their organization, Cards minor leaguer and future Met Johnny Lewis's wife and mother of their two children, was killed in a car accident. She was 22. Here's another Cards tragedy with a Met connection: Cards trade perennial MVP candidate superstar who's also the greatest fielding first baseman in baseball history to the Mets for two barely memorable pitchers. You MIGHT not want to use that phrase connecting a bad trade with the passing of a guy's wife. Yes I do. As for the second bolded statement. Rick Ownbey yes, but Neil Allen? Guy was the Met closer for much of the early 1980s and featured heavily on official publications. Blah blah blah blah Ownbey blah blah Allen. Hey kid, just lemme have my fun, willya kid?

SteveJRogers Oct 08 2014 03:55 PM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

Here's another Cards tragedy with a Met connection: Cards trade perennial MVP candidate superstar who's also the greatest fielding first baseman in baseball history to the Mets for two barely memorable pitchers. And another one: Cards trade their former MVP, future Hall of Fame corner infielder, who's still got a .300 season left in him, for a couple of relief pitchers, one of them washed up and the other never any good. At first base the next year they're forced to play a big-headed rookie who hits .250 with no power, and they go from a game and half out of first place the previous year to nineteen games out, tied with the Mets. I don't know how Bing Devine kept his job after that one. Geez, you sound like an internet troll bashing that kid like that! On the flip side...ehh...Torre did have one solid year left in him (FWIW, I wouldn't tap him future HOFer since he's in only due to his Mgr career) but yeah, I can see the trade being considered bad for the RedBirds as they could have gotten more for him.

SteveJRogers Oct 08 2014 03:58 PM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

batmagadanleadoff wrote: SteveJRogers wrote: As for the second bolded statement. Rick Ownbey yes, but Neil Allen? Guy was the Met closer for much of the early 1980s and featured heavily on official publications. Blah blah blah blah Ownbey blah blah Allen. Hey kid, just lemme have my fun, willya kid? LOL! Just don't dismiss Doug Flynn in the same way in regards to the Seaver trade around here =;) But, just so we are clear on Allen's place among the early 1980s Mets... =;)

Ashie62 Oct 08 2014 04:10 PM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

Thing I remember most about Neil Allen is the full Daily News backpage of Allen and the headline was something like "I'm a drunk." I found a 1990 Chicago Tribune article of Neil Allen interviewed by Michael Kay. I did not know it had gotten that bad for Neil. A rough read. [url]http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1990-03-18/sports/9001230582_1_rickey-henderson-camp-in-plant-city-problem.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 08 2014 04:15 PM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

Jeez, he was one of seven barely recognizable Bill Gallo figures on the cover of the Mets '81 yearbook. That's practically Nobel Peace Prize cache. And what happened to Bob Gibson? And why the hell is everyone in a cloud? I don't get it.

SteveJRogers Oct 08 2014 04:31 PM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

Look, I'm not advocating the Mets put him into their HOF, but the point is Allen was far from being some obscure hurler with a few 1982-1983 appearances while riding the shuttle from either Tidewater or the DL that thrown into a deal for Keith Hernandez. 1) He was well thought of enough that he was on the ballot for the Mets 40th anniversary team (as voted by fans) as a righty reliever with Roger McDowell, Armando Benitez and Skip Lockwood. I don't know the voting breakdown, but based on Benitez' standing as a Met in 2002, I'd imagine he snuck in a distant second place finish behind McDowell. 2) Same 4 guys appeared ten years later on the 50th anniversary team ballot, this time voted on by a panel of Metly experts. McDowell still picked up the nod, BUT he was still considered among the better right handed relievers in team history (not saying much, but still). Hence, hardly a guy you can dismiss as "barely memorable."

batmagadanleadoff Oct 08 2014 04:44 PM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

I remember Neil Allen. Really I do.

TransMonk Oct 08 2014 05:57 PM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Nothing bad has ever happened to the Cardinals. Can you think of one?

d'Kong76 Oct 08 2014 06:09 PM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

D'oh, guess we blocked that big lug out!

Ashie62 Oct 08 2014 07:25 PM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

Wow, yeah that sucked azzz.

dinosaur jesus Oct 08 2014 07:33 PM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

SteveJRogers Oct 08 2014 07:38 PM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

Ah yes, there was that! Didn't Tudor bust his hand punching a fan (air blowing one) after that game?

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2014 06:52 AM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 09 2014 07:33 AM

Neil Allen: 65th best Met of all time - but looks like he could be passed by Lucas Duda this year.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 09 2014 07:14 AM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

TransMonk wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Nothing bad has ever happened to the Cardinals. Can you think of one? I don't see how this made their fans suffer. They went and rehired that douche. They all love him and only hate those other two.

Ceetar Oct 09 2014 07:31 AM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

sure, guy broke the home run record and entertained them for years. Granted, didn't win a WS but still, definitely in the good column.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 09 2014 07:39 AM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

Edgy MD wrote: I tend to think of a dozen DWIs in a row as something bad, topped off with the death of Josh Hancock. I know Hancock isn't Lou Brock or anything, but the lowliness of killing himself in an under-the-influence accident, crashing into the back of a stationary wrecker, is pretty dramatic. Yeah that sucked but he was a 2006 Cardinal and so will always be held in high regard by the Greatest Fans In Baseball.

TransMonk Oct 09 2014 07:42 AM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

Maybe. I just know that if it were Piazza (or any other Met) that avoided the questions from Congress in order to not call himself out as a liar, I would have been embarrassed.

Ceetar Oct 09 2014 07:57 AM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

TransMonk wrote: Maybe. I just know that if it were Piazza (or any other Met) that avoided the questions from Congress in order to not call himself out as a liar, I would have been embarrassed. I like to think I would've just rolled my eyes even harder. Besides, the writers, collectively, are basically treating Piazza like he did.

Edgy MD Oct 09 2014 07:59 AM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

Finding out for a fact Mike Piazza used illegal PEDs in the nineties and beyond < watching Mike Piazza openly defy Congress in a sad attempt to save his pathetic skin Mathematical fact.

Ceetar Oct 09 2014 08:06 AM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

Edgy MD wrote: Finding out for a fact Mike Piazza used illegal PEDs in the nineties and beyond < watching Mike Piazza openly defy Congress in a sad attempt to save his pathetic skin Mathematical fact. Fuck Congress. Stay out of baseball. I fully support lying to Congress to save your skin.

Edgy MD Oct 09 2014 08:10 AM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

That's weird.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 09 2014 08:31 AM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

Even the footiest pajama-ed of us in our heart of hearts strongly suspects that Piazza doped at an Armstrongian level and yet he's still largely a good experience for us fans on balance. Embarassing if we had to uncover it and all, but it was what it was. What the Cardinals deserve is a good 2007 or 2008 experience, followed by, say, a 2009-2014 experience.

Ashie62 Oct 09 2014 08:54 AM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

Mike Piazza was able to carry the Mets on his back during some long winning streaks. I am a hyprocrite because I don't really care how he went fitness and nutrition.

SteveJRogers Oct 09 2014 09:09 AM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

TransMonk wrote: Maybe. I just know that if it were Piazza (or any other Met) that avoided the questions from Congress in order to not call himself out as a liar, I would have been embarrassed. What Monk said. IIRC, there was a lot of feelings that he just was a big disingenuous creep, and distraction, among Cardinal Nation at the height of his nation wide popularity. A lot of "24 and 1" sort of feelings, like what MFYLD have with ARod, even before the first wave of allegations and failed tests. Ashie wrote: Mike Piazza was able to carry the Mets on his back during some long winning streaks. Something McGwire actually didn't quite do as a RedBird, especially in postseason play, where the best run the Cards had during his years, he was on the DL and Will Clark was at first. So that probably adds to the acrimony of the fanbase towards him.

G-Fafif Oct 09 2014 10:39 AM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

Dizzy Dean's brilliant career derailed In 1937, Dean was pitching for the National League in the All-Star game. Earl Averill from the Indians, was batting for the American League. Averill hit a comebacker that hit Dean’s foot, fracturing his toe.* * “Fractured. Hell, the damn thing’s broken!” Dizzy responded. I love that quote. Almost as good as Gomer Hodges, after going 4-for-4 to start his big league career, stating, “Gollee, fellas, I’m hitting 4.000”. It was this toe injury that led to Dean’s injury-shortened career. While still nursing a sore foot, Dean resumed pitching. The soreness caused him to change his pitching mechanics, leading to the shoulder and arm problems that Dean was never able to fully overcome, leading to his retirement in 1941.* * Apparently Dizzy learned from his mistake. In his one-game comeback in 1948, he pitched four shutout innings before hurting his hamstring running out a single. He took himself out and stated he was done.

G-Fafif Oct 09 2014 10:48 AM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

1973: Led N.L. East by five games on August 5. Lost Bob Gibson to injury (against the Mets). Still in first place as late as September 11. Fell behind Pirates. Eventually both fell behind Mets. 1974: Led N.L. East by 2 1/2 games on September 17. Lost division to Pirates by 1 1/2. 1981: Had best record for totality of season, but didn't finish first in either first or second half, which is what ya had to do in a year rent asunder by strike. Cardinals go home and watch Phillies play Expos in the first NLDS. Plus Game Seven losses in 1968, 1985, 1987, 1996 and 2012, all after leading those series (four by 3-1 before losing three straight). Stuff has happened. Just not enough.

Edgy MD Oct 09 2014 10:48 AM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

Going off on a tangent here: Is there something to perhaps be said for the notion that maybe it is merely speculation (informed speculation, but still speculation) that the toe injury led to arm problems, while history has accepted it as an established fact? I mean, the arm is still a mystery to us today. How much did we really know back during World War II?

G-Fafif Oct 09 2014 11:08 AM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

Edgy MD wrote: How much did we really know back during World War II? Enough to defeat fascism.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 12 2014 10:44 AM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

Cards tragedy with a Met connection: While a member of their organization, Cards minor leaguer and future Met Johnny Lewis's wife and mother of their two children, was killed in a car accident. She was 22. Here's another Cards tragedy with a Met connection: Cards trade perennial MVP candidate superstar who's also the greatest fielding first baseman in baseball history to the Mets for two barely memorable pitchers. As for the second bolded statement. Rick Ownbey yes, but Neil Allen? Guy was the Met closer for much of the early 1980s Oh yeah, big shot? How many runs did ol' Neil Allen drive in for the Mets?

SteveJRogers Oct 12 2014 10:50 AM Re: Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

Cards tragedy with a Met connection: While a member of their organization, Cards minor leaguer and future Met Johnny Lewis's wife and mother of their two children, was killed in a car accident. She was 22. Here's another Cards tragedy with a Met connection: Cards trade perennial MVP candidate superstar who's also the greatest fielding first baseman in baseball history to the Mets for two barely memorable pitchers. As for the second bolded statement. Rick Ownbey yes, but Neil Allen? Guy was the Met closer for much of the early 1980s Oh yeah, big shot? How many runs did ol' Neil Allen drive in for the Mets?