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WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season
batmagadanleadoff Oct 23 2014 10:24 AM |
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Because the Mets don't have enough of those.
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/baseba ... -1.1984031
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Edgy MD Oct 23 2014 10:29 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
Provides right-handed cover at first, too.
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Ashie62 Oct 23 2014 10:37 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
I'm in.
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Frayed Knot Oct 23 2014 10:59 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
"Because the Mets don't have enough of those."
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d'Kong76 Oct 23 2014 11:00 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
I can't see a guy who managed to play only 49 games
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Ceetar Oct 23 2014 11:02 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
eh, martino.
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TransMonk Oct 23 2014 11:08 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
I like Cuddyer a lot as a FA pickup...as long as he's not sold by management as the total solution for a winning season in 2015.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 23 2014 11:09 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
Fits their needs in several ways, was a legit consideration whether or not Trackie said so. I like him.
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Edgy MD Oct 23 2014 11:16 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
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I certainly don't see Alderson coughing that up.
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d'Kong76 Oct 23 2014 11:17 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
One year, club option for a second.
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Frayed Knot Oct 23 2014 11:17 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Oct 23 2014 11:31 AM |
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Is also just a year removed from a 500 AB season where he hit (a Coors-aided) .331/.389/.570 Yeah, you'd need to satisfy yourself that the 2014 injury problems weren't likely to linger. But he'd seem to work well is RF (moving Grandy to LF) for at least one season (particularly if semi-platooned with the likes of a Nieuwenhuis or MdD) plus, as mentioned, the occasional fill-in at 1B vs LHP. Could even play 3B in a pinch.
Under some regimes I'd agree with this. But I think even those reluctant to give Sandy credit for much would have to give him points for the willingness to walk away from a price too high (or long) as opposed to those days when NYM mgmt would decide what they wanted first then agree to whatever the cost it took to get it no matter where they went. If he wants more than two years then go in a different direction.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 23 2014 11:17 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
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I can't get any exaggeration past you.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 23 2014 01:05 PM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
There is money available, or should be. I can think of worse places to spend it.
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Zvon Oct 23 2014 02:05 PM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
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I wouldn't mind him as a side dish, but he's not the answer to our problems.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 23 2014 02:21 PM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
I like Cuddyer, but not head over heels like. But this is where the Mets shop these days, so I understand. Because the Mets are like the Royals. Only without the pennant. And the snazzy scoreboard.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 23 2014 02:27 PM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
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No, that wasn't true. Actually, I'm indifferent to Cuddyer. I don't know why I wrote otherwise.
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Vic Sage Oct 23 2014 03:17 PM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
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this. i've always liked him as a player. i wouldn't mind having him in our OF next year. He's not the difference between a losing team and a winning team, and if Wright and Grandy don't come around next season, Cuddyer won't matter, but he can be helpful if the pitching is where we think it is, and some of the other guys start hitting again. He won't put up Coors numbers at CitiField (even with the fences pulled in) but he could put up a line of .270/20hr/30 doubles/ 90r/80rbi with an .800 OPS, and he could platoon some in RF, and spell Duda and Grandy against tough LHPs. A useful piece, not a centerpiece.
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seawolf17 Oct 23 2014 05:40 PM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
He's a good fit. A deal somewhere between Chris Young and Bartolo Colon makes sense. I think having him here will benefit David too.
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Lefty Specialist Oct 23 2014 08:25 PM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
No, no, no. No more Band-aids. Get a real hitter or don't bother at all.
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Edgy MD Oct 23 2014 08:40 PM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
I don't tend to think of acquiring Cuddyer necessarily comes with a "but no one better than this" caveat.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 24 2014 12:23 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
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Who's your huckleberry, then? The even health-balkier Hanley? Melky Cabrera? The positionless Nelson Cruz, or Victor Martinez? Righty pop with competence at 3(-plus, historically) positions on a reasonable 2 year deal (in all likelihood)? Si, se puede.
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Lefty Specialist Oct 24 2014 06:56 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
My huckleberry? I want someone else's decent-hitting right-fielder or shortstop. And if that means we have to trade a decent pitcher (or two) to do it, then fine. I understand that a Gee or a Colon way not bring that player back, so we may have to take a chance with one of the other arms. Yes, it may come back to bite us. But I want to try to do something to shake up this team. Cuddyer is not that person. He's the guy you add AFTER you add that other guy.
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Edgy MD Oct 24 2014 07:20 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
I don't know what the price tag is or what other maneuvers might come. All I think is that they're a better team with him than without him.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 24 2014 07:46 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
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Similarity score: 99.9999998 %
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Ceetar Oct 24 2014 07:52 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
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Indeed. He's certainly worth a look and a discussion. There ARE probably a half dozen other guys with similar usefulness though. He's hardly the most singular or necessarily best choice. years, money, etc.
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Lefty Specialist Oct 24 2014 08:09 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
First of all, I do think they'll get him, because it's the kind of move this franchise makes. And they will be marginally better because he'll probably be better than the enormous offensive sinkhole that was left field last year. Frankly, it'd be hard to be any worse. We'll all pray that he'll be more like Marlon Byrd and less like Chris Young.
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Madoff's Mets Oct 24 2014 08:09 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
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This.
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Edgy MD Oct 24 2014 08:22 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
I don't need a deal to make me say "Holy shit!" I've been around long enough to know that "Holy shit!" deals turn out to be "Shit!" deals as often as not. I appreciate a focus on wining ballgames, rather than offseason back pages.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 24 2014 09:23 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
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I'm gonna flip flop again on Cuddyer. I mean, if he's gonna hit as well as Sage thinks he could, and come as cheap as Leiter thinks he'll likely cost, then yeah, I'm all for it. Even better yet if Cuddyer's gonna hit 40 HR's next year instead of the 20 he's being pegged at. And if he wins the 2015 MVP, then put me down for two thumbs up.
How're you figgerin'? Are you counting the money that might be freed up if Colon or Murphy or both are jettisoned? Did you get an inside tip from Matt Cerrone? Are you sayin' that the 2015 opening day payroll will be meaningfully greater than 2014's? Because factoring in conservative arb-eligible salary increases, the Mets are already pretty much where they opened last year.
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TransMonk Oct 24 2014 09:29 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
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Not a direct marketing campaign, but it did "leak" that Sandy thought that GRANDERSON + YOUNG - HARVEY= 90 WINS last spring. Still, I really like Cuddyer as a piece because he could fit multiple secondary needs, provide depth and (because he is a FA) require less risk than a trade of one of our valuable arms.
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Edgy MD Oct 24 2014 09:37 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
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I don't think it leaked. Sandy openly challenged his team to win 90, insisting the talent was there. He did not link it to one acquisition, though, and I wouldn't expect anybody in baseball to tag Cuddyer as a total solution for anything. Regarding salary, since they opened last year, they've shed Ike Davis and Chris Young, and for what it's worth, Bobby Abreu, Kyle F. Farnsworth, Jose Valverde, John Lannan, and probably Omar Quintanilla, and Daisuke Matsuzaka. Some of that money will get gobbled up by raises, certainly, but some should be left over. And some money will likely be available for re-allocation if and when they clear up their six-man starting rotation --- possibly to pay the salary of whoever they get when they do that clearing up.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 24 2014 09:55 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
Who cares how they might market Cuddyer if they actually got him? How does that matter?
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TransMonk Oct 24 2014 10:25 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
It's not about marketing Cuddyer, but rather management possibly implying that any one move is the only or best move.
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Ceetar Oct 24 2014 10:31 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
I mean, the Mets aren't going make only one move regardless.
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TransMonk Oct 24 2014 10:48 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
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In my heart, I believe and hope this to be true...but this statement is not a certainty. Presumed health and internal roster machinations haven't gotten the job done over the past 6 years. Am I being greedy for wanting more than a handful of extra wins?
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Lefty Specialist Oct 24 2014 11:09 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
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Agreed. My concern is that they'll pick up Cuddyer and call it a day on offensive additions. And if he gets injured or gets his ears caught in a mechanical rice picker, well, we're right back to healthy servings of den Dekker & Nieuwenhuis. I'd like Cuddyer, if they get him, to be a better-hitting Eric Campbell, playing all over the place to give Wright, Duda, Granderson et al a rest. That means you still need to add an everyday outfielder. But the FO won't look at it that way. He'll be the every day left or right fielder. And that's my concern; just like they played Chris Young every day because they paid him a lot of money, they'll play Cuddyer every day to justify the expenditure. I want this roster shaken up a little more than just adding a 36-year-old FA.
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Ceetar Oct 24 2014 11:12 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
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Has there ever been a season where the 12 of the 13ish offensive players from last year return for next year?
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Edgy MD Oct 24 2014 11:38 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
I'll give it a shot.
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Ceetar Oct 24 2014 11:43 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
And those were good teams!
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 24 2014 12:14 PM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
I'll go out on a limb and say it, and I don't think I'm being overly optimistic or unrealistic: on a team with the Mets' pitching/outfield defense, the Cuddyers of the world-- plus 1 or 2 more additions like him, anyway-- will likely be the difference between making the playoffs and not making the playoffs.
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86-Dreamer Oct 24 2014 02:01 PM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
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Based on historical dWAR, Cuddyer appears to be a pretty poor outfielder. If he was the only significant position player upgrade, I fear our already replacement level defense would be worse, with the offense only marginally improved.
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Lefty Specialist Oct 24 2014 05:52 PM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
Unless Juan Lagares can cover the outfield line to line, they've got a relatively poor outfield defense. Granderson will get to things but he has a noodle arms, which is why they want to move him to left.
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Edgy MD Oct 24 2014 07:15 PM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
Got the best center fielder in the world. What the hell you want? Eggs in your beer?
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Ashie62 Oct 24 2014 07:35 PM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
I truly believe the 2015 Mets have grown to be considered a "win now" team. Sandy Alderson, yeah you! dare to be different and make the one or two moves that may pave the way to a bigass parade on Broadway next October.
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Lefty Specialist Oct 24 2014 07:48 PM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
YESpedes.
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Frayed Knot Oct 24 2014 09:22 PM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
Y'know, for all of Cepedes's rep and ASG/HR contest wins, he's a sub-.300 OBA guy over the past two seasons (1,200+ PAs) and just low/mid 20s in HRs.
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seawolf17 Oct 25 2014 05:06 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
I know. I remember looking at the stats when he was dealt and wasn't all that impressed. BUT he's only 26.
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Frayed Knot Oct 25 2014 06:23 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
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Turned 29 just last week according to BB-Ref -- DOB 10/18/95 -- plus, being Cuban, there's always the chance that he's a shade older than that even. So the guess would be that he is what he is at this point. And while his career is obviously a smaller sample than most 29 y/o ballplayers, it's that 1st year line of .292/.356/.505 which is looking more like the outlier than the norm now that he followed it up with two near identical seasons of essentially .250/.300/.450 (.251/.298/.446 to be exact). That's not a bad ballplayer, especially when the arm and GG nomination are mixed in, but it hardly suggests a great one, particularly for a corner OFer, or one that would jive with Sandy's OBP-loving philosophy.
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Edgy MD Oct 25 2014 08:43 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
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That's a dramatic birthday. A little over-the-top on the partying.
That would be a disappointing season from Cuddyer. When a ripped-right-down-to-the-ankles man arrives from a world outside the MLB testing universe, makes a big initial splash, and then falls back to earth in the following seasons, I tend to feel... cautious.
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Ashie62 Oct 25 2014 09:30 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
I love him. He has real guns for arms and no park is to big for him.
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Frayed Knot Oct 25 2014 09:51 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 25 2014 12:24 PM |
I love him. He has real guns for arms and no park is to big for him. -- Yet he didn't make either of the two parks he played in this year (one favoring pitchers, the other decidedly NOT) look all that small
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Edgy MD Oct 25 2014 11:40 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
Carlos Delgado: big scary slugger.
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Ashie62 Oct 25 2014 06:39 PM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
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We are going to have to agree to just disagree. Duda, Granderson or maybe d'Arnaud? That's for comic effect, right?
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Frayed Knot Oct 25 2014 07:53 PM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 26 2014 06:29 AM |
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Hey, I'm merely cautioning peeps about getting overly enamored of Cepedes on account of his first good season (which he's been unable to duplicate in the two years since) or on account of his prowess in what is essentially a glorified version of BP (the ASG HR contest).
No, those are current NY Mets who hit HRs at rates similar to, or greater than, what Cespedes did this year despite your claims that the Mets haven't had a "scary slugger" like him since the days of Strawberry or Kingman.
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d'Kong76 Oct 25 2014 07:58 PM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
This thread has changed, posters have to own what
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Frayed Knot Oct 26 2014 06:37 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
While we're on the Cepedes front in our OF search: Bill Madden suggests that the BoSox are willing to trade him this winter, probably for pitching help.
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Ceetar Oct 26 2014 08:16 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
The big scary slugger is Duda anyway.
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MFS62 Oct 26 2014 08:37 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
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Nah. He's more like the Sta-Puff Marshmallow Man in Ghostbusters. He still is big and powerful and can cause a lot of destruction. But he's kinda' cute and cuddly, not scary. Later
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Ashie62 Oct 26 2014 09:34 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
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Not sure what this means.
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Ashie62 Oct 26 2014 09:35 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
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Poop.
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Lefty Specialist Oct 26 2014 11:08 AM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
Well, I want him but not for a Cano-type deal. Poop seconded.
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Frayed Knot Oct 26 2014 12:56 PM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
No real need to speculate about FA terms now as Cepedes is only available via a trade and as a one-year fix at the already set price of $10.5 mil as per his original contract.
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Edgy MD Oct 26 2014 02:53 PM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
Eveland straight up.
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seawolf17 Oct 26 2014 06:16 PM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
I would trade a young pitcher for the last year of Cespedes' deal, straight up. Montero or someone of that ilk.
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TransMonk Nov 10 2014 01:43 PM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
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Lefty Specialist Nov 10 2014 02:35 PM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
2 years, $21 million.
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Edgy MD Nov 10 2014 02:40 PM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
Well, considering it's November 10th and they've already out-offseasoned about 29 other teams, I wouldn't be putting the screws to him so fast.
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Vic Sage Nov 10 2014 03:33 PM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
i'm ok with this move. Until Conforto is ready, Cuddy can give Duda and Grandy a breather against LHPs, and the rest of the time he's in RF, with some ABs also going to who... Nieuhenheis?
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Ceetar Nov 10 2014 03:52 PM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
There is no such thing as 'leadoff skills' Just get a goodish hitter.
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Edgy MD Nov 10 2014 08:21 PM Re: WANTED: 36 yo of'er coming off a partial season |
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You're describing leadoff skills.
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