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Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Centerfield Oct 30 2014 08:26 AM

We are a cleanup hitter away from being a playoff team in 2015. I really believe this. This is the closest we have been in a long time. There is talk that Jose Bautista may be available. Or Yoenis Cespedes, though we may have to be careful here since he had an OPS in the .750's and is already 29 year old. There is some guy named Stanton on the Marlins and the Cuban guy who they say will be the next Abreu/Puig. I don't know which of these guys will work. I'll leave that to you Sandy. I think we have the assets to make this happen. I ask you to leave Harvey and deGrom alone. Syndegaard too. Otherwise, use your judgment. At your disposal are Bartolo Colon, Jon Niese, Dillon Gee, Daniel Murphy, Wilmer Flores, Brandon Nimmo, Kevin Plawecki, Rafael Montero, Stephen Matz and Dilson Herrera. Some combination of these guys can get it done. For the right guy (Stanton) I may even be willing to give up one of Zack Wheeler, Travis d'Arnaud or Lucas Duda too. There is also that pile of cash you are sitting on since we have been masquerading as a small market team the last few years. Maybe you can convince Nelson Cruz to come back. You can do this Sandy. Frank Cashen went and got us a 3 and 4. We are just asking for a 4.

Ceetar Oct 30 2014 08:32 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

More a 5 really. Wright 3, Duda 4, LFer 5, Granderson 6 to do the L/R/L/R thing.

Edgy MD Oct 30 2014 08:38 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

I don't think Matz is considered a redundancy in the way some of those others might be. As a left-hander that has come back strong after his arm problems, I think the team considers him a pretty unique and precious asset. Certainly not untouchable, but not a bauble that I think they'll be dangling around. Surprised you considered Dilson a tradable commodity, since you already have in your opening day lineup. Not sure about the pile o' cash. It'd be nice to read that they broke even this season.

Centerfield Oct 30 2014 09:00 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

I think Dilson looks like he is going to be a player, and ideally I'd like to keep him. But for the right guy, you have to give up something. I don't think he's worth it for Cespedes. But if the Marlins came and asked for Dilson, Plawecki and Montero, I'd drive the bus to Florida. I'm also high on Matz too. The articles say that he has the makeup of a gutsy star pitcher. I also don't think that his trade value would be reflective of his ability, since so much press has been given to Syndegaard, Montero etc. But we need to find our Gary Carter.

Centerfield Oct 30 2014 09:04 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Ceetar wrote: More a 5 really. Wright 3, Duda 4, LFer 5, Granderson 6 to do the L/R/L/R thing. I want a cleanup hitter. I don't care if he hits with his toes.

seawolf17 Oct 30 2014 09:34 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Centerfield wrote: At your disposal are Bartolo Colon, Jon Niese, Dillon Gee, Daniel Murphy, Wilmer Flores, Brandon Nimmo, Kevin Plawecki, Rafael Montero, Stephen Matz and Dilson Herrera. Some combination of these guys can get it done. For the right guy (Stanton) I may even be willing to give up one of Zack Wheeler, Travis d'Arnaud or Lucas Duda too. Colon (11M) Niese (16M/2 years, plus two option years) Murphy (arb - 10M?) Montero/Matz for Bautista (14M) Reyes (70M/4 years, 22M in '15) Dickey (13M) Adds a lot of salary on our end, which is why it'll never happen. But in my fantasy world, this trade is announced this afternoon.

Edgy MD Oct 30 2014 10:30 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Adds a lot of age, too. Bautista is a relative bargain, with two years left on that contract, and sometimes the idea is to move the bargains and the white elephants at the same time. Toronto sheds a lot o' salary in general --- mostly Reyes --- but the only real assets they get are Niese and the minor league pitcher (and I push them toward Montero there). Murphy and Colon are on one year deals and pretty much getting paid at market or above for what they can be expected to give. But I probably make that deal in a second from the Mets' point of view. It would mostly close the book on the offseason except for the infill signings. Then you go to camp praying that Reyes and Bautista don't get old suddenly. A man ages quickly carrying around ears the size of Bautista's.

seawolf17 Oct 30 2014 10:33 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

What do you give Toronto to make that work, though? They're not that far off in their division, so you'd have to give them something of substance. Hence Colon and Murphy.

Edgy MD Oct 30 2014 10:36 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Well, hopefully you convince them you're giving more than you're giving by taking on their salary and freeing them to spend it on the market. I dunno.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 30 2014 12:04 PM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

If we're holding onto Herrera and Flores, well... howzabout Murphy and Gee to the Dodgers for Van Slyke the Younger? I like the rightyness/positional flexibility (first base AND all three outfield positions).

Frayed Knot Oct 30 2014 12:12 PM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

SvS has come around recently with the bat, but is a REALLY bad fielder/runner.

Edgy MD Oct 30 2014 12:17 PM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

As Van is 28 and still without a full season under his belt, I'd give up one of those two guys, but probably not two. I can't speak to his running and fielding, but that seems unusual, considering his dad was really solid at both.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 30 2014 12:24 PM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Frayed Knot wrote: SvS has come around recently with the bat, but is a REALLY bad fielder/runner. The legs aren't great, but he seems like a scratch fielder to my eyes (when I've seen him) and the B-R/Fangraph metrics.

Frayed Knot Oct 30 2014 01:58 PM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Edgy MD wrote: I can't speak to his running and fielding, but that seems unusual, considering his dad was really solid at both. But he's the complete opposite player from his father. Bigger and more power but really slow; righty where the old man was lefty; clumsy rather than smooth, etc. Watching the two I find it shocking that they're even related.

Madoff's Mets Oct 31 2014 01:44 PM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Dickey? Reyes? That ship has passed.

smg58 Nov 01 2014 03:09 PM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

I can't help wondering if Matt Kemp was really available, and at what price.

Frayed Knot Nov 01 2014 03:30 PM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Oh I think Matt Kemp probably was conditionally available last year and is almost certainly even more so now - but of course there are reasons for that. - he recently turned 30 and is owed some $105 mil over the next 5 seasons. - the offense did bounce back this year (from a 725 OPS in 2013 to 850) but those 900+/MVP-type years look to be behind him - and then there the part where he's seemingly always hurt (missed ~150 games over 2012-13), his speed is gone (40 SBs down to single digits) and so is the defense. Throw in that the Dodgers had a crowded OF last year [Puig, Ether, Crawford, Van Slyke] and one of their top prospects is an OF all ready to come up (Joc Pederson) and I think they'll be in a listening mode this winter. At what price? ... well that's going to be the old player-vs-cost deal: the more salary a team will accept the less they'll have to give up in warm bodies.

smg58 Nov 01 2014 04:45 PM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Kemp was clearly ailing the first half of this year, but he got healthier as the year went on and was close to his MVP stats after the ASB (.971 OPS, with 17 of his 25 HR). His defense improved as well; the -3 runs saved after he moved to right was less than ideal, but it had been a -20 in center and left before then.

Gwreck Nov 01 2014 04:59 PM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Centerfield wrote: We are a cleanup hitter away from being a playoff team in 2015. I really believe this. This is the closest we have been in a long time. I agree. I also think that one factor missing from the analysis is the availability of three top-tier starting pitchers in the free agent class. Yes, I'd prefer it if the top free agents instead included hitters but I trust Sandy can appreciate the need to get the best available talent. Sign any one of them, and there's a lot less pain associated with losing one of our own top starters/starter prospects in order to get that necessary bat. Time for the Mets to act like the giant-market club they are.

Fman99 Nov 01 2014 05:51 PM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Gwreck wrote: Time for the Mets to act like the giant-market club they are. This

d'Kong76 Nov 01 2014 05:55 PM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

This, or that... they need to end the charade or sell.

Frayed Knot Nov 01 2014 06:24 PM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

smg58 wrote: Kemp was clearly ailing the first half of this year, but he got healthier as the year went on and was close to his MVP stats after the ASB (.971 OPS, with 17 of his 25 HR). His defense improved as well; the -3 runs saved after he moved to right was less than ideal, but it had been a -20 in center and left before then. Yeah, he's definitely no longer a CFer but of course we wouldn't need him to play there. I still don't think the Mets will -- or maybe even should -- be effectively signing a 30+y/o FA player to a long-term 20+mil/yr deal AND have to give up players in the process. As always, the devil would be in the specifics.

Centerfield Nov 01 2014 07:06 PM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Would you take Kemp and his entire salary if LA offered it to you?

metirish Nov 01 2014 07:08 PM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

I may be wrong or it's just ingrained but I think Alderson has stated that not a lot of $$$ will be available this offseason, so adding $$ might be out. I agree that this team is close , come on Mets.

Frayed Knot Nov 02 2014 06:16 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Would you take Kemp and his entire salary if LA offered it to you? As in, for no players in return? ... Maybe, although even there you'd be overpaying. To put it another way: would Matt Kemp on the open market this winter get $21.5mil/year for five years? ... he'd get good money but I doubt he'd get that. Just as a comparison, Joel Sherman in the NYPost is forecasting a 5/$80 FA deal for Hanley Ramirez this winter. If we assume that guesstimate is in the ballpark and assume a rough equivalency between the players here (Kemp is just 9 months younger and their stats over the past 3 seasons put up in the same home park are virtually identical) Kemp's deal is 30-some percent too high and that's before you account for Ramirez playing SS. OK he doesn't play SS very well and he probably shouldn't in the future, but I'd sign him to a 5/$80 deal and stick him in RF before I'd absorb Kemp's contract. Look, it's not like I want to be knocking Matt Kemp here, he'd clearly be an upgrade to our outfield. It's just that this would be another situation where we'd know going in that we're (over)paying for a guy's 25-30 production but getting his 30-35 years instead as the injuries and decline in production, speed and defense are already apparent. Plus we know that this theoretical Kemp deal is not going to be for nothing in return it's going to be for some valuable players in addition to that contract, or at least of a portion of it depending on the quantity and quality of players going to other way.

Centerfield Nov 02 2014 07:12 PM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Yeah, that's what I was wondering. If it doesn't make sense to get him for nothing, certainly it makes no sense to give up actual young talent for him. Meanwhile, Alex Gordon has submitted a resume. http://www.blessyouboys.com/2014/11/1/7 ... lex-gordon While 19 HR's and an OPS around .800 is not exactly a clean up hitter, we have to consider all possibilities. He does bring GG defense in LF.

Gwreck Nov 02 2014 11:15 PM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

I'm not sure he's the cleanup hitter we dream of but I wonder if Nick Markakis might be a worthy addition (at least compared to Michael Cuddyer). Had his 2015 option declined by the Orioles and is a free agent.

Edgy MD Nov 03 2014 05:52 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

The Crane Pool Hellenic Society has indeed long expressed concern at the lack of Greco-American Mets since the heyday of George Theodore. I'm getting with the notion of not getting caught up in getting a name-brand cleanup hitter, but rather simply getting better. A right-handed guy to hit between Duda and Granderson. On the other hand, Steamer (what a stinky name) predicts a fallback for Duda. (Though I imagine few of the prediction models account for the Mets' moving wall.)

Centerfield Nov 03 2014 06:32 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

I have no doubt that the Mets will eventually end up with Markakis, or Cuddyer or Rios, or some other loser that doesn't hit HR's. Our acquisition will be coupled with rhetoric that we only needed to add about 10 HR's or so, and that our run differential suggests we are right there (without accounting for regression from some of our guys who had big years). But I got no room for your realistic predictions in this thread. In this thread the Mets go big and get a real legitimate power hitter. A hitter that looms ominously on the on deck circle. (For all the HR's that he hit, Duda still needs work on his looming.) In this thread the Mets are a big market team and try to build championship teams, instead of teams that may possibly compete for the wild card if everything breaks their way. In this thread, the Mets are a big market ballclub.

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2014 07:19 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 03 2014 10:09 AM

Centerfield wrote: Yeah, that's what I was wondering. If it doesn't make sense to get him for nothing, certainly it makes no sense to give up actual young talent for him. Unless the Dodgers are will to eat a big chunk of the contract, at which point the equation starts to change. Now I don't think the Dodgers, coming off a 94 win season, are going to be in contract eating mode this winter, but yaneverknow. The anticipated monster TV deal that was fueling at least some of the spending spree the new ownership has been on since they took over has run into some snags* so maybe the high payroll and the huge purchase price start to catch up to them at some point. I'm sure they'd prefer to move either Ethier (either Ethier - say that five times fast) or Crawford - both of whom they owe big bucks to through 2017. Neither is as young as Kemp (both are/will be 33 y/o by OD 2015) and neither would be the power hitter you want (plus the combo of Crawford + Granderson would give us maybe the two worst throwing corner OFs in all of MLB), but there's more than one way to skin a cat and Crawford could at least fill the leadoff spot. * games unavailable to large sections of the LA area in a way that will remind NYers of the old MSG/Cablevision type wars - maybe Seo has some more details on this

Ceetar Nov 03 2014 07:32 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

I know we need _someone_ and It'd be nice to get the top-tier talent type guys, but Kemp strikes me as one of those guys that's going to be overpaid to be merely decent and only somewhat healthy the rest of that contract. But I dunno, maybe that's enough for this team.

Edgy MD Nov 03 2014 03:05 PM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Stanton is reportedly in extension talks with the Marlins. He hits arbitration this offseason and has a second arbitrary year before being eligible for free agency. So it's conceivable that the Marlins could shop him if extension talks aren't fruitful. I'm concerned he may never be the same hitter after his season ended with a pitch to the face.

Ceetar Nov 03 2014 03:22 PM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Edgy MD wrote: Stanton is reportedly in extension talks with the Marlins. He hits arbitration this offseason and has a second arbitrary year before being eligible for free agency. So it's conceivable that the Marlins could shop him if extension talks aren't fruitful. I'm concerned he may never be the same hitter after his season ended with a pitch to the face. Someone tell him to make sure the deal isn't backloaded.

metsmarathon Nov 05 2014 07:09 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

so, thinking about cleanup hitters, i was listening to mlb radio this morning. steve phillips and todd hollandsworth were discussing hte dodgers' ff season plans, and good ol' steve phillips suggested that if he were the gm of the dodgers, he'd be looking to trade away puig, big time. he's got "self destruction" written all over him, to paraphrase, and he's the only really marketable player they have in their outfield rotation, short of prospecty joc pedersen of course. and so it occurred to me, that the mets could conceivably be a fit there, if we wanted him of course. and so my question to you all is, what would you be willing to give up in return for yasiel puig, assuming you even want him and his exuberant, childish, and seemingly self-destructive baggage?

seawolf17 Nov 05 2014 07:27 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

metsmarathon wrote: and so my question to you all is, what would you be willing to give up in return for yasiel puig, assuming you even want him and his exuberant, childish, and seemingly self-destructive baggage? YES on Puig. What do the Dodgers want? Cost-controlled pitching? A bullpen arm? I don't know.

Ceetar Nov 05 2014 07:35 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

yes, I want all that. The problem is I think the Dodgers downgrade Puig based on that stuff less than the Mets do.

Frayed Knot Nov 05 2014 07:50 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Nov 05 2014 07:53 AM

Puig is signed for another five years and, because the Dodgers paid him a big bonus up front, his salaries are actually quite low going forward. On the other hand, while he apparently does NOT have the Cepedes-like deal where he can't be offered arbitration (effectively making him a FA before the standard six years), he can opt [u:tnxz66oa]into salary arbitration[/u:tnxz66oa] after year three (aka 2015) so those low salaries effectively get wiped out by market-driven corrections. The only red flag with him -- y'know, except for the self-destructive part, and the part about not listening to coaches, and where he often runs until he's tagged out regardless of the situation -- is the power outage he had in the 2nd half of 2014. I was looking for the 2nd year slump from him as the league adjusted (similar to what Cepedes has gone through) and it looked like I was wrong until after the ASB when he hit all of 4 HRs in 215 ABs Maybe that's a sign that pitchers are adjusting to him or maybe it's just a SSS variation. In all, year 2 saw a 23 point drop in BA compared to his 2013, a drop of 9 points in OBA (unlike the stereotyped Latin slugger, he does take his walks), and 54 in Slugging, most of that due to the 2nd half power slump: SLG 1st half = .522, 2nd half = .414

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 05 2014 07:50 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

I'm a little Steve Phillips on Pig myself. I think he's juicing and all that. If we are going to make a trade let's look at Justin Upton.

Centerfield Nov 05 2014 07:56 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Some speculation on what it would take to get Bautista. Sheesh. Seems like a lot. http://tipofthetower.com/2014/10/02/tor ... d-by-mets/ I'd give up Murphy and Wheeler in a heartbeat. Plawecki OR Nimmo is fine, it would be hard to give up both. I'd rather give up Montero than Matz, but would try to push hard to give up Niese or Gee instead.

Edgy MD Nov 05 2014 08:10 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

This seems to be the Outfield 2015 thread now. There's a lot of Alex Gordon talk a-bubbling. The Royals need pitchers and have a big spacious outfield for low-walk/flyball types like Colon and Montero.

Ceetar Nov 05 2014 08:20 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I'm a little Steve Phillips on Pig myself. I think he's juicing and all that. If we are going to make a trade let's look at Justin Upton. The Braves would have to be pretty desperate to trade Upton to the Mets no? But I'd be okay with that.

Frayed Knot Nov 05 2014 09:49 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

One of the columnists was in the paper this morning suggesting Syndergaard for J Upton - but the problem with that is that Upton's only signed for one year and, at age 27, I can't see him forfeiting his first shot at FA-gency by talking contract during the season. If I'm moving Syndergaard it's going to be for someone who'll be here for more than 162 games.

Edgy MD Nov 05 2014 09:57 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

The problem with that is everything.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 05 2014 10:10 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

That was John Harper, offering everything the Mets have for Upton. Synder, Wheeler, whomever. Whatever it takes!

Frayed Knot Nov 05 2014 10:21 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Yeah, spare me from the 'Whatever it Takes' line of thinking. I sometimes think it's more like the 'Whatever it takes to get you to read my column' strategy as opposed to moves they believe in.

Ceetar Nov 05 2014 10:26 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Frayed Knot wrote: Yeah, spare me from the 'Whatever it Takes' line of thinking. I sometimes think it's more like the 'Whatever it takes to get you to read my column' strategy as opposed to moves they believe in. Sometimes?

Centerfield Nov 11 2014 08:19 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

So the more I think about it, I think the signing of Cuddyer puts this pipe dream to an end. At the end of the off-season, Sandy et al. will cite to Cuddyer as the big bat they needed to get. This type of signing fits perfectly with the rumored philosophy of this regime, which is to build around young starting pitching while mixing and matching a few cheaper pieces to construct the lineup. The buzz from the articles this morning is that the Mets are done upgrading the OF. Which leaves only SS as the possible upgrade. Only Troy Tulowitzki fits the bill of cleanup hitter at SS. And I don't think this is realistic (too expensive, both in dollars and prospects). I think we are done here.

Edgy MD Nov 11 2014 08:25 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Not to pull you back in, but. 18 hours ago @JeffPassan Mets aren't done. They've talked with the Rockies about Troy Tulowitzki, sources tell Y! Sports. Fear they can't afford, but talking still.

d'Kong76 Nov 11 2014 08:27 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Other bigger guys have said there's no serious discussion.

Ceetar Nov 11 2014 08:30 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

long way to go yet.

Edgy MD Nov 11 2014 08:32 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Other bigger guys have said there's no serious discussion. I certainly get that. Rubin just posted as much as I type. Although I don't believe the notion that a maneuver is made and the front office congratulates itself and goes jet skiing. Trades almost have to take place this offseason. The redundancies they have clearly challenge them to do as much. A cleanup hitter? Well, that's always a tough throw.

Centerfield Nov 11 2014 08:32 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Edgy MD wrote: Not to pull you back in, but. 18 hours ago @JeffPassan Mets aren't done. They've talked with the Rockies about Troy Tulowitzki, sources tell Y! Sports. Fear they can't afford, but talking still. I've heard that too. But do you really think that it is realistic? Tulo would cost at least Wheeler, and several other prospects (Matz, Montero, Nimmo). Plus he is signed for 19 per year over 6 years. He's from Colorado, and on the wrong side of 30. I just don't see this happening.

Edgy MD Nov 11 2014 08:35 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Realistic? Well, I certainly don't expect it. But the majority of the voices were telling me that Cuddyer was off the table last week. If he gets traded, I don't think Wheeler, Matz, Montero, and Nimmo would all be in the package at all. That would be the Rockies being unrealistic.

Centerfield Nov 11 2014 08:35 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Edgy MD wrote: Other bigger guys have said there's no serious discussion. I certainly get that. Rubin just posted as much as I type. Although I don't believe the notion that a maneuver is made and the front office congratulates itself and goes jet skiing. Trades almost have to take place this offseason. The redundancies they have clearly challenge them to do as much. A cleanup hitter? Well, that's always a tough throw. Oh, I don't think they are done making moves, we have too many starters, etc. And I think they will certainly explore upgrading at SS, but I think that the pipe dream of a cleanup hitter, and I realize it was somewhat unrealistic, is over on the first day of the GM meetings.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 11 2014 08:36 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

I am certain the MFYs wind up with Tulo.

d'Kong76 Nov 11 2014 08:38 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Ceetar wrote: long way to go yet. Yeah, unless they're done and we'll be talking about a long way of nothing the end of February.

seawolf17 Nov 11 2014 09:35 AM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

If we're going to go big on an established shortstop, it makes infinitely more sense (less money to take on + less prospects to trade + goodwill) to talk with Toronto about Reyes.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 11 2014 03:22 PM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I am certain the MFYs wind up with Tulo. /Points to nose Given the injury risk-- hell, injury likelihood-- and his contract taken together, well, unless they're eating a LOT of salary, I'm very much against including more than one elite/major-league-ready prospect.

Ashie62 Nov 11 2014 04:26 PM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

Tulowitzki is perpetually injured. Gettem MFY's!

Vic Sage Nov 11 2014 04:35 PM Re: Get Me a Cleanup Hitter Sandy

yeah, that's my feeling, too... Tulo is a good hitter but he has Coors-inflated numbers and a significant, chronic and recent injury history (averaging 120g/year, with over 126g in only 3 of his 9 seasons), and a mega-$ contract for 6 more years. That's nuts. If the Mets could take the risk on him (in money and prospects) and then just shrug off the $$ commitment if things don't work out with him, then maybe. But you KNOW that, if Tulo goes down (or, really, WHEN he goes down),l the contact would be an albatross that will handcuff this organization for a long while. And the only way the Rockies would eat any significant portion of that contract is if they're getting our very best prospects and major leaguers too. Wheeler & Syndergaard, and go from there. If we give up those kinds of chips, we need a blue chip in return. And Tulo's not a blue chip... he's a red cross. So no thanks.