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TransMonk Nov 05 2014 10:04 AM

Per Mets Facebook: New for 2015! The Mets will be switching to a white with royal pinstripes primary home uniform next season, adding a new alternate road cap and - for Spring Training and pregame activities - the popular Mr. Met Batting Practice Cap returns with a new look. These jerseys and hats will be exclusively available on 11/21 at http://www.mets.com/shop and at the Mets Team Store at Citi Field. Sorry if this was posted elsewhere...feel free to merge with one of the other uni threads if necessary.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 05 2014 10:32 AM Re: The More Things Change...

So they are whacking "snow white" and introducing a cap to match the alternate road jersey but what's new about the pinnies? No more cream?

Edgy MD Nov 05 2014 10:36 AM Re: The More Things Change...

Solid orange on a kit is almost always a bad idea. In fact, turning your secondary color into your primary is almost always a bad idea.

TransMonk Nov 05 2014 11:06 AM Re: The More Things Change...

Yeah, it looks like the cream is gone on the pinstripes. I often wonder what drives these things? It seems like such an unnecessary change.

RealityChuck Nov 05 2014 11:26 AM Re: The More Things Change...

Ca$h.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 05 2014 11:28 AM Re: The More Things Change...

The Mets are the worst ever but I really like the reintroduction of the grey numerals on the blue away unis.

Edgy MD Nov 05 2014 11:32 AM Re: The More Things Change...

I find the gray on blue gets lost in there. Like it's a primer coat that somebody didn't have time to put the the finish on.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 05 2014 11:41 AM Re: The More Things Change...

In-person, the gray pops more. So, does this mean that my dropshadow-white Beltran and dropshadow-gray Johan have crossed the line from "old" to "vintage" yet?

Zvon Nov 05 2014 01:10 PM Re: The More Things Change...

I hope this isn't our biggest off season move. Like T-monk said, unnecessary. Our unis were doing fine. It's some of the guys wearing em that should be redesigned.

Gwreck Nov 05 2014 04:04 PM Re: The More Things Change...

The white with pinstripes always was the Mets' best uniform, so that's a welcome return. I can't believe I'm saying this but I would LOVE the black uniform over the eyesore that is the camouflage nonsense.

Ashie62 Nov 05 2014 04:09 PM Re: The More Things Change...

I wish the "new" home jersey was knock your lights out brighter. I like the camo less than the mercury Mets uni.

Centerfield Nov 05 2014 08:44 PM Re: The More Things Change...

I will miss the snow whites. They were by far my favorite uniform. My favorite, now by default, is the road gray. I like the blue alternative jerseys, both home and away. I'm glad they have them to change things up. I have never liked the home pinstripe. I'd be ok if I never saw pinstripes on the Mets again. I don't like any of the hats. I'll be looking at alternate hats to buy this year. Maybe I missed this, but why do we have camouflage unis anyway? It makes sense in some cities where there is a military presence, but it makes no sense here in NY. It's crazy and dumb. If the Mets players wanted to camouflage themselves, they should dress like empty seats.

Edgy MD Nov 05 2014 09:07 PM Re: The More Things Change...

Well (1) vets' issues is one of Fred's pet causes, and (2) what gets the team in good with the league is good for the team, from management's perspective. And I guess (3) it's particularly unoriginal. Pinstripes is THE Met kit. It's original, foundational. It links every Met ever, and it says good things to your heart.

Zvon Nov 05 2014 09:14 PM Re: The More Things Change...

Centerfield wrote: .. If the Mets players wanted to camouflage themselves, they should dress like empty seats. lmao

metsmarathon Nov 06 2014 06:57 AM Re: The More Things Change...

would hte digital camo work better if it used the team colors as the background color? like if it were a blue camo, with orange lettering? it would still be camo, and therefore representative of the military, but without playing soldier. also, it would look a hell of a lot less awful to the eyes with the mismatched colors. i'm basically pictuing the alternate home jersey, but with a pixellated blue. the other way to go would be to go all-camo, with appropriately muted gray/green logos and lettering on the uni. you could even have velcro patches and the like. anything would be better than blue and orange on a sand camo.

Frayed Knot Nov 06 2014 07:27 AM Re: The More Things Change...

metsmarathon wrote: ... you could even have velcro patches and the like. Then, when changing a pitcher who was getting bombed or removing a guy who just made a costly error in the field, instead of just sending a replacement out, the manager could march out there and rip the team logo insignias right off the jersey and send the player off the field in disgrace. Or maybe make the player wait out there for his substitute at which point he'd have to rip his own patches off and place them on the shoulder of his replacement in a changing of the guards type of situation. Needless to say, trades and demotions would now have their own video-worthy moments as patches, numbers, logos, etc. are removed from the fallen soldier. I think you may be onto something here.

Ceetar Nov 06 2014 07:27 AM Re: The More Things Change...

I'm good with any uniform as long as it's utilizing the blue and orange in some fashion. (and white and black in various degrees obviously) The camo is the worst ever.

Edgy MD Nov 06 2014 07:51 AM Re: The More Things Change...

Frayed Knot wrote: metsmarathon wrote: ... you could even have velcro patches and the like. Then, when changing a pitcher who was getting bombed or removing a guy who just made a costly error in the field, instead of just sending a replacement out, the manager could march out there and rip the team logo insignias right off the jersey and send the player off the field in disgrace. Or maybe make the player wait out there for his substitute at which point he'd have to rip his own patches off and place them on the shoulder of his replacement in a changing of the guards type of situation. Needless to say, trades and demotions would now have their own video-worthy moments as patches, numbers, logos, etc. are removed from the fallen soldier. I think you may be onto something here. "MPs, get this sack of shit out my sight!"

Centerfield Nov 06 2014 08:01 AM Re: The More Things Change...

Edgy MD wrote: Pinstripes is THE Met kit. It's original, foundational. It links every Met ever, and it says good things to your heart. I know. And as far as I know, I'm the only Met fan that doesn't like the uniform. Can't explain it. I really don't like pinstripes. If we are talking worst jerseys ever, the 80's road jersey with the script New York has to be in the discussion. Why tinker with the best road jersey in the world? It boggles the mind. As for the camo jersey, I think mm's idea about going all camo would be the only way to salvage it. If you are going sand camo, the logo and numbers should be similarly muted so it matches. I think FK is onto something. If we want to honor the military, let's go all out, and for once, be the pioneer on this front. Let's airdrop our players onto the field at the start of each game. When we replace a player, let's have them mime being shot then the bench players can bring a stretcher out on the field. We should break up mound meetings by throwing a toy hand grenade, then everyone fall away like they've been blown up. I think this would be awesome. Or we could just wear a patch of the US flag on our uniform.

Lefty Specialist Nov 06 2014 08:18 AM Re: The More Things Change...

Frayed Knot wrote: ... you could even have velcro patches and the like. Then, when changing a pitcher who was getting bombed or removing a guy who just made a costly error in the field, instead of just sending a replacement out, the manager could march out there and rip the team logo insignias right off the jersey and send the player off the field in disgrace. Or maybe make the player wait out there for his substitute at which point he'd have to rip his own patches off and place them on the shoulder of his replacement in a changing of the guards type of situation. Needless to say, trades and demotions would now have their own video-worthy moments as patches, numbers, logos, etc. are removed from the fallen soldier. I think you may be onto something here. Former Brooklyn Dodger Chuck Connors shows you how it's done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKmJPnAGUJk

Edgy MD Nov 06 2014 08:26 AM Re: The More Things Change...

That's awesome. That needs to be gif-orized. The best part is that, as the camera zooms in on his stoic face, his commander seems to have ripped all insignia off of him, but his shoulders are still recoiling against one insult after another, and you're wondering what else could be left, and you get the idea that he's being stripped down to his underwear like Johnny Monell.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 06 2014 12:22 PM Re: The More Things Change...

Centerfield wrote: If we are talking worst jerseys ever, the 80's road jersey with the script New York has to be in the discussion. Okay, the other one's better. But, c'mon, bud... aesthetically, this ain't no turdpile.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 06 2014 12:31 PM Re: The More Things Change...

The pictured Gooden jersey is not authentic: Those are aftermarket numerals for one. Would have to travel to the 70s to get anything close to that thickness and even then, the 80s-early 90s featured slim NOBs and numbers.

Zvon Nov 06 2014 01:07 PM Re: The More Things Change...

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Centerfield wrote: If we are talking worst jerseys ever, the 80's road jersey with the script New York has to be in the discussion. Okay, the other one's better. But, c'mon, bud... aesthetically, this ain't no turdpile. This is an assault on my good senses. You put this under the turdpile, so you don't get any shit on the rug.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 06 2014 02:05 PM Re: The More Things Change...

I really dug the cream. The Giants have been rocking it, and I thought the Mets looked classy as hell in em, but picking one is like being being given Biel and Alba and told to choose only one Jessica. I'll survive either way. I am always completely indifferent to the BP uni's, but I would like to launch a full-scale Obama drone attack on those horrendous camouflage things.

Edgy MD Nov 06 2014 02:09 PM Re: The More Things Change...

Rabbit.

G-Fafif Nov 06 2014 02:41 PM Re: The More Things Change...

The worst, in my view. 1988-1992 road, big block NEW YORK that lacked character and resembled MFY road NEW YORK. Combined with moving from St. Pete to St. Lucie, I could feel a certain essential Metness slipping away in the spring of '88.

G-Fafif Nov 06 2014 02:48 PM Re: The More Things Change...

Conversely, a little overlooked in the historical scheme of uniform things, I think: 1993 road. Revived the Mazz-era trimming, reined in the excesses of the nice try/no dice script New York from 1987 and somehow got away with no numbers on the front, which always freaked me out when I saw pictures of how the Mets dressed from 1962-1964. Of course it suffered from being worn by the 1993 Mets. They were revised a year later and ditched for the almost/not quite retro look in '95.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 06 2014 02:59 PM Re: The More Things Change...

Edgy MD wrote: Rabbit. Boing, indeed.

Lefty Specialist Nov 06 2014 05:01 PM Re: The More Things Change...

A Boy Named Seo wrote: I am always completely indifferent to the BP uni's, but I would like to launch a full-scale Obama drone attack on those horrendous camouflage things. Seconded. I've never met anyone who likes the camouflage Mets jerseys. And the jerseys and hats together are just frickin' hideous. Late 80's script gets an honorable mention, but they finish second to the camo. Can't we find a better way to honor the troops than this?

Edgy MD Nov 06 2014 07:59 PM Re: The More Things Change...

Sure. What do you have in mind? Patriotic and pro-service member gestures are the exact sort of thing folks mail in. (The Nats are a notable exception here.) I mean, an Air Force Master Sergeant did a head-scratchingly weird "God Bless America" during Game Seven of the World Series. And you just know that nobody from the team or the league vetted her. "She's an active service member, and she sings? GREAT! HIRED! We're so great and patriotic and everybody should love us." (Not that I got the idea anybody in San Francisco vetted that tool from Staind when he sang.)

Zvon Nov 06 2014 09:11 PM Re: The More Things Change...

G-Fafif wrote: The worst, in my view. 1988-1992 road, big block NEW YORK that lacked character and resembled MFY road NEW YORK. Combined with moving from St. Pete to St. Lucie, I could feel a certain essential Metness slipping away in the spring of '88. Very kool images. I found the block and the script equally not the classic ol' english (or whatever that font is really called). Anything that isn't sucks. And don't be doing this again. I mean, why. Why underline it and go all cartoony? ...sucks. There's a chance that if they didn't correct these atrocities I would not be a Mets fan today. Cause I couldn't look at those unis. I had to shield my eyes.

Ceetar Nov 07 2014 07:06 AM Re: The More Things Change...

Edgy MD wrote: Sure. What do you have in mind? Patriotic and pro-service member gestures are the exact sort of thing folks mail in. (The Nats are a notable exception here.) I mean, an Air Force Master Sergeant did a head-scratchingly weird "God Bless America" during Game Seven of the World Series. And you just know that nobody from the team or the league vetted her. "She's an active service member, and she sings? GREAT! HIRED! We're so great and patriotic and everybody should love us." (Not that I got the idea anybody in San Francisco vetted that tool from Staind when he sang.) They could do the exact same thing they do, which isn't mailing it in. (Also could work on having fewer service members, veterans, particularly wounded ones, but that's a different thing) And not mess with the uniform on the field. "Hi, we'd like to take a few moments to honor.. " "Okay, now BACK to the game." Keep 'em separate. Or they could use those jerseys for some/all of the community outreach. I mean, the Mets do a lot of veteran charity work. Wilpon helped found one. They invite them to games, make them feel welcome. The uniforms seem more directed outwards to the rest of us as a PR (Hey, we support Veterans!) than actually at the vets themselves.

Mets – Willets Point Nov 07 2014 07:23 AM Re: The More Things Change...

TransMonk wrote: I'm going to go on record as really liking 5 of the 6 uniforms pictured here (the "pandering to military" uniform being the odd one out).

Edgy MD Nov 07 2014 07:38 AM Re: The More Things Change...

Philosophical question: Is it, indeed, pandering to the military, or using the military to pander to the greater populace?

Centerfield Nov 07 2014 07:46 AM Re: The More Things Change...

Edgy MD wrote: Philosophical question: Is it, indeed, pandering to the military, or using the military to pander to the greater populace? Or is it using the military to pander to the greater populace in a way aimed at deriving the most revenue?

Centerfield Nov 07 2014 07:53 AM Re: The More Things Change...

You know, I've had some time to think about it, and I realize that my dislike of that uniform is not really based on the uniform itself. It's ugly. Big deal. I don't have to wear it. But it bothers me because it's symbolic of how this Wilpon regime runs things. They are always ones to follow. Other teams have black uniforms? Let's do that too! Wow, Boston loves Sweet Caroline. Let's try that here. Wow, look at those Padres uniforms. Let's get one of those. They are the irritating rich kid that lives on your block that doesn't know what he wants, but goes and gets whatever you get a week after you get it. Meanwhile, a fantastic Mets-only tradition unfolded right before their eyes when the players wore first responder hats. They fucked it up and actually made them stop it. Fucking idiots. I realize now there is only one way the Mets will ever wear first responder hats on 9/11. If some other team does it first.

Ceetar Nov 07 2014 07:58 AM Re: The More Things Change...

Centerfield wrote: You know, I've had some time to think about it, and I realize that my dislike of that uniform is not really based on the uniform itself. It's ugly. Big deal. I don't have to wear it. But it bothers me because it's symbolic of how this Wilpon regime runs things. They are always ones to follow. Other teams have black uniforms? Let's do that too! Wow, Boston loves Sweet Caroline. Let's try that here. Wow, look at those Padres uniforms. Let's get one of those. They are the irritating rich kid that lives on your block that doesn't know what he wants, but goes and gets whatever you get a week after you get it. Meanwhile, a fantastic Mets-only tradition unfolded right before their eyes when the players wore first responder hats. They fucked it up and actually made them stop it. Fucking idiots. I realize now there is only one way the Mets will ever wear first responder hats on 9/11. If some other team does it first. Fuck the first responder hats, put a patch if you want. stop messing with the uniform for non-baseball stuff. period.

metsmarathon Nov 07 2014 08:11 AM Re: The More Things Change...

Ceetar wrote: Centerfield wrote: You know, I've had some time to think about it, and I realize that my dislike of that uniform is not really based on the uniform itself. It's ugly. Big deal. I don't have to wear it. But it bothers me because it's symbolic of how this Wilpon regime runs things. They are always ones to follow. Other teams have black uniforms? Let's do that too! Wow, Boston loves Sweet Caroline. Let's try that here. Wow, look at those Padres uniforms. Let's get one of those. They are the irritating rich kid that lives on your block that doesn't know what he wants, but goes and gets whatever you get a week after you get it. Meanwhile, a fantastic Mets-only tradition unfolded right before their eyes when the players wore first responder hats. They fucked it up and actually made them stop it. Fucking idiots. I realize now there is only one way the Mets will ever wear first responder hats on 9/11. If some other team does it first. Fuck the first responder hats, put a patch if you want. stop messing with the uniform for non-baseball stuff. period. ceetar presents a possible solution here, actually. since it does appear as if the first responder hats are never going to happen, how about lets roll out first-responder patches. mix-n-match sleeve patches from the different first responder organizations on 9-11. as far as the military uniforms, i'd much rather see the mets bedecked in red white and blue instead of the digital camo. we're patriotic towards the symbol of our nation, not towards the garb of our soldiers. it's good to recognize them and all, of course, but recognize them for what they serve for, not for what they wore while doing it.

Edgy MD Nov 07 2014 08:18 AM Re: The More Things Change...

Yes, we've had this conversation. Ceetar was quite intransigent. I don't see him rolling over for a patch.

Edgy MD Nov 07 2014 08:19 AM Re: The More Things Change...

Centerfield wrote: Philosophical question: Is it, indeed, pandering to the military, or using the military to pander to the greater populace? Or is it using the military to pander to the greater populace in a way aimed at deriving the most revenue? Well, that was sort of meant to be in implied.

Frayed Knot Nov 07 2014 09:43 AM Re: The More Things Change...

Centerfield wrote: But it bothers me because it's symbolic of how this Wilpon regime runs things. They are always ones to follow. Other teams have black uniforms? Let's do that too! Wow, Boston loves Sweet Caroline. Let's try that here. Wow, look at those Padres uniforms. Let's get one of those. Nationals had a garden gnome give-away in 2014 for their long-haired star (Jayson Werth) - and now lookie what's on the sked for 2015 at CitiField!!

Edgy MD Nov 07 2014 09:57 AM Re: The More Things Change...

That's all true and we're right to rail against it. But it's also true across baseball. Teams sink toward sameness, and are regressing into variations on the umbrella brand that is MLB.

Ceetar Nov 07 2014 10:24 AM Re: The More Things Change...

Frayed Knot wrote: Centerfield wrote: But it bothers me because it's symbolic of how this Wilpon regime runs things. They are always ones to follow. Other teams have black uniforms? Let's do that too! Wow, Boston loves Sweet Caroline. Let's try that here. Wow, look at those Padres uniforms. Let's get one of those. Nationals had a garden gnome give-away in 2014 for their long-haired star (Jayson Werth) - and now lookie what's on the sked for 2015 at CitiField!! These things are very heavily shared among MLB. It's a corporate thing and it's not like the marketing people are Mets fans, just trying to pull people into the park, line up sponsors, etc. I'd be willing to bet any owner, Wilpon included, would be able to name more than maybe 1 or 2 promotional items from this/last year. The same with playing Sweet Caroline (Not a Red Sox thing. They stole it from others. the NY Rangers were playing it too. everyone was) All 30 teams are some shade of ridiculously corporate and conservative. I'd love it if the Mets got wacky, but on that same note, there is plenty of "don't deviate from our established uniform and tradition!" sentiment in this thread. Not that t-shirt giveaways are particularly unique, but it's not like that idea was specifically pilfered from anyone, it was just a thing. The idea to give out the 2015 schedule on the last day of 2014 was a nice touch, but one that many teams suddenly did last year. Canvas prints are something that got popular in society as a whole, so MLB decided to incorporate it. It probably showed up in a catalog some promo company sent to MLB and all 30 teams. Same with the gnomes. everyone's doing them. 5-10 years ago I definitely read criticism that other teams were doing bobbleheads and the Mets needed to do that more. Conformity. you just can't win.

Lefty Specialist Nov 07 2014 11:05 AM Re: The More Things Change...

Well, the problem is not only are they derivative, they're late to the party and stingy. Notice that with the exception of the T-shirts which everyone gets, the giveaways are for just the first 15,000 fans? Used to be the first 25,000 fans. Even last year some of the giveaways were for the first 20,000 fans. Maybe they don't want any left over inventory. Or they're trying to drive up the value of the garden gnomes on eBay. Yes, I know every giveaway is sponsored by somebody and they're paying for it, but it's just annoying.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 07 2014 11:09 AM Re: The More Things Change...

The problem from my standpoint isn't that they ape other teams, and have been aping other teams, and will continue to ape other teams. It's that they're not doing anything that other teams aren't doing first.

Edgy MD Nov 07 2014 11:28 AM Re: The More Things Change...

We're wandering into "my food is awful and the portions are too small" territory here.

Centerfield Nov 07 2014 11:59 AM Re: The More Things Change...

Which I have always felt were two completely valid complaints to have. Even simultaneously. I think I said this at least once a day about the dining halls in college.

G-Fafif Nov 07 2014 12:05 PM Re: The More Things Change...

How about "this food isn't terrible but could be better for the prices they charge" and "perhaps a little originality in the menu would be tasty"?

Edgy MD Nov 07 2014 12:23 PM Re: The More Things Change...

That's certainly a good argument. Plus healthier portions, particularly of the more palatable stuff.

G-Fafif Nov 07 2014 12:28 PM Re: The More Things Change...

"Waiter, there's a baseball in my soup!" "I'm sorry sir or ma'am -- the chef will speak to Mr. Duda about that at once." "No wait...it's delicious!"

Ceetar Nov 07 2014 12:29 PM Re: The More Things Change...

Lefty Specialist wrote: Well, the problem is not only are they derivative, they're late to the party and stingy. Notice that with the exception of the T-shirts which everyone gets, the giveaways are for just the first 15,000 fans? Used to be the first 25,000 fans. Even last year some of the giveaways were for the first 20,000 fans. Maybe they don't want any left over inventory. Or they're trying to drive up the value of the garden gnomes on eBay. Yes, I know every giveaway is sponsored by somebody and they're paying for it, but it's just annoying. hey, at least it's all fans and not 'all children' or 'first 15k women' or whatever. Also, when the attendance picks back up and they don't increase it, that's a gripe. But why, as a sponsor, would I authorize them to make another 5-10k objects that'll likely never get out of the box, and therefore never serve as advertising? LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: The problem from my standpoint isn't that they ape other teams, and have been aping other teams, and will continue to ape other teams. It's that they're not doing anything that other teams aren't doing first. Well, the shirts are 'first', though they're not exactly original. But I don't recall seeing other teams do a "special t-shirt and ticket deal!" all over the place before the Mets did. Did anyone else do a Cereal Bowl last year? Hats, caps, bags, posters, bobbleheads, t-shirts, etc. I'm not really sure what you want in a cheap giveaway at the park besides this sorta stuff. What exactly is going to blaze new ground? The Minnesota Wild are giving away drawstring bags, thundersticks, pucks, magnets, travel mugs.. SF Giants did the fedora last year for 20k fans. Not seeing the Growth Chart anywhere else. That new to the Mets? look at them! Giants also did BBQ Apron last year! Woo! Beach towel, Candlestick park replica, Brewfest themed Giants item, Polynesian kukui Giants necklace (that's kinda neat), Hello Kitty Bobblehead?

Lefty Specialist Nov 07 2014 01:18 PM Re: The More Things Change...

Plenty of other teams have done growth charts. The Phillies did one in 2013 with Ben Revere, for example. Tigers did a Doug Fister growth Chart in 2012.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 07 2014 01:29 PM Re: The More Things Change...

The problem from my standpoint isn't that they ape other teams, and have been aping other teams, and will continue to ape other teams. It's that they're not doing anything that other teams aren't doing first. Well, the shirts are 'first', though they're not exactly original. But I don't recall seeing other teams do a "special t-shirt and ticket deal!" all over the place before the Mets did. Did anyone else do a Cereal Bowl last year? Pittsburgh has done cereal bowls multiple times in the last few years. So has Philadelphia. And like Lefty said... growth charts aren't anything new, either. Hats, caps, bags, posters, bobbleheads, t-shirts, etc. I'm not really sure what you want in a cheap giveaway at the park besides this sorta stuff. What exactly is going to blaze new ground? -- Blue-and-orange toy coquis in conjunction with Puerto Rican Day Parade weekend (ALSO: perhaps, in conjunction with "Los Mets" and all that-- a different, culturally-specific Metly Latin-American artifact from a different country each year) -- Met beret for Bastille Day -- Metly musical instruments to celebrate/herald the concert series -- Mets in the Media night: old, weird songs from the archives; clips all night from Met-featuring movies and TV shows; giveaways of Mr./Mrs. Met as characters from famous movies (brought to you by whichever studio has a big summer release) -- Art night/weekend-- Commissioned local artists' original art displayed all around the ballpark; fans vote on a winner; winning image is a t-shirt giveaway at a Free Shirt Friday a month later -- Syndergaard's curve is looking good early on next year? Give a away a Thor wiffle ball. (How they didn't do this for Dickey already, now that I think of it, is kind of a missed opportunity, no?) Those are five ideas-- all realistic, engaging ones, I think-- with which I just came up right now, without prior thought. People who do this for a living should presumably do better, right?

Lefty Specialist Nov 07 2014 01:32 PM Re: The More Things Change...

Boy, I missed this one..... In 2000, the team gave away a 24-page comic book featuring a villain named Larcenous Vein, who planned to blow up a No. 7 subway train, but was defeated by Mets players. It just so happened that during the previous offseason, Atlanta Braves reliever John Rocker made headlines with derogatory remarks about the diversity in New York City, referencing the different people a visitor might encounter on the No. 7 train. “It’s a coincidence,” Mets spokesman Jay Horwitz said when asked whether Larcenous Vein was Rocker’s alter ego. “The idea was conceived a long time ago.”

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 07 2014 01:42 PM Re: The More Things Change...

The problem from my standpoint isn't that they ape other teams, and have been aping other teams, and will continue to ape other teams. It's that they're not doing anything that other teams aren't doing first. Well, the shirts are 'first', though they're not exactly original. But I don't recall seeing other teams do a "special t-shirt and ticket deal!" all over the place before the Mets did. Did anyone else do a Cereal Bowl last year? Pittsburgh has done cereal bowls multiple times in the last few years. So has Philadelphia. And like Lefty said... growth charts aren't anything new, either. Hats, caps, bags, posters, bobbleheads, t-shirts, etc. I'm not really sure what you want in a cheap giveaway at the park besides this sorta stuff. What exactly is going to blaze new ground? -- Blue-and-orange toy coquis in conjunction with Puerto Rican Day Parade weekend (ALSO: perhaps, in conjunction with "Los Mets" and all that-- a different, culturally-specific Metly Latin-American artifact from a different country each year) -- Met beret for Bastille Day -- Metly musical instruments to celebrate/herald the concert series -- Mets in the Media night: old, weird songs from the archives; clips all night from Met-featuring movies and TV shows; giveaways of Mr./Mrs. Met as characters from famous movies (brought to you by whichever studio has a big summer release) -- Art night/weekend-- Commissioned local artists' original art displayed all around the ballpark; fans vote on a winner; winning image is a t-shirt giveaway at a Free Shirt Friday a month later -- Syndergaard's curve is looking good early on next year? Give a away a Thor wiffle ball. (How they didn't do this for Dickey already, now that I think of it, is kind of a missed opportunity, no?) Those are five ideas-- all realistic, engaging ones, I think-- with which I just came up right now, without prior thought. People who do this for a living should presumably do better, right? You're fucking hired.

Ceetar Nov 07 2014 01:44 PM Re: The More Things Change...

Yes but those ideas are either twists on things that are already out there, or twists on things the Mets actually have already done. Why is a beret better than fedora or a bucket cap? I do like the musical instrument one. As for the 'event' ones, they have dabbled in some of that, though I'll agree that I think the execution could be (much) better. (I can speak specifically to beerfest type events) But I'm also not sure other stadiums are doing it much better as a whole or anything. The Art one is neat, actually Port St. Lucie did something like that in 2011. Similar, the Mets did a stitch and pitch night and there was definitely stuff decorating poles and what not in the upper deck. was interesting. They've played themed music from previous decades on anniversaries and such, maybe not the songs you would pick, or anything outside say the 'top 10' but... On the capitalizing on Noah type thing, they did do a shirt or something for deGrom last year didn't they? And they've been pushing the promotional pricing based on stars too. Not quite the same, but engaging at least.

Lefty Specialist Nov 07 2014 01:49 PM Re: The More Things Change...

When Thor comes up, I'd like to see them give away hammers. Hey, it'd be different.

Ceetar Nov 07 2014 01:51 PM Re: The More Things Change...

Lefty Specialist wrote: When Thor comes up, I'd like to see them give away hammers. Hey, it'd be different. There are about a billion Marvel promotional tie-ins available for this, yes. I'm still waiting for some reporter to ask Noah if he's getting a sex change to match the comics. The only worry here is that we'd end up doing some stupid mockery Braves chant.

G-Fafif Nov 07 2014 01:53 PM Re: The More Things Change...

Sworn Deposition Day is definitely coming.

Edgy MD Nov 07 2014 02:07 PM Re: The More Things Change...

Ramones Day writes itself.

themetfairy Nov 07 2014 02:42 PM Re: The More Things Change...

G-Fafif wrote: Sworn Deposition Day is definitely coming. They haven't settled this thing yet? Idiots - there's no way this is going to end well....

Mets – Willets Point Nov 07 2014 09:07 PM Re: The More Things Change...

Edgy MD wrote: Philosophical question: Is it, indeed, pandering to the military, or using the military to pander to the greater populace? Whichever it is, it's 100% pandering. And fugly.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 07 2014 10:50 PM Re: The More Things Change...

The wiffle ball was meant as a pitcher-specific thing, like, "Throw a curve like ____." (Maybe make it a Niese thing.) Edgy MD wrote: Ramones Day writes itself. Yep. Similarly, Queens Old-School Hip-Hop Day. (Leading into a postgame show featuring multiple old-school favorites like MC Shan/Kool G Rap/Roxanne Shante/Jungle Brothers/3rd Bass... or something like a Salt-N-Pepa or Tribe Called Quest reunion) Mr. Met Dragon Boat Day (on Flushing's Hong Kong Dragon Boat Race weekend). Stuffed Mr. Met "dumpling" on Chinese-American Day. Pat LaFrieda "Mr. Meat" toy or apron.

Mets – Willets Point Nov 08 2014 07:09 PM Re: The More Things Change...

I want the Mets to have a race, but instead of mascots they get a high school student representing each of the boroughs to run a competitive foot race. Winner gets a scholarship. Imagine the intensity of people rooting for Queens or Brooklyn or Manhattan.