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Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Joan Jett and the Blackhearts

11 votes

Green Day

11 votes

Chic

2 votes

The Paul Butterfield Blues Band

5 votes

Kraftwerk

5 votes

The Marvelettes

3 votes

N.W.A.

4 votes

Nine Inch Nails

5 votes

Lou Reed

15 votes

The Smiths

11 votes

The Spinners

8 votes

Sting

5 votes

Stevie Ray Vaughan

13 votes

War

7 votes

Bill Withers

6 votes

Edgy MD Oct 09 2014 08:55 AM

Building on last year's successful vote for the Crane Pool Alternative Rock And Roll Hall of Fame, we return to this year's class. Vote for as many as eight, but we'll limit our personal list of winners to the top five vote-getters, which is something akin to the actual museum's shady-assed process. The official standard is to recognize "the contributions of those who have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll by inducting them into the Hall of Fame." New class includes G-FaFiF favorite The Spinners, as well as the perennially un-nominated Joan Jett and the Blackhearts. Lou Reed and Sting join the ballot having been previously inducted as members of the bands that launched their careers. One thing is always guaranteed when ballots are introduced, and that's the continued use of the word "seminal."

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 09 2014 09:19 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 09 2014 09:25 AM

This class ain't exactly Maddux, Bonds & Clemens. Going with Joan Jett, Kraftwerk, Spinners, Lou Reed, and Bill Withers. Could be convinced of the Smiths I suppose.

Edgy MD Oct 09 2014 09:23 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Green Day is being treated as the big debutantes.

TransMonk Oct 09 2014 09:38 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Give me: Joan Jett & the Blackhearts Kraftwerk The Smiths Stevie Ray Vaughan War Green Day? Is it too early to start clamoring for Pearl Jam?

Mets Guy in Michigan Oct 09 2014 09:39 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Along with the word "posthumous." How many of these people are no longer with us? That's a weak list. You could build a larger ballot of worthy artists who mysteriously aren't ever given the chance: Chicago, Journey, Styx, Foreigner, Frampton, Def Leppard, Cheap Trick, ELO ...

RealityChuck Oct 09 2014 09:51 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

The Paul Butterfield Blues Band -- The standout choice on the list. Not only did they give a start to Mike Bloomfield and Elvin Bishop, but their "East/West" is one of the greatest of rock songs, and helped introduce Indian motifs to the genre. But they're not going to win, since modern fans don't know anything about them. Chic -- most ridiculous choice. Not even a top disco group. Green Day. Yes. Should make it easily. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts -- Close, but no cigar. Kraftwerk -- I considered them, but they're just short of the best. The Marvelettes -- One classic song, little else N.W.A. -- Yes, on historical grounds: Acuff-Rose v. Campbell was a landmark decision in the legal rights of performers. Also a top rap group. Nine Inch Nails -- Close, but ultimate there are better choices this year. Lou Reed -- A shoo in. Yes. The Smiths -- OK, but not up to the rest. The Spinners -- Meh Sting -- His work with the Police is Hall-worthy. His solo career? Not even close. Stevie Ray Vaughan -- another shoo-in. Yes. War -- Yes. Vastly underrated group, especially since no one these days knows them except maybe as Eric Burdon's backup band. Bill Withers -- OK, but not outstanding.

cooby Oct 09 2014 12:07 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 09 2014 01:19 PM

Spinners yes Bill Withers, Green Day, okay. War yes. Missed them the first time I looked

Ashie62 Oct 09 2014 12:38 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Went with Lou Reed, The Smiths and Stevie Ray Vaughn. I'm thinking of Joan Jett by herself more than with the Blackhearts. The Runaways were seminal. Maybe next year for her and Billie Joe.

MFS62 Oct 09 2014 12:42 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: You could build a larger ballot of worthy artists who mysteriously aren't ever given the chance: Chicago, Journey, Styx, Foreigner, Frampton, Def Leppard, Cheap Trick, ELO ... Many of them would get my vote. Later

Ashie62 Oct 09 2014 12:45 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

MFS62 wrote: You could build a larger ballot of worthy artists who mysteriously aren't ever given the chance: Chicago, Journey, Styx, Foreigner, Frampton, Def Leppard, Cheap Trick, ELO ... Many of them would get my vote. Later I'll take Chicago and Cheap Trick right off the bat. Or a cheap trick in Chicago.

cooby Oct 09 2014 01:20 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

We should make up our own list

Edgy MD Oct 09 2014 01:28 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Our current leaders: Lou Reed: 7 votes Joan Jett & the Blackhearts: 6 votes Green Day: 5 votes The Smiths: 5 votes Bill Withers: 5 votes

Edgy MD Oct 09 2014 01:30 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Bill Withers supporters, make sure you see the documentary Still Bill, and post your thoughts in the thread of the same name.

d'Kong76 Oct 09 2014 01:33 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

I took: Green Day Joan Jett and the Blackhearts (liked the Runaways better, though) Lou Reed The Smiths Stevie Ray Vaughan War

Edgy MD Oct 09 2014 01:35 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Joan Jett and the Blackhearts] The Marvelettes Lou Reed The Smiths Stevie Ray Vaughan Bill Withers That leaves me two votes, and I could probably be persuaded on some others. I have trouble seeing the case against Joan, though, except maybe that she was never much of a songwriter.

cooby Oct 09 2014 01:39 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Edgy MD wrote: Bill Withers supporters, make sure you see the documentary Still Bill, and post your thoughts in the thread of the same name. Is that in the movie forum?

Edgy MD Oct 09 2014 02:06 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Yes, but it only has one vote.

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2014 02:09 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

I find myself more indifferent to this list than I do towards the lists for most years. The induction ceremony serves as a performance show which makes for good (or sometimes not) mini-concerts. I usually watch that but I don't get bent out of shape over the specifics of who's in and who's not.

RealityChuck Oct 09 2014 02:24 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

For those who don't know, here's is why Paul Butterfield deserves enshrinement. [youtube:2va9hlpd]YaV-S5ivX3E[/youtube:2va9hlpd] The song invented the jam band format. Without it, there's no Grateful Dead as we know it.

Vic Sage Oct 09 2014 03:30 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Paul Butterfield Green Day Joan Jett and the Blackhearts Lou Reed Stevie Ray Vaughan

Gwreck Oct 09 2014 03:54 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

The Smiths Lou Reed Green Day Joan Jett Stevie Ray Vaughan I don't see anyone else on that ballot as deserving.

Gwreck Oct 09 2014 03:55 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

TransMonk wrote: Green Day? Is it too early to start clamoring for Pearl Jam? 25 years from year of first release. I think that makes Pearl Jam eligible in 2 years.

Rockin' Doc Oct 09 2014 07:27 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Stevie Ray Vaughan Green Day Lou Reed Spinners

Edgy MD Oct 09 2014 10:20 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Great give and take. Note that votes can be changed. As you chew on your ballot, dig this track by current co-leader and Rock 'n' Roll Animal Lou Reed, with great sidemen Robert Quine and Fred Maher in 1984. [youtube:1lx5pql3]O53z2bg_zYM[/youtube:1lx5pql3]

sharpie Oct 13 2014 07:14 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Paul Butterfield Lou Reed Kraftwerk Bill Withers The Smiths As far as those who should be in but aren't I would go Roxy Music, Warren Zevon, Yes.

d'Kong76 Oct 13 2014 07:38 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

[youtube:zzzr1in1]VXa9tXcMhXQ[/youtube:zzzr1in1]

Edgy MD Oct 13 2014 07:47 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Thanks for Kraftwerking up this thread. Lou Reed has sole possession of first as he and second-place votegetter Stevie Ray Vaughn pull ahead of the pack. Why Stevie? Here's why. [youtube:2hsymkwb]OEJh2FFUUoU[/youtube:2hsymkwb] That clip brings up a question: The Blackhearts make the ballot with Joan Jett, but not SRV is up there without Double Trouble?

Frayed Knot Oct 13 2014 07:52 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

It never occurred to me that Kraftwerk would be considered HoF-worthy, or even as anything other than just a moment-in-time kind of novelty. I'm sure there's something I'm missing (like, say, the bulk of their work) but the fact that they were even on the ballot surprised me.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 13 2014 07:59 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Considered influential and ahead of their time. They aren't exactly rockers but among the earliest to successfully create textures and moods with instruments thought to be incapable of such.

d'Kong76 Oct 13 2014 08:01 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

There's a ton of Kraftwerk on youtube to sift through. I didn't know they still toured and were in the states this year.

sharpie Oct 13 2014 09:04 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Africa Bambaata has said that Kraftwerk was the inspiration for Grandmaster Flash and, therefore, all of rap music. Also, would Giorgio Morodor's Donna Summer hits have happened without them? More influential than anyone else on the current list. Also, Trans-Europe Express and The Man-Machine are pretty good albums.

Edgy MD Oct 13 2014 02:31 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

For a time, you couldn't get work as a critic without a knowledge of and (quite possibly faked) appreciation for KW. That better-like-kraftwerk-if-you-wanna-get-kritikwerk generation of critics is now the generation doing much of the voting for the Hall.

sharpie Oct 13 2014 04:03 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Their first album was released in 1970 so therefore they have been eligible for iinduction since 1995. As this is the first time they've been nominated after 19 years of eligibility it doesn't figure that those "critics" who insist that you know and like Kraftwerk are in charge of the show. Chic has now been nominated 9 times. The people in charge of the balloting seem to be more disco fans than Krautrock fans. From Wikipedia: According to music journalist Neil McCormick, Kraftwerk might be "the most influential group in pop history".[35] NME wrote: "The Beatles and Kraftwerk may not have the ring of The Beatles and the Stones, but, nonetheless, these are the two most important bands in music history".[3] Kraftwerk's music has directly influenced all the electronic acts that followed in their wake but also many popular artists from diverse genres of music, including David Bowie and Depeche Mode. Kraftwerk's musical style and image can be heard and seen in later electronic music successes such as Gary Numan, Ultravox, John Foxx, Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark, Human League, Depeche Mode, Visage, and Soft Cell, to name a few. Kraftwerk would also go on to influence other forms of music such as hip hop, house, and drum and bass, and they are also regarded as pioneers of the electro genre.[45] Most notably, "Trans Europe Express" and "Numbers" were interpolated into "Planet Rock" by Afrika Bambaataa & The Soul Sonic Force, one of the earliest hip-hop/electro hits. Kraftwerk helped ignite the New York electro-movement.[9] Techno was created by three musicians from Detroit, often referred to as the 'Belleville three' (Juan Atkins, Kevin Saunderson & Derrick May), who fused the repetitive melodies of Kraftwerk with funk rhythms.[46] The Belleville three were heavily influenced by Kraftwerk and their sounds because Kraftwerk's sounds appealed to the middle-class blacks that resided in Detroit during this time.[9] Vince Clarke of Erasure, Yazoo, and Depeche Mode, is also a notable disco and Kraftwerk fan. Daniel Miller, former boss of Mute Records, purchased the vocoder used by Kraftwerk in their early albums, comparing it to owning Jimi Hendrix's guitar.[47] Andy McCluskey and Paul Humphreys, founding members of OMD, have stated that Kraftwerk was a major reference on their early work,[48] and covered "Neon Lights" on their 1991 album, Sugar Tax.[49] The electronic band Ladytron were inspired by Kraftwerk's song "The Model" when they composed their debut single "He Took Her To a Movie". Richard D James (Aphex Twin), has noted Kraftwerk as one of his biggest influences and called Computer World as a very influential album towards his music and sound.[50] Björk has cited the band as one of her main musical influences.[51] Electronic musician Kompressor has cited Kraftwerk as an influence. The band was also mentioned in the song "Rappers We Crush" by Kompressor and MC Frontalot ("I hurry away, get in my Chrysler. Oh, the dismay!/Someone's replaced all of my Backstreet Boys with Kraftwerk tapes!"). Dr. Alex Paterson of The Orb listed The Man-Machine as one of his 13 most favourite albums of all time.[52] According to NME, Kraftwerk’s pioneering "robot pop" also spawned groups like Prodigy, and Daft Punk.[3] Kraftwerk inspired many acts from other styles and genres. David Bowie's "V-2 Schneider", from the 1977's "Heroes" album, was a tribute to Florian Schneider.[53] Post-punk bands Joy Division and New Order were heavily influenced by the band. Joy Division frontman Ian Curtis was a fan, and showed his colleagues records that would influence their music. New Order's song "Your Silent Face" has some similarities with "Europe Endless", the first song on Trans-Europe Express, and had a working title of KW1, or Kraftwerk 1. New Order also recorded a song called "Krafty" that appeared as a single and on the album Waiting for the Sirens' Call. New Order also would sample "Uranium" in their 1983 songs "Blue Monday" and "The Beach". Siouxsie and the Banshees recorded a cover of "Hall of Mirrors" on their Through the Looking Glass album. Blondie have admitted on several occasions that Kraftwerk were an important reference for their sound by the time they were working on their third album Parallel Lines. The worldwide smash hit "Heart of Glass" turned radically from an initial reggae-flavoured style to its distinctive electronic sound in order to imitate the technological approach of Kraftwerk's albums and adapt it to a disco concept. In this respect, Blondie's member Chris Stein has stated: "We didn't expect the song to be that big (...) We weren't thinking about selling out, we were thinking about Kraftwerk and Eurodisco".[54] U2 recorded a cover version of "Neon Lights" and included it as the B-side of their 2004 single "Vertigo". The band also performed some Kraftwerk songs as snippets during live shows. U2's frontman Bono also stated he is a huge fan of the German electronic band. Simple Minds recorded a cover of the Kraftwerk track "Neon Lights" and included it on an all-cover tunes album by the same name; they also played it live during their Graffiti Soul tour of 2009. Franz Ferdinand were inspired by Kraftwerk's song "The Model" when writing their song "Walk Away". The similarity is especially heard in the intro of the song

Edgy MD Oct 13 2014 05:30 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

sharpie wrote: Their first album was released in 1970 so therefore they have been eligible for iinduction since 1995. As this is the first time they've been nominated after 19 years of eligibility it doesn't figure that those "critics" who insist that you know and like Kraftwerk are in charge of the show. I don't think they're in charge of the show. Jan Wenner is clearly and embarrassingly the boss. I think their profile in the electorate has risen. The makeup of the panel and the options available to them have evolved.

Edgy MD Oct 14 2014 05:32 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

You're supposed to be in the game for 25 years to be eligible for enshrinement, but Joan Jett got started at 15, so she (if not the Blackhearts) has technically been a possibility for a long time. Well, now she's in third place. And that's appropriate, because her songs cure muscular dystrophy. [youtube:3uggp9v2]Aul0e97zO2g[/youtube:3uggp9v2]

Vic Sage Oct 15 2014 08:00 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Kraftwerk's musical style and image can be heard and seen in later electronic music successes such as Gary Numan, Ultravox, John Foxx, Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark, Human League, Depeche Mode, Visage, and Soft Cell, to name a few. Kraftwerk would also go on to influence other forms of music such as hip hop, house, and drum and bass, and they are also regarded as pioneers of the electro genre.[45] Most notably, "Trans Europe Express" and "Numbers" were interpolated into "Planet Rock" by Afrika Bambaataa & The Soul Sonic Force, one of the earliest hip-hop/electro hits. To have instigated both SOFT CELL and hip-hop/electro music... I cannot imagine a more damning statement about any band.

Edgy MD Oct 15 2014 08:10 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

d'Kong76 Oct 15 2014 08:57 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Just try and keep still through this... [youtube:3dj9rqgs]XMVokT5e0zs[/youtube:3dj9rqgs]

cooby Oct 15 2014 09:40 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Cripes. Had to jump off the train half way through

Edgy MD Oct 15 2014 09:48 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Well, here's a train for you: A duet featuring the frontpersons from two R'n'R HoF neglecterino acts. [youtube:1ssgyjwz]29gqDnlWI7Y[/youtube:1ssgyjwz]

TransMonk Oct 15 2014 10:07 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

What am I not understanding about Green Day that makes them so great? I'm not a Kraftwork fan, but I definitely believe they are exponentially more influential and important the institution of modern music than Green Day.

d'Kong76 Oct 15 2014 10:24 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

cooby wrote: Had to jump off the train half way through Yeah, it's not for everyone! I haven't really heard them since high school so I'm enjoying the unfamiliarity and uniqueness through all the free stuff. There's a 2014 HD concert from Toronto I've been watching a little at a time.

sharpie Oct 15 2014 10:25 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Second that on Green Day. It took the Stooges like 8 tries to make it in. Green Day, pretend Stooges at best, will probably be first-timers.

d'Kong76 Oct 15 2014 10:29 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

TransMonk wrote: What am I not understanding about Green Day that makes them so great? I guess I voted for them because they were so popular to at least a generation or so. I only have that one album that made them nationally popular years and years ago.

Edgy MD Oct 15 2014 10:31 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

And unlike the Werk, GD played rock 'n' roll.

Mets – Willets Point Oct 15 2014 10:54 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Oh good, I'm not the only one who doesn't get the Green Day vote. They seem to me to be a generic rock band, not bad but not great, who didn't innovate anything or accomplish anything great beyond longevity.

TransMonk Oct 15 2014 10:56 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Well, the definition of R'N'R is a different topic altogether and is one that the Hall has often been ambiguous about. To sharpie's point, I see Green Day more as an influencee of bands that belong in the hall than being influential themselves. Yes, they have been commercially popular, but so have Journey, Meat Loaf and Foreigner and I don't believe those bands/artists are in (not that I would approve of them either).

cooby Oct 15 2014 11:12 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

My daughter played hip hop; my son played Green Day. What a blessing for the change. Not hard to see why I prefer to vote for them. LOL!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 15 2014 11:12 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

I'm afraid Journey will bust down that door eventually. AC/DC and Kiss were both bands that Rolling Stone hated and they got in. Agree that GD is much more a product of influences than a vital thing itself. Maybe they get credit for being the first 90s punk invention to get their own Broadway play.

seawolf17 Oct 15 2014 11:42 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

I can see all the points against Green Day, but I can't think of a bigger (read: sales, mainstream popularity) punk band. Stooges/Ramones I get, but they were never bigger than Green Day.

TransMonk Oct 15 2014 12:55 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 16 2014 07:33 AM

Is that what induction into the Hall of Fame is about, though? Popularity and album sales? If that's all it takes then Bryan Adams has to be feeling pretty shunned. When I think of HoF-ers I think of originality and influence....based on that, I don't see where GD fits in. Without the Stooges/Ramones (and several other bands), there is no Green Day. Without Green Day there is no...Blink 182?

Edgy MD Oct 16 2014 06:03 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

I can see all the points against Green Day, but I can't think of a bigger (read: sales, mainstream popularity) punk band. Stooges/Ramones I get, but they were never bigger than Green Day. They may not have been playing punk by their last album, but then again, they never record "Boulevard of Broken Dreams." Absolutely the biggest band in the world when they packed it in. Blondie and the Clash were also pretty enormous worldwide, just short lived.

Edgy MD Oct 16 2014 06:17 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Anyhow, bite your lips, close your eyes, and listen to your co-third place candidates, Dia Verde. [youtube:3ppoti0h]6B5Dd9GQppA[/youtube:3ppoti0h]

d'Kong76 Oct 16 2014 07:58 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Hey they used our song in Shrek l, enshrine us NOW! [youtube:179dau6a]51OB2YoC4sg[/youtube:179dau6a]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 16 2014 08:34 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Paul Butterfield Joan Jett and her Schwarz-Herzen Lou Reed The Smiths Kraftwerk (call me a card-carrying member of the Wannabe Rock Writers Who Think Kraftwerk Is The Tits; but then, I like hip-hop and electronic music, like, a lot, and-- like sharpie said-- there is no hip-hop as we know it without Kraftwerk) Nine Inch Nails (in actuality, far more influential than Green Day, for better or worse) War I grew up with Green Day. I've enjoyed Green Day. I reviewed Green Day's indie records (and Dookie) for our high school paper. I'll stipulate that Green Day had maybe the longest more-or-less-unbroken run of sustained commercial success of any artist here. Green Day ain't part of no pantheon I ever envisioned.

Edgy MD Oct 16 2014 08:48 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Kraftwerk (call me a card-carrying member of the Wannabe Rock Writers Who Think Kraftwerk Is The Tits; but then, I like hip-hop and electronic music, like, a lot, and-- like sharpie said-- there is no hip-hop as we know it without Kraftwerk) Please understand that my comment about the critical tide was in response to the question of why they appeared on the ballot now after all these years, not to suggest that there was no other reason to like them.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 16 2014 01:33 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Edgy MD wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Kraftwerk (call me a card-carrying member of the Wannabe Rock Writers Who Think Kraftwerk Is The Tits; but then, I like hip-hop and electronic music, like, a lot, and-- like sharpie said-- there is no hip-hop as we know it without Kraftwerk) Please understand that my comment about the critical tide was in response to the question of why they appeared on the ballot now after all these years, not to suggest that there was no other reason to like them. [Plays 9-minute-long synthesizer-raspberry]

Edgy MD Oct 16 2014 01:44 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Where's the love? d'Kong76 wrote: Hey they used our song in Shrek l, enshrine us NOW! [youtube]51OB2YoC4sg[/youtube] Really is hard to ignore the Buzzcockiness of the Greens still after all these years, isn't it?

d'Kong76 Oct 16 2014 02:29 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

It isn't for me... [youtube]oEyEVQQthao[/youtube] Bold=edited in

d'Kong76 Oct 19 2014 07:47 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Love it two times... [youtube:1uaxonlg]KWOSyW-lS2g[/youtube:1uaxonlg]

Edgy MD Oct 19 2014 09:20 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

That's pretty good, and I dislike the Doors. Too bad there aren't more official vids from The Hit List. Meanwhile, tied for fifth is the greatest band ever, according to the New Musical Express editors (I think). Here's some of their melancholy Richenbacher beauty: [youtube]DRtW1MAZ32M[/youtube] Morrissey gives few fucks.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 20 2014 08:57 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

A doubledecker bus should run over his weepy ass.

Edgy MD Oct 21 2014 10:41 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

The greatest Smiths track is "How Soon Is Now?" That may just be an opinion, but it's an opinion so compelling that it almost qualifies as fact. Beyond the Smiths, the track is quite simply part of the discussion for "greatest track by any band ever." It's so obvious that I went looking beyond it for a representative live track. But coming up with the second-greatest Smiths song is much more problematic. Most all of them --- and certainly all of their singles --- have something that compels and something that offends. They're that enigmatic. And live cuts don't help, as the band never really commissioned any high-quality audio-video. And a lot of their sound could be lost if they weren't touring with a second guitarist. So I chose what I chose. Meanwhile, in sixth place, and just outside the money... hey, y'all, prepare yourself. [youtube:5wnxv5hm]ia9hA2UPbaw[/youtube:5wnxv5hm]

sharpie Oct 22 2014 08:38 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

An article that brings up many of the arguments we have had over the years http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2014 ... &utm_term=

Edgy MD Oct 22 2014 09:00 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Well, it sums up one side of the argument, sort of, while congratulating himself for being a music geek. Meanwhile in seventh place with seven votes is War. I like tracks where the lead vocal jumps around verse by verse. And anybody can fake their way through a verse when they're two lines long. This is also a pretty good example of early music videos that are ambitious if not particularly well budgeted. [youtube:3t5a3h3n]GMVTOxELjfU[/youtube:3t5a3h3n]

G-Fafif Oct 22 2014 03:02 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

The Spinners' hits have been a vital part of America's soundtrack for four decades. Their lesser-known work brings out some pretty big Gones, too. "Love Has Gone Away" [youtube]fnnmtEXobMY[/youtube] "Since I Been Gone" [youtube]Up-0eBIEhAY[/youtube] Both are from 1974's Mighty Love, which isn't just about who's gone. Sometimes it's about who's coming home. "I'm Coming Home" [youtube]cQBH2_rBGvY[/youtube] And if they aren't enshrined? That's the way love goes... [youtube]A9HA4we4T4M[/youtube]

Ashie62 Oct 22 2014 03:18 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

The Spinners aren't exactly "Rock n Roll"

G-Fafif Oct 22 2014 03:19 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Ashie62 wrote: The Spinners aren't exactly "Rock n Roll" Easily defined genre, eh?

Edgy MD Oct 22 2014 04:32 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

I'd say they are more so than a lot of the acts here.

Ashie62 Oct 22 2014 07:29 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

I'd say it has become the "Pop Music" hall of fame.

Ashie62 Oct 22 2014 07:31 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Edgy MD wrote: Where's the love? d'Kong76 wrote: Hey they used our song in Shrek l, enshrine us NOW! [youtube]51OB2YoC4sg[/youtube] Really is hard to ignore the Buzzcockiness of the Greens still after all these years, isn't it? Ian Hunter's daughter does this as a ballad with her girl group "The Rebelles."

Ashie62 Oct 22 2014 11:24 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

The Smiths were not the same after Lenny Kravitz joined them.

d'Kong76 Oct 23 2014 08:39 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Some morning phwam... [youtube:ew4ifbeo]akPwI92Y9S0[/youtube:ew4ifbeo]

Edgy MD Nov 11 2014 11:41 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

In seventh place, with six votes (one of them mine), is a man whose name is a sentence: Bill Withers. Jump to about two minutes if you don't truck with monologuing. Good song for Veteran's Day. [youtube:8mewdnlw]O4RyYtkifTM[/youtube:8mewdnlw]

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 11 2014 12:47 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

I also supported Bill. He himself is a vet.

Edgy MD Nov 14 2014 10:54 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Cool. Bill thanks you for your support. Funny that I saw an Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. episode a night or two ago, and damned if there wasn't an old Bill Withers album playing in one scene. Tied for eighth place with five votes, and trying to become the first Germans enshrined (I think, Nico isn't there, right?) is Kraftwerk. [youtube:54l24rpn]Mkd7LbQnfIQ[/youtube:54l24rpn]

d'Kong76 Nov 14 2014 11:32 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Scorpions were too cool for The Hall forty years ago... [youtube:265n7kqs]3nqEwJGL3pI[/youtube:265n7kqs]

G-Fafif Nov 14 2014 01:39 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

The lack of Nena in the Hall is appalling. [youtube:3s5umoiy]akajFVSFQNQ[/youtube:3s5umoiy]

Edgy MD Nov 14 2014 01:55 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

The German Pop & Rock Hall o' Fame in My Head in No Particular Order Kraftwerk Nina Hagen Nena Lene Lovich Nico The Scorpions Falco DeeDee Ramone Klaus Voorman Trio KMFDM The Other Ones The Beatles Astrid Kirchherr David Hasselhoff David Soul

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 14 2014 06:24 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

HALLOOOOOOO?

d'Kong76 Nov 14 2014 07:10 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Some of these lip sync'd videos are funny... [youtube:507goenq]cDYyXR__gQY[/youtube:507goenq]

cooby Nov 14 2014 08:15 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Some of their bare chests are funny...

TransMonk Dec 16 2014 07:46 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

The official inductees: The Paul Butterfield Blues Band Green Day Joan Jett & the Blackhearts Lou Reed Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble Bill Withers Ringo Starr - Award for Musical Excellence The "5'' Royales - Early Influence Award

Vic Sage Dec 16 2014 07:52 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

TransMonk wrote: The official inductees: The Paul Butterfield Blues Band Green Day Joan Jett & the Blackhearts Lou Reed Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble Bill Withers Ringo Starr - Award for Musical Excellence The "5'' Royales - Early Influence Award That was my ballot, plus Bill Withers, who i have no issue with.

Gwreck Dec 16 2014 08:19 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Ringo Starr getting the "award for musical excellence" is ridiculous. Note that he's not being inducted for his work with the Beatles (he's already in for that, of course). Nor is he being inducted for his solo career (not worthy). He's getting this "excellence" award instead...for what exactly? Nobody knows. This is the category they used to give to "sidemen" or similar. This is what they recognized the E Street Band in last year, and have recognized people like Hal Blaine or James Burton in the past. This award should be going to, say, Crazy Horse, and not someone like Ringo.

Edgy MD Dec 16 2014 08:21 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

As a longtime advocate for Joan Jett, I still puzzle at the inclusion of the Blackhearts. Seems like a fluid and non-distinctive band. Including Double Trouble with SVR makes more sense. What a dodged bullet Sting represents. Beyond that, I'm wondering why Ringo slips in through the side door instead of the main ballot. Musical excellence?

seawolf17 Dec 16 2014 08:34 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Because Ringo was the best Beatle.

Edgy MD Dec 16 2014 08:37 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Aren't they all being honored for musical excellence? If he was on the ballot, I'd certainly have considered him.

sharpie Dec 16 2014 10:05 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Butterfield, Lou and Bill Withers were on my ballot. I have no issue with Joan Jett or Stevie Ray getting in. Green Day ...well, whatever. Agreed on the Sting bullet dodging. More important to me than anyone in particular getting in was keeping him out. As far as Ringo, I think that's a fair thing to do. He should be there but his solo career, other than the "Ringo" album and "It Don't Come Easy" doesn't inspire many people out there.

Frayed Knot Dec 16 2014 10:11 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Gil Hodges screwed again!

Fman99 Dec 16 2014 10:12 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

No YES, no Jethro Tull. Seriously, fuck this whole thing.

Edgy MD Dec 16 2014 10:23 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Anyhows, congratulations to Bill Withers. Lovely day for him. Know what's a lovely day for me? Rolling out of bed, throwing a rugby shirt on for my big TV performance, and getting a pair of stylishly saucy nu wavers to back me up. [youtube:nfxvbytp]VKCghCN7Ypg[/youtube:nfxvbytp]

Vic Sage Dec 16 2014 12:23 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Fman99 wrote: No YES, no Jethro Tull. Seriously, fuck this whole thing. Agreed, except for the "fuck the whole thing" part. Prog Rock = Neg Respect

Mets Guy in Michigan Dec 16 2014 12:36 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 17 2014 09:06 AM

I'm not a huge Sting fan, but I like some of his stuff. I think he might be more worthy than, say, Green Day, whom I never would have guessed has been around long enough to qualify. Why the hostility? And yeah, there are a lot of hugely popular, arena-filling bands who today are scratching their heads at why Bill Withers is in the Hall and they are not.

Edgy MD Dec 16 2014 12:42 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Sting, post-Ghost in the Machine, has undermined rock 'n' roll more than embodying, influencing, or advancing it.

Frayed Knot Dec 16 2014 12:44 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Ringo gets the Montgomery Burns award for outstanding achievement in the field of excellence.

Mets Guy in Michigan Dec 16 2014 02:16 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Edgy MD wrote: Sting, post-Ghost in the Machine, has undermined rock 'n' roll more than embodying, influencing, or advancing it. I kinda like "Fortress Around my Heart."

Edgy MD Dec 16 2014 02:27 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

I don't mean to be saying there's nothing there to like.

Gwreck Dec 17 2014 08:38 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

sharpie wrote: As far as Ringo, I think that's a fair thing to do. He should be there but his solo career, other than the "Ringo" album and "It Don't Come Easy" doesn't inspire many people out there. He's already there, for the Beatles, deservedly. That's why this award makes no sense whatsoever. I don't see why giving him another award that he didn't earn is "a fair thing to do"

Mets Guy in Michigan Dec 17 2014 09:11 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Gwreck wrote: sharpie wrote: As far as Ringo, I think that's a fair thing to do. He should be there but his solo career, other than the "Ringo" album and "It Don't Come Easy" doesn't inspire many people out there. He's already there, for the Beatles, deservedly. That's why this award makes no sense whatsoever. I don't see why giving him another award that he didn't earn is "a fair thing to do" I guess it was awkward that the other Beatles were inducted as solo acts and Ringo wasn't. Using that measure, how many people are in there twice, aside from the four Beatles? Eric Clapton, Peter Gabriel, now Lou Reed. Not sure if Paul Simon is in as a solo act. Is Neil Young in with one of his other groups?

sharpie Dec 17 2014 09:14 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Neil Young is also there with Buffalo Springfield. Eric Clapton is in three times, with the Yardbirds, Cream and solo. Also multiples: David Crosby (Byrds, CS&N) Stephen Stills (Buffalo Springfield, CS&N) Graham Nash (Hollies, CS&N) Paul Simon (S&G, solo) Rod Stewart (Faces, solo)

Edgy MD Dec 17 2014 09:16 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Clapton is a three-time inductee. Neil Young is in as a solo act and with Buffalo Springfield (a highly questionable choice, from the chair I occupy). He is not, however, inducted with CSN&Y, with went in instead as CSN. OE: LATE!!

Mets Guy in Michigan Dec 17 2014 09:21 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

I completely forgot about Rod Stewart and Faces! Is Jeff Beck in there as a solo artist, too? Was he in with another group?

Vic Sage Dec 17 2014 09:26 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Edgy MD wrote: Sting, post-Ghost in the Machine, has undermined rock 'n' roll more than embodying, influencing, or advancing it. Is this about your assessment of the quality of Sting's work, or an objection to his work being referenced as related to rock n roll?

Edgy MD Dec 17 2014 09:27 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Mostly the latter. I try to be clear about that. More specifically, it's also about his determination to update his former band's and others' rock 'n' roll-related material in decidedly non-rock 'n' roll arrangements.

Edgy MD Dec 17 2014 09:32 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: I completely forgot about Rod Stewart and Faces! Is Jeff Beck in there as a solo artist, too? Was he in with another group? Beck was inducted as a solo act (not with the Jeff Beck Group) and as a member of the Yardbirds. This is another questionable choice to my thinking, as they're being recognized more for who the members of their roster ultimately became, rather than what the band actually achieved. This is more true, I think, of Buffalo Springfield.

sharpie Dec 17 2014 09:52 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Yardbirds also featured Jimmy Page so he gets in there twice.

Frayed Knot Dec 17 2014 09:56 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

sharpie wrote: Neil Young is also there with Buffalo Springfield. Eric Clapton is in three times, with the Yardbirds, Cream and solo. Also multiples: David Crosby (Byrds, CS&N) Stephen Stills (Buffalo Springfield, CS&N) Graham Nash (Hollies, CS&N) Paul Simon (S&G, solo) Rod Stewart (Faces, solo) Ronnie Wood: Faces + Stones

sharpie Dec 17 2014 10:55 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

From the R&RHOF site: inducted more than once: Eric Clapton (3x) The Yardbirds (’92), Cream (’93) and Solo (’00) Clyde McPhatter (2x) Solo (’87) and the Drifters (’88) George Harrison (2x) The Beatles (‘88) and Solo (‘04) Paul McCartney (2x) The Beatles (’88) and Solo (’99) John Lennon (2x) The Beatles (’88) and Solo (’94) Paul Simon (2x) Simon and Garfunkel (’90) and Solo (’01) David Crosby (2x) The Byrds (’91) and Crosby, Stills & Nash (’97) Curtis Mayfield (2x) The Impressions (’91) and Solo (’99) Jimmy Page (2x) The Yardbirds (’92) and Led Zeppelin (’95) Jeff Beck (2x) The Yardbirds (’92) and Solo (’09) Neil Young (2x) Solo (’95) and Buffalo Springfield (’97) Michael Jackson (2x) The Jackson 5 (’97) and Solo (’01) Stephen Stills (2x) Crosby, Stills & Nash (’97) and Buffalo Springfield (’97) Graham Nash (2x) Crosby, Stills & Nash (’97) and the Hollies (’10) John Carter (2x) The Flamingos (’01) and the Dells (’04) Sammy Strain (2x) O’Jays (’05) and Little Anthony & the Imperials (’09) Ron Wood (2x) The Rolling Stones (’89) and The Small Faces/Faces (’12) Rod Stewart (2x) Solo (’94) and The Small Faces/Faces (’12) Peter Gabriel (2x) Genesis (’10) and Solo (’14)

Edgy MD Dec 17 2014 11:14 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Johnny Carter is among the unlikelier two-timers there. His odd good fortune was being drafted. He helped found and establish The Flamingos, did his stint in the army, and when he came out, he joined the second-generation Dells and had a great run with them in the sixties. Sammy Strain is a surprise inclusion for the O'Jays, as he was only aboard for their last hit, "Used to Be My Girl." Original member Bill Isles, on the other hand, wasn't included. This seems like an accounting error more than a qualitative judgment.

SteveJRogers Dec 17 2014 04:59 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

The odd thing about Ringo is that its not technically an induction? It's simply an award. I mean, granted using a baseball analogy, Bob Murphy may get referred to as "Hall of Famer" and all the Spink, Frick and O'Neil Award winners are all considered part of the Hall's family, but officially they aren't "in" the Hall of Fame. I mean, if Ralph Kiner did get the Frick Award (and I'd imagine he will at some point), I don't think anyone was going to start proclaiming him as the baseball Hall's "first double inductee." In fact, Joe Garagiola was last year's recipient of the Buck O'Neil Award, and was the 1991 recipient of the Frick Award, and nothing was ever really brought up about him being a "two time Hall of Famer." Of course all Halls of Fame do things differently, so I'm probably just rambling, but considering how other Halls do separate inductees and other sort of honors, it does seem like legions of Ringo fans treating the news as if he is a full fledged member of the Hall is a bit much and misguided in terms of what the honor that is being bestowed is.

Edgy MD Dec 17 2014 06:34 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Class, thy name is Eric Ambel. Here's hoping he picked the right team. Friends, I appreciate all the kind words about Joan Jett & The Blackhearts getting inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. As the guitar player in the original barnstorming band that played every little club in the country I’m very excited for them. There have been a lot of guys who have contributed to the Blackhearts legacy since Gary Ryan, Danny O’brien and I answered the add in the LA Weekly that said “Joan Jett is looking for 3 good men”. Before forming the Blackhearts with Joan the three of us had already been a band for a while playing with both Rik L Rik and Top Jimmy in Los Angeles. I’m very lucky that Kenny Laguna became involved in Joan Jett & The Blackhearts and convinced us, after we’d been to London and Holland, to move from Hollywood to New York City. Kenny took us to see both the Mets and the Yankees the first week we were here and told us we needed to “pick a team”. In New York City the band found the lovely and deeply missed late Lee Crystal to play drums and we also got to work with songwriting legend and producer Ritchie Cordell. I learned quickly that you could do more in a day in New York than you could in a week in LA. As a guy from Batavia, Illinois I’ve always felt welcome in NYC and it was Joan who brought me here. Joan’s better than almost anyone knows. I never saw her do less than a kick ass show from our first month-long Tuesday residency at the Whiskey A Go Go to the last gig I played with her opening for Alice Cooper at the Cape Cod Coliseum. Of all the people I’ve ever played with only Dan Baird has the kind of rock solid immovable rhythm guitar clock that Joan does. You can build a fortress on the foundation she lays down with her right hand. Every year the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inducts a band that has had more than a few members over the years. The committee picks the version of the band that gets inducted. That’s just how it works. The band they went with didn’t include me. I’m fine with that. The people who saw the original band criss cross the USA booked by Ian Copeland’s fledgling agency FBI at a lot of clubs that never even had an original band before knew they witnessed a real force of nature. Those original fans became a family that got larger as Joan’s music reached more people. I’m not alone in the alumni column. There’s a lot of great guys who came through the band after me that won’t have to buy a new suit either. Kasim Sultan, Kenny Aronson, Thommy Price and Tony Bruno are a few. Thommy Price is still playing with Joan. Again, I’m very thankful for the start in music that I got with Joan. I’m not sure I ever would have moved to NYC where I started the Del-Lords with Scott Kempner, Frank Funaro and Manny Caiati, began my producing career which would eventually have me working with great people like Nils Lofgren, The Bottle Rockets, Jimbo Mathus, Blue Mountain, Ryan Adams, Mojo Nixon, Spanking Charlene and Freedy Johnston. I’ve toured and or recorded with lots of great people including Steve Earle & The Dukes also playing on his Grammy winning record The Revolution Starts…Now in 2005. I’ve been a member of the Yayhoos with Dan Baird, Terry Anderson and Keith Christopher. Had my own band Roscoe’s Gang and made some solo records including one with the undisputed king of recording in Springfield, MO the late great Lou Whitney. I own and operate a recording studio (Cowboy Technical) in Williamsburg Brooklyn with my partner Tim Hatfield and also had a great bar called the Lakeside Lounge (1996-2012) in the East Village with my partner “The Hound” Jim Marshall. And on top of all that I once played “Rebel Rebel” with Joan and the Coasters on a pier on the west side of Manhattan. So, I’m not gonna be getting cut off on tv saying thanks in my new suit. As the original guitar player in Joan Jett & The Blackhearts I’m saying thanks here now to Joan Jett, Kenny Laguna, Danny, Gary & Lee and I’m saying thanks to all of you too. Eric Ambel December 16, 2014

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 18 2014 06:15 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Wow. He'll never get inducted with that attitude.

Edgy MD Dec 18 2014 06:36 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

I love any essay that includes the words "only Dan Baird."

TransMonk Dec 18 2014 07:45 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

seawolf17 Dec 18 2014 08:36 AM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Edgy MD wrote: I love any essay that includes the words "only Dan Baird." Do you love it, period?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 18 2014 08:06 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Edgy MD wrote: I love any essay that includes the words "only Dan Baird." Love it all you like, bud, just keep your hands to yourself.

Edgy MD Jan 14 2015 02:55 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Don Martin produced this poster of the rock pantheon for MAD in 1978, just barely missing the simultaneous invasion by punk and nu wave hordes (save for Patti Smith), and it graced the walls of many a pimply adolescent MAD reader (unless they preferred the Beatles poster on the flip side). How's the late Don doing, Hall of Fame-wise? Act Inducted Beach Boys 1988 Bee-Gees 1997 Bread Nope Joe Cocker Nope Crosby, Stills, & Nash 1997 John Denver Nope Doobie Brothers Nope Eagles 1998 Roberta Flack Nope Fleetwood Mac 1998 Peter Frampton Nope Jethro Tull Nope Elton John 1994 Kansas Nope Carole King 1990 (inducted as a non-performer) Kiss 2014 Steve Miller Nope Hellen Reddy Nope Linda Ronstadt 2014 Leo Sayer Nope Boz Scaggs Nope Carly Simon Nope Paul Simon 2001 Patti Smith 2007 James Taylor 2000 Wings Nope Stevie Wonder 1989 Bill Withers 2015 Yes Nope I guess the best claims of being overlooked from that poster would be Chicago, Wings, and Cocker (who I'm sort of surprised isn't in there). Good call on Leo Sayer, Don.

Frayed Knot Jan 14 2015 02:59 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Apropos of nothing except that his name is in that Martin poster, I saw where the society pages of the NY Times this past Sunday contained the announcement for the marriage of Peter Frampton's daughter in NYC.

Edgy MD Jan 14 2015 06:46 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Peter Frampton's daughter played the bratty teenager shopping for a "Best Friend" necklace in Bridesmaids. I doubt it's the same one, as that actress was awful young, but maybe.

Frayed Knot Jan 14 2015 07:08 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

Yeah different one. The newly married one is older and is a fashion editor at one of the big mags. The piece listed papa Peter as living in Nashville these days although I know for a while he was hanging his hat in Cincinnati of all places.

Edgy MD Jan 14 2015 08:50 PM Re: Vote for Enshrinement 2014

First dance, to music performed by daddy. ("I'm in You," perhaps?) Daddy/daughter dance.