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2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition


Rich Aurilia 0 votes

Jeff Bagwell 19 votes

Craig Biggio 28 votes

Barry Bonds 14 votes

Aaron Boone 0 votes

Tony Clark 0 votes

Roger Clemens 11 votes

Carlos Delgado 1 votes

Jermaine Dye 0 votes

Darin Erstad 0 votes

Cliff Floyd 0 votes

Nomar Garciaparra 0 votes

Brian Giles 0 votes

Tom Gordon 0 votes

Eddie Guardado 0 votes

Randy Johnson 30 votes

Jeff Kent 4 votes

Edgar Martinez 11 votes

Pedro Martinez 29 votes

Don Mattingly 0 votes

Fred McGriff 1 votes

Mark McGwire 2 votes

Mike Mussina 2 votes

Troy Percival 0 votes

Mike Piazza 30 votes

Tim Raines 21 votes

Curt Schilling 11 votes

Jason Schmidt 0 votes

Gary Sheffield 4 votes

Lee Smith 3 votes

John Smoltz 23 votes

Sammy Sosa 1 votes

Alan Trammell 14 votes

Larry Walker 0 votes

seawolf17
Nov 25 2014 08:07 AM

Let's do this.

Link to bios: http://www.baseballhall.org/hof/2015-bbwaa-ballot

Edgy MD
Nov 25 2014 08:15 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

This never works very well, because the polling device calculates percentage in a weird way. The denominator is clearly not the number of voters.

seawolf17
Nov 25 2014 08:16 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

Perhaps, but it at least gives us some statistical sense of the temperature of the Pool.

Edgy MD
Nov 25 2014 08:23 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

Certainly. Great job building the ballot. And we'll know the leaders. I'm just disappointed in the mechanism is all. No reflection on yerself.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 25 2014 09:18 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Johnson
Piazza
Raines
Schilling
P. Martinez
E. Martinez
Smoltz

TransMonk
Nov 25 2014 09:35 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

Bagwell
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Johnson
PMartinez
Piazza
Raines
Sheffield
Smoltz

sharpie
Nov 25 2014 10:55 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

Same as TransMonk except Trammell over Smoltz.

Smoltz can get in another time.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 25 2014 11:24 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

Bagwell
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Johnson
PMartinez
Piazza
Raines
Smoltz
Trammell

Frayed Knot
Nov 25 2014 11:28 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

Sure things first, I'll deal with the others at a later date.

Craig Biggio
Pedro Martinez
Mike Piazza
John Smoltz
Randy Johnson
Tim Raines

Nymr83
Nov 26 2014 07:09 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

The self-righteous writers have clogged up the ballot not elected guys who should have gone in years ago.

my ten:
Jeff Bagwell
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Randy Johnson
Pedro Martinez
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Curt Schilling
John Smoltz
Alan Trammell

others i also would put in:
Roger Clemens - sorry, i still hate you and i'm not voting for you if there is a limit of 10 and i like other guys
Sammy Sosa
Mark McGwire

maybe:
Edgar Martinez
Jeff Kent

but i cant even discuss these guys given the clog at the top of the ballot

bmfc1
Nov 26 2014 07:23 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

Biggio
R. Johnson
P. Martinez
Piazza
Raines
Smoltz

(coincidentally, the same as FK.)

Edgy MD
Nov 26 2014 07:34 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

Our top ten thus far.

[list:3pox7cmq]T1: Randy Johnson: 22
T1: Mike Piazza: 22
3: Pedro Martinez: 21
4: Craig Biggio: 20
5: John Smoltz: 18
6: Tim Raines: 16
7: Jeff Bagwell: 15
8: Barry Bonds: 11
T9: Edgar Martinez: 10
T9: Alan Trammell: 10[/list:u:3pox7cmq]

I imagine the BBWAA of America will be less enthused about Piazza, Raines, and Bonds than we are, and the 2014 class will include Johnson, Martinez, and Biggio, with a good chance at Smoltz.

Curious that the electorate is somewhat hotter to forgive Bonds than Clemens, and hotter to forgive Clemens than Sosa. Sosa seems to get a tiny bit more slack than McGwire, and Jose Canseco can go to Hell. If you clear the slate of steroids, they're all very strong candidates, but I guess this sort of nuance is a good thing.

Nymr83
Nov 26 2014 07:44 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

Edgy MD wrote:
Our top ten thus far.

[list]T1: Randy Johnson: 22
T1: Mike Piazza: 22
3: Pedro Martinez: 21
4: Craig Biggio: 20
5: John Smoltz: 18
6: Tim Raines: 16
7: Jeff Bagwell: 15
8: Barry Bonds: 11
T9: Edgar Martinez: 10
T9: Alan Trammell: 10[/list:u]

I imagine the BBWAA of America will be less enthused about Piazza, Raines, and Bonds than we are, and the 2014 class will include Johnson, Martinez, and Biggio, with a good chance at Smoltz.

Curious that the electorate is somewhat hotter to forgive Bonds than Clemens, and hotter to forgive Clemens than Sosa. Sosa seems to get a tiny bit more slack than McGwire, and Jose Canseco can go to Hell. If you clear the slate of steroids, they're all very strong candidates, but I guess this sort of nuance is a good thing.


if anyone votes but DOES NOT vote for Piazza please let us know so that 1) we can calculate a correct percentage of the vote for each player knowing the total number of ballots and 2) we can show up at your house in the middle of the night...

MFS62
Nov 26 2014 07:45 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

Is there a bug in the voting software? Where players received one vote (e.g.- Delgado) it shows they received 0 % of the vote.

Later

Nymr83
Nov 26 2014 07:49 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

MFS62 wrote:
Is there a bug in the voting software? Where players received one vote (e.g.- Delgado) it shows they received 0 % of the vote.

Later


the % is the percent of all votes cast, not the % of the number of ballots cast so 1/202 (as of this post) is less than .5 and therefore rouded down to 0%

d'Kong76
Nov 26 2014 07:55 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

Bagwell
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Johnson
Martinez, P
Piazza
Raines
Smoltz
Trammell

Edgy MD
Nov 26 2014 07:59 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

I'm curious about which voter didn't go for Pedro. Two hundred and 19 wins may not seem like a lot, if wins are a big part of how you measure things, but against only 100 losses, it's fantastic.

Pedro from 1997 to 2003 is one of the all-time great runs of excellence. It's Koufax-in-the-early-sixties good. It's Big-Train-in-the-mid-to-late-teens good.

We saw but a shadow of that Pedro with the Mets. He had four top-shelf swing-and-miss pitches. He was unfair and unfathomable.

d'Kong76
Nov 26 2014 08:02 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

How can you tell there's a vote missing?

Edgy MD
Nov 26 2014 08:08 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

Well, at the time, the two co-leaders were holding down 22 votes, and Pedro 21. No big whoop, of course. He's in like Tony Gwynn.

MFS62
Nov 26 2014 08:24 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

Nymr83 wrote:
MFS62 wrote:
Is there a bug in the voting software? Where players received one vote (e.g.- Delgado) it shows they received 0 % of the vote.

Later


the % is the percent of all votes cast, not the % of the number of ballots cast so 1/202 (as of this post) is less than .5 and therefore rouded down to 0%

Isn't the real HOF voting based on percentage of ballots cast? So if several voters vote for fewer than 10 candidates, it doesn't matter. Why is this calculated differently?

Later

Edgy MD
Nov 26 2014 08:25 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

We didn't program the software, 62.

MFS62
Nov 26 2014 08:41 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

Edgy MD wrote:
We didn't program the software, 62.

Not pointing fingers, just asking, because it looked odd.
The explanation makes sense wrt how the percent was calculated.
Thanks.

Later

Gwreck
Nov 26 2014 09:06 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

My Ten:
Bagwell
Biggio
Bonds
Clemens
Johnson
P. Martinez
McGwire
Piazza
Raines
Trammell


Left off due to lack of room on the ballot:
E. Martinez
Schilling
Smoltz
Walker

dgwphotography
Nov 26 2014 10:15 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

Biggio
Johnson
Piazza
Raines
P. Martinez
Smoltz

The hardest for me was Bonds. I felt he more than anyone else was a HOFer before it was documented that he used PEDs, but I ultimately left him off.

86-Dreamer
Nov 26 2014 10:59 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

Bagwell
Biggio
Johnson
Pedro
Mussina
Piazza
Raines
Schilling
Smoltz
Trammel

would add Larry Walker if I had more room, and maybe Sheffield and Kent

seawolf17
Nov 26 2014 11:02 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

I am honestly stunned that anyone would vote for less than ten people this year.

MFS62
Nov 26 2014 11:09 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

seawolf17 wrote:
I am honestly stunned that anyone would vote for less than ten people this year.

I voted for nine. It was my protest because I could not cast a vote for Derek Jeter.
(SM= 99)

Later

Vic Sage
Nov 26 2014 11:27 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

so far, Ed-Mart has a 1-vote lead over Schilling for the 10th spot. Sheff is a distant 12th, with 4 votes, just ahead of Kent and Lee Smith. Nobody else is on the radar.

Edgy MD
Nov 26 2014 11:37 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

seawolf17 wrote:
I am honestly stunned that anyone would vote for less than ten people this year.

Larry Walker played all or parts of 17 seasons.

He put up a percentage line of .313 / .400 / .565 // .965.

That OPS is 15th all-time.

He homered every 18 trips to the plate.

That slugging percentage? Twelfth, all-time.

He was a six-time All-Star.

He won seven Gold Gloves.

He stole 230 bases at a 75% success rate.

He led the league's right fielders in assists three times. He was second twice. He was third twice. For his career, he is 17th all time among right fielders in assists. He tuned 40 double plays from right field.

He was the 1997 MVP. This was in an offensive boom era so booming that you had to blow up the stadium to win an MVP. Walker slugged .720. SEVEN-TWENTY!

It's Colorado, Jake, you may say, but his 141 career OPS+ is higher than those of Prince Fielder, Duke Snider, David Ortiz, Reggie Jackson, Al Kaline, Bill Terry, Ken Griffey (both of them!), George Brett, and King Freakin' Kelly among other unimpeachable stars.

Larry Walker has thus far received zero Crane Pool votes.

batmagadanleadoff
Nov 26 2014 11:49 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 26 2014 11:51 AM

I'm assuming that, so far, 27 posters voted in this thread. Therefore, a candidate would need 21 votes for HOF admission based on the current voting (75% of 27 votes = 20.25; 20 votes constitutes 74% of the vote).

So far, six candidates received enough votes for admission:

Randy Johnson (27)
Mike Piazza (27)
Pedro Martinez (26)
Craig Biggio (25)
John Smoltz (22)
Tim Raines (21)
______________
Jeff Bagwell (18)
Barry Bonds (13)
Alan Trammell (13)
Roger Clemens (11)
Edgar Martinez (10)

MFS62
Nov 26 2014 11:51 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

Cast my tenth vote for Walker.

Later

Edgy MD
Nov 26 2014 12:26 PM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

I'm assuming that, so far, 27 posters voted in this thread. Therefore, a candidate would need 21 votes for HOF admission based on the current voting (75% of 27 votes = 20.25; 20 votes constitutes 74% of the vote).

So far, six candidates received enough votes for admission:

Randy Johnson (27)
Mike Piazza (27)
Pedro Martinez (26)
Craig Biggio (25)
John Smoltz (22)
Tim Raines (21)
______________
Jeff Bagwell (18)
Barry Bonds (13)
Alan Trammell (13)
Roger Clemens (11)
Edgar Martinez (10)

Good work.

Anybody didn't vote for Johnson or Piazza, please raise your hands. Else, we'll indeed assume that our leaders' totals do indeed represent our denominator.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 26 2014 12:50 PM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

Also... I'm kind of curious who left off Pedro, just, y'know, because.

batmagadanleadoff
Nov 26 2014 01:16 PM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

Also... I'm kind of curious who left off Pedro, just, y'know, because.


[fimg=444]http://caseymarketingservices.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/vote-for-pedro.jpg[/fimg]

I didn't vote in this thread, but if I did, or if I had a real HOF ballot, I might omit Pedro. Here's why: if I decide that there are more than 10 deserving candidates --- and Pedro would surely be one of those deserving candidates, he's a no-doubter, inner circle HOF'er --- I'd winnow my list of candidates to 10 based on how long each candidate was HOF eligible, descending order. I'd give players like Raines and Trammell and (Edgar) Martinez priority over newer eligibles, like Pedro.

Edgy MD
Nov 26 2014 03:13 PM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

I kinda did that.

Zvon
Nov 26 2014 08:50 PM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

My list went:

Craig Biggio
Randy Johnson
Jeff Kent
Edgar Martinez
Pedro Martinez
Mike Piazza
Curt Schilling
Gary Sheffield
Lee Smith
John Smoltz


That was off the top of my head. I didn't go comparing numbers or anything like that. If I seriously checked career stats and whatnot my list might be a little different, but not much.

Gwreck
Dec 23 2014 11:30 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

I was surprised to see so few votes for Edgar Martinez.

I thought Jay Jaffe's piece for SI was a very good read on Martinez's worthiness of induction: [url]http://www.si.com/mlb/2014/12/23/jaws-2015-hall-of-fame-ballot-edgar-martinez

Edgy MD
Dec 23 2014 11:40 AM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

I'm Larry Walker. Sucks to be me.

GuyVotesPct.
Randy Johnson30100.0%
Mike Piazza30100.0%
Pedro Martinez2996.7%
Craig Biggio2893.3%
John Smoltz2583.3%
Tim Raines2170.0%
Jeff Bagwell1963.3%
Barry Bonds1446.7%
Alan Trammell1446.7%
Roger Clemens1136.7%
Edgar Martinez1136.7%
Curt Schilling1033.3%
Jeff Kent413.3%
Gary Sheffield413.3%
Lee Smith310.0%
Mark McGwire26.7%
Carlos Delgado13.3%
Fred McGriff13.3%
Mike Mussina13.3%
Sammy Sosa13.3%
Rich Aurilia00.0%
Aaron Boone00.0%
Tony Clark00.0%
Jermaine Dye00.0%
Darin Erstad00.0%
Cliff Floyd00.0%
Nomar Garciaparra00.0%
Brian Giles00.0%
Tom Gordon00.0%
Eddie Guardado00.0%
Don Mattingly00.0%
Troy Percival00.0%
Jason Schmidt00.0%
Larry Walker00.0%

Edgy MD
Dec 28 2014 09:29 PM
Re: 2015 HOF Ballot, CPF Edition

.280 / .383 / .546 // .929

Who wouldn't sign up for that line from their first baseman any year? Well, that's Carlos Delgado, over 17 years.

But he has one vote.