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Syndergaard for Profar
Yes | 13 votes |
No | 9 votes |
John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 09 2014 09:29 AM |
Profar, a one-time #1 prospect by baseball America, from Curaco, 21 years old, shortstop, switch hitter, missed all last year with shoulder injury.
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Edgy MD Dec 09 2014 09:49 AM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
I'm clinically trade averse. I avoid them before they happen, and get on board reluctantly after, so I don't do it.
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metsmarathon Dec 09 2014 09:50 AM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
ooh, interesting...
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 09 2014 09:51 AM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
yeah obviously his injury is something to watch. But this is the kind of thing they oughta look at doing.
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Ceetar Dec 09 2014 09:57 AM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
Profar's got a 2.000 OPS in the World Series. you gotta make that deal no?
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TransMonk Dec 09 2014 10:06 AM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
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Per Rotoworld (bolding mine):
I'm reluctant. He's been stagnant with injury for 2 years now.
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Edgy MD Dec 09 2014 10:11 AM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
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Alex Claudio. [youtube]JQnN-qZ3_aw[/youtube] Fangraphs sez: Claudio made his made his major-league debut at the age of 22 years and 194 days — the 15th youngest player of the 167 to do that so far in 2014. Generally speaking, prospects who enter the majors with such youth are doing so because they’re either (a) regarded almost universally as top prospects or (b) a LOOGY. Claudio’s absence from McDaniel’s organizational list for the Rangers suggests that he doesn’t belong to the former category. And yet, even though he’s a left-handed pitcher, Claudio’s not a traditional LOOGY, either. Rather, his best pitch — or at least his most excellently strange one — is a changeup that sits in the mid- to high-60s, roughly 20 mph slower than his (rather slow) fastball. The changeup, of course, is typically utilized to neutralize opposite-handed batters. It follows, then, that if Claudio has an excellent changeup, that he’s also a candidate to neutralize platoon advantages. In either case, here’s slow-motion footage of Claudio’s entirely slow changeup. Science indicates that, upon viewing it, one is able to travel backwards in time:
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d'Kong76 Dec 09 2014 10:17 AM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
I took no, too risky taking on other teams guys that
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A Boy Named Seo Dec 09 2014 10:38 AM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
Maybe the wrong spot for this, but I was wondering this morning about the plausibility of a Francisco Lindor/Noah Syndergaard trade. The Indians like this Jose Ramirez guy and their former (current #1) could maybe be had. Profar has the higher offensive ceiling of the two, I bet, but Lindor is great defensively and healthy. YOU MAKE THE CALL.
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Frayed Knot Dec 09 2014 10:56 AM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
Lindor or (a healthy) Profar are exactly the kind type of deals that they should be looking at.
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HahnSolo Dec 09 2014 10:57 AM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
Profar is still only 21? Feels like he's been a prospect forever.
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smg58 Dec 09 2014 11:21 AM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
You have to at least think about it. The question is whether the injury will compromise him long term.
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86-Dreamer Dec 09 2014 01:51 PM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
I voted Yes, but more Yes to the concept of trading him for a high end SS prospect than Yes to Profar specifically.
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Vic Sage Dec 09 2014 01:55 PM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
All this cautious "i'd do it if he were healthy" stuff ... yeah, well, no shit.
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Chad Ochoseis Dec 09 2014 02:19 PM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
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Here's the view from the Indians side, courtesy of a college friend of mine who grew up in Cleveland: Nope. Jose Ramirez was a nice surprise, but Lindor is the second coming of Omar Vizquel. Ramirez will find a spot as a utility guy, or even at second base if Kipnis continues to decline. And while you can never have too much young pitching, we do have quite a bit of it right now.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 09 2014 02:31 PM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
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All may be true but Texas has a kind of reverse problem we have in that between Sardianas, Profar, Odor and Andrus they have more young middle infielders than they necessarily can use at one time and wouldn't want to miss whatever opportunity to capitalize this presents. We're matched up! We have 2 pitchers from Texas to give ya! LETS MAKE A DEALSANDY!!!!!11
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A Boy Named Seo Dec 09 2014 03:47 PM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
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Indians fans effing love Omar. If not him, JCL's right that there's a good matchup w/ Texas. I'd back Profar. It'd be another great young guy challenge trade (35% more exciting than Heyward for Miller). I thought Texas was gonna try to use Profar at 2B last year (even though they have the unfortunately named Roughened Odor there, too). If they think Odor stinks, our lil fantasy trade don't go down.
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Edgy MD Dec 09 2014 04:16 PM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
I love Omar Vizquel too. What I love about Vizquel is that he has about as low a profile as an athlete can get while still qualifying for a published memoir that got national distribution. But despite his long career (he got into 60 games at 45 years old!), he never had a defining nickname, never had a defining clever quote, never had a defining trademarked tagline that the play-by-play guy would shout when he did something notable.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 09 2014 04:53 PM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
Profar's already got an injury. Syndergaard-- like, like, 80 % of power pitchers these days-- has an elbow issue in his future, prolly.
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Ashie62 Dec 10 2014 11:57 AM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
No, I think we can do better.
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Edgy MD Dec 10 2014 12:03 PM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
No was up 8-6 at the close of business hours yesterday. Yes now leads 11-9.
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Ceetar Dec 10 2014 12:12 PM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
I voted no, but mainly because I'm concerned about his poor numbers in his major league career so far, coupled with injury.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 10 2014 12:14 PM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
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Name a guy. Seriously, go nuts. One guy.
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TransMonk Dec 10 2014 12:38 PM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
I've changed my mind over the past 24 hours. I originally voted "No", but would vote "Yes" now.
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A Boy Named Seo Dec 10 2014 12:43 PM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
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I haven't heard it discussed IRL. I think it was just a JCL WATP, but a good one. I do think he was right, though, that we might have to include Muffy for this thing to really really happen and they could throw in '_________" back our way and BAM.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 10 2014 01:42 PM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
Yeah I totally made it up, or you know, introduced it here after seeing it elsewhere, I think asking the question helped to put our possibilities into perspective a little, even if for whatever reason the Mets unable or unwilling to explore them.
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TransMonk Dec 10 2014 01:50 PM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
Is Puma a lurker?
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Edgy MD Dec 10 2014 01:57 PM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
Wow, it's like a comedy festival!
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Frayed Knot Dec 10 2014 02:15 PM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
Yeah, ya gotta like comments like these in response to Puma claiming the Mets don't consider Andrus or Profar a possibility:
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Lefty Specialist Dec 10 2014 03:58 PM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
Well, if he's going to have his shoulder checked out, it better not be by the Met doctors. Better they go to Walgreens and ask the pharmacist to take a look at him.
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Edgy MD Dec 10 2014 07:49 PM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
I don't believe for a minute that the Mets have distinctly less able doctors than the standard.
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sharpie Dec 11 2014 02:52 PM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
Maybe not a good idea
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 11 2014 03:25 PM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
So... Montero for Profar?
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MFS62 Dec 11 2014 03:27 PM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
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If Profar isn't healthy he ain't worth diddly. Later
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 11 2014 03:42 PM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
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If Profar's farther away from healthy than he might have hoped he'd be at this point, but headed in the right direction, he's a buying opportunity.
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MFS62 Dec 11 2014 03:52 PM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
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Then (my sneaky mind at work, not sure if its legal wrt MLB rules) lock in a healthy Profar. Trade them a minor league infielder (Tovar?) and a PTBNL (Thor, or a veteran or combo of players) for one of their minor league prospects and a PTBNL (who will be Profar once he has proven that he's healthy). If he doesn't get healthy, bail out with lower level players on both sides. Later
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Lefty Specialist Dec 12 2014 07:52 PM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
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Yeah, but there'd be no use of Syndegaardian currency in the purchase.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 12 2014 11:01 PM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
Well, yeah, my point exactly.
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Vic Sage Dec 14 2014 08:54 PM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
if Profar' demonstrates that he's healthy and productive, then they won't WANT to trade him, so why would they do this? It seems to me that the opportunity is only here BECAUSE of the risks involved.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 14 2014 10:19 PM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
There's the issue of Texas having too many young infielders and not enough young pitching; and our opposite problem.
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Vic Sage Dec 15 2014 08:52 AM Re: Syndergaard for Profar |
if filling mutual needs was all it took, Starlin Castro might be a Met today. But there is a question of value, or perceived value, that may have kept that deal from happening, and would keep this one from happening, too.
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