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Crane Pool War of the Supes, Round 1: Superman vs. Superboy

Superman

22 votes

Superboy

0 votes

Edgy MD Nov 18 2014 09:03 AM

Our grid features a lot of personality splits. Not only can the same persona appear more than once if it has been taken on by more than one distinct character, but the same character can appear more than once if he or she has taken on more than one distinct super persona. Thus, our first matchup, from the Aliens bracket of the DC/Indie conference, is a strange one: the same character at two distinct parts of his life. Yes, in some continuities, Clark Kent doesn't take on his crime-fighting lifestyle until adulthood, but Superboy has a long published history in other continuities, so he makes the list and confronts his adult self with all his Kryptonian moxie. [fimg=300]http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/148326/3958049-5583656629-16868.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=300]http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/362/c/8/c881a25f08197c27f120f8178c3bc743-d35wndk.jpg[/fimg] Name: Superman Name: Superboy AKA: Clark Kent, Kal-El AKA: Clark Kent, Kal-El Creator(s): Jerry Siegel, Joe Schuster Creator(s): Jerry Siegel, Joe Schuster Origin: The destroyed planet of Krypton Origin: The destroyed planet of Krypton Base of Operations: Metropolis Base of Operations: Smallville, KS Powers: Super strength, super speed, flight, invulnerability, heat vision, x-ray vision, cold and powerful breath Powers: Super strength, super speed, flight, invulnerability, heat vision, x-ray vision, cold and powerful breath

Ceetar Nov 18 2014 09:19 AM Re: Crane Pool War of the Supes, Round 1: Superman vs. Super

I'm going with the grown up, and I'm using the most recent Lois Lane as my reason. [fimg=300:20vwcdhw]http://media.comicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Man-of-Steel-Lois-Lane.jpg[/fimg:20vwcdhw]

Vic Sage Nov 18 2014 09:28 AM Re: Crane Pool War of the Supes, Round 1: Superman vs. Super

The character of SUPERBOY isn't just SUPERMAN as a teenager. The character also includes his incarnation as Kon-El, a Kryptonian human hybrid created by PRoject Cadmus after the "Death of Superman" event, in 1993. He has appeared as a major character in TEEN TITANS. So people can vote for him in that capacity as well.

Edgy MD Nov 18 2014 09:39 AM Re: Crane Pool War of the Supes, Round 1: Superman vs. Super

Good point. Image link isn't working for me. Feel free to share any lynx to the Kon-El story.

Fman99 Nov 18 2014 10:28 AM Re: Crane Pool War of the Supes, Round 1: Superman vs. Super

Super MAN must have gotten more super TAIL than Super BOY. I'm sure of this. Super BOY was probably just doing a lot of Super DRY HUMPING.

Edgy MD Nov 18 2014 10:48 AM Re: Crane Pool War of the Supes, Round 1: Superman vs. Super

I never got down with Superboy having a super dog. I mean, two survivors exist from the destruction of Krypton and one is a dog? Yeah, they worked hard on making the story plausible, that Jor-El sent the dog into space first as a test subject for his kid's eventual fight, and the dog luckily landed on earth eventually also. But what sort of dick uses his kid's dog as a guinea pig? Is Jor-El exercising the same sort of superdickery his son would be known for years later?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 18 2014 11:15 AM Re: Crane Pool War of the Supes, Round 1: Superman vs. Super

Vic Sage wrote: The character of SUPERBOY isn't just SUPERMAN as a teenager. The character also includes his incarnation as Kon-El, a Kryptonian human hybrid created by PRoject Cadmus after the "Death of Superman" event, in 1993. He has appeared as a major character in TEEN TITANS. So people can vote for him in that capacity as well. There's also Legion Superboy/Mon-el, the least interesting Legionnaire. And then there's Superboy-Prime, who, after helping resolve the parallel-universe-problem in Crisis of Infinite Earths, later broke out of his "paradise" prison and evolved into a particularly relatable but nasty villain. (DC continuity gives me a Drunken Cerebellum.) All variations on a theme, though... and though I like the latter-day lab-grown one, none of these variants are really compelling enough to beat Siegel/Shuster's OG melody.

RealityChuck Nov 18 2014 01:51 PM Re: Crane Pool War of the Supes, Round 1: Superman vs. Super

I haven't read comics for years, but I always prefered Superman. He was my favorite hero (next to the Flash); Superboy was interesting, but no match.

Vic Sage Nov 18 2014 02:15 PM Re: Crane Pool War of the Supes, Round 1: Superman vs. Super

i was always more of a Batman guy than a fan of the big blue boyscout, but props must be paid. And while i like the Kon-El superboy, he has no chance against Jor-El's baby boy.

Nymr83 Nov 18 2014 08:33 PM Re: Crane Pool War of the Supes, Round 1: Superman vs. Super

Vic Sage wrote: i was always more of a Batman guy than a fan of the big blue boyscout, but props must be paid. And while i like the Kon-El superboy, he has no chance against Jor-El's baby boy. Batman was the only DC comic i liked when i was younger, my exposure to green lantern coming much later and superman being even today limited to movies and television. but really, "superboy" is another questionable inclusion in the list, i smell a DC bias on your part!!!

Vic Sage Nov 18 2014 09:30 PM Re: Crane Pool War of the Supes, Round 1: Superman vs. Super

there are more marvel superheroes on the list (8 full brackets) than DC characters (6 brackets, plus 2 Indie brackets). And when you are coming up with 128 characters, sometimes the pickings get slim, particularly when you're trying to stay within certain themes. That being said, Superboy isn't a minor character. He's been around, in one form or another, since the golden age. He's been part of the Legion, Teen Titans, and had his own title. He's even had his own TV series (Smallville). You don't have to like him, but it would've been silly not to include him.

SteveJRogers Nov 18 2014 09:33 PM Re: Crane Pool War of the Supes, Round 1: Superman vs. Super

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: then there's Superboy-Prime, who, after helping resolve the parallel-universe-problem in Crisis of Infinite Earths, later broke out of his "paradise" prison and evolved into a particularly relatable but nasty villain. (DC continuity gives me a Drunken Cerebellum.) He punched holes through a time wall. Which gave "reasons" for certain events to be retconned. Most notably, reversing the Jason Todd Robin's death. Oh he still died at the hands of The Joker (and fan voting by telephone) but he was "magically" brought back to life...by Superboy punching a wall...*sigh*

Nymr83 Nov 18 2014 11:42 PM Re: Crane Pool War of the Supes, Round 1: Superman vs. Super

Vic Sage wrote: there are more marvel superheroes on the list (8 full brackets) than DC characters (6 brackets, plus 2 Indie brackets). And when you are coming up with 128 characters, sometimes the pickings get slim, particularly when you're trying to stay within certain themes. That being said, Superboy isn't a minor character. He's been around, in one form or another, since the golden age. He's been part of the Legion, Teen Titans, and had his own title. He's even had his own TV series (Smallville). You don't have to like him, but it would've been silly not to include him. The smallville character is just superman as a kid, that shouldnt qualify as a separate character

Edgy MD Nov 19 2014 07:30 AM Re: Crane Pool War of the Supes, Round 1: Superman vs. Super

Yeah, Vic and I went back and forth on this kind of thing. (I didn't like the interfamilial match-ups in Round One.) Superboy was the same dude, but with a different narrative in a differentish universe. It's the sort of point I yielded 'cuz I didn't want to hold up the entire enterprise disputing which 128th seed would get his clock cleaned in round one. Vic did a lot of heavy lifting.

dgwphotography Nov 19 2014 08:52 AM Re: Crane Pool War of the Supes, Round 1: Superman vs. Super

I always preferred the big blue boy scout (to borrow Vic's phrase), but I like my heroes to have no shades of gray. I know that were are talking comics here, but Christopher Reeve's Superman is still the gold standard that all other super heroes should be measured against, IMHO. Just to add here, DC showed this at NYCC last year to celebrate Superman's 75th anniversary. I must admit to getting chills when I first saw this: [youtube:3azh615k]xzS7Jq6bWx8[/youtube:3azh615k]

Vic Sage Nov 19 2014 01:46 PM Re: Crane Pool War of the Supes, Round 1: Superman vs. Super

i saw that at the Con. Awesome. As for SUPERBOY... he's been a major character in the DC universe almost non-stop since 1945, separate and apart from being a young Superman, headlining at least 4 different titles that i can remember. And just as we have Flashes and Green lanterns from different eras competing against each other, we also have Dick Grayson as both Nightwing and Robin, competing against himself. First rounds are just about cannon fodder. So this first round is about weeding out the weak of each family group of characters, and then mixing up the groups against each other. But i thought it of value to at least start with defined groups represented by the major archtypal characters in each universe, so you don't have the major characters knocking each other off in the 1st round. They'll be time for that later. And its also fun to think of the characters in these kinds of groups, seeing their connections. At least i think it is. And Edgy was free to replace Batwoman with Batmite if he wanted to!

Benjamin Grimm Nov 20 2014 07:37 AM Re: Crane Pool War of the Supes, Round 1: Superman vs. Super

Superman, obviously. I'm not much of a DC guy; the only ones I can think of offhand who might get my vote over a Marvel character would be Green Lantern, Batman, or Doom Patrol (if they had an entry as a team instead of individuals).

Edgy MD Nov 29 2014 07:28 AM Re: Crane Pool War of the Supes, Round 1: Superman vs. Super

This one hits the books as Big Clark beats Little Clark in super-lative fashion, 22-0. It's the sort of score you expect when men are pitted against boys.