Crane Pool War of the Supes, Round 1: Wolverine vs. Dazzler

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Crane Pool War of the Supes, Round 1: Wolverine vs. Dazzler

Wolverine 10 votes

Dazzler 10 votes

Edgy MD
Nov 18 2014 12:22 PM

It's claws vs. light in this battle of sometimes X-Men teamies. As we look at the Bronze-Era X-Mutants bracket of the Marvel Conference, one thing is for sure: both of these heroes know how to rock a leather jacket.

[fimg=300]http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149524/4104640-0754468191-40455.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=300]http://cdn1.sciencefiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Dazzler.jpg[/fimg]
Name: Wolverine Name: Dazzler
AKA: Logan Howlett, John Logan, james Howlett, Captain Canada AKA: Alison Blair, Disco Dazzler, Ultimate Dazzler
Creator(s): Len Wein, John Romita, Sr. Creator(s): Tom DeFalco, John Romita, Jr., Louise Simonson, Roger Stern, Frank Springer
Origin: Northwest Territories, Canada Origin: Gardendale, NY
Base of Operations: New York, Canada, Madripoor, Japan, Hell itself, anywhere he hangs his hat --- a drifter, but Madripoor is probably where he identifies most Base of Operations: Manhattan, Los Angeles, Australian Outback (with late-80's X-Men)
Teams: X-Men, X-Force, Avengers, etc., but his own guy in the end Teams: X-Men, Gladiators, New Excalibur, S.H.I.E.L.D.
Powers: Super healing, adamantium-infused skeleton, razor-sharp adamantium claws, fangs, long life, enhanced strength, savage fighting skills, animal-like enhanced sensory abilities Powers: Converts sound into light of various concentration and intensity (and destructive force) as needed; abnormally skillled singer, dancer, rollerskater

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 18 2014 12:30 PM
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I was confused as Dazzler's name in your little chart is still "Spider-Woman."

You should also have a column detailing each guy's weaknesses as that could tip the balance in some of these battles.

Ceetar
Nov 18 2014 12:32 PM
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wtf kinda of name is Dazzler anyway? Bet she really wows on corporate presentations.

Edgy MD
Nov 18 2014 12:35 PM
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It's a winning name.

Marketing is heroic too!

Dazzler takes the early lead!

Edgy MD
Nov 18 2014 12:40 PM
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Cool thing about Dazzler is that, while she paid the bills with disco, what she really liked singing was Elvis Costello-inspired nu wave.

Also a Rattle & Hum fan.

cooby
Nov 18 2014 12:41 PM
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Really lame reason I voted for Dazzler: I don't like Hugh Jackman

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 18 2014 01:20 PM
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I'm enjoying the Cooby Take on these much more than I should.

As well-worn as Wolvie has gotten-- between the comic overexposure and the movies and the more movies and the cartoons-- Dazzler's a spunky, tube-topped party decoration.

Edgy MD
Nov 18 2014 01:34 PM
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How many records did Scratchy cut? Huh? How many?

cooby
Nov 18 2014 01:36 PM
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Her picture changed!

RealityChuck
Nov 18 2014 01:52 PM
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Don't care much for either, but Wolverine is slightly better.

metsmarathon
Nov 18 2014 01:54 PM
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it must be tough to fight bad guys and supervillains with your ass painted blue.

unfortunately for dazzler, while i would love to vote for her against the similarly overexposed wolverine, i cannot. i shall instead vote for the dude with the, as minimm calls them, "chingers"

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 18 2014 01:58 PM
Re: Crane Pool War of the Supes, Round 1: Wolverine vs. Dazz

Edgy MD wrote:
How many records did Scratchy cut? Huh? How many?

There were those years with the Misfits, but he was a bit more prolific-- naturally-- on his own.

And he has done Broadway.

Edgy MD
Nov 18 2014 02:02 PM
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cooby wrote:
Her picture changed!

The jacket gives her dignity. I liked her eighties look, as egregious as it was to give her a painted butt in place of trousers.

Frank Springer drew her like a boss, though.

Vic Sage
Nov 18 2014 02:06 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 18 2014 02:55 PM

Wolverine and the "new X-men" was the point at which i stopped reading Marvel... that late Bronze age anti-hero stuff (wolvie, punisher) set the stage for more interesting stuff at DC... WATCHMEN, DARK KNIGHT, V, SANDMAN, etc, so i jumped ship over to the evil empire and gave up my no prize. I was no longer a true believer.

And DAZZLER is HOT, especially the way that the great Frank Springer drew her. But no, sorry. I can't vote for a disco queen.

Mets – Willets Point
Nov 18 2014 02:12 PM
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THE Frank Springer?

Edgy MD
Nov 18 2014 02:17 PM
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The one and only.

There's a superhero. Look at that chin!

Vic Sage
Nov 18 2014 03:46 PM
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That's some chin, alright.
You could cut glass with that chin. You could be The Crimson Chin with that chin.

Nymr83
Nov 18 2014 08:31 PM
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Went with Wolverine, but barely. Dazzler was a big part of my favorite comics - the mid 80's to early 90's x-men from around the time of Xavier's disappearance through at least the split into the x-men/uncanny xmen books. wolverine in this period was annoying and he remained that way until the 90's xmen cartoon before promptly going back to annoying me in the movies. but he is an iconic character and Dazzler has faded into mainstream nothingness if she was ever even there

Vic Sage
Nov 18 2014 09:44 PM
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i would never have guessed this one would be close; i had Logan going to the final 4!
but that's what Round 1 is all about. Upsets, baby!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 18 2014 09:57 PM
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This seems a little more like a Wolverine protest vote.

Nymr83
Nov 18 2014 11:45 PM
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
This seems a little more like a Wolverine protest vote.

I guess we'll see how far Dazzler gets, but yeah, I could see the anti-Wolverine crowd at play here.

Fman99
Nov 19 2014 04:18 AM
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I'm not voting against a girl in hot pants who loves roller skating.

Besides, also, there's that big ole' behind! I mean, I'd like to slap some barbecue sauce on that big ol' butt and just uh burr burr burr burr burrrr.

Edgy MD
Nov 19 2014 08:21 AM
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This is looking like our first big upset. We may have to get a few Romitas into the pool to balance the bias.

MFS62
Nov 19 2014 08:26 AM
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Fman99 wrote:
I'm not voting against a girl in hot pants who loves roller skating.

And if she ever decides to stop being a superhero, there's a vacant dance pole at my local club just waiting for her.

Later

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 20 2014 07:34 AM
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Wolverine. I understand the backlash; he's been way too overexposed. But he was one of the most original characters Marvel created after the burst of energy that they had in the Silver Age. During the Claremont-Byrne years of X-Men, he was a highlight. True, there was a lot of nonsense that came later on, but just about every long-running character has a period where they're misused. I'm voting for the original, fresh version of Wolverine, who should be very hard to beat. Dazzler, although sexy, was never an important or notable character.

Vic Sage
Nov 20 2014 07:40 AM
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stop bringing a reasoned perspective to this, Grimm.

Edgy MD
Nov 20 2014 09:31 AM
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Sound-to-concentrated light is a cool superpower!

Nymr83
Nov 20 2014 12:11 PM
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What happens in a tie?

Edgy MD
Nov 20 2014 12:36 PM
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I don't know. I'm thinking a Runway Walk-Off judged by David Bowie.

Valadius
Nov 20 2014 04:02 PM
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This is appropriate.

Nymr83
Nov 20 2014 06:39 PM
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Valadius wrote:
This is appropriate.

hHhHhhahahahaha

Vic Sage
Nov 20 2014 08:54 PM
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tie should go to the higher seed. You gotta beat the champ to be the champ.

Nymr83
Nov 20 2014 09:00 PM
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Nymr83 wrote:
Valadius wrote:
This is appropriate.

hHhHhhahahahaha

i have switched my vote to Dazzler on the basis of this video.

Frayed Knot
Nov 27 2014 09:26 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
The one and only.

There's a superhero. Look at that chin!

Now THERE'S a chin

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 28 2014 05:52 AM
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Vic Sage wrote:
tie should go to the higher seed. You gotta beat the champ to be the champ.

And it is, in fact, a tie. Does it go to Wolverine, as Vic suggests, or should we make each of the characters write a song parody?

Oh Wolverine, why can't you be true?
Oh Wolverine, why can't you be true?
You're the best there is at doing the things you do.

Vic Sage
Nov 29 2014 07:21 AM
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tie goes to the higher seed...
so says the High Evolutionary

Edgy MD
Nov 29 2014 07:26 AM
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This goes down indeed as a tie. We'll come up with a vote-off next week.

Mets – Willets Point
Nov 29 2014 08:31 AM
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Perhaps they should form a team to fight their next rival together.

metsmarathon
Nov 29 2014 02:56 PM
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One overly complicated strategy would be to make the upstream matchup a round robin. Wolvie vs the next guy, and dazzler vs the next guy. Whoever has the most total votes advances.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 29 2014 09:15 PM
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Vic Sage wrote:
tie goes to the higher seed...
so says the High Evolutionary

Seconded. That's part of the reason you've GOT seeds.

Edgy MD
Nov 30 2014 05:53 AM
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Bah! Victory must come on the field of honor. Not in the stinking, smoke filled board room of the seeding committee.

Zvon
Nov 30 2014 02:03 PM
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I went with Wolverine because I had heard of him.
If I had noticed that Mex was in the Dazzler comic it might have swayed me.

Vic Sage
Dec 01 2014 01:04 PM
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no take-backsies!

Benjamin Grimm
Dec 01 2014 01:18 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Bah! Victory must come on the field of honor. Not in the stinking, smoke filled board room of the seeding committee.

I can see using the seeding method to give Wolverine a victory over Dazzler, but what if there's a future round where Superman ties with Batman? Or Hulk ties with Thor? In a case like that, it's not at all obvious who should have been the higher seed.

I like the idea of having Wolverine and Dazzler each have a play-in round against two of the first-round winners. Their opponents would have to be the lowest seeds (however that's determined), because a high seed should be exempt from the extra battle.

This method would work (I think) in every round except for the ultimate final matchup. If that ends in a tie, then I'd say that we have co-winners.

metsmarathon
Dec 01 2014 02:13 PM
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i don't think you need a play-in with addeed jeopardy. just play each of dazzler and wolverine against the next matchup ahead of them. the guy they'd face if they'd won stratight up.

if each matchup nets 20 votes, then it's easy. whoever totals the most votes in each of their two matchups wins.

if the next guy they would face is, for instance, bishop, and wolverine beats "bishop" 18-2, and dazzler beats "bishop" 14-6, then wolverine (28 votes), would be the winner, and would advance to the third round. past dazzler (24) and "bishop" (8).

if "bishop" beats wolverine 18-2, but loses to dazzler 15-5, then dazzler (25 votes) advances past "bishop" (23) and wolverine (12)

if hte subsequent matchups have different than 20 votes total, then you just normalize them where 1 is the total number of votes in each matchup and, in the wolverine/dazzler matchup, each scored a 0.5.

Edgy MD
Dec 01 2014 02:27 PM
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I think that's where we're headed.

Vic Sage
Dec 01 2014 03:15 PM
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that makes sense... which makes me suspicious.

metsmarathon
Dec 02 2014 07:11 AM
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the one potential downside is if wolverine and dazzler both tie "bishop", you carry that three-way-tie up one more level. so long as eventually, the tie is broken, the contest moves along merrily.

it also provides a framework for subsequent ties. except for hte final round. no idea what to do then. lets not build that bridge, so we never have to cross it.

Benjamin Grimm
Dec 02 2014 07:33 AM
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If the final round ends in a tie, I say we just declare co-champions. Like Keith Hernandez and Willie Stargell.