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CPF War of the Supes, Round 1: Batman vs. Batwoman

Batman

19 votes

Batwoman

1 votes

Edgy MD Nov 18 2014 04:31 PM

Another interfamilial throwdown comes to the fore in our superhero war. Batwoman was pretty much conceived explicitly to counter accusations of the Seduction of the Innocents era --- to create heteronormative counterpart for Batman and take the eyebrow-raising spotlight off his relationship with Robin. But she has certainly developed her own reason for being over the years, and irony being irony, ended up being perhaps the first big shop supe to come out as a same-sexer. Batman, is... well, he's Batman. This matchup comes from the Batfamily bracket of the DC/Indie Conference. [fimg=350]http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111130700/3671926-9136109768-35352.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=250]http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/15776/851614-batgirl2.jpg[/fimg] Name: Batman Name: Batwoman AKA: Bruce Wayne, the Dark Knight, the Caped Crusader AKA: Kathy Kane, Kate Kane Creator(s): Bill Finger, Bob Kane Creator(s): Bob Kane, Sheldon Moldoff, Edmond Hamilton Origin: Gotham City, New Jersey Origin: Gotham City, New Jersey Base of Operations: Gotham City, New Jersey Base of Operations: Gotham City, New Jersey Teams: The Justice League of America, The Super Friends Teams: The Female Furies Powers: No superpowers, but pretty much in the top percentile of un-enhanced humans with regard to strength, agility, intelligence, ferocity, and inexhaustible wealth. Great athlete, great detective, great inventor, hell of a lot of pain tolerance. Powers: No superpowers, but a great athlete and highly skilled in the arts of hand-to-hand combat. She's a great detective with a spy's facitlity for creative use of gadgetry. The showdown should look something like this:

Nymr83 Nov 18 2014 08:26 PM Re: CPF War of the Supes, Round 1: Batman vs. Batwoman

::Yawn:: if batwoman is in your top 100 you already left someone better out

Edgy MD Nov 18 2014 08:47 PM Re: CPF War of the Supes, Round 1: Batman vs. Batwoman

That's what Bat-Mite said!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 18 2014 09:14 PM Re: CPF War of the Supes, Round 1: Batman vs. Batwoman

Batgirl was pretty hot.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 18 2014 09:54 PM Re: CPF War of the Supes, Round 1: Batman vs. Batwoman

Different lass. Like Spider-Woman, Batwoman's another surprisingly interesting character (especially post-"New 52" reboot; her series is one hell of a read). But, yeah.

Fman99 Nov 19 2014 04:20 AM Re: CPF War of the Supes, Round 1: Batman vs. Batwoman

Gotham is in NJ? I don't think I knew this.

metsmarathon Nov 19 2014 06:46 AM Re: CPF War of the Supes, Round 1: Batman vs. Batwoman

metropolis is located somewhere variably in south jersey, and metropolis is frequently in delaware, of all places. because when i think delaware, i think metropolis. wait, no. i don't htink i ever think delaware...

Edgy MD Nov 19 2014 08:34 AM Re: CPF War of the Supes, Round 1: Batman vs. Batwoman

Gotham and Metropolis are obviously analogs for NYC, but recent atlases have placed them in specific places and even mapped Gotham street by street.

Mets – Willets Point Nov 19 2014 08:40 AM Re: CPF War of the Supes, Round 1: Batman vs. Batwoman

Fman99 wrote: Gotham is in NJ? I don't think I knew this. I was going to say this. Gotham was a nickname for New York coined by Washington Irving. How can it be any place other than New York?

MFS62 Nov 19 2014 08:50 AM Re: CPF War of the Supes, Round 1: Batman vs. Batwoman

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Fman99 wrote: Gotham is in NJ? I don't think I knew this. I was going to say this. Gotham was a nickname for New York coined by Washington Irving. How can it be any place other than New York? If Gotham being anywhere other than New York is the only thing that doesn't seem real about super hero comics, then ..... I dunno. But that came as a shocker to me, too. Let's just have it taken over by the Port Authority so it can be part of both states. Later

Edgy MD Nov 19 2014 08:58 AM Re: CPF War of the Supes, Round 1: Batman vs. Batwoman

seawolf17 Nov 19 2014 09:57 AM Re: CPF War of the Supes, Round 1: Batman vs. Batwoman

Who the hell is Batwoman? Now you're just making shit up.

Nymr83 Nov 19 2014 10:02 AM Re: CPF War of the Supes, Round 1: Batman vs. Batwoman

I always thought gotham was new york and metropolis chicago.

Edgy MD Nov 19 2014 10:19 AM Re: CPF War of the Supes, Round 1: Batman vs. Batwoman

There's a lot of different perspectives folks have on it. One theory says Metropolis is New York by day and Gotham is New York by night. Or Gotham is brick-and-mortar New York and Metropolis is glass-and-steel New York. But they've both been pretty much considered to be stand-ins for New York, and when the Reeve-era Superman films were set in Metropolis but shot in New York with clear New York landmark buildings everywhere, nobody said boo. But the problem is that the adventures of DC superheroes have often taken them to actual New York. So if New York exists in their universe, and you can't just drop Gotham in at the end of the Hudson River, where the heck is at? As a post-industrial Northeast city with a harbor, a couple of hundred miles down the coastline in New Jersey is the logical setting. No continuity is going to be upset if Tom's River is displaced, as there are no superheroes operating there. Bruce Springsteen is probably tickled to think of Freehold as the fictional location of Gotham.

metsmarathon Nov 19 2014 11:07 AM Re: CPF War of the Supes, Round 1: Batman vs. Batwoman

newark would've made a bit more sense than point pleasant or egg harbor, though, and especially relative to the delaware bay on jersey's backside. probably too close to new york city to really differentiate itself, as a separate metropolitan area, but still. maybe camden can be our gotham instead...

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 19 2014 12:31 PM Re: CPF War of the Supes, Round 1: Batman vs. Batwoman Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Nov 19 2014 07:00 PM

Edgy MD wrote: But the problem is that the adventures of DC superheroes have often taken them to actual New York. So if New York exists in their universe, and you can't just drop Gotham in at the end of the Hudson River, where the heck is at? As a post-industrial Northeast city with a harbor, a couple of hundred miles down the coastline in New Jersey is the logical setting. No continuity is going to be upset if Tom's River is displaced, as there are no superheroes operating there. Bruce Springsteen is probably tickled to think of Freehold as the fictional location of Gotham. Well they blew up the coast in Coast City last Night now they blew up GL's place too Down in New York they're getting ready For a fight-- yeah, I'm surprised it ain't New York, too! Now there's trouble flyin' in from penguin guns And the D.A., yeah, he can't decide Which way to run to dodge them question-mark cannons Flip a coin, but both sides are scarred heads, a rigged broke-down ride Yeah, Robin died baby that's a fact But maybe rewrite that past and-- hey!-- he comes back Put your yellow belt on fix your cowl up pretty and Meet me tonight down in Gotham City

Edgy MD Nov 19 2014 12:55 PM Re: CPF War of the Supes, Round 1: Batman vs. Batwoman

Well I beat up on Bane and put the Penguin away But I got jets and tech ready for when the Joker comes to play And the Scarecrow just knocked off the Central Trust Hope there's room down at Arckham for the both of us Mom and Dad died baby that's a fact And like Johnny Cash I became the Man in Black Put the bat signal on and let your cape fly pretty Meet me tonight down in Gotham City

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 19 2014 01:14 PM Re: CPF War of the Supes, Round 1: Batman vs. Batwoman

Hey little girl is your daddy home Did he go and leave you all alone I got a bad desire Oh-oh-oh... I'm your match perfected, no child's toy/no longer needed in your employ-- what am I?

Vic Sage Nov 19 2014 03:10 PM Re: CPF War of the Supes, Round 1: Batman vs. Batwoman

I was eight years old and my hands were cold, as I walked with my mom and dad, Down crime's alleyway, we strolled that day, hand in hand Our butler had to go far, so he could fetch the car and bring it back around, But before he got back, there was a thunder crack, and death had come to Gotham town, This was my own town, This was Gotham town This was my hometown Though i survived, my parents lost their lives at the wrong end of a gun, The killer stared at me, and started to flee, There was nothing I could have done. I cried with all my might, going home that night, wishing i could run But Alfred just said "Bruce, it's time for bed" and the day was done in Gotham town, My own town, Gotham town, My hometown. I wander down empty hallways now, and empty rooms, It seems like there is no one near who lives here in this tomb. Tom and Martha Wayne had widespread fame, and no one wished them ill But then Joe Chill, with no reason to kill, put them in the ground of Gotham town, It was their own town, It was Gotham town, Their hometown. I couldn't sleep that night, and since the moon was bright I wandered the grounds outside, I fell into a hole and discovered my soul, as i fell out of the light, I had come alive, knew that i would thrive, in the darkness of the knight And so I don the cowl, and begin to prowl, and i fight the fight in Gotham town, This is my hometown

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 19 2014 05:37 PM Re: CPF War of the Supes, Round 1: Batman vs. Batwoman

I had a friend was a big-time lawyer back in his day He could take a slip-up by you Your own words, make you pay, boy Saw him the other night at 22 2nd Looked half-dead, from what, I wasn't knowin' Took him down outside, tried to talk him down, but couldn't make a dent And all through, he kept flippin' some cooooooin

seawolf17 Nov 19 2014 06:06 PM Re: CPF War of the Supes, Round 1: Batman vs. Batwoman

I'm a cowboy, on a steel horse I ride I'm wanted dead or alive Wanted dead or alive (I have no idea what we're talking about.)

Benjamin Grimm Nov 20 2014 07:39 AM Re: CPF War of the Supes, Round 1: Batman vs. Batwoman

I've heard that Gotham is New York below 14th Street, and Metropolis is New York above 14th Street. I've never heard of Batwoman. Batman gets my vote.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 20 2014 10:26 AM Re: CPF War of the Supes, Round 1: Batman vs. Batwoman

Batwoman's been around even before the mid '60s TV show. [fimg=440:13b5bmyp]http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081128163113/marvel_dc/images/thumb/5/56/Batman_122.jpg/300px-Batman_122.jpg[/fimg:13b5bmyp][fimg=424:13b5bmyp]http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/Comics/Batman133.jpg[/fimg:13b5bmyp]

Edgy MD Nov 29 2014 07:41 AM Re: CPF War of the Supes, Round 1: Batman vs. Batwoman

There's only one Batman. Well, two, counting Azrael. And Dick was a third Batman for a while. And then there are those historical Batmen that occasionally arise in the fullness of time. And of course, the alternative timeline Batmen. So there's in fact, not one, but INFINITE Batmen. But... there's only one... in this tournament. And he bat-cruises to a 19-1 victory.