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d'Kong76
Nov 19 2014 10:10 AM

I'm amazed that so many know who and what this is
about to become if there are a hundred of these supes.
Is that what they really call them or is that an Edgyism?

I had zero exposure to all this stuff growing up. None of
my friends were into it and really I don't remember anyone
in school being into it either. My only memory of comic books
is Richie Rich, that chubby girl with dark hair, Caspar ... maybe
The Munsters and Addams Family but I'm not even sure about
them.

Please vote, and when you have time tell us your story.

Ceetar
Nov 19 2014 10:19 AM
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I don't remember the precipitous , but around 6-8 or so probably. I do remember 4th grade everyone being into them so much that we actually regularly traded comics at school/lunch/etc.

Spawn came out in 1992 when I was 10 and that was probably the height of my involvement.

My uncle gave me his old comics, Spiderman's wedding among them.

I sorta drifted away over the next couple of years. and my interest was very tunneled, Spiderman, Spawn, a couple of others. I know a bunch about some and little about many others.

By 7th grade or so I switched over to collectable card games/Magic and pretty much let comics lapse.

Edgy MD
Nov 19 2014 10:30 AM
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I had a friend who had a bunchwad of Archies and Richie Riches, so I read through them until I aged out.

I never read the superhero books as a kid. Maybe they weren't carried at my local candy store. But I was surrounded by guys in college who grew up on them and were unable to let go. I thought they were nuts. But one of them told me about Ghost-Rider, and I thought that was so awesome and seventies. I like road stories, and this guy seemed like the ultimate Freaky American Seventies Loner Anti-Hero of the Open Road (FASLAHORs). So I started going with them on their pilgrimages to comics stores, and digging for early GR issues. Loved 'em. Hate the films they made, though.

Around the same time, the geeks got me to start following the contemporary X-Men stories. I liked the international team stuff, but there were too many books and I was broke and didn't need another entertainment thing with no end-game to waste my time and moneys on.

sharpie
Nov 19 2014 10:34 AM
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I was probably about 7 or 8. Spent all of my meager allowance buying comic books. Got out of them was I was probably 12 or so and have never returned.

My son, the former poster Lenny Harris, is into comic books and the movies that they spawn. My assistant at work is a proud female comic book enthusiast. I, however, find the movies kind of anti-dramatic. The fights go on for too long and you know who is going to win in the end.

RealityChuck
Nov 19 2014 10:36 AM
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I don't recall, but the earliest comic I remember reading was Action Comics 309, which ended up being very controversial about a month later (the "Mystery Masquerader's" identity was considered by some to be bad taste, though DC had no reason not to use it at the time). I would have been 11.


But I know I read comics before that -- I just can't figure out the exact date.

ETA: Ah! I remember the first appearance of Supergirl, which means I was seven. So I answered wrong.

Edgy MD
Nov 19 2014 11:12 AM
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I like that they rolled in a water tank, so his mermaid-sometimes girlfriend could attend the ceremony. That was really thoughtful.

Don't like: Perry White's stogie that close to Lois' hair.

soupcan
Nov 19 2014 11:31 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 19 2014 11:40 AM

First comic I ever bought:



January 1975, I was 9.


OE: whoops sorry - I was 10.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 19 2014 11:34 AM
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Never read any comics beyond MAD magazine, and never knew anyone who did till I met you geeks, even though there were shelves loaded them at the house, they arrived by mail every day, etc etc etc. There was one guy in college who tried getting me into Punisher, but it didn't take. Sooner would waste my limited $$ on a million other things.

I think the Big Superhero movies with few exceptions are pretty stupid, especially the entire Batman franchise.

seawolf17
Nov 19 2014 11:36 AM
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Honestly never understood the lure of comics. I've always been a baseball card guy.

metsmarathon
Nov 19 2014 11:43 AM
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i never did get into comics, though i did like all the superhero cartoons.

thundercats and he-man aren't in the bracket, are they? gummi bears would wreck some serious shit.

Edgy MD
Nov 19 2014 11:44 AM
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We need Ben Grimm posting again.

Mets – Willets Point
Nov 19 2014 11:52 AM
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There's not an option for never (or perhaps not yet) but I was never drawn to comics. I did start reading the occassional graphic novel starting about 6-7 years ago, but none of the superhero variety. There's a new book on Wonder Woman by Jill Lepore that makes me want to check out the Wonder Women comics, but I have no idea where to start.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 19 2014 12:10 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 19 2014 12:34 PM

You've got some good liberrys up theres; you'd be surprised how often you'd be able to find good comics/GN collections in 'em. (That's pretty much all the comic reading I do these days.)

Anyway... I was initiated at 3 or 4, via TV ("Super-Friends," "Wonder Woman," the Bill Bixby Hulk, Adam West "Batman") and movies ("Superman 2" on Betamax) at first. When I went on shopping trips with my grandmother, she used to let me look around the comic store near our bus stop. Eventually she bought some DC kiddie-pocket-books, then cheap reprints of '70s Spider-Man and the old Denny O'Neil/Neal Adams Batmans, which I took-- and followed-- everywhere; I remember vividly my just missing being run over by an M104 bus when I chased a windblown issue into the street during a storm, around age 5.

I blew a LOT of allowance through, say, 14 or so. (Then I just borrowed my younger cousins' books from time to time.)

Zvon
Nov 19 2014 12:27 PM
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I knew of Superman from the George Reeves afternoon reruns. I'm sure I got a few Superman comics early on. But the 1966 Batman was a whole nuther story and I'd be running to the candy store to grab Batman comics. I'll say I was 8.

Never big into comics though (back then). My limited loot primarily went to trading cards of any sort . I got big time into comics in the mid-80s, 2 or 3 years before Millers Dark Knight, which would be my comic peak, right around then, 1986.

Vic Sage
Nov 19 2014 01:05 PM
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i can't remember a time when i wasn't involved with that particular art form.

First, it was the strips in the Sunday paper my dad used to show me. I loved the colors, and the pictures were exciting (Flash gordon, Terry & the pirates, Prince Valiant). But mostly i loved PEANUTS, and had collections of strips in paperback form.

After my brothers went away to college in the late 60s (they're much older than me), they left me their comic collections, which consisted of a stack of silver-age marvel superhero books. Fantastic Four made the biggest impact on me; i remember vividly reading the Kirby/Lee run of issues from #44 on, introducing the Inhumans, the Silver Surfer, Galactus, Black Panther, Him (Warlock), and so many others. The stack also included the original X-Men, Daredevil, Spider-Man, Thor, Iron Man, Hulk, Ant-Man/Giant-Man, Avengers, Namor... all the biggies. But the ones i loved most were drawn by that Kirby fellow.

I would then trade some of those books with my buddy, Gordon, who had an equivalent stack of DCs of that period. I was already familiar with Batman and Superman from their TV series, but i discovered Green Lantern, Green Arrow, The Flash, Hawkman and the golden age characters from the Justice Society. In addition to the Batman and Superman tv shows, there were saturday morning cartoons, and Marvel superhero cartoons, with their ridiculously limited animation, were my favorites. (I especially loved the theme songs). I was a true believer, and a card-carrying member of FOOM.

My grandparents had owned a store at one time, and when it went out of business, i got one of those "spinners", the rotating racks where comics are displayed. So i started putting my books in bags and storing them in organized groups on the spinner. I started writing down the data (titles, issue #, year and characters) from each comic on an index card, so i could know what i had in my collection and what i still needed ("got it, got it, got it, need it..."). So that was the beginning of being not just a reader, or a fan, but a "collector", which is a whole other category of insanity.

I loved those silver age books, particularly Marvels, but they were for my brothers. When I started buying books off the rack in the early 70s, a whole new bunch of characters were being introduced. The Bronze Age had begun, and it belonged to me. Luke Cage, Omega the Unknown, Conan, Morbius, Iron Fist, Man-Thing, Ghost-Rider, Warlock, Starlin's Captain Marvel. Then there was suddenly a whole new comics company... Atlas. I adopted them immediately and bought everyone that came out (the company went bust in its first year).

Gordon and I shared a subscription to the Comics Buyers Guide, a newspaper-style monthly publication with articles and ads for back issues and cool illustrations. We started creating our own comics character ("Gemini... he wields the power of an exploding star!"). We started to go to comics conventions in NYC, at the Commodore Hotel. We rented a table at Phil Seuling's Sunday Comics Marketplace when i was 14, and i sold some of the silver age books so i could buy others, expanding the collection. The only birthday gifts i would gratefully accept were either comics or cash (for comics). There was a teacher i had in middle school who actually wrote some comics, so i learned that my little 4-color fetish items were actually authored by actual people, not from gods on high. And i started to focus on particular artists and writers. Lee/Kirby of course, but not just. When Lee went to DC, i followed him. I didn't like most of the stuff at DC then, but i loved Kirby's 4TH WORLD titles, despite the fact that he wasn't much of a writer. But i discovered the GREEN LANTERN / GREEN ARROW "socially relevant" Neil Adams books then, and started following Mr. Adams around as well, particularly his Batman work. I also loved Jim Starlin's cosmic ouevre, from Warlock and Captain Marvel to Thanos and and the Magus.

When i was in HS, i started a comics club, and we had our own mini-con in school. Buying, selling and trading, i was a real wheeler-dealer. Howard the Duck just came out, and i knew it was going to be HUGE, so i bought a whole stack of them. The price boomed for a while, and i sold them, before the bottom of the market fell out. My dad had very little patience for the comic book thing (he called them "joke books") and preferred i was outside playing ball. But when he saw me making money at it, he started to help out. He'd drive me and my boxes to the cons, and he'd take me to comics stores (which had just started springing up then) and bought me a Spidey #1 in really shitty condition for $25 (this upset him greatly but delighted me).

The new X-Men had come out, and i didn't like it. Punisher, too. Who were these guys? You could feel things sort of turning. By the time i graduated HS, i felt like i was done with all of it. I needed cash for college, so i liquidated most of the collection and donated the rest to my HS school club. I was out. I was off on a new life.

In college, i was into movies, mostly. But in the early 80s, i had a roommate who had a connection at DC and he got stacks of free books all the time, so i started reading them. Since Marvel had surpassed DC by that time, DC turned the keys of the asylum over to the creators (figuring they had nothing to lose, i suppose) and they started putting out more interesting books. After college, i kept living with my college buddy (just to stay near his DC connection, i think), and that's when things in comics really got interesting. DC started putting out its "mature" line, with Alan Moore's Swampthing, Gaiman' Sandman, Morrison's Doom Patrol and Animal Man, Milligan's Shade the Changing Man... this stuff wasn't even comics anymore. It was literature. It was dadaist pop art. These were "graphic novels". Miller's DARK KNIGHT, Moore's WATCHMEN and V, The Killing Joke... I was hooked again.

By the time i was in law school, i had a serious jones for the old collection i once had. Books like FF 1, Spidey 1, X-Men 1, DD 1, Avengers 4, Tales to Astonish #27, Tales of Suspense #39, Journey into Mystery #83.... those books were now gone and out of my grasp for good. It would cost hundreds (no, thousands) to reconstitute that collection. So instead i focused on building back up my Bronze Age collection, and used my school loans for comics instead of law books (using the books in the library instead).

I was then dating Mrs. Sage, and she put up with this nonsense. In fact, our 2nd date was an "accidental" meeting at my alma mater, at an SF/comics convention that i had helped create there (and is still running, i think). She pretended to be interested in all that nerdy stuff. I was in love. For my 30th birthday, she gave me FF #48 (and talked my brother into getting me #49 and #50), which were the most valued books of my childhood... the silver surfer's origin trilogy. I'm not ashamed to say I wept. Before i proposed to her, i gave her a "Diner"-style test... i opened 4 comics out on the table and she had to correctly identify the one drawn by Jack Kirby. If not, no marriage. She nailed it of course. By this time, i had accumulated around 4000 books, and was buying new books every week. The boxes were stacked up in the living room. So it was a real leap of faith on her part to put up with it.

We started having kids, and i read comics to them, and put action figures in their cribs like they were stuffed animals. They now both like superhero movies, and my son will read a related book here or there. He has gone with me to NY ComicCon for the last few years, and we watch many of the cartoons together too.

As for me, I eventually got over buying new books. They were not as good, and they were overpriced. I just didn't care anymore. But i was still buying the odd silver or bronze book, just to keep plugging the holes in my collection. a few years ago, my old college buddy was forced to sell his own comics collection. It was mostly DC, including silver and bronze age titles, so they were not overly redundant of my stash. I bought them; another 2000+ books, bringing my total collection at this point to something over 7000 issues (plus trades, and related books and graphic novels).

That final purchase seems to have quenched my collecting mania, for the most part. I'll still pick up a back issue at a Con, but its not obsessive, and i'm not spending my kids' college money on it... anymore. I think, perhaps, i finally accepted that my old collection was never coming back, and taking my buddy's old collection was as close as i was ever going to come.

As to the appeal, i cannot explain it to someone who doesn't already understand it. I can talk about it being our native art form, and its place as the modern mythology of 20th century America, and i can talk about its roots in religious art and in Gilgamesh, and while all that's true, its all just an after-the-fact rationalization of what is essentially my emotional relationship to my childhood.

Your mileage may vary.

Frayed Knot
Nov 19 2014 01:11 PM
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The next comic book I read will be my first.

cooby
Nov 19 2014 01:18 PM
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I'm not really a fan of them but my husband was and is; so I get plenty of exposure to them. I've always been more of a Hanna Barbera kinda girl.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 19 2014 01:57 PM
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Vic Sage wrote:
Your mileage may vary.


It does. But only a very little. (And then, really, only temporally.)

Like Alan Moore, a great read, as always.

Edgy MD
Nov 19 2014 02:10 PM
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Among the other things the the Geeks introduced me to was a handful of graphic novels. Loved Batman: Year One. Loved Dark Knight Returns a little less, and began disliking it more when I realized its success gave Frank Miller license to go absolutely nuts. I didn't even like having Sin City in my house.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 19 2014 05:11 PM
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I remember loving TDKR as a kid, and just kinda liking Year One... but I'm pretty sure that was mostly a function of my tween-y age and the '90s-super"real"-ultraviolence cultural context.

Year One's just fantastic in every respect... and that Mazzuccheli art, man. [/kisses fingers]

Ashie62
Nov 19 2014 05:57 PM
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Never, never got into superheroes either. Sorry Noah.

Madoff's Mets
Nov 19 2014 06:34 PM
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I was never into comics. MAD magazine would be the closest thing.

Fman99
Nov 19 2014 08:16 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Never read any comics beyond MAD magazine, and never knew anyone who did till I met you geeks, even though there were shelves loaded them at the house, they arrived by mail every day, etc etc etc. There was one guy in college who tried getting me into Punisher, but it didn't take. Sooner would waste my limited $$ on a million other things.

I think the Big Superhero movies with few exceptions are pretty stupid, especially the entire Batman franchise.


This is me also. I never went through this phase. I went right from skateboards and Nintendo games to pot and poon-tang.

I did happen to go to school with the son of a famous comic artist named Herb Trimpe, who has some nice comic street cred having drawn the Hulk for several years and is credited with being the first artist to draw Wolverine. His son, whom I graduated with, is also a gifted artist and was so, even in grade school.

But me? No, I could give a fuck. I thought 's-h' in the title meant "shit head comics."

Nymr83
Nov 19 2014 09:02 PM
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used my school loans for comics instead of law books


wish i'd had that idea. i cant think of a bigger waste of money than the books i never opened in school

Mets – Willets Point
Nov 19 2014 09:13 PM
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I love Vic's post. Hearing someone passionate about something is always fascinating, even if I know nothing about it.

What the heck does Silver Age / Bronze Age, et al mean?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 19 2014 09:55 PM
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Mets – Willets Point wrote:
I love Vic's post. Hearing someone passionate about something is always fascinating, even if I know nothing about it.

Yup. Plus it's written so darn well.

Vic Sage
Nov 19 2014 10:37 PM
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Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Nov 19 2014 10:47 PM

What the heck does Silver Age / Bronze Age, et al mean?


The history of comics is generally discussed in terms of different eras of superheroes.

The "Golden Age" began in 1938 with Action Comics #1 (the first appearance of Superman) which is credited with launching the superhero genre. The popularity boomed during the WWII era into the late 40s. Then, superheroes waned, and romance, western and horror comics predominated, particularly the EC horror comics. They were driven out of business, however, by Senator Kefauver's committee investigating the link between juvenile delinquency in 1954 (that was before the blamed song lyrics and video games, and after they burned books and censored movies).

The second age of superheroes is called "The Silver Age" and is generally said to begin in 1956 with Flash #105, when DC editor Julie Schwartz started bringing back and updating the golden age heroes. Barry Allen's Flash was first, followed soon by Green Lantern. Superman, Batman and Wonderwoman were still ongoing at that point, and they formed the Justice League, along with the Martian Manhunter. The Silver Age got its biggest boost when Marvel got into the picture. They were the remant of the Atlas/Timely comic publishers that had launched Captain America in the 40s (by Joe Simon and Jack Kirby), but had pretty much degenerated into SF and horror anthology titles by the late 50s (Beware of Fin Fang Foom!). The publisher had his nephew, Larry Lieber, running the office and editing their line at that time. After seeing the success of the new Justice League, he told his nephew to put out a superteam book for them. So Stanley changed his name to Stan Lee and partnered with his old colleague from the Captain America days, Jack Kirby, and they created The Fantastic Four. And the Marvel Age was born.

The silver age is usually considered to run through 1968 or 69, when superheroes had their last burst of activity before giving way to sword & sorcery and horror titles. Since the comics code had just been revised at that time (loosening the strictures that had been in place since the 50s), barbarians, living vampires, demon ghost riders, werewolves by night and swampthings all made a comeback. And superheroes took a new, darker turn.

If the Golden Age was marked by its innocent vitality, and the Silver Age by its formalizing and mastering all the tropes of the genre, then the Bronze Age took the superhero mythos into a darker, anti-heroic form. These weren't your daddy's joke books anymore. Green Arrow's sidekick became a junkie as Arrow and Green Lantern became "socially relevant"; Spidey took on drugs too, and Tony Stark became an alcoholic. There was a growth, too, of minority heroes, like Luke Cage and Shang Chi, and the new X-Men in 1975 was a rainbow coalition of mutants that launched the brutal anti-hero, Wolverine. (this is such a key moment, that some have written that Giant Size X-Men #1 was really the beginning of the Bronze Age, leaving the early 70s as an interregnum between the heroic ages). The Punisher was a murderous assassin who got the superhero treatment, too, as was DD's ninja girlfriend, Elektra. Even Dracula returned as an anti-hero of sorts, not to mention demons like Ghost Rider the Son of Satan, and Etrigan the Demon. Meanwhile, it was in this period that Kirby had left Marvel and had gone to DC to create his "4th world" books, and if anything was a marker for the end of one era and the beginning of another, it was the King going over to the enemy.

The end of the Bronze age is a matter of dispute, with some arbitrarily defining it as the end of the decade of the 70s, but it is generally conceded to be around the mid 80s, when DC relaunched its universe with CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS and Marvel with SECRET WARS, and out of this came the Modern Age.

The Modern Age brings the anti-heroic and dystopian themes to their zenith with the masterworks of Alan Moore (the Watchmen) and Frank Miller (Dark Knight), but there was nowhere to go but down from there... and that's where they went. The hacks that followed couldn't match their artistry, indulging only in the violence and immorality. While this period begins the Modern Age, it is also called by some the beginning of the "Dark Age" for its moral ambiguity, as well as the era's total commercialization, feeding into the speculator frenzy of the time, and the ultimate implosion of the industry (with MArvel's near bankruptcy in 1991). Many of the independent companies that had evolved in the late 70s-early 80s went bust, too. And new companies, like Image, were born not out of a new aesthetic but out of the desire of the most popular Marvel artists of the period to go off and create their own characters to cash in on the merchandising frenzy. Comics were a commodity, and not a very good one.

There are some that think the "Dark Age" eventually transformed into a new age... a "renaissance age" of sorts, beginning with a rebirth and new appreciation of the classic hero myth. You can see this in the late 1990s, in the work of Kurt Busiek's ASTRO CITY, and in MARVELS and KINGDOM COME, which are more self-aware than their earlier incarnations but consciously reject the baroque perversity of the prior era.

Does that answer your question?

Zvon
Nov 19 2014 10:42 PM
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Mets – Willets Point wrote:
I love Vic's post. Hearing someone passionate about something is always fascinating, even if I know nothing about it.

What the heck does Silver Age / Bronze Age, et al mean?


Ditto and ditto.

Zvon
Nov 19 2014 10:44 PM
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Never mind one of those dittos. I was a page behind.

Zvon
Nov 19 2014 10:49 PM
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Two excellent and informative posts. Thanks for sharing that Vic :)

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 20 2014 07:26 AM
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We need Ben Grimm posting again.


And here I am! I've been on hiatus since the baseball season ended, but I got an e-mail from Edgy yesterday inviting me to participate in the superhero brouhaha.

I had read a few DC comics here and there (there used to be these plastic-wrapped bundles of three or more comics) but they never really caught my fancy. Then one day, in December of 1973, when I was ten years old, I was with my mom at a card store in Hauppauge and, completely on a whim, decided to buy two Marvel comics, featuring characters I had never heard of. They were Thor 220 and Fantastic Four 144. I read the Thor comic first, and had no idea what was going on. But the FF comic totally captured my imagination. I couldn't wait to get more Marvel comics. In the weeks to come I discovered a bunch of other characters that I had never heard of: Hulk, Iron Man, Captain America, Doctor Strange, Daredevil, Black Panther, and more. (I also discovered that Spider-Man, the one Marvel character that I was familiar with, was also a Marvel hero. I had thought that the was just a TV superhero.)

I was so hooked on these comics that my enthusiasm caught on with almost all of the boys in my fifth-grade class. We were all excited when new comics came out each week. For about two years, it was all about comics for me. (As a result, I paid very little attention to the Mets in 1974 and 1975.)

By 1973, I think the Silver Age was pretty much over, and the Bronze Age had yet to begin. It wasn't a high point in comics history, but there was still a sense of fun about Marvel comics. Stan Lee had stopped writing (except for his monthly "soapbox") by then, but his personality was still stamped all over the company.

I continued reading comics through the 1980s, when a lot of good stuff was published, but my interest slipped a lot during the 90s, and I eventually stopped altogether. In 2012, I had a dream about Marvel characters, and the next day there was an e-mail from Marvel inviting me to become a subscriber. I figured this was some kind of a sign, so I subscribed to about a half dozen titles. (It costs about half the cover price, by the way.) Some of the stories are fun to read, but I have to say, that there's a good-sized pile of unread comics on my kitchen island. My son reads them shortly after they arrive, but I have to wait until a comics-reading mood comes over me, and a lot of weeks go by without me reading any of them.

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 20 2014 07:28 AM
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First comic I ever bought:



January 1975, I was 9.


OE: whoops sorry - I was 10.


Wow... your first comic was a dreaded deadline doom reprint issue. It was one that I remember being deeply disappointed in, because it was so obviously (even to an 11-year-old) slapped together. I suppose, however, that since it was your first comic, you picked it up with no expectations at all, so couldn't have been disappointed as I was.

cooby
Nov 20 2014 07:29 AM
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Glad to see you :)

RealityChuck
Nov 20 2014 10:51 AM
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I grew up on DC comics. As far as anyone in my town was concerned, Marvel didn't exist. Literally. You could stump people at trivia by asking "Peter Parker is the secret identity of what superhero?" And this was in 1970.

I was considered the Marvel Comics expert of my class. This was because a friend had moved next door to me and had a lot of them (including nearly all of the first few years of Spider-Man). So I was familiar with the cast of characters.

But I never cared for them that much. I finally realized why when I read something in the letters column where the writer was praising Spider-Man because the last several issues all had the same plot: A villain shows up, defeats Spider-Man, Peter Parker gets dumped on, and then the villain shows up and Spider-Man wins. I never much cared for fight scenes, and the soap opera stuff grew very tedious. I also have an aversion to repetition.

Later, I realized a bigger truth that had turned me off: DC heroes were smart. Marvel heroes weren't (and their villains were ultimately very stupid). I don't mean stipulated smartness: yes, Peter Parker was a genius, but he didn't need to be particularly smart: the villains came to him and it was just a matter of tricking them (which never was particularly hard).

I realized this with one issue where Spider-Man fought the Beetle. The latter had a super powered armored suit and was attacking small businesses by pulling down their walls and taking little or nothing. Spider-Man realized that the Beetle was looking for the small business that shared a wall with a bank and its vault, in order to break in.

The stupidity of this is breathtaking. Even before Google, it shouldn't be hard to figure out which wall is shared with the bank, either by casing the neighborhood or finding a city map. And the Beetle was planning to use his strength to break in the back of the vault. Why not just waltz in and break in the front? Both are equally reinforced. Or was he being stealthy, thinking that no one would ever figure out who might have been able to tear the steel of the vault. It's not like they could have guessed it could be someone with a super powered armored suit.

DC tended to have more cleverness. Villains rarely challenged the heroes directly. People sneer at the Riddler for giving out clues, but in the comics, the clues were always ambiguous and often decoyed Batman away from the actual crime (the TV show made everything seem worse, since the riddles were always simple to solve,and always took Batman to the Riddler). Few criminals took him on directly, and none tried to match his punching -- even if they had kryptonite. The writers were forced to be more clever. Even the "save my secret identity" and red kryptonite stories -- the latter were clearly contrived ("I have no idea for a good plot, so let's have red kryptonite turn Superman into a gorilla") -- forced Superman to be clever in order to resolve things.

Batman was billed as "the World's Greatest Detective," and that was not hyperbole. He used his mind to catch criminals and nearly all fights were perfunctory.

But Marvel certainly was onto something with the "superheroes with problems," even if it didn't particularly appeal to me. But, if you notice, all Marvel movies are basically the same. DCs aren't much better, though The Dark Knight stands above everything (especially since its message is so different from any other superhero movies*).

I do think the Dark Knight characterization has run its course. When you give Captain Marvel (Shazam, but I prefer his real name) a dark backstory, you have no idea what the character is all about.

As an aside, I was once Julie Schwartz. It was at a Lunacon; the hotel restaurant was mobbed, with an hour wait. Julie came walking out. (I had met him the night before: someone had told him as a joke that I was the son of SF fan and author Milton Rothman.) Julie had a reservation, but had been invited elsewhere, so he overheard us talking about what to do and asked if we wanted his. We thanked him, and I was Julie Schwartz as far as the restaurant knew.


*The Dark Knight Rising sucks, though.

Edgy MD
Nov 20 2014 10:58 AM
Re: Around what age did you get into s-h comics?

I remember being in bed sick as a kid for a few days and getting a Marvel book, and their propensity (and really, hasn't it become everybody's propensity?) to depict radioactivity in neon green (particularly with the Hulk, of course) triggered my nausea. The experience turned me off of Marvel comics for... well, my entire childhood I guess. Too much radioactivity. Hard to stomach.

Mets – Willets Point
Nov 20 2014 11:07 AM
Re: Around what age did you get into s-h comics?

Thanks, Vic!

Rockin' Doc
Nov 22 2014 12:52 PM
Re: Around what age did you get into s-h comics?

I think my first comic was at 6 or 7 years of age. I don't remember for sure, but I imagine that it was either of Captain America or Superman. Never a big purchaser of comics, though I read them whenever they were around. I was much more into baseball cards and that is where the majority of my spare change ended up being spent during my youth.