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CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blue Beetle vs. Starman

Blue Beetle

5 votes

Starman

8 votes

Edgy MD Dec 03 2014 09:43 PM

Here's a couple of guys who've been through a bunch of different publishers and not a few incarnations. What are they fighting for? RESPECT! Coming to you right out of the Non-Powered Heroes bracket of the DC/Indie Conference. [fimg=280]http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/144096/3742197-2419927932-blue_.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=280]http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100912235146/hawkman/images/6/63/Starman_Jack_Knight.jpg[/fimg] Name: Blue Beetle Name: Starman AKA: Dan Garret, Dan Garrett and Ted Kord and Jaime Reyes AKA: Jack Knight Creator(s): Charles Nicholas Wojtkoski; revamped by Steve Ditko; and then again by Keith Giffen, John Rogers, and Cully Hamner Creator(s): James Robinson, Tony Harris Place of Birth: New York, NY (Garret); Hub City, IL; El Paso, TX (Reyes); Place of Birth: Opal City How He Came to Be: Basically, you come into posession of the Blue Beetle Scarab, and you gain the powers. How She Came to Be: Jack assumed the mantle (and cosmic staff) of his father, Ted Knight. Base of Operations: Lots of places --- their home towns, and wherever the Justice League is basing them. Base of Operations: Opal City Teams: Justice League, L.A.W., Kord Enterprises, Teen Titans Teams: Justice Society of America Signature Lines: "These are my rules. No-one hurts innocent people. Got that? Good! " Signature Lines: "I know I'm a geek. More in love with yesterday than tomorrow. Cool? No way." Arch-Enemy: Carapax Arch-Enemy: Nash Sidekick(s): Sparky Sidekick(s): None Paramour(s): Joan Mason, Jane Darrell (Garret); Tracey (Kord); Traci 13 (Reyes) Paramour Sadie Falk Has Been Played By: Jim Boyd Once Played By: Nobiddy Could Have Been Played By: Chris Penn (Garret), Ted McGinley (Kord), Shalim Ortiz (Reyes) Could Have Been Played By: Matt Dillon Song I Think Of: "Yer Blues" Song I Think Of: "Starman" Powers: Initially had no superhuman powers, just the willingness to dish out vigilante justice between shifts as a police officer. Eventually gained a bullet-proof vest and vitamins that would temporarily give him super strenth. Inexplicably developed a few more parts of the Superman package (flight, X-ray vision), before falling out of vogue. Subsequently re-envisioned as gaining super strength, vision, flight, and energy blasts through a magical scarab. Kord gets that package plus he's really smart and a heckuvan athlete. Jaime gets the same batch o' powers, I think, minus Kord's natural skills. Powers: Good in jiu-jitsu. Big deal, right? But he also wields the Cosmic Staff. This absorbs stellar energy and gives jack the power of fast flight, force fields, levitation, and powerful energy blasts. The force fields help protect Jack also when he's flying in the higher reaches of the atmosphere. He has sort of a mental thing going with it. It obeys him, even from a distance. Weaknesses: Jaime's a kid, just figuring it all out. And the scarab is kinda dangerous, invented by bad guys and assuming a symbiotic relationship with the host. That's worrysome. Weaknesses: Without his stick, he's just a guy. And he never really wanted to be his dad's successor. Just ask him. The staff, like a cell phone, needs to be recharged overnight, particularly a starry night.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 04 2014 04:35 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blue Beetle vs. Starman

I'm going to have to abstain on this one. Slight familiarity with Blue Beetle, and I know nothing at all about Starman.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 04 2014 04:38 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blue Beetle vs. Starman

Wait, ignorant people are abstaining?

Edgy MD Dec 04 2014 06:48 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blue Beetle vs. Starman

Seriously, I type up a rap sheet. That should be enough.

MFS62 Dec 04 2014 06:51 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blue Beetle vs. Starman

Without his stick, he's just a guy. And without his stick, Jose Jalapeno on a Stick is just salsa. But anybody who admits he's a geek gets my vote. Later

Ceetar Dec 04 2014 08:17 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blue Beetle vs. Starman

Edgy MD wrote: Seriously, I type up a rap sheet. That should be enough. I won't let ignorance stop me! I went Starman because I thought "Father's Magic Stick" was a cooler way to get power (and a great name for a porn?) than picking up some trinket.

Fman99 Dec 04 2014 10:25 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blue Beetle vs. Starman

Picked Starman because he banged Karen Allen. And I don't care if it's not the same Starman.

Nymr83 Dec 04 2014 11:07 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blue Beetle vs. Starman

Fmans sex tournament is proceeding nicely

cooby Dec 04 2014 11:45 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blue Beetle vs. Starman

I voted for starman because I like that picture better

metsmarathon Dec 04 2014 12:26 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blue Beetle vs. Starman

starman sounds like weaksauce, but blue beetle sounds like he ultimately just can't be trusted. what if the scarab thingie goes kerflooey when earth needs him most? at least starman can hop a train and get his ass to the nearest cloudless night, right? either way, this is a really lame matchup. are you sure there was only room for one ninja turtle?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 04 2014 12:37 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blue Beetle vs. Starman

Ted Kord was a funny, likable character (especially in Keith Giffen's Justice League International, way back when). Starman's always left me cold. Let it be... the blue guy.

Edgy MD Dec 04 2014 01:09 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blue Beetle vs. Starman

metsmarathon wrote: either way, this is a really lame matchup. are you sure there was only room for one ninja turtle? I think Vic wants to do right by the Golden Age dudes. They were really big in their day! There was a Blue Beetle Day at the 1939 World's Fair!

Vic Sage Dec 04 2014 05:42 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blue Beetle vs. Starman

Both these guys were super-inventor type superheroes that started in the Golden Age, and were charter members of the Justice Society of America. But they became much more interesting in their modern age revivals. Ditko's reinvention of the Blue Beetle for Charlton comics in the `60s was sort of interesting. Of course, any character created by Ditko is going to have something going for it. But i really didn't get into the character that much until Keith Giffen's JLA/JLI run in the 80s, where he turned BB and Booster Gold into a buddy-team comedy act. That stuff was pretty funny. But I didn't care at all for the current version in "Young Justice", where he's an hispanic teen with an alien scarab parasite in his back. The other thing to note about BB is he was the basis for Alan Moore's thinly disguised "Night Owl" character from "The Watchmen". Starman? Like Blue Beetle, he became interesting when the modern incarnation came along. James Robinson recreated him in a long-running series in the 1990s, where Starman's son, Jack, takes over the cosmic rod from his dad, Ted Knight (no, not THAT ted knight!) Jack was a reluctant hero who only took up the mantel at his father's insistence, on the condition that his dad used his genius to help the world. Instead of wearing his dad' iconic red and yellow outfit with the fin on his head, Jack wore street clothes, a leather bomber jacket and steampunk goggles. His main villain, The Mist, was, like Jack, a 2nd generation character, out to avenge her dad's defeat by the original Starman. In what i can only assume was a knowing homage to the Authorian myths of Modred and Morgaine, the Mist drugs and rapes Jack so she can bear his child and raise him to hate and destroy Jack (that's some serious freudian/Jungian/mythic shit right there). Jack is later allied with another former villain, The Shade, since they want to protect their home, Opal City. So there's a little ambivalence, moral ambiguity and mythic subtext to Robinson's brilliant take on the character. Since Robinson concluded the series in the early 00s, he has not allowed DC to revive his version without his permission, which has only rarely granted in the last 10-15 years. Which i also think is kind of cool. Plus he fucked Karen Allen in that movie. So, the Jack Knight Starman gets my vote over the Ted Kord Blue Beetle.

Fman99 Dec 04 2014 06:23 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blue Beetle vs. Starman

Vic Sage wrote: Plus he fucked Karen Allen in that movie. Good, good. Embrace your inner Fman.

Edgy MD Dec 11 2014 01:39 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blue Beetle vs. Starman

Bowie edges the Beatles in a surprise upset.