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Rule 5 Draft 2014

Frayed Knot Dec 11 2014 10:18 AM

With the 14th overall pick, Mets snatch LHP Sean Gilmartin from Twins Orioles then take RHP Logan Verrett from Mets with 28th

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 11 2014 10:21 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

Sounds like this Gilmartin is a fine Irish fellow, according to Some Guy On The Internet: Sean Gilmartin - LHP from the Twins organization that was drafted in the 1st round in 2011. Came to the Twins in a trade with the Braves for Ryan Doumit. He has been almost exclusively a starter in his career but the Mets could use him as a swing-man/second lefty. Pitched in AAA all last year and held lefties to a line of .201/.219/.235, and he allowed just 5 extra base hits in 149 at bats. Here is a scouting report on Gilmartin from Tenth Inning Stretch, “Currently, he is ranked as the Braves’ 10th best prospect for 2014 by Baseball America that also ranks his changeup as the best in the Braves’ system and suggest that he has 4th starter upside.”

Frayed Knot Dec 11 2014 10:24 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

Sean Gilmartin - 24 y/o (25 in May), former 1st round pick (28th overall) of the Braves out of Fla St Univ in 2011. 6' 2" / 190; split 2014 between AA New Britain [7-3, 12 starts, 3.12, 1.28] and AAA Rochester [2-4 in 14 starts, 4.28, 1.32]

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 11 2014 10:26 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

This guy has better numbers than Andrew Miller in 2015. WRITE IT DOWN

Edgy MD Dec 11 2014 10:30 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

Didn't expect the Mets to be active. They're going to have to bump somebody from the roster.

Edgy MD Dec 11 2014 10:33 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

Lync.

Ceetar Dec 11 2014 10:34 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

Edgy MD wrote: Didn't expect the Mets to be active. They're going to have to bump somebody from the roster. I thought they were at 39? oh right, Mayberry.

Edgy MD Dec 11 2014 10:36 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

Some tweetin' jerk just wrote wrote: Mets losing Cam Maron, Greg Peavey, Juan Gamboa and Randy Fontanez in Minor League phase of Rule 5. OUCH!

Edgy MD Dec 11 2014 10:38 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

Baltimore took Logan Verrett. Jerkweeds.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 11 2014 10:56 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

How often do Rule 5 players stay with the team that selected them? I remember years ago, they almost always got sent back before the season ended. I sense that that's not so much the case anymore.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 11 2014 11:06 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

Edgy MD wrote: Baltimore took Logan Verrett. Jerkweeds. Considering what they're trying to do over there... that seems a bit strange. I smell a return trip/flip.

Edgy MD Dec 11 2014 11:20 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

Benjamin Grimm wrote: How often do Rule 5 players stay with the team that selected them? I remember years ago, they almost always got sent back before the season ended. I sense that that's not so much the case anymore. Probably more often than not, these days. Guys taken in the minor-league portion almost always stay, I would guess.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 11 2014 11:39 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

So Verrett was the only one the Mets lost in the major-league portion, and the others (Maron, Peavey, etc.) went in the minor league portion. The rules are the same, though, right? Peavey has to stay on the Twins big-league roster all year, or be offered back to the Mets?

Edgy MD Dec 11 2014 11:47 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

No, I don't think so. It isn't particularly public, but the higher minor league teams have 40-man rosters also. After the major league phase of the draft, there's a AAA draft, for players who've been around for X amount of time and haven't reached the AAA 40-man roster, and then there's the AA phase, for players who've been around for X amount of time and haven't reached the AA 40-man roster. Players taken in these rounds only have to remain as high as the AAA and AA 25-man rosters, respectively. That's my understanding, anyhow.

Centerfield Dec 11 2014 11:48 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

I didn't know there was a minor league Rule 5. How does that work? The players have to stay in the minors all year or they have to be returned? "Wow, Peavey's looking great. We'd love to call him up to the show, but that would mean losing him." On edit: Never mind. EXPLANATION RECEIVED!

Frayed Knot Dec 11 2014 12:13 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

From Sickel's website: -- Sean Gilmartin, LHP, Twins: Age 24, former Braves first round pick in 2011 out of Florida State who was traded to Minnesota last spring. Posted 3.71 ERA with 133/44 K/BB in 146 innings between Double-A and Triple-A this year. A classic finesse lefty, his heater is usually in the 80s and he survives by changing speeds and throwing strikes. He could stick as a fifth starter or relief option. -- Logan Verrett, RHP, Mets: Age 24, third round pick from Baylor in 2011, posted 4.33 ERA with 119/34 K/BB in 162 innings for Triple-A Las Vegas, with 188 hits allowed. Respected for his durability and control, Verrett has a complete fastball/slider/curve/arsenal but has never excited scouts with average/below velocity. Still, he survived the Las Vegas pinball machine with his career and confidence intact and could prove a useful long relief option for the Orioles.

Ceetar Dec 11 2014 12:15 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

I think the minor league guys are just gone.

Frayed Knot Dec 11 2014 12:19 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

Edgy MD wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: How often do Rule 5 players stay with the team that selected them? I remember years ago, they almost always got sent back before the season ended. I sense that that's not so much the case anymore. Probably more often than not, these days. My feeling is that maybe they stick with their new team more often than they used to but I still think that carrying a Rule-5 guy on the ML roster the entire year without his original team having the option to snatch him back is still the exception rather than the norm. Of course the teams that lost them don't always want them back (or circumstances change to where they have no place for him anymore) so other arrangements are sometimes made if choosing team wants to keep their new man but send him down during the year. And, yes, the rules are different for the minor league phase but I'm not up on all the specifics.

Vic Sage Dec 11 2014 01:23 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

i think Sean will take Gee's spot in the bullpen as a long-man/spot-starter, while also serving as a 2nd LHP. Gee will go for a prospect.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 11 2014 01:52 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

You'll never guess: Sean's into hunting, fishing, his truck, and country music.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 11 2014 01:54 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

Wow. He'll have a hard time fitting in with the other ballplayers.

MFS62 Dec 11 2014 02:02 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

Frayed Knot wrote: And, yes, the rules are different for the minor league phase but I'm not up on all the specifics. Here's what I know: (Or think I know - no specific link found) Players can be drafted from an organizations' double-A roster to another clubs' triple-A roster and also from an A-roster to an AA-roster. Players who are drafted in the minor league portion of the draft are not required to remain on the roster of the club which drafts them and are not subject to being returned to their original club. Players drafted to a AAA or AA club should be offered an opportunity to remain at that level during spring training, but it is not required. There is no provision for players being returned to their previous organizations. In return for the player,the original club receives the following cash considerations: Triple-A Draft $12,500 Double-A Draft $ 5,000. Any other rules? Later

Frayed Knot Dec 12 2014 06:47 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

FWIW, BA divides the chances of the 14 players taken in the Rule 5 draft sticking with their new teams into one of four categories: 50/50 - 4 players Low - 8 players, including Gilmartin Very Low - 1 player (Verrett) Extremely Low - 1 player So from a NYM point of view we may just end up with the same dance card we started with here, and that they still consider the odds of a drafted player becoming a full-time member of the new team to be the exception rather than the rule

Benjamin Grimm Dec 12 2014 06:52 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

Unless I'm forgetting someone, the only Rule 5 player I can think of who the Mets managed to keep was Pedro Beato, and the only one they permanently lost was Jesus Flores.

Edgy MD Dec 12 2014 07:34 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

I'm sure there are several more. I know Eric Valent was one. A rare Rule 5 draftee with MLB experience, he. Lenny DiNardo was another Rule 5ee that the team lost outright when he spent a full season on the Red Sox roster.

Mets Guy in Michigan Dec 12 2014 08:28 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

Is DiNardo the one the Red Sox claimed was on the disabled list for most of the season with blisters or something as a way to keep him and his Rule 5 status?

Edgy MD Dec 12 2014 08:33 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

I don't know how fabricated his injuries were or weren't, but yeah, he did spend most of the season on the DL. He threw 27 innings over 22 games, with no decisions on his ledger. Got a World Series Ring for his trouble, though.

smg58 Dec 12 2014 07:42 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

Gilmartin wasn't grabbed to be a starter. Those lefty splits could play at this level. Given the absurd amounts of money thrown at relievers this offseason, I like this pickup a lot. I'm not sure why our farm system is so worth raiding, but I bet/hope we get most of those guys back.

Edgy MD Dec 12 2014 08:58 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

I'm guessing the Mets' farm system is worth raiding because they've been doing a good job stockpiling a lot of talent.

Frayed Knot Dec 12 2014 09:13 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

smg58 wrote: I'm not sure why our farm system is so worth raiding, but I bet/hope we get most of those guys back. Sometimes how many players get selected in a given year is less a statement about the overall strength of the system being plucked than it is how many fall into the eligible category at one time -- although in this case I think we're going to see many of the gurus who rank these things putting the NYM system in their top 10 this winter and quite possibly in the top 5 so it's probably a matter of both.

Edgy MD Mar 18 2015 11:19 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

Logan Verrett smashing so far for Baltimore: Nine innings, two earned runs, one walk, eight strikeouts. The irony (and perhaps advantage) for the Mets is that possibly the best scenario for Logan Verrett making the team is if they shed a little Matusz.

Edgy MD Apr 03 2015 08:51 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

Baltimore, for whatever reason, tried to slip Logan Verrett through waivers, and he's been claimed by the team the Mets are facing right now. He retains his Rule V (or Rule 5 or Rule Five) status, so he still needs to stay on the 25-man roster or be offered back to the Mets.

Edgy MD Apr 26 2015 01:29 PM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

TexXxas has activated Wandy Rodriguez and, to make room for him, DFA'd Logan Verrett. Maybe the Mets get him back. Maybe he ends up back on Baltimore. I'm thinking he ends up taking a brief trip through KC or Chicago to replace one of the suspenderinos.

Edgy MD May 04 2015 11:21 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

Boom! Logan Verrett boomerangs back to the Mets. As if Las Vegas wasn't strong enough.

Benjamin Grimm May 04 2015 11:27 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

And he's back in the running to be the thousandth Met! (Are we the only ones who know about this upcoming milestone?)

Edgy MD May 04 2015 11:28 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

If I had a line to Jay Horwitz, he'd never stop hearing about it.

Ceetar May 04 2015 11:29 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

Benjamin Grimm wrote: And he's back in the running to be the thousandth Met! (Are we the only ones who know about this upcoming milestone?) no.

A Boy Named Seo May 04 2015 11:29 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

Benjamin Grimm wrote: And he's back in the running to be the thousandth Met! (Are we the only ones who know about this upcoming milestone?) That's the type of factoid that Gary would go nuts over.

MFS62 May 05 2015 08:10 AM Re: Rule 5 Draft 2014

Edgy MD wrote: I'm sure there are several more. I know Eric Valent was one. A rare Rule 5 draftee with MLB experience, he. Lenny DiNardo was another Rule 5ee that the team lost outright when he spent a full season on the Red Sox roster. Another one was an interesting case. In 2002 they lost infielder Enrique Cruz to the Brewers. I had followed the switch hitting shortstop after reading that he had hit 47 home runs in about 250 At bats (not a misprint) in a Dominican junior league. But he never showed those skills in pro ball. I thought he was gone forever, but he was re-signed by the Mets about 5 or 6 years ago, then released about a month later. Later