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CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

Batgirl

7 votes

Catwoman

7 votes

Edgy MD Dec 15 2014 09:01 PM

Two tightly clad members of the Batman world met as they were always mean to meet, here in the DC/Indie Conference's Batman Family Bracket. [fimg=280]http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2013/351/6/8/batgirl_commission_colors_by_dawn_mcteigue-d6ycp5p.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=280]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_b_LLegHgbsI/S_930h0PdOI/AAAAAAAACNg/DVX0JelT8lQ/s1600/Catwoman1.jpg[/fimg] Name: Batgirl Name: Catwoman AKA: Betty Kane, Barbara Gordon, Helena Bertinelli, Cassandra Cain, Stephanie Brown, but mostly Barbara Gordon and it's her tale I focus on below. Barbara is also known as Oracle. AKA: Bob Kane, Bill Finger Creator(s): Bill Finger, Sheldon Moldoff Creator(s): Selina Kyle, The Cat, Irena Dubrovna Place of Birth: OH Place of Birth: Gotham City, NJ How She Came to Be: Became obsessed with Batman as a tween. When she decided in college to crash a society ball dressed as a feminized version of Batman, she walked on Bruce Wayne being taken hostage. She intervened and a supe was born. How She Came to Be: Living by an ambiguous moral code, Catwoman is depicted as a villian through most of her history, with occasional partnerships of convenience with Batman tilting her toward moral neutrality. She appears to reform following a mindwipe by Zatanna, but attempts to kill Z when she learns this. Nonetheless, after giving birth to a daughter, she seemingly has decided to continue working with the white hats, for now, and so qualifies for this bracket. Base of Operations: Gotham City, NJ Base of Operations: Gotham City, NJ Teams: Batman Family, Birds of Prey, Seven Soldiers of Victory, Suicide Squad, Justice League Teams: Batman Family, Female Furies, Justice League of America Signature Lines: "I can see Gotham's future. And without people like you and Pixie Boots and me, this place doesn't have much to look forward to." Signature Lines: "Meow!!" Arch-Enemy: Knightfall Arch-Enemy: Apart from Batman, The Black Mask, I guess Sidekick(s): Had a big Asian guy in the newspaper version, but that's probably to be treated as non-canonical. Sidekick(s): Holly Robinson Paramour(s): Dick Grayson, Jason Bard Paramour Bruce Wayne/Batman, Ted Grant/Wildcat Has Been Played By: Yvonne Craig, Dina Meyer, Alicia Silverstone Once Played By: Julie Newmar, Lee Meriwether, Eartha Kitt, Maggie Baird, Camren Bicondova, Michelle Pfeiffer, Halle Berry, Anne Hathaway, and countless affirmation-craving folks at comic conferences and Halloween parties everywhere. Could Have Been Played By: Julianne Moore Could Have Been Played By: Jennfier Lawrence Song I Think Of: "Batgirl, Batgirl" Song I Think Of: "Pet Me, Poppa" Supernatural Powers: None. Supernatural Powers: None Non-Super Abilities: Black-belt level martial artist. Champion-level athlete. After being confined to a wheelchair, she continues to study martial arts and hangs on to her eskrima sticks. She's got a genuis-level mind, and is a crack computer user and hacker. Tech-wise, she sports gizmos of her own design. But information science is her field and she is hard to top in this area. Non-Super Abilities: "Superior athlete, terrific gymnast, deadly hand-to-hand combatant, and equipped to the gills with the skill set of an expert cat burglar (climbing walls, moving unseen and unheard in shadows, etc.). Her equipment includes spring-loaded climbing pitons and razor-sharp retractable claws. She's hell with bullwhips and cats o' nine tails. The whips also serve as swinging and grappling tools. She has an empathic relationship with all types of cats --- domestic, feral, and giant ones from the jungle too. She can gain their trust and enter into their tribe and her studied adoption of their character has led to her impressive survival skills. She always leaves herself a way out, in a pinch, in life, and (usually) in love." Weaknesses: She's a flesh-and-blood human being, who had to be rescued by Batman and Robin a few times early in her career. Now she's a parapalegic and confined to a wheel chair. Weaknesses: Another flesh-and-blood human. She'd never admit it, but her affection with Batman can occasionally cloud her judgment (not as much as his, though). Insists on working in heels.

Vic Sage Dec 15 2014 09:10 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

i don't know who'd win, but i'd pay to see this cat fight. actually, i do know who would win. so do you. meow. oh, and Edgy, you've got a problem with Catwoman's team affiliations. I'm pretty sure she's not with the X-Men.

Edgy MD Dec 15 2014 09:24 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

Sorry about that. Cut-'n'-paste error.

MFS62 Dec 15 2014 09:30 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

It was a tossup until I read that Batgirl had been played by Dina Meyer. She gets my vote. Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 15 2014 11:43 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

Bad girls in fetishwear >>> good girls in fetishwear. Also, these Catwoman collections (by Ed Brubaker-- again-- and Darwin Cooke) are sexy, stylish, smart fun.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 16 2014 12:01 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

Edgy MD Dec 16 2014 05:30 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Bad girls in fetishwear >>> good girls in fetishwear. Sez you, but we're going for heroes here, buddy.

MFS62 Dec 16 2014 06:46 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

Its beginning to look like the greatest hero of them all is the person who invented Spandex. Later

Benjamin Grimm Dec 16 2014 07:21 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

I was surprised to see Catwoman classified as a hero -- I guess I don't know her full history; at best I would have thought of her as a Batman "frenemy" -- but she's a much more interesting character than Batgirl, so she has my vote. (There was a time when virtually all super villains wore secondary colors: some combinations of orange, purple, and green. That must explain why Catwoman would be wearing a green costume.)

Vic Sage Dec 16 2014 07:55 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

Selina definitely has a thing for Bruce. Check her tatts:

Vic Sage Dec 16 2014 08:02 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

i always preferred her in purple, and drawn by Neal Adams whenever possible:

Benjamin Grimm Dec 16 2014 08:17 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

Purple is a better choice than green. Not that there are more purple cats than green cats, but purple somehow does seem more cat-like than green does.

Edgy MD Dec 16 2014 08:25 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

This'll come up again when we get to Emma Frost, but lately reformed villains getting ahead of career-long heroes rubs me the wrong way. I mean, well, Jesus votes that way, but not because boobies.

Vic Sage Dec 16 2014 08:32 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

this isn't the first time these two have tussled:

Benjamin Grimm Dec 16 2014 08:35 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

I imagine that in searching for those images, you saw some lesbian fan art?

Vic Sage Dec 16 2014 08:55 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

oh boy, did i! In fact, there are many images of Catwoman receiving the sort of corrective discipline that may have put on the path to redemption. As to "hero or villain", these things are not always quite so clear. Punisher? Wolverine? Murderous types seeking vengeance more than justice. But anti-heroes are still included here. Meanwhile, Catwoman's "reformation" is the central issue of her character, and in recent years, she's as likely to be portrayed heroically. There's this: http://hero.wikia.com/wiki/Catwoman "Catwoman is the nemesis, anti-hero, and love interest of Batman, she first appeared in Batman #1 spring 1940. Though typically thought of and depicted as a villain, Catwoman has repeatedly acted in a heroic capacity, and in more modern comics is a hero as often as she is a villain, and even when a villain shows consistent moral standards and far more restraint and scruples than any of Batman's other major foes. " and here she's ranked #20 among all time comic book superHEROES: http://www.ign.com/top/comic-book-heroes/20 but here she's #1 on the list of female supervillains: http://www.newsarama.com/15629-lethal-l ... lains.html so on a close call, i think boobies break the tie and argue (strongly) for her inclusion.

Edgy MD Dec 16 2014 09:32 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

If it'll swing your vote, I'd like to point out Batgirl has lumpy bits, spandex, and red hair. And the lack of claws has to be considered a plus from where I sit. I understand your dominatrix fantasies, but I draw the line at being cut to ribbons. Honestly, I draw the line well before that.

Mets – Willets Point Dec 16 2014 09:53 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

Batgirl is a librarian. You know my allegiances.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 16 2014 10:00 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Batgirl is a librarian. She's the sexy librarian that all sexy librarians aspire to be.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 16 2014 10:23 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

Vic Sage wrote: Selina definitely has a thing for Bruce. Check her tatts: [fimg=655]http://galeri2.uludagsozluk.com/344/catwoman_424489.jpg[/fimg] Oh my god! Is that how today's comic books are drawn? Jeez, I was born too early.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 16 2014 11:28 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

No boobies? Fine, then. More Complex Character (although this one's close-- Barbara Gordon is pretty complicated herself) + Better Defining Works +Cat O' Nine Tails = Vote for the one in black

cooby Dec 16 2014 11:42 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

MFS62 wrote: Its beginning to look like the greatest hero of them all is the person who invented Spandex. Later Oh good one, mfs62! Regarding Selina, it appears her bra does not fit correctly; her straps gap

Vic Sage Dec 16 2014 12:01 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

yes, Coob, thanks for pointing that out. how's her posture? :)

Vic Sage Dec 16 2014 12:21 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

Edgy MD wrote: If it'll swing your vote, I'd like to point out Batgirl has lumpy bits, spandex, and red hair. It sure swings SOMETHING... but not my vote. Batgirl is hot, yes, but too goody-goody to have the same appeal, too sisterly. A good woman needs some "bad girl" in her, too, if only for some emotional and psychological complexity. And the lack of claws has to be considered a plus from where I sit. I understand your dominatrix fantasies, but I draw the line at being cut to ribbons. If you're drawing ANY lines, then you don't understand them at all. wait.. what? who typed that? FMan, are you out there?

cooby Dec 16 2014 12:22 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

Vic Sage wrote: yes, Coob, thanks for pointing that out. how's her posture? :) I'd say pretty good, considering :)

Zvon Dec 16 2014 01:58 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

This one's unfair to a Batfan. And a spandex fan.

Vic Sage Dec 17 2014 08:30 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

Spandex is not required. In fact, at the sex club Batgirl has to infiltrate to catch Catwoman, even clothes are optional.

Zvon Dec 17 2014 02:50 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

^humina,humina,humina.

Edgy MD Dec 17 2014 06:40 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

cooby wrote: MFS62 wrote: Its beginning to look like the greatest hero of them all is the person who invented Spandex. Later Oh good one, mfs62! Regarding Selina, it appears her bra does not fit correctly; her straps gap This comment keeps coming back to me and breaking me up.

Mets – Willets Point Dec 17 2014 08:03 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

Edgy MD wrote: cooby wrote: MFS62 wrote: Its beginning to look like the greatest hero of them all is the person who invented Spandex. Later Oh good one, mfs62! Regarding Selina, it appears her bra does not fit correctly; her straps gap This comment keeps coming back to me and breaking me up. I'm surprised she even wears a bra as her superbreasts don't seem to need any support.

Nymr83 Dec 17 2014 10:01 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

Edgy MD wrote: cooby wrote: MFS62 wrote: Its beginning to look like the greatest hero of them all is the person who invented Spandex. Later Oh good one, mfs62! Regarding Selina, it appears her bra does not fit correctly; her straps gap This comment keeps coming back to me and breaking me up. FMAN's reasons for voting should all be collected in one place for a real laugh

seawolf17 Dec 18 2014 08:37 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

I can't vote without more pictures.

Edgy MD Dec 18 2014 08:40 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

Nymr83 wrote: Edgy MD wrote: cooby wrote: MFS62 wrote: Its beginning to look like the greatest hero of them all is the person who invented Spandex. Later Oh good one, mfs62! Regarding Selina, it appears her bra does not fit correctly; her straps gap This comment keeps coming back to me and breaking me up. FMAN's reasons for voting should all be collected in one place for a real laugh I must assert that cooby is and long has been the real NBF talent among us. The NBF is her house and the rest of us are just visiting.

Vic Sage Dec 18 2014 03:34 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

seawolf17 wrote: I can't vote without more pictures.

Fman99 Dec 18 2014 08:55 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

Deliberated long. And hard. And now, my thinking process is, well, flaccid. I'm off to bed, maybe after I eat a sandwich.

Edgy MD Dec 18 2014 09:25 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

We have a Dazzler/Wolverine-type dealio developing here.

Zvon Dec 18 2014 09:33 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

I went looking for that comic at The Pirate Bay (which might be gone). I love how 1) they don't seem to know she's Batgirl and 2) they let her keep the mask on.

MFS62 Dec 19 2014 06:59 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

Zvon wrote: I went looking for that comic at The Pirate Bay (which might be gone). I love how 1) they don't seem to know she's Batgirl and 2) they let her keep the mask on. Its been happening in comic books since they didn't know Clark Kent was Superman when he put on the glasses. Later

seawolf17 Dec 19 2014 07:00 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

I'm still not sure how this isn't the finals matchup.

Vic Sage Dec 19 2014 07:41 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

i wasn't sufficiently drunk during the seeding process

Benjamin Grimm Dec 23 2014 01:08 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Batgirl vs. Catwoman

Polling has closed, leaving us with our second tie.