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CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blade vs. Moon Knight

Blade

8 votes

Moon Knight

4 votes

Edgy MD Dec 16 2014 05:59 PM

Two guys who know the smell of vengeance and what death tastes like meet in the Gods and the Occult Bracket of the Marvel Conference. [fimg=300]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/cb/75/20/cb75200014caca837a5693b19af8236a.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=275]http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/093/f/e/moon_knight_colors___jason_metcalf_by_jasonmetcalf-d4uvnq9.jpg[/fimg] Name: Blade Name: Moon Knight AKA: Eric Brooks, also Daywalker, Frank Blade, SwitchBlade, Spider Hero, Ronin AKA: Doug Moench, Don Perlin Creator(s): Marv Wolfman, Gene Colan Creator(s): Marc Spector, also Steven Grant, Jake Lockley, The Fist of Khonshu, Yitzak Topol Place of Birth: Soho, London, England, UK Place of Birth: Chicago, IL How He Came to Be: This is messed up. The doctor called on to deliver Eric was a vampire, who feasted on his mother while she was in labor with wee Eric. Passed on through the biting into his mother and then into Eric were bloodborn traits that gave Eric many of the traits of a vamp without fully becoming one. How He Came to Be: Left to die in the Egyptian desert, he is found and placed before a statue of the god Konshu. Upon his death, Konshu offers him a second chance at life if he is willing to become the god's avatar on Earth. This is a tough choice to make on the spot, so you want to think about it now just in case. Base of Operations: Gem Theater, New York City, New York; formerly New Orleans, Louisiana Base of Operations: New York, NY; Formerly: Los Angeles, CA; Spector Mansion, Long Island, NY; Avengers Compound, Los Angeles, CA Teams: MI: 13, Nightstalkers, Vanguard, Midnight Sons, Mighty Avengers, Avengers of the Supernatural Teams: Secret Avengers, Avengers, West Coast Avengers, Defenders, Marvel Knights, Heroes for Hire Signature Lines: "So, how many times do I have to put you in the ground?" Signature Lines: "I'm a ghost now... A spectre of the moon... the moon's knight of vengeance---and I got work to do." Arch-Enemy: Deacon Frost (Black Jack in the early years) Arch-Enemy: "Raoul Bushman" Sidekick(s): None Sidekick(s): Frenchie, Jeff Wilde/Midnight Paramour(s): Glory, Jacqueline Falsworth/Spitfire Paramour Marlene Alraune, Tigra/Greer Grant Nelson Has Been Played By: Wesley Snipes, Kirk "Sticky Fingaz" Jones, Once Played By: Nobody except cartoons and their voices, as far as I can see. Could Have Been Played By: Roland Gift Could Have Been Played By: Mark Hamill Appropriate Theme Song: "I've Had Enough of Vampires" Appropriate Theme Song: "The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress" Supernatural Powers: Basically, by being infected at the right times by the right guys, Blade's got a lot of the plusses of being vampire --- superhuman strength, speed, stamina, agility, reflexes, and durability; long life, healing, but few of the drawbacks. He can handle sunlight, and he can sublimate his bloodlust in hunting for vampires instead of eating mortals. He's also gifted with the ability to sense other supernatural beings in his vicinity. Supernatural Powers: Currently none. He formerly had superpowers linked to phases of the moon. The more moonlight there was, the more strenth, agility and endurance he had. He formerly had an array of cool weapons and an adamantium suit. Who wouldn't want one of those? Non-Super Abilities: Olympic-level athlete even without his vamp powers and a highly skilled hand-to-hand combatant. An expert in handling knives and daggers, thus his name. Non-Super Abilities: He's an expert pilot (planes and copters), detedtive, spy, interrogator, marksman, weapons guy, and martial artist. He's got the skills of a boxer and a spy and a merc. He's rich, so he's always got a cool ride. Weaknesses: He's known to be cocky reckless, which has, from time to time, come around to bite him in the ass, almost quite literally. Otherwise, his main weakness is to be semi-vampiric fighting guys who are the full deal. Weaknesses: He has mulitple personalities, and suffers occasional mental breakdowns.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 16 2014 07:00 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blade vs. Moon Knight

My vote has to go to Blade. I was a big fan of Tomb of Dracula. I don't recognize him at all in the picture that's posted above. The Blade that I know looks like this:

Fman99 Dec 16 2014 08:07 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blade vs. Moon Knight

I like Moon Knight because he's not a tax cheat. And, also, I assume he's gotten lots of trim with that big unclipped Egyptian trouser thug of his.

Edgy MD Dec 16 2014 08:40 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blade vs. Moon Knight

My vote has to go to Blade. I was a big fan of Tomb of Dracula. I don't recognize him at all in the picture that's posted above. The Blade that I know looks like this: This was among the toughest of my "Could Have Been Played By" assignments, because no two pictures I dug up looked like the same guy. Even the two you post here: the first looks like a formidable 40-year-old athlete with an afro, and the second looks like a somewhat gaunt 64-year-old James Brown imitator with a pompadour and a history of modestly prolonged alcohol abuse. The main thing the latter-day depictions seemed to have in common was that the guy usually had a widow's peak, so I went with Roland Gift, but come on, artists, draw your hero at least somewhat consistently.

Vic Sage Dec 17 2014 08:15 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blade vs. Moon Knight

I enjoyed Colan's Blade in DRACULA and the Siencewicz run on MK, but neither character every really had much significance for me. But i like the matchup because of their similarities and contrasts: * They are both bronze-aged superheroes of supernatural origin. While Blade is vampire based, MK is werewolf-based (originally appearing in the WEREWOLF BY NIGHT series), originally getting supernatural powers from the Egyptian god of vengeance which grew stronger with the phases of the moon. * They are both 2nd tier characters who have been more successful as co-stars rather than leading characters in their own titles. At least until Wesley Snipes turned Blade into a movie-star. * They've also both been depicted by top Marvel artists at some point (Gene Colan and Bill Siencewicz). * MK suffers from multiple personality disorder, while Blade must sometimes wrestle with a different disability arising from his own vampiric cravings. * MK is one of the few Jewish superheroes (Marc Spector is the son of a rabbi), so becoming the incarnation of an Egyptian god could be compared to Blade, borne with vampire DNA, taking up arms on behalf of humanity against his blood brothers. In a sense, they are both tales if immigrant assimilation. Anyway, without a real strong feeling either way, i'll go with the character that has had some hit movies over the Hank Greenberg of superheroes.

Edgy MD Dec 17 2014 09:03 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blade vs. Moon Knight

Wow, more folks at the annual superhero seder than we might have thunk: [list]Arsenic/Gertrude Yorkes Atom/Ray Palmer Batwoman/Kate Kane (you just know she shows up with her own Hagaddah) Justice/Vance Astrovik Legion/David Charles Haller Leviathan/Gim Allon Magneto/Max Eisenhardt (famously, a Holocaust survivor) Masada/Deborah Konigsberg Moon Knight/Marc Spector (as noted) Nuklon/Albert Rothstein Polaris/Lorna Dane Prime/Kevin Green (related to Shawn Green?) Quicksilver/Pietro Maximoff (first appears when he saves his sister from a pogrom-like mob) Ragman/Rory Regan Sasquatch/Walter Langkowski (even wears the side curls) Shadowcat/Kitty Pryde Sabra/Ruth Bat-Seraph (makes a mean falafel) Doc Samson/Dr. Leonard "Leo" Skivorski Jr. Scarlet Witch/Wanda Maximoff Seraph/Chaim Levon Shaloman (poorly drawn golem-type hero from an indy house) Songbird/Melissa Joan Gold Thing/Ben Grimm (a very difficult circumcision)[/list:u]

Vic Sage Dec 17 2014 09:11 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blade vs. Moon Knight Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 17 2014 09:15 AM

*avi*

Vic Sage Dec 17 2014 09:15 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blade vs. Moon Knight

Ragman/Rory Regan - this guy is to Jewish superheroes what "Banshee" is to Irish characters; an amalgam of offensive stereotypes. Doc Samson/Dr. Leonard "Leo" Skivorski Jr. - well of course the doctor is Jewish Atom/Ray Palmer - i had no idea, but a Jewish scientist isn't a shocker either Thing/Ben Grimm (a very difficult circumcision) -i never thought of Ben Grimm as Jewish, but now in retrospect, of course he is. Jack Kirby based him on his own hardscrabble life growing up on the lower east side. And the notion of a Jewish hero made of stone is as ancient as golem tales get. Magneto - This i knew, but it never occurred to me that his kids (Pietro and Wanda) were, too (by definition, if no inclination) Polaris/Lorna Dane - really? Shadowcat/Kitty Pryde - alot of Jewish mutants; i had no idea.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 17 2014 09:23 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blade vs. Moon Knight

Jack Kirby always knew that Benjamin Jacob Grimm was Jewish, but it wasn't "revealed" in an actual comic book story until 2002.

Edgy MD Dec 17 2014 09:25 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blade vs. Moon Knight

Vic Sage wrote: Shadowcat/Kitty Pryde - alot of Jewish mutants; i had no idea. Kitty doesn't mess about. She flies the flag. [fimg=200]http://www.writeups.org/img/fiche/4780a.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=200]http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--uL5OMni2--/17w9lpix9qnovjpg.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=200]http://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/jewishkittypryde2.jpg[/fimg] Does the menorah too.

Vic Sage Dec 17 2014 09:34 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blade vs. Moon Knight

yeah, Kitty became a prevalent character in the 1980s, after i had stopped reading most new superhero comics; at that point i was reading mostly vertigo and indies. That's one big honking Star of David you got there, Miss Kitty. Good for you. And the reveal with Ben Grimm, same thing timing-wise. But that one at least makes sense of what i already new about the character. The only mainstream major characters i remember being overtly Jewish back in the 60s-70s was "Ragman" (and the less said about him the better) and Magneto, who is a villain. So when Moon Knight came along, i noticed.

Nymr83 Dec 17 2014 10:00 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blade vs. Moon Knight

Vic Sage wrote: Ragman/Rory Regan - this guy is to Jewish superheroes what "Banshee" is to Irish characters; an amalgam of offensive stereotypes. Doc Samson/Dr. Leonard "Leo" Skivorski Jr. - well of course the doctor is Jewish Atom/Ray Palmer - i had no idea, but a Jewish scientist isn't a shocker either Thing/Ben Grimm (a very difficult circumcision) -i never thought of Ben Grimm as Jewish, but now in retrospect, of course he is. Jack Kirby based him on his own hardscrabble life growing up on the lower east side. And the notion of a Jewish hero made of stone is as ancient as golem tales get. Magneto - This i knew, but it never occurred to me that his kids (Pietro and Wanda) were, too (by definition, if no inclination) Polaris/Lorna Dane - really? Shadowcat/Kitty Pryde - alot of Jewish mutants; i had no idea. Polaris, is she even Magneto's kid? I really have no idea... Magneto (or rather the android posing as Magneto) claimed to be her father, but was this ever proven? Magneto's other kids (Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver) would by the definition of jewish law not be jewish as their mother was a gypsy not a jew at least as i remember the comics. never heard of half these other characters but nice to see the stereotype falafel girl!

Edgy MD Dec 18 2014 06:20 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blade vs. Moon Knight

I don't know that Sabra is portrayed as a stereotype. I just associate the word with a line of prepared vegetarian foods. During the most recent Israeli-Palestinian hostilities, they were a brand people were told to stay away from, under the claim that they were profiting on the conflict. Shaloman, now there's nothing stereotypical to concern you here. No, sir!

Nymr83 Dec 18 2014 06:52 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blade vs. Moon Knight

When i think sabra i think solely of the hummus, which is good for store bought stuff but not really that good. Sabra has done nothing "wrong" other than being an Israeli conpany, a mortal sin to the far left. Matzah man is hilarious. I suspect that just like chief wahoo everyones mileage is going to vary on how offensive they find all these "ethnic" characters

MFS62 Dec 18 2014 07:11 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blade vs. Moon Knight

Of course, there was this guy: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... rhero.html Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 18 2014 09:15 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blade vs. Moon Knight

Sabra's popped up in a few places over the years-- the only one I recall in detail offhand involved her fighting-then-teaming-up (isn't that always the way?) with the Hulk back in the '90s. She's never been so much stereotypical; she's usually just kind of there, as a poor-gal's-Cap-cum-walking this-story-takes-place-in-Israel signifier. With the troubled/traumatic past, demi-spiritual-near-death-experience-following-failed-adventuring-exploit origin, halloween-spooky getup, rich-man toys, lone-wolf mentality, and mental illness bouts, Moon Knight always struck me as Shitty Batman. The deeper delving into his (possible) psychosis has made him a richer, more interesting character... but, for a guy's who's always been a white hat, he's ever really seemed all that heroic to me. Blade's gone from funky to funkay to Matrix-y, and remains kind of a badass, if kind of a blank slate. He gets my vote, sorta by default.

Vic Sage Dec 19 2014 10:11 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blade vs. Moon Knight

Moon Knight always struck me as Shitty Batman. Similar, obviously, and all superheroes more or less fall either into the superman paradigm or the batman paradigm, but i think there are some critical distinctions. Or at least one that seems critical to me and goes to the core of each character. Bruce Wayne was traumatizedf as a child by the tragic consequence of evil inflicted on his family. He spends his life trying to stop any other child by being similarly traumatized by obsessively fighting evil with his wealth and determination. Marc Spector was a mercenary, a killer, who is killed when he acted in a moment of conscience. He is resurrected with powers that allow him to expiate his own guilt. His is a quest for personal redemption that has positive consequences for the world. Batman's journey is to take positive actions in the world which may lead him to personal redemption. They are sort of mirror images of each other, 1 dark... and 1 even darker.

Edgy MD Jan 15 2015 05:04 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Blade vs. Moon Knight

Blade takes down another.