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CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) vs. Ms. Marvel

Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell)

4 votes

Ms. Marvel

9 votes

Edgy MD Dec 27 2014 08:47 PM

Battle of the Marvel family is happening RIGHT NOW and RIGHT HERE before your own eyes. I'm powerless to stop it! [fimg=250]http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r106/spiderman621/Mar-Vell.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=250]http://imageserver.moviepilot.com/-f4f4fb11-e51b-43b3-a3e1-046c90e791c9.jpeg?width=500&height=755[/fimg] Name: Captain Marvel Name: Ms. Marvel (captain marvel) AKA: Mar-Vell; also Doctor Walter Lawson, Captain Mar-Vel AKA: Carol Danvers; also Sharon Ventura, Karla Sofen, Kamala Khan. We're working mostly with Carol here. Carol also goes by Binary, Warbird, and Captain Marvel at different times. Creator(s): Stan Lee, Gene Colan Creator(s): Gerry Conway, John Buscema Place of Birth: The planet Hala Place of Birth: Boston, MA How He Came to Be: Mar-Vell came Earth as a spy on behalf the Kree, but came to sypathize with us Terrans. How She Came to Be: A USAF officer, Carol Danvers gets caught in a Kree explosion with fuses her DNA with that of Captain Marvel, turning her into Kree-Human hybrid. Base of Operations: Mobile Base of Operations: New York City, NY; formerly Washington DC; Avengers Mansion, New York, NY; Seattle, WA; Starship Starjammer in the Shi'ar Galaxy; San Francisco, CA; Cape Canaveral, FL Teams: Defenders, Avengers, Legion of the Unliving Teams: Avengers, USAF, NASA, S.H.I.E.L.D., X-Men, "Defenders for a Day," Starjammers, Mighty Avengers, New Avengers, Operation: Lightning Storm, Guardians of the Galaxy, and the Small Faces, I think Signature Lines: "o Monster... You shall not be allowed to kill -- Captain Marvel denies it!" Signature Lines: " Well... first there was nothing, then there was everything… . Then the good Lord saw fit to bring me into the world to kick the asses of those who need it most. So get ready, 'cause this day or the next, it's coming." Arch-Enemy: Yon-Rogg Arch-Enemy: Mystique Sidekick(s): Rick Jones Sidekick(s): Spider-Girl, for a bit Paramour(s): Una, Elysius Paramour Michael Barnett, Wonder Man/Simon Williams Has Been Played By: Only animated appearances Once Played By: Nobody, but a film is in production Could Have Been Played By: Robert Redford Could Have Been Played By: Estella Warren Song I Think Of: "Space Baby" by The Tubes Song I Think Of: "You're the Captain" by .38 Special Supernatural Powers: Initially just stronger and more durable than humans due to being a Kree. Eventually gained universal teleporting capabilities, as well as illusion projection capacity. This was lost, but then he became a solar conductor which gave him great strength and the ability to fly. This has something to do with his "nega-bands." He has also gained "cosmic awareness" which, like, detects trouble anywhere. Supernatural Powers: Currently, she's got a pretty good standard superpackage of superhuman strenth, endurance, stamina, and durability, with flight up to Mach 6. (Go, Carol!) She has a little precog ability, and (here's where the action is) she absorbs energy and shoots it out her fingertips. She gets stronger as she absorbs more, so watch what you throw at her, as it gets consumed and shot right back. Non-Super Abilities: He's a master of unarmed combat and has encyclopedic knowledge of the Kree. Non-Super Abilities: She's a well-trained spy, markswoman, and hand-to-hand fighter. Weaknesses: He kicks everybody's asses, but he needs those bands. Plus, he was created just to secure a copyright, which is sort of working backwards. Weaknesses: She can't absorb magical energy. She's vulnerable to magic. She also doesn't have a constant source of power, so if she unloads too much, she gets drained and needs to recharge.

Nymr83 Dec 27 2014 09:05 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) vs. Ms. Marve

I loved Carol inside Rogue's head in the 80's X-Men, occasionally taking control after the trip to Genosha

Benjamin Grimm Dec 28 2014 04:53 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) vs. Ms. Marve

Carol Danvers is an interesting character, and I'm really glad she's getting her own movie, but I had to vote for the big guy.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 28 2014 07:43 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) vs. Ms. Marve

I don't know, man. Powers and backstory aren't dissimilar, so... character/story it is. "The Death of Captain Marvel" is great, and compelling. But Mar-Vell's just a little before my time... so maybe that's why he leaves me just a little cold. Meanwhile, I've always enjoyed Carol Danvers, from the Ms. Marvel I've read to the little-voice-in-Rogue's-head dynamic to her more recent adventures-- rebel New Avenger during Civil War, and swashbuckling, conflicted and hilarious space adventurer (very much worth reading). Maybe this matchup would be different ten, or even five years ago-- as it stands, she's cresting, and he's still long-gone-- but, well... at this moment, gimme Girl Power.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 28 2014 08:28 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) vs. Ms. Marve

While I voted for him, it wouldn't at all be a travesty if she ended up winning; she's a strong candidate. (That is, as long as we're talking about Carol Danvers. Sharon Ventura is a whole other story, and she really shouldn't be bundled in with Carol.)

Vic Sage Dec 28 2014 08:52 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) vs. Ms. Marve

From his silver age SF roots, to his bronze age cosmic reboot by Jim Starlin, to his iconic name, to his emotional death from which he never returned, Mar-vell has been a landmark character in the MarvelVerse. Ms. Marvel was a 2nd tier spinoff during the years i was paying attention. So I'm going against the hotness factor here.

MFS62 Dec 28 2014 09:10 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) vs. Ms. Marve

There is only one Captain Marvel for me and this ain't him. Later

Vic Sage Dec 28 2014 09:12 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) vs. Ms. Marve

but then it isn't Carol Danvers either, so why does she get your vote? Breastage? NTTAWWT

MFS62 Dec 28 2014 09:19 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) vs. Ms. Marve

Vic Sage wrote: but then it isn't Carol Danvers either, so why does she get your vote? Breastage? NTTAWWT It was a vote against him. You know, the enemy of your enemy ... Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 28 2014 09:45 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) vs. Ms. Marve

Vic Sage wrote: From his silver age SF roots, to his bronze age cosmic reboot by Jim Starlin, to his iconic name, to his emotional death from which he never returned, Mar-vell has been a landmark character in the MarvelVerse. Ms. Marvel was a 2nd tier spinoff during the years i was paying attention. So I'm going against the hotness factor here. Yeah, but he was a second-tier silver-age hero (and that's being generous), wasn't he? And the name, well, the name-before-the-character bit kinda cancels that bit out. So, really, you're left with his powers, a handful of memorable Avengers-related adventures, and his (landmark) death. For my money, this is a past against present-and-future matchup, and the non-comic-book-death death factor, strong though it is, isn't quite enough to cancel out Ms. Danvers' growing advantages in the other areas. [Please note: absolutely no reference to high bikini lines or potential nipple exposure. Until now.]

Edgy MD Dec 28 2014 02:45 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) vs. Ms. Marve

Yeah, being a character created to beat other publishers in a race to secure another publisher's expired copyright trumps being a derivative character, in the great scale of misbegotten-ness, I think. The downside of Carol being consumed by Rogue is that it made Rogue less interesting as a hero (if perhaps more interesting as a character). Instead of wondering whose powers she would steal for the next engagement, she mostly defaulted to Carol's powers.

Vic Sage Dec 28 2014 04:27 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) vs. Ms. Marve

In the mid-70s, the young Brit writer-artist Jim Starlin was given the 2nd tier Captain Marvel and, for 1 year, he wrote and drew a story arc that offered the first great Thanos narrative and laid the groundwork for the entire niche of Marvel's "cosmic comics" in the 1970s -- trippy, philosophical musings on god and death that carried on in Silver Surfer, Warlock, Guardians of the Galaxy, and their related titles. That run was groundbreaking, and its echoes are still reverberating today (particularly in the "cosmic cube" saga now playing out in the Avengers movies and the hugely successful Guardians movie). Having recreated Captain Marvel in his own image, Starlin then launched the "Graphic Novel" format for Marvel with his landmark "Death of Captain Marvel" which is one of the single greatest comic books ever written. The impact of it was so significant that Marvel took the unusual step of leaving Mar-Vell permanently dead so as to not undermine this seminal work. Whatever Carol Danvers has accomplished in recent years, i seriously doubt she has climbed any comparable mountain.

Mets – Willets Point Dec 28 2014 08:25 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) vs. Ms. Marve

Gotta vote for a Boston gal.

Fman99 Dec 28 2014 08:48 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) vs. Ms. Marve

Vic Sage wrote: So I'm going against the hotness factor here. BOOOOOOOOO

Fman99 Dec 28 2014 08:49 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) vs. Ms. Marve

Ms Marvel can show me her superpackage any time.

Nymr83 Dec 28 2014 10:15 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) vs. Ms. Marve

Edgy MD wrote: Yeah, being a character created to beat other publishers in a race to secure another publisher's expired copyright trumps being a derivative character, in the great scale of misbegotten-ness, I think. The downside of Carol being consumed by Rogue is that it made Rogue less interesting as a hero (if perhaps more interesting as a character). Instead of wondering whose powers she would steal for the next engagement, she mostly defaulted to Carol's powers. yeah, but there are enough interesting powers. Rogue was at her best as the conflicted hero, awash with guilt over her former criminal life...but mostly over what she had done to the woman who was still inside her head

Edgy MD Feb 04 2015 06:41 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) vs. Ms. Marve

As has been the pattern in male/female match-ups thus far, the female combatant walks away with the trophy, 9-4 What a bunch of supporters for female empowerment you all are.

Vic Sage Feb 05 2015 07:42 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) vs. Ms. Marve

yeah, we're a bunch of feminists here... that must be it.