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Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Fman99
Jan 01 2015 06:55 AM

Off in a bit for Syracuse's annual "Resolution Run," a 4+ mile jaunt around the city. Includes a water/champagne stop and a post run meal of ziti, chili and beer.

themetfairy
Jan 01 2015 07:11 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

I have the Hamilton Hangover 5-miler this afternoon - one of my favorite races.

metsmarathon
Jan 01 2015 12:05 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

i've got no races today, but did just get in a decent 3.5 miler.

i'm tapering for my half marathon next weekend.

themetfairy
Jan 01 2015 01:00 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Best of luck mm!

I ran the Hamilton Hangover in 55:47.89. Not only am I thrilled to have completed the race in relative comfort (although the hip flexor tightened up a bit on the drive home), but this is less than 3 seconds off of my personal best for this race (I'm kicking myself, but only a little, for starting at the back of the pack with my friend instead of in a more strategic position, since this was a clock timed and not a net timed race). After sticking to 5K races in 2014, it was nice having a strong run at a longer distance again.

Fman99
Jan 01 2015 06:38 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Very nice.

Our resolution run is a very informal one -- they do have an electronic clock and bibs to identify runners (mostly for the sake of those officers and volunteers directing runners and traffic) -- but no chips or timing mats. The "official" course was 4.75 miles but I added an extra quarter mile near the end to get up to five miles. I ran it in 41:15 for about an 8:15/mile pace and that was a very comfortable, relaxed pace for me today.

I also signed up for my two spring marathons -- the Gettysburg North South Marathon on Sunday, April 26th and the Buffalo Marathon four weeks later. Training schedule to be assembled this weekend for my long weekend runs, incorporating local half marathons, weekend travel, etc. as able. Signed up for them yesterday to beat January 1 price hikes, just $150 for the two of them together is pretty reasonable.

Fman99
Jan 10 2015 08:30 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

2015 spring race calendar is filling out nicely.

Sunday Feb 1 - Couch Potato 5k (Liverpool)
Sunday Feb 22 - Lake Effect Half Marathon (Liverpool)
Sat Mar 7 - Shamrock Run 4 Miler (Syracuse)
Sat Mar 21 - Syracuse Half Marathon
Sun Apr 12 - Skunk Cabbage Half Marathon (Ithaca, NY)
Sat Apr 18 - CNY Springtime 10k (Jamesville, NY)
Su Apr 26 - Gettysburg North South Marathon
Sun May 3 - Mountain Goat Ten Mile Race (Syracuse)
Sun May 24 - Buffalo Marathon

The longer spring races are largely tune ups/long runs as training for the marathons in Gettysburg and Buffalo.

I ran two marathons seven weeks apart last fall -- this spring I will attempt to do two four weeks apart. My hope is to be able to do two each spring and two each fall -- in pairs, one being scenic/hilly (in this case, Gettysburg) and the other fast and fairly flat (Buffalo).

The fall full marathons are up in the air depending on whether or not I get drawn in the lottery for the NYC Marathon, which I will attempt to get into for the 3rd straight year. If I do not, I am likely to return to Philadelphia to run their full in November, which I loved, and find another fall full marathon in the Northeast that runs sometime in September or October (Mohawk-Hudson in Albany, perhaps, or Rochester).

Also by posting here, I am bumping this up in the list and hoping to hear a recap of metsmarathon's recent Disney Half Marathon that he just ran today :)

soupcan
Jan 13 2015 08:27 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

I've been running a pretty steady 15-20 miles a week for a while now and have gone from an average of 9:00+ per mile to about 8:50 per. I'm truly amazed by that as I don't feel as if I'm running faster.

I was in Europe over Christmas break and was able to get in a run in Munich which was pretty cool. Got a little bit lost but I kinda knew the general area I was in so it wasn't a big deal. Fun to run over there just to say that I did.

themetfairy
Jan 13 2015 01:55 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

The Best Marathon in Every State

Fman - you've done that Wineglass Marathon, right? Although honestly, I don't see how anything can top the extraordinary experience of the New York City Marathon.

metsmarathon
Jan 14 2015 10:15 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Also by posting here, I am bumping this up in the list and hoping to hear a recap of metsmarathon's recent Disney Half Marathon that he just ran today :)


the story of my 2015 walt disney world half marathon is a story of failure and triumph, of strength and weakness, of preparation and procrastination, and of laziness and fatigue, or, well, maybe just the last one. really, it's probably just a boring story with an ironic detail or three.

so, going into this race, as i'm sure you may be aware, i'm not teribly well prepared. sure, sure, i've run long distances, but december totally derailed most of my plans. i'd wanted to run abot twice as many miles in december as i actually ended up with. but i did get in a 13-miler and a bunch of 12's, so whatever.

going into the race, i didn't really have an outright goal, more of an informal goal of 2 hours - anything over 2 hours is kindof disappointing for me, as i should be able to roll out of bed and run a half in that time, easy. at least, that's what i keep telling myself even though it may no lnoger be true. plus, a 2-hour time in a half marathon gets you into a better corralfor the next year; it would be nice to cross that off hte checklist so early in the year. starting too far back, especially in this race, gets you behind far too mnay walkers and n00bs. not new runners, but n00b runners. there's a marked difference.

temperatures were in the low 40s for the start, and also for the hour and a half of walking, milling, and standing around that preceded the 5:30 am start. i was wearing shorts and a singlet, with a t-shirt under hte singlet. also long compression socks. i had briefly considered putting an additional compression sleeve on my calf under hte compression socks, but decided against it as overkill. plus, i'd never quite done that before, and worried about bunching, or it being uncomfortable. there was no specific concern, mind you, just conservative cautiousness, i think. i don't recall my calf givng me any real trouble in my training. maybe once a few weeks ago, it felt sore at the start of a run but it quickly subsided.

at the start of the race, my legs felt fine; tired, sure, but that's what you get for putting 11-month old twins into beat-up hotel pack&plays with unconfortable mattresses in the same hotel room as you for a few days - they did not really sleep most of the time we were there, and knowing that we were in a bed, visible, right next to them each time they woke up in the middle of hte night did not help one bit. but, yeah, my legs felt fine and fairly fresh. my plan was to start out relatively relaxed and easy for the first half of the race, then try to accelerate for the second hald. if all goes well, maybe i'd hit the 2-hour mark. or come excruciatingly close - whichev's!

my first mile took 10:30, though it also included a restroom break. but basically, i was on target with my plan. i had a watch and my phone keeping track of my time, but i wasn't paying much attention to either. i would try to run by feel.
i guess i felt good; i ran mile 2 in 8:55, but by mile 3, i started to notice that my calf was a little tight. not a lot tight, but a little tight. maybe just sore. hard to say. i would have to manage it throughout hte race. change up my stride, not charge up what little is offered in the way of hills, keep it happy. mile 3 was about a 9:20. i know this only because i had my phone with me; i was not keeping my split times during hte race. mile 4 was again under 9 minutes, at 8:57. mile 5 features the first of the "hills", where the course dips under the bridge connecting bay lake to the seven seas lagoon. running underwater, as it were. but its a steep descent and a steep quick ascent. i took it easy; didn't walk, although i probably should have. shotly thereafter, as we started to turn towards the magic kingdom, i was thinking to myself that i needed to get a decent walk break in soon, and that i needed to keep myself under control until that happens.
i should have taken the walk break when it occurred to me, in hindsight.
after hte 5 mile mark (10:02 ish), you run along the front wall of the magic kingdom, enter through a service tunnel under the railroad track, and then, boom, you're on main street, and there's a crowd there to cheer you on. well, that's not really accurate. more and more, it seems as if the crowds are tehre to cheer on their runner, and save their energy until they seem him or her, as if wasting their well wishes on the random strangers ambling by would diminish their excitement for and the boost given to their desired cheeree. see all those other people struggling by, why not give them a shout, too?! so as a run down main street, i start clapping vigorously and loudly, hoping to whip up some energy out of hte crowd. and it works. they start to cheer, and it seems to sustain itself for a while. it also seems to boost me as well, as i forgot my prior thought of chilling out for a bit. not that i was suddenly sprinting, mind you, buit i was not holding back either.
2/3 of the way down mainstreet, my calf gave me a squeeze. i did my best not to yell an obscenity at it, and immediately shifted to a full heel-strike. i had already planned to stop and take a photo of the castle lit up in all its nightly wonder at the end of main street, and did. got a nice shot of it too. then mustered all my grimace-faced gumption, started running a bit until i was out of hte way of the crowds of runners, and stopped on the bridge to tomorrowland to stretch out my calf. and that helped a lot. all told, i lost about three minutes there. grumble. i was back to running - no limp - but i wasn't going to be able to actively push myself and would run the remainder of mile 6, and all of mile 7 at about a 10:minute pace.

i guess i fell into a decent rhythm then, though, because i was faster in mile 8, ran mile 9 in 8:45, mile 10 in 8:30, and mile 11 again in 8:45. i slowed up again for mile 12 as this mile feature the last two of hte three overpasses that conclude the race. i took a needed walk break, for about 30 second or so, and just as i was starting to fall back into a good pace, i almost got tackled by some big dude. well, i'm bigger than he was, but he wasn't really small either. around the 12 mile marker, there was a first aid tent. as i pass it, i catch, out of the corner of my eye, a dude, green shirt, bald head, shoulder lowered, cutting across the course at an angle, coming right at me. he runs into me at about mid-arm height. he doesn't knock me down or over, and really just barely budged me; he probably would've creamed half the people around us at the time though; and that stopped him. he had apparently tripped coming in off the grass from the medical tent, or had just dipped onto the grass to get around someone, or whatever, but the dude was basically going to fall flat on his face or run somebody over if he didnt run into me. he was older than me, a little shorter, in good shape. i'd say he weighed about 180-190ish, and was about 5-10. he might've been able to right himself, but more llikely would've found a smaller runner to run into, or somebody's legs to get tripped up in. easily two or more people could've gone down in a heap. but instead he bounced off me and was able to recover. he apologized profusely, asking if i was okay. i laughed it off; he's the one who just ran into a wall. and continued on my way. i was fine, of course, but what little of my focus i had i had just lost.

well, for a little bit anyways. it was mile 12 of a half marathon, afterall. and hte 13th mile has you running into epcot, passing underneath the big golfball, turning around, and running past it again for the finish. mile 13 went by in 8:21, my fastest mile of hte day. i did try to take it easy on the turnaround tehre, to not blow out my calf, and had more than enough energy that i really wanted to turn on the jets, but to what end? if somebody else was doing a sprint-finish, sure, i'd kick 'em on and give 'em a what-for, but nobody was playing that game, so neither was i.

my official time was 2:05:55. if you do the math, there's a clear link between the time i spent managing my calf and hte time i missed my goal by. i'm not saying i would have run the last half as fast as i did if i didn't take that time to stretch my calf, but its frustrating all the same. and disappointing. but at the same time, i think i can convince myself that a 2-hour half was possible that day, so i shouldn't b too unhappy.

the really nice thing about haivng ended up not pushing myself all that hard during hte race was that for the rest of my vacation, i wasn't really sore. well, my one calf was sore, and all the walking after the race, and that night, pissed off my foot, but my legs still felt fresh. if i'd had the time and a happy calf, i could definitely have run more. i didn't have either, mind you, but its a nice thought to have.

so, yeah, i htink i'm pretty okay with my run. disappointed, but okay. trying to figure out what i did wrong to piss off my calf. the answer of course, is that i didn't stretch adequately before hte race. and by adequately, i mean not at all. its hard to find a spot to stretch in a race corral, but i should have. maybe more compression would've been helpful, but the lack of stretching was my downfall. i also could've done some more active stretching in the day s leading up to it, but yeah, not stretching before my race - something i know never to do - is what i did wrong.

kids, learn from me. don't do the things you know you shouldn't do. do the things you know you should do, especially when doing them wouldn't've gotten in hte way of a damned thing. eventuall i may just learn the same damned thing. sigh.

i'll probably be back to running htis weekend. maybe next.



one takeaway from the weekend is the sheer number of people who ran goofy and dopey. nearly 50% the finishers of the half marathon (and over 50% of the marathoners) completed either goofy (half on saturday, full on sunday) or dopey (5k thursday, 10lk friday, then half then full). there were 22,000 half marathon finishers, and about 19,000 in the full marathon. there were about 6500 dopeys and 5000 goofys, at least those who completed their respective challenges.

i'm curious to see the statistics of what their times were in the races, as it's difficult to tease out of hte posted results. but walking around afterwards, seeing all the people with their piles of medals (dopeys ended up with a total of 6 medals - one for each race, plus a goofy medal, plus a dopey medal), is both inspirational (wow, all these people did goofy and dopey! that's incredible!) and incredibly deflating (all i did was a half, and it broke me). but yeah, seeing all the poeple who did dopey has me thinking, damnit, i should be doing that.

we'll see...

metsmarathon
Jan 14 2015 10:18 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

themetfairy wrote:
The Best Marathon in Every State

Fman - you've done that Wineglass Marathon, right? Although honestly, I don't see how anything can top the extraordinary experience of the New York City Marathon.


wineglass must truly be one hell of a marathon to top new york!

i wish that was less of a list and more of a discussion as to why these marathons rate as the tops in their respective states. the atlantic city marathon, though, does look interesting. i might have to consider that for future years. like if i ever want to add a third state to my list of states having run a marathon in. (wineglass does not help in that respect)

themetfairy
Jan 14 2015 10:49 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Also by posting here, I am bumping this up in the list and hoping to hear a recap of metsmarathon's recent Disney Half Marathon that he just ran today :)


the story of my 2015 walt disney world half marathon is a story of failure and triumph, of strength and weakness, of preparation and procrastination, and of laziness and fatigue, or, well, maybe just the last one. really, it's probably just a boring story with an ironic detail or three.

so, going into this race, as i'm sure you may be aware, i'm not teribly well prepared. sure, sure, i've run long distances, but december totally derailed most of my plans. i'd wanted to run abot twice as many miles in december as i actually ended up with. but i did get in a 13-miler and a bunch of 12's, so whatever.

going into the race, i didn't really have an outright goal, more of an informal goal of 2 hours - anything over 2 hours is kindof disappointing for me, as i should be able to roll out of bed and run a half in that time, easy. at least, that's what i keep telling myself even though it may no lnoger be true. plus, a 2-hour time in a half marathon gets you into a better corralfor the next year; it would be nice to cross that off hte checklist so early in the year. starting too far back, especially in this race, gets you behind far too mnay walkers and n00bs. not new runners, but n00b runners. there's a marked difference.

temperatures were in the low 40s for the start, and also for the hour and a half of walking, milling, and standing around that preceded the 5:30 am start. i was wearing shorts and a singlet, with a t-shirt under hte singlet. also long compression socks. i had briefly considered putting an additional compression sleeve on my calf under hte compression socks, but decided against it as overkill. plus, i'd never quite done that before, and worried about bunching, or it being uncomfortable. there was no specific concern, mind you, just conservative cautiousness, i think. i don't recall my calf givng me any real trouble in my training. maybe once a few weeks ago, it felt sore at the start of a run but it quickly subsided.

at the start of the race, my legs felt fine; tired, sure, but that's what you get for putting 11-month old twins into beat-up hotel pack&plays with unconfortable mattresses in the same hotel room as you for a few days - they did not really sleep most of the time we were there, and knowing that we were in a bed, visible, right next to them each time they woke up in the middle of hte night did not help one bit. but, yeah, my legs felt fine and fairly fresh. my plan was to start out relatively relaxed and easy for the first half of the race, then try to accelerate for the second hald. if all goes well, maybe i'd hit the 2-hour mark. or come excruciatingly close - whichev's!

my first mile took 10:30, though it also included a restroom break. but basically, i was on target with my plan. i had a watch and my phone keeping track of my time, but i wasn't paying much attention to either. i would try to run by feel.
i guess i felt good; i ran mile 2 in 8:55, but by mile 3, i started to notice that my calf was a little tight. not a lot tight, but a little tight. maybe just sore. hard to say. i would have to manage it throughout hte race. change up my stride, not charge up what little is offered in the way of hills, keep it happy. mile 3 was about a 9:20. i know this only because i had my phone with me; i was not keeping my split times during hte race. mile 4 was again under 9 minutes, at 8:57. mile 5 features the first of the "hills", where the course dips under the bridge connecting bay lake to the seven seas lagoon. running underwater, as it were. but its a steep descent and a steep quick ascent. i took it easy; didn't walk, although i probably should have. shotly thereafter, as we started to turn towards the magic kingdom, i was thinking to myself that i needed to get a decent walk break in soon, and that i needed to keep myself under control until that happens.
i should have taken the walk break when it occurred to me, in hindsight.
after hte 5 mile mark (10:02 ish), you run along the front wall of the magic kingdom, enter through a service tunnel under the railroad track, and then, boom, you're on main street, and there's a crowd there to cheer you on. well, that's not really accurate. more and more, it seems as if the crowds are tehre to cheer on their runner, and save their energy until they seem him or her, as if wasting their well wishes on the random strangers ambling by would diminish their excitement for and the boost given to their desired cheeree. see all those other people struggling by, why not give them a shout, too?! so as a run down main street, i start clapping vigorously and loudly, hoping to whip up some energy out of hte crowd. and it works. they start to cheer, and it seems to sustain itself for a while. it also seems to boost me as well, as i forgot my prior thought of chilling out for a bit. not that i was suddenly sprinting, mind you, buit i was not holding back either.
2/3 of the way down mainstreet, my calf gave me a squeeze. i did my best not to yell an obscenity at it, and immediately shifted to a full heel-strike. i had already planned to stop and take a photo of the castle lit up in all its nightly wonder at the end of main street, and did. got a nice shot of it too. then mustered all my grimace-faced gumption, started running a bit until i was out of hte way of the crowds of runners, and stopped on the bridge to tomorrowland to stretch out my calf. and that helped a lot. all told, i lost about three minutes there. grumble. i was back to running - no limp - but i wasn't going to be able to actively push myself and would run the remainder of mile 6, and all of mile 7 at about a 10:minute pace.

i guess i fell into a decent rhythm then, though, because i was faster in mile 8, ran mile 9 in 8:45, mile 10 in 8:30, and mile 11 again in 8:45. i slowed up again for mile 12 as this mile feature the last two of hte three overpasses that conclude the race. i took a needed walk break, for about 30 second or so, and just as i was starting to fall back into a good pace, i almost got tackled by some big dude. well, i'm bigger than he was, but he wasn't really small either. around the 12 mile marker, there was a first aid tent. as i pass it, i catch, out of the corner of my eye, a dude, green shirt, bald head, shoulder lowered, cutting across the course at an angle, coming right at me. he runs into me at about mid-arm height. he doesn't knock me down or over, and really just barely budged me; he probably would've creamed half the people around us at the time though; and that stopped him. he had apparently tripped coming in off the grass from the medical tent, or had just dipped onto the grass to get around someone, or whatever, but the dude was basically going to fall flat on his face or run somebody over if he didnt run into me. he was older than me, a little shorter, in good shape. i'd say he weighed about 180-190ish, and was about 5-10. he might've been able to right himself, but more llikely would've found a smaller runner to run into, or somebody's legs to get tripped up in. easily two or more people could've gone down in a heap. but instead he bounced off me and was able to recover. he apologized profusely, asking if i was okay. i laughed it off; he's the one who just ran into a wall. and continued on my way. i was fine, of course, but what little of my focus i had i had just lost.

well, for a little bit anyways. it was mile 12 of a half marathon, afterall. and hte 13th mile has you running into epcot, passing underneath the big golfball, turning around, and running past it again for the finish. mile 13 went by in 8:21, my fastest mile of hte day. i did try to take it easy on the turnaround tehre, to not blow out my calf, and had more than enough energy that i really wanted to turn on the jets, but to what end? if somebody else was doing a sprint-finish, sure, i'd kick 'em on and give 'em a what-for, but nobody was playing that game, so neither was i.

my official time was 2:05:55. if you do the math, there's a clear link between the time i spent managing my calf and hte time i missed my goal by. i'm not saying i would have run the last half as fast as i did if i didn't take that time to stretch my calf, but its frustrating all the same. and disappointing. but at the same time, i think i can convince myself that a 2-hour half was possible that day, so i shouldn't b too unhappy.

the really nice thing about haivng ended up not pushing myself all that hard during hte race was that for the rest of my vacation, i wasn't really sore. well, my one calf was sore, and all the walking after the race, and that night, pissed off my foot, but my legs still felt fresh. if i'd had the time and a happy calf, i could definitely have run more. i didn't have either, mind you, but its a nice thought to have.

so, yeah, i htink i'm pretty okay with my run. disappointed, but okay. trying to figure out what i did wrong to piss off my calf. the answer of course, is that i didn't stretch adequately before hte race. and by adequately, i mean not at all. its hard to find a spot to stretch in a race corral, but i should have. maybe more compression would've been helpful, but the lack of stretching was my downfall. i also could've done some more active stretching in the day s leading up to it, but yeah, not stretching before my race - something i know never to do - is what i did wrong.

kids, learn from me. don't do the things you know you shouldn't do. do the things you know you should do, especially when doing them wouldn't've gotten in hte way of a damned thing. eventuall i may just learn the same damned thing. sigh.

i'll probably be back to running htis weekend. maybe next.



one takeaway from the weekend is the sheer number of people who ran goofy and dopey. nearly 50% the finishers of the half marathon (and over 50% of the marathoners) completed either goofy (half on saturday, full on sunday) or dopey (5k thursday, 10lk friday, then half then full). there were 22,000 half marathon finishers, and about 19,000 in the full marathon. there were about 6500 dopeys and 5000 goofys, at least those who completed their respective challenges.

i'm curious to see the statistics of what their times were in the races, as it's difficult to tease out of hte posted results. but walking around afterwards, seeing all the people with their piles of medals (dopeys ended up with a total of 6 medals - one for each race, plus a goofy medal, plus a dopey medal), is both inspirational (wow, all these people did goofy and dopey! that's incredible!) and incredibly deflating (all i did was a half, and it broke me). but yeah, seeing all the poeple who did dopey has me thinking, damnit, i should be doing that.

we'll see...



My best guess is that most of the Goofy and Dopey finishers don't have superlative race times - they're just in it for the bling.

As always, I'd kill for your times. Even the times you complain about.

Well done mm, and thanks for the detailed recap!

Fman99
Jan 14 2015 08:35 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Yes, agreed! Great recap, of which I always do enjoy.

The logistics and the waiting around and the cost all make me want to not run any races at Disney. If you can incorporate it into a family vacation, that's great and all, but the ratio of bullshit to running seems a bit too lopsided to me from my point of view.

Having said that, I'll link to my recap here of last year's Wineglass. OE: After checking I did not say all that much about the course. The short of it is, yeah, it's pretty, and a gradual downhill so it's a fast course (my PR of the five full marathons I've done), although it's not the most exciting race, a lot of it is through small towns and alongside of route 17 across the Southern Tier. It is well organized and I had no complaints to speak of, but I also doubt that I would do it again unless I had gotten much much closer to a Boston qualifier and was looking to pick up more time (I am still 25 minutes too slow for that, however).

Here's another shot of the cool glass "medal" which is particularly nice.



I don't know what their criteria is but I hope to run all of the major marathons in the state at some point in the next few years, having done the Wineglass and the Empire State Marathon here in Syracuse, and signed up for the Buffalo Marathon this May. There are also the Rochester Marathon in October as well as the Mohawk-Hudson which is in the Albany area, both of which are on my radar.

And of course, NYC.

I will not be registering for the NYC Marathon Lottery this year, because it is being held on Sunday November 1st, and I'd have to leave the day prior and miss Halloween up here with my kids, and I'm not doing that. The NYC Marathon will be there in 2016 and I'll give it another go next year, health willing.

metsmarathon
Jan 15 2015 07:59 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

ya know, every time ido one of those race recaps, i think to myself, "this one's going to be a pretty short writeup. i don't have all that much to say this time"

and yet, each time, i write a 2,000 word, three page novel

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 15 2015 08:36 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

I don't have much to add but don't mind reading them, just so you know.

metsmarathon
Jan 15 2015 11:08 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

i figure. i also imagine that if i did write a quick one-liner about a race, y'all would be showing up to my door with a support group or something.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 15 2015 11:20 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

In running news I applied for NYC Marathon lottery, after losing out on the "free" lottery.

themetfairy
Jan 25 2015 11:31 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

This looks like fun!

Craft Beer Run in Newport, RI July 18th

It's actually part of a series, but at first glance the Newport one catches my attention the most.

themetfairy
Jan 30 2015 07:17 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Since tomorrow is supposed to be ridiculously cold (and probably icy to boot), this morning was my last run of January. I got in 59.7 miles, which is so much better than last January's 39.4. Last year at this time I was feeling like a caged animal; I feel so much better being able to get outside on a regular basis.

metsmarathon
Jan 30 2015 01:58 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

i'm at 23 miles for january.

a week after the half, i tried to run again, and re-tweaked the calf about a mile in. i hadn't run since, though that was partly because of the flu and other assorted ailments including snow.

i'll probably take this weekend off, too, as i've got a sinus thing going on that i don't think running in the bitterly cold will do good things for. so i'm comfortable calling the monthly total with a day to go.

the calf does feel fine, now, though. so there's that.

Fman99
Jan 30 2015 08:34 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Was going to do my weekly long run tomorrow and get 14 more miles in, but alas, windchills in the -10 F range means I shall not be running tomorrow. I will get up and hit my gym for an 8 AM spin class instead.

I finish January with 107.8 miles, all but 11 of which were run outdoors (the rest were done on the track at my gym). Having better reflecting and lighting gear that I got for Xmas has made me more comfortable running outdoors on weeknights, and now that we're in late January I can get a good 4 miles or so in before sunset (I get out of work at 4 PM).

I expect that number to be higher in February as my weekend long runs are in the 14-16 mile range (and will include this coming weekend to boot as I will do my 14 miler on Sunday instead of Saturday).

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Feb 01 2015 07:14 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

You may have seen that big warehouse fire in Williamsburg on the news. That's just shy of Mile 1 on whatever route I run; I had forgotten all about it today until I turned the corner and nearly choked to death on the smoke. Like a carton of Camels at once, only not as smooth. No avoiding it on the way back either. Kawff

Fman99
Feb 01 2015 08:56 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

That's tough. I have trouble in my neighborhood when running by the homes with wood burning fireplaces.

I ran my first race of 2015 today, the "Super Couch Potato 5k" which I have done three of the last four years (I missed it due to illness in 2013). I ran a 22:24, good enough for 45th overall out of 421 finishers and 7th of 21 in my age group. Not quite as good as the 22:08/1st in age from 2014, but it's all good.

I had prefaced it with an 11 mile run at an easy-ish 8:30 pace, so I was happy given the miles I had already logged.

TransMonk
Feb 02 2015 11:37 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

20 measly miles in January, though those miles were ran around moving to a new house and finding a new route.

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 03 2015 11:12 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Too much jogging 'as bad as no exercise at all'

excerpt:

Too much jogging may be as bad for you as not putting on your running shoes at all, a report in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology says.

Scientists studied more than 1,000 healthy joggers and non-joggers over a 12-year period.

Those who jogged at a steady pace for less than two and a half hours a week were least likely to die in this time.

But those who ran more than four hours a week or did no exercise had the highest death rates.

'Upper limit'

Analysing questionnaires filled out by all the people in the Danish study, scientists concluded the ideal pace was about 5mph (8km/h) and that it was best to jog no more than three times a week or for 2.5 hours in total....


http://www.bbc.com/news/health-31095384

metsmarathon
Feb 03 2015 12:21 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

jogging = bad. duh. lets talk about running instead!

but seriously, something about this doesn't seem remotely right.

now, i defninitely won't argue that there is surely an upper limit to how much running is good for you, and how much hard running is good for you, and when it starts to turn bad, but i don't think the tipping point is anywhere near 12 miles/week at 12 min/mile.

perhaps more avid runners are more accident prone; that running is an offshoot of not being well-coordinated enough to excel at other sports, and that that lack of coordination makes us more liekly to off ourselves in inglorious fashion. or that extremely avid runners are prone to extremes of other manners of excesses, and those extremes are the proximal cause of death moreso than the indicative running extremism. like maybe that people who run too much get bored with running on roads, and eventually take to running up mountains and get eaten by bears at greater rates than more moderate runners. and those extremists are skewing the data for the whole population.

or, maybe just danes are ill-suited to distance running.

metsmarathon
Feb 03 2015 12:23 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

also...


[url]http://news.health.com/2015/02/02/when-it-comes-to-jogging-easy-does-it-study-suggests/

However, a U.S.-based researcher said the debate about the optimal dose of running for longevity is far from resolved.

The new study has limitations, said D.C. (Duck-chul) Lee, an assistant professor of kinesiology at Iowa State University, who co-authored an editorial accompanying the study.

In Lee’s own study of 55,000 adults, including more than 13,000 runners, he found a lower risk of death over the follow-up period in joggers with the highest running time and frequency — nearly three hours a week and at least six times a week — compared with non-runners. It was published in 2014, also in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology.

Fman99
Feb 03 2015 07:42 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

metsmarathon wrote:
jogging = bad. duh. lets talk about running instead!

but seriously, something about this doesn't seem remotely right.

now, i defninitely won't argue that there is surely an upper limit to how much running is good for you, and how much hard running is good for you, and when it starts to turn bad, but i don't think the tipping point is anywhere near 12 miles/week at 12 min/mile.

perhaps more avid runners are more accident prone; that running is an offshoot of not being well-coordinated enough to excel at other sports, and that that lack of coordination makes us more liekly to off ourselves in inglorious fashion. or that extremely avid runners are prone to extremes of other manners of excesses, and those extremes are the proximal cause of death moreso than the indicative running extremism. like maybe that people who run too much get bored with running on roads, and eventually take to running up mountains and get eaten by bears at greater rates than more moderate runners. and those extremists are skewing the data for the whole population.

or, maybe just danes are ill-suited to distance running.


Yeah, I don't use "the J word" either.

Having said that, I've settled into a weekly routine that works for me -- three weeknight runs, after work, generally in the 30-40 minute range. I will stretch these out to upwards of an hour one the weather gets more pleasant. Then, topped off with a long run each weekend, of any distance between 6-7 miles upwards of 26.2, depending on a number of factors. On my non running days I will take a spin class (1-2 times per week) or take a rest day (usually either the day before and/or after the long weekend run).

I tried, last January/February, to up my mileage to the 40-45 miles per week range and sustain it, but I could feel the wear and tear, and I started to enjoy it less, and that was that. Listen to your body!

Maybe those runners most likely to die are getting hit by cars because they're out there running all the time. Not as safe as the couch, I reckon.

themetfairy
Feb 04 2015 02:49 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

I also find this study hard to believe. I can believe that overtaxing yourself isn't great, but it still has to be better than being a couch potato. Plus how do those who do not exercise at all control their weight?

And yes - listening to one's body is important. The reason I didn't race past 5K last year was that I knew that I needed a break from the longer distances. Your mileage may vary, but you need to do what is right for your own individual needs.

metsmarathon
Feb 04 2015 12:51 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

[url]http://www.runnersworld.com/health/the-supposed-dangers-of-running-too-much


The simplest and most objective way to make this point is simply to show the raw data. Here are the number of participants in each group, along with the number who died (of any cause) during the follow-up period:

QUANTITY OF JOGGING
•Sedentary: 413 / 128
•< 1 hour/week: 640 / 20
•1-2.4 hours: 286 / 4
•2.5-4 hours: 122 / 3
•> 4 hours: 50 / 1

FREQUENCY OF JOGGING
•Sedentary: 413 / 128
•< 1 time/week: 323 / 5
•2-3 times: 474 / 7
•>3 times: 84 / 5

JOGGING PACE
•Sedentary: 413 / 128
•Slow: 178 / 7
•Average: 704 / 15
•Fast: 201 / 6


i think it's clear that sedentary is much much worse for you (31% chance of dying) whereas the worst any grouping of joggers did was 6% in hte >3 times jogging per week.

i don't know how the conclusion could possibly come from this data that even combining the worst cases of each of these data sets (running more than three times a week, fast, but for less than an hour total) would put you in as bad a shape, mortality-wise, as the sedentary group.

Fman99
Feb 22 2015 08:11 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Half marathon #28 overall, and the first of 2015, in the books. The fourth annual "Lake Effect Half Marathon," two passes out and back of a 3.3-ish mile course along Onondaga Lake in Syracuse. My run club that I run with on Saturdays put this event on each year so I knew many of the runners and volunteers.

This year I ran it in 1:46:53, good enough for 79th out of 555 finishers and 8th of 25 in my age group. Slower than the 1:43 I ran each of the last two years, though this year's course was much more laden with snow due to the recent weather. Though, given the extreme cold weather and snow totals we've had this month, we had near-ideal conditions (well, near ideal for February in Syracuse) today, temps in the mid-20's, no wind and no snow during the race.

My friend Brandi got a good action pic of me shooting past her near the finish.



Marathon #6 is now nine weeks away.

themetfairy
Feb 22 2015 08:15 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Awesome, and best of luck with the next 26.2!

themetfairy
Feb 27 2015 03:53 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

$10 races in Riverside Park. I did one last summer - it's a nice, relaxed kind of race (and I won a glass for coming in third in my age group!). Let me know if anyone is interested in running one of these with me.

NYCRUNS Riverside Park Series

Fman99
Feb 27 2015 06:34 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Those look super fun. I would love to try and shoehorn one into my schedule this year. Will have to look into the logistics of that.

themetfairy
Feb 27 2015 08:55 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Awesome - let me know when!

themetfairy
Feb 28 2015 08:21 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

52.5 miles for the month of February. Considering how freakin' cold it has been this month, I am very happy with that.

Last year at this time my mileage was down due to all of the snow, and I was feeling like a caged animal. This year I made a concerted effort to run outside more frequently, even if only for two mile runs. My numbers are up from last year's, and I am feeling much, much better than I did a year ago.

Fman99
Feb 28 2015 07:53 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

I have made the same effort, after racking up 140-160 miles each month last winter, but 80% of it on my gym track, I've been doing almost all of my running outdoors this year. Over the first two months I've run on my track just twice -- once on a day where I had a long run on tap and it was cold and I split it into half indoors/half outdoors, and the other time on a day where I wanted to also take a spin class and just ran at my gym so I could go right from the track to the spin room.

Marathon is eight weeks out, today I got in my long run of 16 miles at an 8:41 pace. It was brisk -- just five degrees at the start, though not windy. My feet were partially numb for probably the first 3-4 miles before they warmed up. Aside from that, we layer up appropriately and deal with the conditions -- gloves, hats, compression layers, hand warmers, the whole bit.

Most of our group came out at 8:30 and ran 5-6 miles, there were only a small subset of about ten of us that came out early to run longer distance. Here's a group shot of us before the larger group run. I can be seen just right of center, in the front, wearing a grey hoodie with a black Under Armour logo on it.



That capped February as I ran 115 miles in the month, up slightly from 112 in January. Feeling good.

Rockin' Doc
Feb 28 2015 09:15 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Sad to say, but I haven't run at all (or lifted weights) since my gym closed on December 23rd. Luckily, I have only gained 4 pounds since the start of 2015. I just feel soft.

I plan to join a gym this week and get back to working out.

TransMonk
Mar 01 2015 09:37 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

25 miles in February. Way too cold...I hate February.

I'm very glad March is here.

themetfairy
Mar 01 2015 10:41 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Rockin' Doc wrote:

I plan to join a gym this week and get back to working out.


This is a good week to join a gym. The New Years resolution folks are long gone, so you won't have to deal with horrible crowds. Good luck!

metsmarathon
Mar 01 2015 12:30 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

10. sigh.

themetfairy
Mar 05 2015 06:23 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Is anyone interested in this CPF Race on April 12th?

Fman99
Mar 05 2015 06:36 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Sorry that conflicts with the Skunk Cabbage Half Marathon in Ithaca. It will be my 30th half marathon.

metsmarathon
Mar 11 2015 11:22 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

holy crap it feels good to run outside!

themetfairy
Mar 26 2015 07:13 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

I just signed up to race in Cuba this November.

I've always wanted to visit Cuba, and to be able to run there is going to be incredible!

Fman99
Mar 27 2015 10:59 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

That's cool!

I ran my 29th half marathon this past weekend, finishing in 1:45:02, good for 354th out of 2773 runners and 30th out of 134 in my age group. I ran it at a comfortable pace and with a friend of mine who had a 1:52 PR and was looking to improve it. I paced her, and could have shaved a minute or two off of my finish time but was having fun running with my friend.

For once, the race photos of me were not abominable.



This weekend will be my last long (20 mile) training run before the spring marathons, even though I am 4 weeks out, I am tapering early, as my 3-weeks out weekend coincides with our family vacation in Florida (and I am not ready to run 20 miles in the heat).

themetfairy
Mar 27 2015 11:09 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

A long taper isn't the worst thing in the world; you're used to the distance at this point, and giving your legs a little extra rest will probably help you with your marathon.

Best of luck!

Fman99
Mar 27 2015 06:43 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Yeah, I am not worried about it, I did my long run 4 weeks out when I did my very first marathon and it was one of my fastest.

Also I think I just found a 10k to run while on vacation, score for me!

themetfairy
Mar 27 2015 08:47 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Nice!

themetfairy
Mar 31 2015 07:24 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

I finished March with 69.8 miles.

It feels really good being out there so much once again.

TransMonk
Mar 31 2015 07:44 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Better weather and a stronger commitment got me to 70 miles ran in March.

I believe that's the most I've ran in a month in over three years.

metsmarathon
Mar 31 2015 12:34 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

i marched off about 36 miles this month, though i thought it would've been higher. winter-fatigue has set in. if it's close to freezing, lately, i just don't really feel like bothering some days. oh, it's actually snowing right now. i didn't run today but the snow had nothing to do with it - tuesday is volleyball day. but it's still a good 3.6x more than i ran in february, so i'm trending in the right direction!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Mar 31 2015 01:49 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

I did 51 miles.

I'm in that bad place where I'm not running regularly because I've gotten fat and lazy, and vice versa. The weather and work/life schedule has not helped.

When I do go I'm having some patellar soreness but in general that's an improvement over the foot issues that (knock wood) are mostly under control. Need a new pair of shoes for the spring.

Fman99
Mar 31 2015 07:33 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Steady Eddie here, followed my 112 mile January and 115 mile February with a 116 mile March, topped with a 20 miler this past Sunday and an easy 5k tonight after work. Miles are bound to be down in April as I taper before the Gettysburg Marathon on the 26th.

themetfairy
Apr 09 2015 03:49 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

I will represent the CPF at its titular race on Sunday.

Fman99
Apr 10 2015 05:33 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Good luck! I am running the Skunk Cabbage Half Marathon this weekend in Ithaca, a beautiful 13.1 through rolling hills of upstate NY. I have done this race twice before, in 2012 (1:48) and 2014 (1:42). It's my last 13.1 tune up before the Gettysburg Marathon. It's also my 30th half marathon race.

themetfairy
Apr 10 2015 06:08 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

That's awesome Fman - best of luck!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 10 2015 09:28 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Getting new kicks today, almost certainly another GT2000 pair unless one of you convinces me to upgrade to the Kayano.

themetfairy
Apr 12 2015 08:24 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

The City Parks Foundation Run for the Parks (or, the CPF run!) was a lot of fun. The weather was beautiful, and I ran the four miles in 45:21 (painfully slow for most of you, but I was happy with the time). It was my first Central Park run in close to two years, and I was happy that the hills didn't kick my ass the way I feared they would.

Here I am hanging with some Mets fan friends after the race. Recognize the shirt mm?

Fman99
Apr 12 2015 08:32 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Very nice!

I ran a 1:44:05 half this morning, trying to maintain an even pace and soaking up tons of sunshine and pleasant weather. Even including a beer stop at mile 9. Not quite the 1:42:02 I ran a year ago, but, also, I took it easier as last year this race was a good 7-8 weeks before my marathon, not two.

Action shot (I am in neon green at left of photo). The gangly dude waving, to me left, is a buddy of mine and is also running the Gettysburg Marathon in two weeks.

themetfairy
Apr 24 2015 11:01 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Tomorrow morning I'll be running the Columbia University Road Runners 5K for Charity. The race will take place in Riverside Park. If you've seen the news this week, there have been reports of a coyote in Riverside Park.

So tomorrow morning I'll be a road runner trying to stay away from the coyote....

Fman99
Apr 27 2015 08:27 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Mararthon #6 in the books! I ran the Gettysburg Marathon in 3:48:43, good enough to finish 82nd out of 336 finishers and 19th of 53 in age. It was a hilly course, but beautiful and scenic and the weather was perfect.

themetfairy
Apr 27 2015 08:29 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Great work!

Let me know whether you and your son are up for a 5K in this neck of the woods this year :)

metsmarathon
Apr 29 2015 02:40 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

on sunday, mrs.mm ran the st. luke's half marathon in allentown pa.

originally, the plan was for me and the boys and her parents to cheer her on from one of hte spectating areas, to which buses were available from our hotel. well, minimm decided that instead of waking up early and doing that, he would rather spend the morning hanging with his brothers and grandparents, which freed me up for spectator duty!

so i figured i'd run from the hotel to about the 3-mile spot on the course, cheer her on again as she passed the same spot at about 6.5 mile, race her to the 9 mile then back to the 11.5 mile (same spot as before), and then again race her to the finish, via a shortcut or two, and get in about a 7-mile run on a weekend where i wouldn't otherwise have a chance to run.

i leave the hotel at about the time she's starting, and have a nice mile and a half run to my first spot. i get where i want to, and slowly round into my race-cheering form as i walk slowly along the course, finding a good spot for seeing her, and being seen by her, and also for staying out of hte way of the race photographer. my initially tepid applause and leukwarm cheering gradually grow into a loud, percussive CLAP CLAP CLAP, intermittently accompanied by a booming "good job RUNNERS! way to go RUNNERS!" eventually we see each other, exchange pleasantries and high fives, i snap some photos with the nikon (yes, i am quite literally running around with a DSLR and a 55-200 lens, why do you ask?), and off she goes on her merry way.

as i wait for her to come back, i explore a small section of allentown's wonderful park facilities, including a rather picturesque abandoned rail bridge, and then return to my rightful place alongside hte race course. i cheer again as she passes, and then take off for the 9 mile mark, where the runners come through an actual wooden covered bridge. red, naturally. to get there, i run alongside the return path of the race course, on the other side of the river (creek?) from mrs.mm. I'm swimming upstream as it were, but off hte course. there was generally a wide grassy swath next to the path of hte race course, and i stayed on the grass to keep out of hte way and not interrupt the runners. there was one part where the grass gave way, forcing me onto the trail, but it was wide, and i stuck to the edge with a dropoff and lots of branches, and walked or generally stood still and leaned into the shrubbery so as not to interfere with anybody's right of way. the runners were mostly single file there, and i would've thrown myself into the bushes to keep out of their way.

I got to the 9 mile before her, and on my way, some runners had already noticed, hey, i've seen that guy cheering us on three times already!

after seeing her there, i raced again on the grassy parts of the park, across the river from her path, back to where i'd seen her hte first two times, approximately the 11.5 mile mark this time around. again, i'm swimming upstream, but i'm in the grass off the trail, and the stream of people is rapidly becoming a trickle. i give a good job and a way to go to as many as i can.

after cheering her on for the fourth time (fifth if you count the one time i shouted across hte stream as i ran by), i figure i can beat her to the finish, but it'll mean me running in the same direction as the race course along the same road as the race course. this is something i would not have done ahd the road not been wide, the runners all to one side, and a wide grassy berm available on the side opposite the runners upon which i could stay. i would also be running relatively fast, and up a hill, so i wanted to keep as much separation between me and the runners as possible - i didn't want it to seem like i was showing up anyone out there. at this point, of course, these people have seen me out there four times already, with my camera, so i'm sure they all had understood my good intentions.

at the top of hte hill, teh road narrows and i decide to walk a bit instead of running with the racers. one guy in particular, wearing a pirates hat and a yellow shirt, notices me from teh many times before, tells me i'm doing a great job of cheering encouraging him and others around him, and i thank him. he asks if i'm part of the race in some official cheering function, and i tell him that i'm actually just out there supporting my wife. he laughs and says he's happy to have been running near her. i tell him i'll see him at the finish, and i honestly meant it. i run ahead when the roadsides allow it, and wait for mrs. mm after the lsat water stop, at about 12.5ish. thanks to a shortcut, i could be at the finish in less than a quarter mile.

i start to take off, looking at my phone for the right corss-street to take. and then it dawns on me. i'd had my drivers license in the same pocket; i should make sure onece again that it was still in there. OH FUCK. FUCK FUCK FUCK WHERE THE FUCK IS IT? hotel room key, yes, drivers license FUCKING NO. okay, backtrack. i had my phone out most of hte last half mile, so jog back and look on the ground where i was running for anything flat and rectangular - maybe it'd just popped out of my pocket while i was running. nope nope nope not there. shit i hope its along the road, i really don't want to un all the way to the bridge i know i had it at the covered bridge shit i'm gonna miss mrs.mm damnit i really wanted to cheer that guy on at the finish that would've been so cool i feel like i'm leting them all down and manybe my wallet would still be thre, but FUCK NO i've gotta go look for the damned thing WHAT THE FUCK am i gonna do if i can't find it how far back could it be why didn't i wear shorts with two pockets okay, it can't be all the way at the covered bridge i checked on it then and i don't think i took my phone out between there and the 11ish so maybe its there i hope but sheesh there were a bunch of race officials there what if one of them or the police saw it and picked it up would i ever even know? so i'm running back a mile or so, half panicking, looking at hte ground and looking at any race personnel in the hopes that one of them would have found it and would say, "hey, you, you look like you're missing something, are you the guy on this drivers license i just picked up like a minute ago, you are, cool, have a nice day!" but no luck.

finally i get to where i was at 11.5 where i know i took my phone out of my pocket and as far back as i think makes sense to look.

and thre it is.

face down.

on the road.

waiting for me.

as i pick it up and confirm it's mine, some dude on a bike rides by and, putting the scene all together in his mind, offers "that was a lucky find" and he's right. holy fuck was that a lucky find.

i run back along the race course to the finish, again staying off hte course, till cheering on as many as i can, frequently palming my right rear pocket, the only pocket on my shorts, to confirm that my license is staying there. and it did. i'm somewhat emotionally spent, and not running as fast as before, and i'm hoping to get to the finish area and not find that mrs.mm had hopped a bus back to the hotel already. she'd had her phone with her and i'd already relayed to her hte status of my drivers license as both lost and subsequently found. she ran a good race in her return to long distances following the twins. i put in 9 miles, 1 of them frantic, the other post-frantic, and estimate my overall running pace, inclusive of walking and what not, but not counting hte standing around bits, to be around 9 minutes per mile, and a heck of a fartlek workout.

whew!

i gotta start running in these races instead of cheering for them - it's just too exhausting!

Fman99
Apr 29 2015 07:41 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Wow you're spectating recap is many lines more than my marathon sum up! I am no wordsmith on this.

I once, in college, carelessly tossed an empty cigarette pack on the ground on my way home from a night spent drinking, inadvertently also throwing out a crisp $20 bill folded into the cellophane. Realized it the next morning and retraced my steps and found the empty box, money still intact.

metsmarathon
Apr 30 2015 07:34 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

stop running good, consistent, evenly paced and well-trained-for marathons, and you'll have more drama in your recaps!

to be fair, my recap wouldn't've warranted more than about 5 lines if not for the lost drivers license bit.

ok, i'm sure i could have embellished it to 10. alright, 20...

TransMonk
Apr 30 2015 07:36 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

35 miles in April...150 total in 2015.

themetfairy
Apr 30 2015 08:18 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

86.3 miles in April, bringing me to 268.3 for the year so far.

I strongly suspect that my monthly mileage is going to go down a bit once the hot and humid summer weather gets here (if it gets here - Queen Elsa really is a malevolent bitch!). But I felt good this month, so I ran a bit more than I normally would.

Fman99
Apr 30 2015 07:56 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Down a bit from previous months, as I expected, due to tapering before my marathon. Finished April with 97 miles and that puts me at 440.2 miles for the year thus far. I suspect May will be a similar total, as I will spend much of it tapering again before the Buffalo Marathon on Memorial Day weekend.

Rockin' Doc
May 01 2015 08:06 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Joined a gym. Worked out and ran today for the first time since December 20th. Pretty sore from lifting and expect to be much worse tomorrow. It will take a while for my body to get accustomed to working out again. Took it very easy on the treadmill after lifting. Ran a 30:12 for 5K and ended up doing 4.73 miles in 45 minutes. Not great, but not too bad for the first effort after over 4 months of being a total couch potato.

I need to drop 5-6 pounds to get back where I was at Christmas. Hopefully, I can drop those pounds by the end of the month.

metsmarathon
May 04 2015 07:41 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

40 miles in april. had to skip a number of midweek runs thanks to work, and fitting in longer runs on teh weekend was tough also. friggin' scheduling!

themetfairy
May 10 2015 06:32 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

I made it to the Black level on Nike+ this morning!

metsmarathon
May 10 2015 07:59 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

metsmarathon wrote:
but yeah, seeing all the poeple who did dopey has me thinking, damnit, i should be doing that.

we'll see...


so, um, yeah. guess what i've signed up for...

themetfairy
May 10 2015 08:04 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

LOL - Best of luck!

In January I'm doing the Bermuda Triangle - one mile on Friday, 10K on Saturday and a half marathon on Sunday. Nowhere near your Dopey, but it'll test me, for sure.

themetfairy
May 15 2015 01:04 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Three races in two days?



No worries - I've got it covered!

themetfairy
May 16 2015 09:32 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

So look who won her age group this morning!



And this was a legitimate win - there were seven women in my age group :)

Fman99
May 16 2015 07:23 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

That is awesome!

themetfairy
May 16 2015 08:50 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Thanks Fman :)

Run #2 didn't go according to plan. I got halfway through the nighttime color run before they took us off the course due to lightning. In some ways it was a blessing in disguise - the color parts were well lit, but the course itself wasn't and running on uneven terrain in the dark was a bit daunting. Plus it's not like I'm not getting my mileage in this weekend. But lesson learned; I don't think I'll be signing up for more nighttime races as a rule.



Now I just have the Hair of the Dog 5K tomorrow morning. Which is followed by a wine tasting. And my friend is giving me a ride, so I can actually enjoy the wine - yay!

themetfairy
May 17 2015 01:29 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

I can't find my camera after this morning's 5K, but the third race of the weekend was definitely a success!



Despite the heat and humidity this morning and being freaked out because I forgot to wear my Nike+ GPS watch, my chip time of 34:17.78 was within two seconds of yesterday morning's race, which makes me very happy. However, with over 1,100 Hair of the Dog 5K finishers, I was nowhere near the top of my age group. But hanging out with friends over wine after the race was as good as yesterday's age group win.

metsmarathon
May 18 2015 06:41 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

nice work!

themetfairy
May 18 2015 07:02 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Thanks mm :)

Fman99
May 25 2015 08:23 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Well, sometimes it all goes the way you'd hope, and then other times, not so much.

I've had this idea, since last fall, that I'd try and do marathons in pairs -- two each spring and two each fall. This would allow me to take advantage of a training up to that level and then getting two races out of it. And it worked fairly well last fall, as I ran two marathons seven weeks apart, with a PR in the first (3:41) and a time I was satisfied with in Philly after that (3:49). I had to take two brief walking breaks at Philly, each lasting maybe 30 seconds, but otherwise ran at the pace i had intended.

So, for this spring, I signed up for two more races, but this time separated by just four weeks. I seemed to have bite off more than I could chew. My hope was to run the first one at a comfortable 8:45/mile-ish pace and just soak up the experience, and then try to tear it up and set a new PR four weeks later on what was supposed to be a flatter faster course.

Except it didn't work out that way.

The first part of my plan went almost exactly as I hoped. I ran a measured, steady 8:40-ish pace at Gettysburg and aside from a brief slow down at mile 25, sustained that pace and finished in 3:48. The hope was that at Buffalo, which was flatter, would be a chance for me to run low 8's and come in sometime around 3:37-39.

Two factors that I can discern.

One, maybe a four week gap was just not enough time to recuperate from the first marathon.

Or, alternately, a day that started in the low 50's and gradually got well into the 60's, combined with a lack of shade in the second half of the race, and it all added up to a pace that I could sustain for 19 miles, but not 26.2 of them.

My splits really tell the tale. Miles 18-19 were uphill, into a park, with no shade of note. By then I was cooked. I took nine walking breaks over the last seven miles, and my 3:38 target pace slipped and slipped, and I was happy to come in at 3:54:40, a good 90 seconds slower than my previous slowest marathon. I was satisfied, but not happy, with the results.

Splits Time
1 8:28.7
2 8:03.3
3 8:08.6
4 8:07.6
5 8:08.0
6 8:09.0
7 8:09.1
8 8:09.0
9 8:08.3
10 8:09.9
11 8:15.8
12 8:13.6
13 8:06.3
14 8:08.0
15 8:18.7
16 8:13.2
17 8:11.7
18 8:27.4
19 8:41.2
20 10:03
21 9:38.3
22 10:42
23 13:11
24 10:57
25 10:54
26 9:44.2
27 3:29.3

So did I bonk because they were too close together or because it got too hot and I ran the first 17 miles too quick? Or did I not train hard enough?

Right now I am thinking that I will skip the two fall marathons and just run the Marine Corps Marathon in October, and that's it. I may rethink this plan but I'd rather just run two per year that I didn't have to walk through, as opposed to four marathons in which half of them I had to struggle to continue a running pace.

themetfairy
May 25 2015 08:50 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

I don't think that your "poor" showing (that I would gladly kill for, btw) was from a lack of training. My guess is that you just didn't have enough recovery time between the two races (and the heat didn't help, for sure).

Train for the MCM in the fall and then re-evaluate how you're feeling. But my gut is that two marathons a year roughly six months apart is probably the proper spacing to get you that PR you're seeking.

metsmarathon
May 25 2015 10:40 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

4 weeks apart is probably too close. still, just a hair slower than my fastest.

metsmarathon
May 25 2015 10:43 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

after my marathons, i'm generally so cooked that the idea of getting back out there in a month seems really far-fetched. though i'm built a little bit differently. and, may not train as well either...

Fman99
May 26 2015 08:29 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Thanks for the feedback, guys. It's not really even a regular PR boost that I seek, as much as the ability to run as many marathons per year as possible at a pace I am satisfied with. If that's two, instead of four, per year, than so be it. But I wonder if maybe a bigger split between the two, say, 6-8 weeks apart each season, might work better than the four week split I attempted this past spring. I'd rather be able to do four per year just because there are so many interesting marathons out there that I'd like to try.

metsmarathon
May 26 2015 01:55 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

in '08 i ran the hamptons marathon in late september, 4:05, and 5 weeks later, ran 4:12 in new york, bonking furiously.

i think the greatest danger of running the marathons so close together is that, in the second marathon, you've mostly recovered from the first, your legs are moving freely and you're feeling limber again, and at the start it feels so good, and so easy, and you go too fast and your body just doesn't have the energy reserves to back it all up.

the only way to do it successfully i think is to treat the first marathon as the training run, an extra-long long run, and then go for the PR in the second race. i think. or go for the PR in the first, and anticipate and embrace the bonk in the second.

6 weeks feels like a theoretical minimum, unless you transform into a superhuman. which isn't yet out of the question here. and 8 weeks the more pracitcal answer if you're looking to do well in both.

Fman99
May 27 2015 09:02 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

metsmarathon wrote:
i think the greatest danger of running the marathons so close together is that, in the second marathon, you've mostly recovered from the first, your legs are moving freely and you're feeling limber again, and at the start it feels so good, and so easy, and you go too fast and your body just doesn't have the energy reserves to back it all up.


I think that is almost precisely what happened. It took me 3 1/2 weeks of the four weeks between races to feel any semblance of "bounce" in my regular runs. And I felt good enough at the start, but I think on some level, I suspected that the heat would get me. The big surprise was that it happened so early, I was taking walking breaks at mile 19, the earliest in any marathon I've done.

With a seven week break, last fall, I didn't need a walk break until probably 24 miles in.

The MCM being the last weekend of October, right in the middle of the fall marathon season, doesn't easily allow for a second fall race that's 6-8 weeks out from MCM. I don't want to train for an early September full, and there are not a ton of December choices in the Northeast (there's Rehoboth in Delaware, the first weekend of December, but it's a Saturday and a long 6+ hour drive for me). So I think it'll just be the MCM for the fall and a rethink for what I do next spring.

TransMonk
May 31 2015 09:11 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

30 miles again in May. 180 miles so far for the year.

Still looking to step it up...which is what I said last month. :(

themetfairy
May 31 2015 10:23 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

60.8 miles on the Nike+ watch, plus another 10.5 (give or take) between the untimed Color Run that was cut short and the jogging track on a cruise ship this week for a grand total of about 71 miles.

Fman99
May 31 2015 07:54 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Followed a 97 mile April with a 95 mile May, putting me at 535 miles for 2015 to date. The training for the Marine Corps marathon doesn't really ramp up until July, a month where i am already signed up for a half marathon trail run, a 15k and a ten miler on July 4th, so June will be a lighter month for me mileage wise, most likely.

metsmarathon
May 31 2015 09:49 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

65 miles. in june i start training for a half, which dovetails into my training for dopey. so the mileage should start to ramp up soon....

Rockin' Doc
Jun 01 2015 06:14 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

First month back in the gym after a little over 4 months of being a lazy, couch potato. I started out pretty slow and have worked throught the soreness from lifting and have worked my way back to a decent pace on the treadmill. My left knee is still balking even after the long layoff, but I managed to get in 64 miles in May.

metsmarathon
Jun 04 2015 08:48 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

i celebrated national running day yesterday by opening my front door and picking up the box which contained these appropriately named running shoes:



i'm a little bit skeptical of skechers as a serious running shoe, but i figure if htey work for meb, how bad could htey be? right? but they're cushioned, light, and support a midfoot strike. so i figure, why not.

for a while i had been going with a two-shoe rotation of the asics gt 1000 and saucony kinvarra. i'm actually on my third go-around with that same rotation, but when it came time to order up some new kinvarras, i decided to also get the skechers and see how they work for me. the asics are good for long runs, as they have the most support and are fairly cushy. the kinvarras are becming my favorite shoe as the newest iteration has more cushion than in hte past, but still are light as ever and feel so damned fast. they're great for tempo runs and speedwork, and especially for races. but they're a little narrow in the toe box, and get slick when the roads are wet. at least the prior iterations were very slippery when wet; the newest might've improved on that a bit, but i don't think they've solved the problem altogether. i figure i can mix in the go runs for regular running, and go from there.

i'm hoping that with the rotation, i should be able to approach 400 miles for each of these shoes, instead of my usual 300 miles. the two-shoe rotation did seem to get me nearly 350 on my last pair of kinvarras, which still feel like they've got some life left in them, though the uppers are starting to come apart a bit.

Fman99
Jun 05 2015 04:19 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

I've had the idea multiple times of getting a 2nd brand/model shoe, but then again, I've been blessed with good health and don't see it as an urgent need. I'm wearing the Mizuno Wave Rider 18s and my current pair has 434 miles on them including two marathons (Strava tracks the miles on each pair of shoe, it's a cool feature). I have the next pair ready to go but these are holding out all right so far.

themetfairy
Jun 14 2015 05:22 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

On the one hand, I ran the New York Mini 10K yesterday. It wasn't nearly as hot or sticky a day as I had feared, and I had a really good time running what had been the world's first women's only race; the history always gives me goosebumps.



On the other hand, I learned that Nike no longer makes the Nike+ GPS watch, so my current watch that's developing connection issues is going to be my last. My initial thought is that instead of investing in the newfangled technology of the Nike Fuel band I'll simply run without tracking my mileage. I think I'm ready to go back to running for the sake of running without worrying about my time and pace. The only downside is that I won't be able to tell you guys my monthly mileage anymore, but I figure that's not a big deal. You all know that I'm old, slow and white ;) So in some ways this may be a blessing in disguise - I'll probably have a better time running my known routes without worrying about the pace anymore.

metsmarathon
Jun 15 2015 07:37 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

you could always just track them afterwards using some mapping/logging website, like mapmyrun or dailymile. even though i run with my phone for pacing and timing and occasional photography, i still only consider my gps distance and pace unofficial until i log it into (currently) dailymile.

themetfairy
Jun 15 2015 07:51 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

I know, but I like the idea of going back to running without worrying about numbers, at least for a little while. I need to obsess a little less and enjoy a little more.

Like yesterday I met one of my neighbors while running, and slowed down to run and chat at his pace for a few minutes. I was able to do that without worrying that I was hurting my pace.

metsmarathon
Jun 16 2015 08:48 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

fair point, though i was (with a decided lack of clarity) referring more to being able to track mileage on the website thingies, not necessarily time and pace. i was thoroughly unclear about that - sorry.

so, to recap.... website mapping for distances or route planning. timing optional.

best of both worlds - you know how far you've run (for monthly reporting and/or gear tracking), and don't need to know how fast it was. and you can even log how the run felt if you so desire.

themetfairy
Jun 16 2015 09:22 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

By this point I have a good sense of how far my local routes are. I figure that I'll use the watch if I need to carve out a specific training route (I know 10K by heart, but 8 miles will need some guidance) or if I'm on vacation and don't know the local routes. So long as I can manage to keep the watch charged I should be able to do that for a while, even if the data won't upload.

I may change my mind in a few months, but for the moment I'm enjoying the mental break from the numbers.

TransMonk
Jul 01 2015 08:44 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

45 miles in June. I'm still not getting out as often as I'd like.

Fman99
Jul 01 2015 09:13 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Much as I expected, mileage down from my normal ~100-110 per month to just 75 in June and 610 for 2015 so far.

I have also felt fatigued for much of the last two weeks after doing a long 8 mile trail run over very rocky terrain to help a buddy train for an ultra marathon.

July promises to be a ramp up - I am already signed up for a ten miler, a 15k and a half marathon for three of the four weekends in July. That will lead into training for the Marine Corps Marathon, which will begin in earnest in August.

themetfairy
Jul 01 2015 09:59 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

I'm adjusting to running without a watch. I don't think my mileage has suffered substantially. I'm probably not pushing the speed as much as I did when I knew I'd have to upload my time, but since (at least in theory) we have the hot, sticky months ahead of us I don't mind taking things a little easy out there. It's working out for me so far.

cooby
Jul 01 2015 04:40 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

but since (at least in theory) we have the hot, sticky months ahead of us


oh god I hope so

themetfairy
Jul 01 2015 06:36 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

cooby wrote:
but since (at least in theory) we have the hot, sticky months ahead of us


oh god I hope so


I know, right?

metsmarathon
Jul 01 2015 09:49 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

70 miles for june, 249 for the year. july should come closer to 100, though not quite there.

Rockin' Doc
Jul 02 2015 08:18 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

11 workouts. 57.3 miles.

Fman99
Jul 07 2015 07:44 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

For just $100, plus $20 worth of fabric that I picked out (Mets blue and orange, you may notice), my friend turned 25 of my race shirts into this bad ass quilt. It came out great, it's quite warm.

themetfairy
Jul 07 2015 08:16 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Sweet!

Fman99
Jul 17 2015 08:54 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

For the fourth straight year, I raced the local Utica Boilermaker 15k, the nation's largest race at that distance (11,500 finishers). I ran a 1:15, a few minutes slower than last year's 1:12 under cloudier and cooler temps, but still good enough to finish 1788th overall and beat 3/4 of my age group. I basically ran 8 minute miles, which was my intent.

I also ran the entire 9.3 miles wearing a ridiculous birthday cake shaped hat, as an indulgence to Fgirl who turned 8 on that very day. This is me as I approached the finish line.



It garnered quite a bit of "nice hat" and "happy birthday" comments along the race course. As a joke, in response to some of the "nice hat" cheers, I started telling people that I had found the hat in a porta potty, mostly to amuse myself. Apparently I said this to a local newscaster, who mentioned it at the 11:30 mark of this video clip.

[url]http://mcp-media.s3.amazonaws.com/captures/D9F/843/D9F843345C1A47AEA9E6B2AA742A6A9A.mp4

I also can be seen around the 9:35 mark of that video as I approached the finish in that hat, in the bottom left corner.

Fman99
Jul 30 2015 07:06 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Finished July with 98 miles, and 708 for the year thus far. I expect to ramp up into the 110-120 range for August as the weekend long runs get longer.

Rockin' Doc
Jul 31 2015 09:19 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Just got back from the gym. Did an easy 6.5 miles today since I strained my left calf earlier in the week. Finished with a total of 74.6 miles for the month on 13 outings.

TransMonk
Jul 31 2015 09:26 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

55 miles in July. I'm at 280 on the year.

metsmarathon
Jul 31 2015 11:59 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

if i hadn't skipped a few workouts due to sick kids and otherwise scheduling difficulties, i'd've hit 100 miles easy this month. as it is, i stand at 89 for july, with today being an off day, and a much needed one at that. it's been fuckin' hot out lately, which reminds me of just how much i'd rather run in winter.

yeah, that's right. winter.

333 miles for hte year.

Fman99
Jul 31 2015 08:02 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

metsmarathon wrote:
if i hadn't skipped a few workouts due to sick kids and otherwise scheduling difficulties, i'd've hit 100 miles easy this month. as it is, i stand at 89 for july, with today being an off day, and a much needed one at that. it's been fuckin' hot out lately, which reminds me of just how much i'd rather run in winter.

yeah, that's right. winter.

333 miles for hte year.


I enjoy fall and spring the most, because they are more temperate and they serve as relief from long winters and humid summers. But, yeah, man, it's been goofy hot up here this past month. I've been sticking to shorter 30 minute runs on weeknights that end with a quick trip to the park pool for a 15 minute dip/cool down. I will be sad when the pool closes for the season, we have about three weeks left.

metsmarathon
Jul 31 2015 08:25 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

i can pretty much only run at noon, either during the week and even on the weekends. so, yeah. summer sucks.

well, for running at least.

themetfairy
Jul 31 2015 09:01 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

I'd still rather run in the heat than deal with icy conditions.

metsmarathon
Aug 03 2015 08:25 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

ice and lightning balance each other out.

in winter i can add more clothes. in summer, i cannot take off enough, and remain unarrested. and then there's the sunblock...

themetfairy
Aug 03 2015 10:20 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

And all of that winter clothing leads to extra laundry, which is also something I'm happy to avoid.

metsmarathon
Aug 03 2015 11:09 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

in summer, i have to mow the lawn after i come back from my long run.

summer can suck it.

themetfairy
Aug 08 2015 09:29 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

This was an up and down week for me.

Thursday night was the NYRR R-U-N 5K in Central Park. I had been looking forward to this race for a while, but my NJ Transit train into the City was delayed for an hour due to a track fire in Newark, so instead of grabbing a slice of pizza a couple of hours before the race and having plenty of time to digest it before running I wound up grabbing a croissant while rushing to pick up my race bib and get to the start; the long and short is that by the time the race started I was just annoyed and out of sorts. It showed in my running - I wound up taking some walking breaks, which I almost never do with that short a distance, and finished in 37:47.

Meanwhile, I found out about a very local 5K taking place this morning, and decided to sign up for it at the last minute (seriously the last minute - I left my house at 9:05 for a 9:30 race. Yes, it was VERY local!). I felt much better today and, while this isn't any great shakes as compared to most of you, I was happy to finish this one in 34:33. It was nice being able to show that Thursday was an aberration by shaving over three minutes off of that time.

Fman99
Aug 09 2015 08:41 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

That's funny, only because I also ran races on both Thursday night and Saturday morning, in my case, a half marathon on Thursday and a 4 mile race yesterday. I ran each of them about a minute slower than I did a year ago, though if I recall, we had warmer weather this year. I finished the half in 1:47 and the four miler in 32:34.

I did score this sweet handmade age group award yesterday for being 2nd of 9 in my age group. My friend Brett stepped in to be the race director on this one after we were told a year ago that the event was in danger of folding, and he and a number of my run club friends pulled together to make it happen. I brought Fboy along to do the kids' fun run and he ended up handing out medals to finishers at the finish line (the smaller of the two below is the finishers' award).

themetfairy
Aug 09 2015 08:44 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Great job and sweet bling Fman!

Fman99
Sep 01 2015 04:13 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Finished August with 95 miles and now at 802.7 for 2015. Right on target for the Marine Corps Marathon, seven weeks from Sunday.

soupcan
Sep 01 2015 07:03 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Finished August at 70.5.

My most mileage for a month this year.

I keep shooting for 100 but I get nagging little injuries or I just can't work runs into my schedule here and there.

I was on target this month then we moved my kid into college and as we were setting up his room I dropped his bed on my leg. No real damage but it cost me a week and a half of running.

On to September!

metsmarathon
Sep 01 2015 07:32 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

83 miles for august. missed a long run in there, and had to cut a long run short, plus some other miscellaneous difficulties squeezing all my runs in.

overall, i ran about 40 miles less in august than my training plan would've had me run otherwise, and did none of the speedwork.

my plan since june was to train for a half marathon - but only an imaginary half marathon. my imaginary race date was this past sunday, and i only made it 10 miles, due to various issues mostly related to proper prepraration, nutrition, and hydration. i'm still on track to beat the blerch (half marathon in morristown) at the end of september, and i'm hoping that i will be able to manage a sub-2:00 time.

as of yesterday, i'm officially training for dopey. what the hell am i thinking! i'm mostly planning to follow the 18-week hal higdon training plan, with a few modifications. the bigger challenge is that mrs.mm is also training for dopey, and we're basically going to be alternating long runs every weekend - one week, i get a long run on sunday, and the next week is hers. we'll see how it goes as we approach our 20-milers...

themetfairy
Sep 01 2015 08:44 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

The Dopey - that's impressive!

I'm 75 days away from the Havana Half Marathon and less than twenty weeks away from the Bermuda Triangle (one miler Friday night, 10K Saturday and half marathon on Sunday). I know I've said this before, but I mean it this time - after these races I'm done with half marathons for good, and with very few exceptions I'll probably be done with 10Ks as well. But I want to go out in style.

TransMonk
Sep 01 2015 08:45 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

65 miles in August and 345 for the year.

August definitely felt like my most consistent month...I'm hoping it carries through to the rest of the year.

Great job, all!

cooby
Sep 01 2015 10:37 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

soupcan wrote:
Finished August at 70.5.

My most mileage for a month this year.

I keep shooting for 100 but I get nagging little injuries or I just can't work runs into my schedule here and there.

I was on target this month then we moved my kid into college and as we were setting up his room I dropped his bed on my leg. No real damage but it cost me a week and a half of running.

On to September!



A lot of colleges provide beds for incoming freshman so you don't have to bring your own. Where on earth is he going?

soupcan
Sep 01 2015 12:16 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

cooby wrote:
soupcan wrote:
I was on target this month then we moved my kid into college and as we were setting up his room I dropped his bed on my leg. No real damage but it cost me a week and a half of running.



A lot of colleges provide beds for incoming freshman so you don't have to bring your own. Where on earth is he going?



Funny.

He's at in Bloomington, IN.

Rockin' Doc
Sep 01 2015 05:34 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

I ran 70.2 miles for the month of August. That gave me 303.8 miles for the year. I get in between 65-75 miles a month, which I'm pretty comfortable with.

Fman99
Sep 01 2015 07:59 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

The return of Soup means one more runner in the fold. The CPFRC missed you man!

Fman99
Sep 01 2015 08:09 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 02 2015 08:49 PM

I'm still racking up the races, though I don't post them all here only due to the busyness of life. And the fact that most of them are training runs for the 3-4 marathons I aspire to run each year. But I ran another half marathon this past weekend, my 34th since I started running and also my fastest one in ten months, and fourth fastest ever.

I ran a 1:42:35, a 7:48/mile pace, good enough for 34th out of 290 runners, in the fourth annual "18.12 Challenge and Half Marathon," a point to point race from Watertown to Sacketts' Harbor, NY that I have done each year. After doing the 13.1 in 2012, and the 18.12 distance the last two years, I dialed it back to the 13.1 this year as a change of pace and because my full marathon is later in the fall than it was in 2013 and 2014. I had done 15 miles the previous Sunday but wasn't quite ready to ramp up from that to 18.12 at a race pace.

So I ran the exact strategy I had hoped, which was to hang around the 8 min/mile mark for ten miles and then push the pace over the last 5k. My splits show that the plan was a good one. I felt strong right up until the end, and it seems finally to be a distance I understand and can do well in.

It's a fast course, too, net downhill with all of the climbs that they do have in the first few miles.

1 mi 7:56 -44
2 mi 8:00 8
3 mi 7:59 31
4 mi 7:55 -39
5 mi 7:58 -37
6 mi 7:55 -10
7 mi 7:48 -10
8 mi 7:55 -12
9 mi 7:51 0
10 mi 7:41 -14
11 mi 7:36 -69
12 mi 7:39 3
13 mi 7:28 -18
14 mi 6:49 -34

Half marathon #35 is on September 20th in Rochester, as a tune up/race/down week after 17 and 18 milers the next two weekends. Then two more long ones on 9/27 and 10/4 and then I start to taper.

I'd love to adopt a comparable strategy for 26.2 -- push a manageable low 8's pace for 20 miles and then ramp up -- but I've yet to be able to generate that kind of long term stamina. I'm doing about as well as I'm able for only running 23-25 miles per week, I figure. I continue to be happy with all of my marathons as long as they are sub-4's, a mark I've yet to not achieve.

metsmarathon
Sep 02 2015 06:37 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

fucking incredible.

soupcan
Sep 02 2015 06:41 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Fman99 wrote:
The return of Soup means one more runner in the fold. The CPFRC missed you man!


Thank you dude, nice to be missed!

soupcan
Sep 02 2015 06:42 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

metsmarathon wrote:
fucking incredible.


Seriously man. I remember when you just started running and now you are a fucking machine. Ama-za-zing!

Fman99
Sep 02 2015 12:16 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Thanks dudes! Folks here in the CPF have been cheering me on since my first 5k all those years ago. It's built right into my identity now. I run; it's what I do.

themetfairy
Sep 02 2015 01:01 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Fman99 wrote:
It's built right into my identity now. I run; it's what I do.



As mm would say, that's the first step

Fman99
Sep 27 2015 09:07 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Hey, mm, how was the Beat the Blerch half?

soupcan
Oct 01 2015 10:15 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Finished September with 60.5.

Again, started well and on track for my 100 after the first ten days of the month but. just. could. not. get it done.

On an odd but positive note, i manged to run an average of 20 seconds less per mile this month as opposed to last. No idea why. I did feel like I was running faster but can't tell you the reason. Only thing I can think of is the weather got cooler.

Anyway keep on keepin' on.

Fman99
Oct 01 2015 10:19 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Very nice. I logged 113 miles in September to put me at 915.5 for 2015. Right where I need to be as the Marine Corps Marathon looms in 24 days. I got in a 19 miler last week at a healthy 8:32 pace, no worse for wear, and will do 20 this weekend and then taper down.

metsmarathon
Oct 02 2015 07:22 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

yes, right. i owe a race report. but first, i must build suspense!

i logged 85 miles in september, which is pretty good since i missed about a week and a half's worth of mid-week running (20 miles) due to a confluence of issues, not the least of which was cutting my thumb pretty badly and not wanting to deal with the assoicated pain while trying to log mileage. more than august, and a little less than july. overall, not terrible. i'm at 501 for the year.

so. beat the blerch.

as i reach back into the hazy recesses of my mind, i recall the course being described as a run through some paths in a park in morristown. so i'm picturing something akin to what i ran on in cross country in college - soft, mostly gentle trails through the woods, with some roller-coastery hills; challenging, sure, but sane; and also some roads mixed in for good measure. the course wasn't determined at the point we signed up, but how bad could it be, right?

flash forward to saturday. we park at the morristown armory, line up to get into school buses to take us to lerwis morris park. the race volunteers are doing their best to get everybody parked in an orderly fashion, stacking the cars in like any bulk-parking operation would. then this one jag-off comes in, blows past the line of at least 30 cars, and makes his own spot (facing the wrong direction, and kinda diagonally parked, natch!). like, dude, there's a shit ton of people ALL GOING TO THE SAME PLACE. if they're starting without you, they're starting without us all, too. his ladyfreind gets out, but then a volunteer comes over and actually makes the guy go to the back of hte line. which.. well, he kinda does, but not really, and tries to spin his tiress when he did. ooh, he was sooo angry... lol... and for nothing too, becuae he got on the same damned line as everybody else, and if he was really running late, he should've just gone straight to the park and tried to get in by the actual start.

anyways, with that nonsense out of hte way, we got onto the bus, got to hte park, and got ready to run. as we get there we notice, hey, there's some legit hills here. fun.

so the race starts, and there's matt inman, the oatmeal himself, at the starting line wearing a bacon suit. also noteworthy, as we got ourselves into the corral, we were treated to the soothing sounds of the motherfucking pterodactyl. fucking awesome. there was a tent selling oatmeal merch, and i was instantly sadened by my failure to bring a credit card along with me to the race. but anyways, the race starts, in fairly small waves of 20-30 runners at a time, every 20-30 seconds or so. altogether not a bad idea! the crowd was goofy and in a good mood, and generally happy to be there. it was an overall odd vibe, aas any internet-centric community/cult would tend to be, though generally positive and somewhat affirmational with a good bit of millenial/hipster ironic affirmation.

so yeah, the race starts, and the going is fairly easy. nice gentle wide trailway through the woods, a sketchy, but wide, wooden bridge over a little stream, some smaller but sturdier wooden bridges over tinier streams, and some roads. then it got interesting. at 3 miles, there was a big, massive slogging hill, sandy dirt with big ol' chunks of granite, like 2-4" jagged blocks, that were clearly brought in by an off-roading club to control trail erosion. those big rocks were just begging to destroy ankles, and faces, too, if they succeeded in their primary goal of bringing a runner down. they were not there naturally, that's for damned certain. anyways, navigating a big ol hill, fairly early in the race, with a bit of a crowd, was tricky, challenging, and at times punishing. but at that point in the race, i had enough room where i could mostly find my own pace up the hills. mrs.mm, however, was not as happy with the terrain, as her smaller feet couldn't absorb the giant rocks as well as mine. but she persevered, and we stayed together. the hill kept going up and up and up, gaining 100' in 1/4 mile. and then it went down again, almost as steeply. were it not for the giant rocks placed there, the trail thus far would've been fine. but hten after about mile 4, it took a turn. instead of hte giant rocks, there were now a massive tangle of raised roots all over hte place. at about 4.5 mile in, mrs.mm finds a root, rolls her ankle, and goes down, scraping her hand, but otherwise ok. as soon as she's up, another runner just ahead of us goes down harder, and busts his glasses. shit was getting real. the big giant rocks weren't nearly as prevalent here, though there were still a few, as well as those which should've been there naturally. luckily, we avoided any other issues in that stretch, which also featured some hilliness, and finally exited onto the roads. and a big paved hill. and then another big paved hill. well, at least there weren't any roots or rocks to dodge.

at just before 6 miles, there was a couch with a blerch. we stopped for pictures.

and then there was more uphill trail running. this hill was big, but the path wasn't awful. it was wide, and lacking in giant imported rocks. at 6.5 we got onto a park road for abouth a half mile, and then finally entered the park's trail matrix after mile 7. these were the surfaces i was expecting - good for running, or mountian biking, and not used for quads or ATVs, so no more of those fucking rocks.
also a thtis point i started noticing a distinct difference between the distance my phone was telling me and the distances on the mile markers, and mrs.mm's watch. now, you know me, i don't complain about these things. but our 6th mile, the one with the couch, was our fastest. no fucking way. also, there was a difference building between the two apps i was running. eventually, as i would come up to the 13-mile mark, dailymile would report out that i'd just hit 12 miles, where mapmyrun said i was sitting at 12.5. these apps were started at the same time, and running on the same phone. actually, mmr started about 10 seconds late, and had me running farther. what the seriously fuck? aaaanyways... we're on the regular trails. and, as we then come up to mile 8, we start to notice... hmm... we're starting to pass some really slow people. also, there are some sections of the trail here where it's maybe room enough for one person to run, and one to pass, if the other will allow it. frequently, they did not. we had caught up to the back end of the 10k, which started significantly after us. the participants were walking, and they were largely quite unhappy. they were clearly not expecting to tackle technical trails, and were likely just looking to take part in a big jokey fun thing where we all get to beat our blerch and laugh about eating cake while running. no, they were cursing every step, every rock, every root, every hill. they weren't nasty, but they were miserable. and it was infectious.

to this point, mrs.mm was struggling with the trickiness of the course, and the roots were trying their hardest to take her down. now, there were rolling obstacles, and we were no longer able to run our own pace, and have room enough to see what we're about to step on or in or around. after a few too many roots, trips, and near-falls, and one exceptionally steep downhill, mrs.mm's brain finally said, "hey, you, lets not do anything stupid anymore" and her race was effectively over. her hand was hurting, her ankles sore, and she was tripping over everything, while surrounded by a slowly moving roadblock of negativity and despair, and it swallowed her whole, as she admitted afterwards. her focus was gone, and she told me to run along ahead. this was at a little before 12 miles. i was getting frustrated, too, and she knew it. and i was no longer able to pull her along and she didn't want to pull me back.

i did my best to check my aggression for the last mile, as the trail was supernarrow and there was almost literally nowhere to go. finally... finally... we came down a little hill onto an open, flat section by the finish, that would curl around the staging area and a little lake. and when it opened up, i opened up. full throttle, like a cat in a bathtub whose owner just loosened his grip! i had SO! MUCH! PENT! UP! ENERGY! also, RAGE!!! i hit the 13-mile mark, passing my fellow runners with gleeful abandonment, and also a wee bit of self-consciousness that i had saved so much in the tank, through little fault of my own. and as i pass hte 13 mile mark, daily mile happily tells me that i've run only 12 miles. um, okay, sure. as i scan ahead, i see the rest of the course, and i know for damned sure that there's more than 0.1 miles left to this thing - more like a full quarter mile left as we continued our loop around the staging area. whatever, i was almost done. and ain't nobody gonna pass me. according to mapmyrun, i ran that last quarter at about a 7:40 pace. i know, i know, i was that guy. but i did ease up at the very finish so as not to blow by anyone like a complete jerk. i finished in about 2:25. i don't think the course was a full half marathon, and might've been short by a quarter mile. i mean, i don't think that my gps was accurate in the least - correction: i KNOW that my GPS wasn't remotely accurate - but i also know that the official mile markers were also misplaced. at least for mile 6, and the last 0.1. did it all even out? dunno... but i think it was short.

unlike mrs.mm, i'm really, really looking forward to doing htis race again next year. it was a more treacherous course than the other trail half i do that's local to me, but not more challenging. i think that i can, with even just a modicum of training, knock it out in about 2 hours. alternatively, maybe if i were running as fast as i would have wanted to, i may have taken myself out on all the rocks and roots... who knows.

there's a trail 8 mile in two weeks that i'm strongly considering doing, though my training plan says i should be running 16 miles that day instead... so tempting...

so, one thing i learned during hte race... whole wheat & nutella sandwiches should be at every aid station in every race ever. fucking brilliant, and really actually quite helpful. the cake, ehhh.... not so much.

the staging area at hte race needed work. it was simply too small, and disorganized. there was no clear setup for how the portapotties were to be queued up for. as we got there, there was a big ol line that brought people to the two dozen potties. and it had built up over time. there was a nother line next to it going the other direction for oatmeal merchandise, and then gradually, the people who had gotten onto that line thinking they were on the potty line peeled off and formed a second line on the other side of the potties. then everything broke down and lines formed in front of each pair of potties like it should have in the first place, but there was just not enough room for it all. there was also not enough room from the end of the finish line to where they were giving out medals and postrun food, and it backed up into the finish chute. the other issue was that the water stops were not at all ready to go during hte race. the volunteers were still trying to fill cups as people came, despite having had a ton of time to set up - the full marathon had started an hour before the half, and was on the same course. everything should've been good to go well in advance. similarly with the sandwiches - there was one stop where the volunteer was actually trying to make up the nutella sandwiches as people were coming. no, no, that just won't work...

that said, for a first year event, they did quite well. i got a sweet blerchy headband, stickers, and tattoos. i was really REALLY hoping that a blerch stressball was going to be included in the free stuff, but i guess not. mrs.mm had thought hte same thing, so somewhere along hte way, i think that impression had been given. but no matter, the free stuff was good, and commensurate with the cost of the event. a nice medal too, and a technical long sleeve shirt.

after the race, we stopped at starbucks and five guys. it seemed rather appropriate.

TransMonk
Oct 02 2015 08:34 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

60 miles in September and 405 for the year.

I've been running really well the past couple of months...it certainly seems like very little physical effort and no aches or pains. The cooler weather is helping, too.

Fman99
Oct 02 2015 09:47 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

metsmarathon wrote:
yes, right. i owe a race report.


Great recap as always.

Rockin' Doc
Oct 02 2015 06:36 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

I only got in 5 runs during September due to my left knee actoing up again. I ran 29.5 miles which puts me at 333.35 miles for the year.

My knee is currently feeling pretty strong, so I hope to have a much better month in October.

themetfairy
Oct 11 2015 08:51 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

It has been so long since I've used my Nike+ that I forgot what a fucking pain in the ass it can be to wait to connect to the satellite signal. But I need to carve out an 8 mile training route today, so I'm sitting and waiting for it. If I don't get it soon, I'll just approximate 8 miles - I know how to get there more or less.

Two weeks until the Perfect 10 Miler, then three weeks after that until the Havana Half Marathon. Shit's getting real!

Fman99
Oct 11 2015 08:14 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

It has been so long since I've used my Nike+ that I forgot what a fucking pain in the ass it can be to wait to connect to the satellite signal. But I need to carve out an 8 mile training route today, so I'm sitting and waiting for it. If I don't get it soon, I'll just approximate 8 miles - I know how to get there more or less.

Two weeks until the Perfect 10 Miler, then three weeks after that until the Havana Half Marathon. Shit's getting real!


That's the worst! I had to run my first marathon in "stopwatch" mode because my Garmin wouldn't sync up at any point during the first few miles. Very aggravating.

I ran my first ever 18k today -- at 11.2 miles, it's a nice distance, like a half marathon that ends right around the time you'd hope it would end. I set out with the goal of running 8 minute miles, thinking that would put me at almost exactly 90 minutes. It was a tough, hilly course, the first five miles being all uphill and all into a headwind, but the rest of it was a coast back in and I was able to make up time on the last half to finish at 1:29:32, good enough for 34th overall out of 143 and 3rd in age, earning me a sweet coffee mug (the other mug was a raffle prize)!



Marine Corps Marathon is in 14 days. One last tune up race next weekend, a hilly neighborhood five miler that I do every year and enjoy.

themetfairy
Oct 11 2015 08:23 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Nice work Fman - best of luck on the MCM!

I wound up ditching the watch this morning. I added a loop to my general 10K run and ran through a court for good measure. I'm confident that I ran somewhere between 8 and 8.25 miles in about 1:45. It was a confidence builder that I'll be able to get through the Havana Half Marathon within my three hour time limit.

themetfairy
Oct 24 2015 09:29 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Best of luck tomorrow Fman - everyone I know who has done the MCM loves it!

My race tomorrow is less ambitious - the Perfect 10 Miler. Even though it's practically in my backyard, I wasn't psyched about signing up because the group that puts on this race always seems to make the logistics more complicated than they need to be. But my friend pointed out that this would be the perfect tuneup race for my half marathon in Cuba, so I'm doing it. I'll take it slow and treat it as a training run, and if I don't run into any issues with it I'll know that I'm ready for Havana.

Wish me luck!

themetfairy
Oct 25 2015 10:10 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

I finished the Perfect 10 Miler in 2:04:55. It's a confidence boost that I'll be able to handle the Havana Half Marathon within its three hour time limit.



Cuba - here I come!

El Segundo Escupidor
Oct 28 2015 06:34 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Anybody use a running light?

Recommendations?

Fman99
Oct 28 2015 06:46 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

El Segundo Escupidor wrote:
Anybody use a running light?

Recommendations?


I do! I'll have to get the brand/info on mine when I am at home tonight as I like the one I have, but don't recall the manufacturer.

Also, MCM recap on my list of things to do...

metsmarathon
Oct 28 2015 06:49 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

not here. i get spooked easily when its dark out, and think that any rustling deer nearby is a rabid raccoon, or a very hungry bear. also there's no streetlights and the residentially woodsy roads are fairly narrow. but mostly, i'm afraid of the dark and all the spooky things my imagination tells me are out there...

i do have a little brooks blinky-light thingy that i'll bust out (if i can find it) as we get deeper into winter and my long runs get closer and closer to sundown, and a black & decker LED headlight thing that i'll carry with me as a backup incase the day gets completely away from me.

themetfairy
Oct 28 2015 07:19 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

I don't use one. I just hate running at night.

I'm enough of a klutz in the daylight; I worry about tripping in the dark.

soupcan
Oct 28 2015 07:34 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

I use lights.

I have one really bright one that's like a miner's light. On an elastic band that wraps around the top of my head. It will be just a steady beam or a blinker depending on rather I need to see or if its dusk and I want to be seen.

I also have a tiny bright one that clips to the brim of a baseball hat.

Both do the trick. Sometimes I'll wear the miner's light on my head and clip the other one to my wrist just for extra visibility.

When running at night though in addition to the lights I wear LOTS of refelective shit. I'm basically a Christmas tree. Can't be too visible.

Clip-on hat light

This is similar to my head light

soupcan
Oct 28 2015 02:07 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

My friend Andy and I ran a 5K together this weekend.

I've known Andy for over 30 years (Syracuse U, frat brother). He's more of a triathlete than a runner having done Ironman in Kona twice. This was the first time I've run with him and I was a bit intimidated, I was sure that he was either going to kick my ass royally or he was going to push me so hard that I'd have a coronary at the finish.

We were next to each other as the race started I took an early lead but Iron Man quickly caught me - telling me he had stopped to tie his shoe - and then quickly passed me. I lost sight of him and then a few minutes later he was on the side of the road limping as I passed him. I asked him if he was ok and he said he was fine, that he rolled his ankle, but I should keep going.

I kept running and started thinking ‘hmmmm, is the whole ‘Iron Man Andy' legend just an elaborate ruse? Did he really have to tie his shoe or did I start too fast for him? Is he now faking an injury because he can’t keep up with me? Did he even really compete in an Iron Man??’’ As I pondered this for a few minutes, he came up on me again, hurt ankle and all. We stayed together for about the last 1/4 mile and he could have easily sped past had he wanted. I was speeding up and he was staying with me. I was panting hard and he was limping quite rapidly. We finished side by side in 25:32 (8:14) which was slow for him and only 30 seconds off my 5K pr.

So while the photo looks like were pretty even, not only did Iron Man Andy stop twice during the race and run the last mile and a half on a sprained ankle, he caught me and if he wanted could've passed me. He Da Man.

P.S. That little shit kid, sprinted right past both of us at the line and finished a second ahead of us.



John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 28 2015 02:16 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Should have tripped that lil bastard.

Fman99
Oct 28 2015 07:30 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

My friend Andy and I ran a 5K together this weekend.

I've known Andy for over 30 years (Syracuse U, frat brother). He's more of a triathlete than a runner having done Ironman in Kona twice. This was the first time I've run with him and I was a bit intimidated, I was sure that he was either going to kick my ass royally or he was going to push me so hard that I'd have a coronary at the finish.

We were next to each other as the race started I took an early lead but Iron Man quickly caught me - telling me he had stopped to tie his shoe - and then quickly passed me. I lost sight of him and then a few minutes later he was on the side of the road limping as I passed him. I asked him if he was ok and he said he was fine, that he rolled his ankle, but I should keep going.

I kept running and started thinking ‘hmmmm, is the whole ‘Iron Man Andy' legend just an elaborate ruse? Did he really have to tie his shoe or did I start too fast for him? Is he now faking an injury because he can’t keep up with me? Did he even really compete in an Iron Man??’’ As I pondered this for a few minutes, he came up on me again, hurt ankle and all. We stayed together for about the last 1/4 mile and he could have easily sped past had he wanted. I was speeding up and he was staying with me. I was panting hard and he was limping quite rapidly. We finished side by side in 25:32 (8:14) which was slow for him and only 30 seconds off my 5K pr.

So while the photo looks like were pretty even, not only did Iron Man Andy stop twice during the race and run the last mile and a half on a sprained ankle, he caught me and if he wanted could've passed me. He Da Man.

P.S. That little shit kid, sprinted right past both of us at the line and finished a second ahead of us.






Nice recap, Soup.

I wear this headlamp, which I recommend for comfort and brightness, in addition to all kinds of reflective vests/shoe clips/etc. I do a fair amount of running in the dark, on snowy roads, and I can't be too visible out here.

Fman99
Oct 28 2015 08:14 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

So, this past Sunday, I completed my 8th marathon, all since Memorial Day weekend of 2013. This one was the Marine Corps Marathon, annually one of the ten biggest marathons in the nation and prestige-wise, up there with Chicago, NYC, Boston, and the other big city races among those looking for "bucket list" marathons to run.

I recommend it, highly.

The day was complicated, to say the least. We went down as a family and stayed with my cousin and her family in Centreville, VA, about a 45 minute drive from Arlington where the race starts and ends. My cousin had fond memories of watching a friend complete this race many years ago and was eager to come out early with me, watch me on the course, and then drive me back to her place at the end. Good deal for me.

We left her place at 5 AM and got coffee on our way out of town. I had a bowl of cereal and grabbed a fruit bar and a banana to eat pre-race, as we're leaving at 5 but the race doesn't start for nearly 3 hours. We drive in and then park, and then there's a shuttle from the parking garage to the check in point at the Pentagon. The shuttle took a long damn time to fill up and start, so we don't get into the check in queue until nearly 6 AM.

Then the waiting game starts.

We were told to be in the start corral by 5:55, so we're pretty close to the time we were told to be there. But the line is moving at a very slow pace. They have to screen not only 30,000 runners but all of their family members who wanted to cheer them off from the start, so, a lot of people. Add a train that ran late and malfunctioning metal detectors (due to a light rainfall) and things are just slow. A good 40 minutes later, we get through screening, I snack and go potty, check my bag, re-tie my shoes, and head towards the corral.

Some folks, not so lucky. Well documented here -- some runners didn't get to the start until 30-40 min after the gun went off. No potty breaks for them!

My goal was to bang out 8:30's all day and hit 3:45 as a target time. I thought, it's a tough course, but I ran my 19 mile practice run at that pace and it was maintainable. Even on a tough course, where the first five miles have a bunch of big hills and big crowds, and it's raining pretty steady.

I find a buddy of mine who I know is running the same pace and we fall into an 8:30 pace/rhythm. Talking it up, keeping each other from going too fast or hard. Ran the whole first half together before he started to drop off.

My big issue? The stomach!

I don't usually eat bananas because I get backed up. I suppose I didn't have as good of a bathroom break as I wanted to, pre-race, because I had this nagging stomach discomfort that just hung around. Probably noticed it about 80% of each mile - it would go away, only to come back. Eating on the road, not sleeping in my usual bed, who knows, something had me off my usual game.

It rained for a good 4-5 miles but then it stopped, mercifully, before my socks/shoes got too wet or I had any blister issues.

Mile 12 is "the blue mile." An entire mile lined with placards and photos of Marines who dies serving their nation, and their family members holding American flags. Very emotional!

I was able to sustain that 8:30 pace well into mile 24, before I finally bonked. My GPS said I ran a sub-8 mile 24 but it also lost signal for part of that mile due to building cover, and I don't think it was accurate. By mile 24.7 I had to start taking short 30 second walking breaks, due to fatigue but also the 3+ hours of GI pain I had been fighting through. So I lost a bit of pace, and when you factor in that I ran 26.6 miles due to a crowded course, I missed my target time by just a few minutes and came in at 3:50:01. When you get to the finish line, two Marines put a medal on you and give you a real Marine salute. Awesome!

Marines all over the course, cheering runners and handing out drinks at the water stops too. Tons of crowd support across the entirety of the course, with the exception of this awful mile 21 stretch on a bridge back from DC to Virginia where there's nothing but hurt.

The post race is a long crawl from the finish to the family meet up and post race area, a good mile walk. Sucky! But my cousin was able to spot me twice along the race course at miles 11/16 and then again a quarter mile from the finish. She had fun too and I was glad for her company.

So, in my 8 marathons, I have a 3:41, 3:44, 3:46, 3:48, 3:49, 3:50, 3:53 and 3:54. Happy with consistency!

Splits/elevation:

NAME PACE CLIMB
1 mi 8:41 135
2 mi 8:23 16
3 mi 8:38 13
4 mi 8:10 -150
5 mi 8:38 41
6 mi 8:09 -29
7 mi 8:34 49
8 mi 8:32 -7
9 mi 8:23 -43
10 mi 8:24 -26
11 mi 8:24 3
12 mi 8:17 -9
13 mi 8:22 -7
14 mi 8:29 -4
15 mi 8:30 -5
16 mi 8:24 2
17 mi 8:25 15
18 mi 8:19 33
19 mi 8:15 -36
20 mi 8:42 28
21 mi 8:36 -41
22 mi 8:41 42
23 mi 8:30 63
24 mi 7:48 3
25 mi 8:53 -80
26 mi 9:54 -9
27 mi 9:13 39

Better yet, because of the difficulty of the course, or the issues runners had getting to the start, I placed far higher than I usually do. I am accustomed to finishing in the top 30% or so of an overall field at this distance, and in the 40-50% range in my age bracket. Faster than the average marathon runner, but not in the top 10-20%. But in this race, I placed 2529th out of 23,212 runners (top 11%) and 298th out of 2149 in my age group (top 14%). So those are some solid numbers.

I had been entertaining the idea of running the Philadelphia Marathon in 25 days, and "embracing the bonk," as mm put it, but I don't see it happening. I am wiped out and I'd rather just wait and ease back on the training for a few months while I shop for spring 2016 marathons.

I think I need to incorporate some 21-22 mile practice runs into my next marathon prep -- so that I don't hit a wall at 25 like I have in half of these races. Also, no bananas.

Sweet medal though.

themetfairy
Oct 28 2015 08:29 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Great picture, descriptions and accounts of the MCM - WTG on yet another great race!

One day you have to run the NYC Marathon, just because.

Fman99
Oct 28 2015 08:39 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

themetfairy wrote:
Great picture, descriptions and accounts of the MCM - WTG on yet another great race!

One day you have to run the NYC Marathon, just because.


I hope to! I attempted to get in in 2013 and 2014 but did not get selected. This year I did not attempt to because the race is Nov 1st and I didn't want to leave the day prior and miss Halloween. I will attempt it again in 2016.

themetfairy
Oct 28 2015 08:45 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Fman99 wrote:
themetfairy wrote:
Great picture, descriptions and accounts of the MCM - WTG on yet another great race!

One day you have to run the NYC Marathon, just because.


I hope to! I attempted to get in in 2013 and 2014 but did not get selected. This year I did not attempt to because the race is Nov 1st and I didn't want to leave the day prior and miss Halloween. I will attempt it again in 2016.



If you don't get in via the lottery, consider fundraising. Team McGraw could use all the runners it can get!

metsmarathon
Oct 29 2015 09:36 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

nice work, and excellent recap. mcm is the one marathon that mrs.mm has done that i haven't, and i really, really want to add that medal to my collection! it is such a sweet medal.

i think i did a 21-mile training run before my last nyc marathon ('09, a long time ago). i still bonked hard, but that was more as a result of poor tapering and going out way, way, WAY too fast in the start. an adidtional benefit to adding a 21-22 mile run into your training is that it's in addition to the usual 20-miler(s), and more base is more gooder.

how'd you like that last hill?

metsmarathon
Oct 29 2015 09:43 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

soupcan wrote:
P.S. That little shit kid, sprinted right past both of us at the line and finished a second ahead of us.


one thing i pride myself on, is never getting out-kicked. i try not to kick past kids and women, and people doing their best just to finish, but if i'm gunning for a time, i go for it. and if there's somebody else trying to out kick kids and women and people just trying to do their best, i make sure to finish just ahead of them.

soupcan
Oct 30 2015 08:10 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Sounds like a great time Fman. Congrats! A marathon is still on my bucket list. Hopefully one day. It's the training thats the issue for me. My schedule is just not nearly conducive to it right now.


metsmarathon wrote:
soupcan wrote:
P.S. That little shit kid, sprinted right past both of us at the line and finished a second ahead of us.


one thing i pride myself on, is never getting out-kicked. i try not to kick past kids and women, and people doing their best just to finish, but if i'm gunning for a time, i go for it. and if there's somebody else trying to out kick kids and women and people just trying to do their best, i make sure to finish just ahead of them.


I hear ya and I whole-heartedly agree. I had no idea the kid was even there until he passed us.

Fman99
Oct 30 2015 10:18 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

metsmarathon wrote:
nice work, and excellent recap. mcm is the one marathon that mrs.mm has done that i haven't, and i really, really want to add that medal to my collection! it is such a sweet medal.

i think i did a 21-mile training run before my last nyc marathon ('09, a long time ago). i still bonked hard, but that was more as a result of poor tapering and going out way, way, WAY too fast in the start. an adidtional benefit to adding a 21-22 mile run into your training is that it's in addition to the usual 20-miler(s), and more base is more gooder.

how'd you like that last hill?


Thanks man!

That last hill is so short that it didn't phase me. By then my "get to the finish" kick is working anyway. The hardest stretch was mile 21 back across the bridge from DC and then mile 25, out in Arlington in a fairly quiet stretch before the finish.

Fman99
Oct 30 2015 10:22 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

soupcan wrote:
Sounds like a great time Fman. Congrats! A marathon is still on my bucket list. Hopefully one day. It's the training thats the issue for me. My schedule is just not nearly conducive to it right now.


It's honestly not that different from my non-marathon running schedule. I run for about 30 minutes three nights per week, usually Monday/Wednesday/Thursday, at whatever pace I feel like. Sometimes it's 8:05/mile and other times 8:50/mile, also weather permitting.

Then, each weekend, a long run, starting at 7-8 miles and gradually ramping up to a 20 miler over the course of 15-17 weeks or so, dialing it back a few miles every 3-4 weeks to give myself a break. The long runs are the only thing that separate this from my normal routine, as a rule, if I'm not training for a full marathon, I might run 7-8 miles as my typical Saturday long run.

soupcan
Oct 30 2015 10:31 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Its the during the week stuff thats difficult - Usually I can only get in one run on Wednesday. The only other days I can normally run are Saturday & Sunday.

metsmarathon
Oct 30 2015 11:46 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

if i didn't run at lunchtime, i would'nt be able to run at all during the week...

Fman99
Nov 01 2015 08:12 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Finished October with 111 miles on 17 runs, now at 1026.7 miles for 2015.

metsmarathon
Nov 02 2015 06:51 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

damn! i finished october with 102 miles (and a somewhat cranky calf) - just a handful of missed workouts away from topping fman. sonofabiscuit!

619 miles for the year.

soupcan
Nov 02 2015 09:40 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Only 50 for me this month.

However once again I shaved significant time off my per mile pace. From September to October I took 20 seconds off, and now from the beginning of October I've taken another 19 seconds off on average. In August I was running 9:25s Now I'm clocking in at an average of 8:46. I'd really like to be able to regularly run 8:30s.

I feel good and looking to log at least 75 this month.

Fman99
Nov 02 2015 10:16 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

soupcan wrote:
Only 50 for me this month.

However once again I shaved significant time off my per mile pace. From September to October I took 20 seconds off, and now from the beginning of October I've taken another 19 seconds off on average. In August I was running 9:25s Now I'm clocking in at an average of 8:46. I'd really like to be able to regularly run 8:30s.

I feel good and looking to log at least 75 this month.


That's some good stuff right there. My normal weeknight pace is probably about an 8:30 also, give take 30 seconds per minute depending on weather and fatigue. We should go for a run together the next time you're up here for a basketball game.

soupcan
Nov 02 2015 11:52 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Fman99 wrote:
That's some good stuff right there. My normal weeknight pace is probably about an 8:30 also, give take 30 seconds per minute depending on weather and fatigue. We should go for a run together the next time you're up here for a basketball game.


I'd like to but anytime I'm up there it's a drunken-old-fraternity-boy-drunk-fest. I bring my running stuff with the best of intentions and the one or two times I actually made it out for a run, I was sweating alcohol out of my pores. I remember feeling proud that I got my ass running but honestly I think I was only able to crank out 2-3 miles.

All that being said - I will try Fman, I will try.

Fman99
Nov 02 2015 03:41 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

soupcan wrote:
That's some good stuff right there. My normal weeknight pace is probably about an 8:30 also, give take 30 seconds per minute depending on weather and fatigue. We should go for a run together the next time you're up here for a basketball game.


I'd like to but anytime I'm up there it's a drunken-old-fraternity-boy-drunk-fest. I bring my running stuff with the best of intentions and the one or two times I actually made it out for a run, I was sweating alcohol out of my pores. I remember feeling proud that I got my ass running but honestly I think I was only able to crank out 2-3 miles.

All that being said - I will try Fman, I will try.


There's no shame in a 90 proof sweat trail. I only drink on weekends, so nearly every long run I did in training for my marathon, I was sweating out the booze. I will be out there 3x per week, regardless, so, when you're in town, get a hold of me. I rarely run more than 3.5 miles on a weeknight anyway.

I'll shoot you my phone number in a FB message so you have it.

El Segundo Escupidor
Nov 02 2015 05:40 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

soupcan wrote:
me and if he wanted could've passed me. He Da Man.

P.S. That little shit kid, sprinted right past both of us at the line and finished a second ahead of us.





The Curse of Dillon Gee.

TransMonk
Nov 03 2015 10:05 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

65 miles in October...470 for the year.

Loving the cool weather. I'm pretty sure (barring injury) that I'll get to my 600 mile goal for the year.

Rockin' Doc
Nov 03 2015 05:19 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

I got 11 runs in for a total of 56.25 miles for the month. I had set my sights on 80 miles for the month and was well on my way to obtaining my goal, when I got sick with a terrible cold. It kept me out of the gym for a week, hell I even had to take a sick day (only my 7th one in over 30 years) and then it was vacation time. I didn't even take any running gear or my shoes, since running would have cut into my lounging on the beach with rum drinks.

Hopefully, I can get a full month of workouts in this month. I'm setting on a modest 390 miles for the year.

bmfc1
Nov 08 2015 02:53 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

I spent my birthday morning running the Across the Bay 10K, as in the Bay Bridge, Maryland. We cross the bridge several times a year and it's always beautiful so I wanted to experience running across the bridge. It did not disappoint. 21,000 runners, up 5,000 from last year. There were some inconveniences but they didn't matter because the race was so nice. You had to spend $10 on a parking pass, take a shuttle to the start, there were many, many walkers (how else can you be on the Bay Bridge, legally, on foot?), the food was poor (the bagels were moldy!), the shuttle back across the bridge took a half-hour... but it didn't matter. All the people stopping in the middle of the race to take selfies at the peak point were really annoying but again, I didn't care. It was a good experience and I recommend it as a destination race (of course, if you've run over the Verrazano, you might not be impressed). You can visit lovely Annapolis, tour the Naval Academy, have crabcakes, and run the Bay Bridge.

themetfairy
Nov 08 2015 03:05 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

That's an awesome way to spend a birthday :)

Fman99
Nov 12 2015 07:16 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Good luck in Cuba MF!

I am dealing with some soreness. For the fourth straight year, I drove to Boston and combined a trip with Fwife's college friend and her family with a half marathon, where I finished in 1:43:27 (7:55/mile), good enough to be 252nd out of 1300 or so runners and to also be my second fastest of the eight half marathons I've done in 2015.

We then spent the afternoon walking the Freedom Trail. I may have overdone it, because I have been dealing all week with left heel pain. I ran 3 miles indoors on Tuesday and took a spin class tonight but this is a persistent ache that I notice all day, even just walking around. I have been icing, for now, and soon will start with some Advil as well, and hope that it improves. I'd hate to have to take time off, and I am signed up to run a half in Philly next weekend. That's a long way to go on a bum wheel.

themetfairy
Nov 12 2015 07:59 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Feel better, my friend!

metsmarathon
Nov 13 2015 06:39 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

get the plantar fascitis ankle sleeves, particularly the ones by feetures. they're sold singly or in a pair. when i was battling pf, i got them, wore them all the time for walking around (i couldn't run in them, but you could if you want - it was just a little too much pressure & stretch on my flat flat arches).

they work great, and are really quite comfortable for walking around in.

they'll stave off whatever early stage of pf you might be running into, and will likely be the cure.

i also reccomend doing osme arch stretches - they're just like stretching your calf by leaning against a wall with your foot behind you, but when you want to stretch out your arch, lift up onto your toes of your back foot, bring your front foot just off the ground, and slide it forward towards the base of hte wall. how far you move your front foot forward determines hte amount of stretch in your arch. i do it before, and sometimes after, i run. i should do it more after i run, but i'm really really REALLY lax in my post-run stretching, even though it generally works well for me.

mrs.mm was recently complaining of heel pain, and she just this week ordered a pair of the feetures pf sleeves. she's already raving about them after, like, two days.

Fman99
Nov 13 2015 09:09 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

metsmarathon wrote:
get the plantar fascitis ankle sleeves, particularly the ones by feetures. they're sold singly or in a pair. when i was battling pf, i got them, wore them all the time for walking around (i couldn't run in them, but you could if you want - it was just a little too much pressure & stretch on my flat flat arches).

they work great, and are really quite comfortable for walking around in.

they'll stave off whatever early stage of pf you might be running into, and will likely be the cure.

i also reccomend doing osme arch stretches - they're just like stretching your calf by leaning against a wall with your foot behind you, but when you want to stretch out your arch, lift up onto your toes of your back foot, bring your front foot just off the ground, and slide it forward towards the base of hte wall. how far you move your front foot forward determines hte amount of stretch in your arch. i do it before, and sometimes after, i run. i should do it more after i run, but i'm really really REALLY lax in my post-run stretching, even though it generally works well for me.

mrs.mm was recently complaining of heel pain, and she just this week ordered a pair of the feetures pf sleeves. she's already raving about them after, like, two days.


Thanks for the advice. The pain is along the bottom of my heel, as opposed to the lower ankle, it feels more like a bone bruise than anything tendon-related. I do run in 'Feetures' socks exclusively so I am on board with the brand.

I have been standing on top of the freezer packs we put in our lunch bags to ice the bottom of my heel, for 1-2 hours each night this week, and it's finally starting to ache less. I am going to run on it in the AM and see how it goes.

metsmarathon
Nov 13 2015 09:45 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Could be a bone bruise, could be heel spurs - an early sign of and frequent complaint about pf.

The foot sleeves might even help with the bone bruise thingy.

They basically look like a pair of tight ankle socks with the toes lopped off.

Fman99
Nov 14 2015 05:34 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Feeling much more confident today, ran 5.8 miles with my run club buddies at a slightly slower than normal pace for me (I usually practice in the 8:30-45/mile, today we ran 9:05) and feeling very little in the way of soreness. Iced it multiple times today.

themetfairy
Nov 17 2015 10:37 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

I'm glad that you are on the mend Fman!

I had two goals for my trip to Cuba - to finish the half marathon in under three hours and not to wind up in a Cuban prison. I achieved one of those goals.

Saturday was the MaraCuba - a 3K race that's held in every province of Cuba on the same day to promote health. A lot of children compete in the event, and it was a nice introduction to the streets of Havana.

On Sunday I ran the Media Maraton (half marathon), which started at 7 am. Thank goodness that it was an overcast day, because the weather was hot and sticky. I ran most of the first third of the course, and wound up walking and talking the rest of it with a lovely young woman who is a first generation American and whose parents accompanied her - it was their first trip back to Cuba in over 50 years!

The course started out on the Malecon, which was fairly flat. Waves were crashing over the sea wall, but not quite as far as the runners. We also passed by the zoo, the sports arena and Revolution Square, and finished in front of the Capitol. There were many water stops with plenty of bags of filetered water along the way - the water was good, but the discarded bags on the ground were very slippery. One of my fellow runners told me that he saw me running on the local news the next morning :)

I finished the race in a chip time of 3:15:11 - my slowest half marathon by a half hour, but definitely my most unique one.


The race results can be seen here.






themetfairy
Nov 22 2015 11:16 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

I did not have a stellar performance at the Bacardi 8K in Bermuda this morning, but considering that I was in the hospital on Wednesday I'm happy that I was able to run it at all. Beautiful (albeit hilly) course, lovely people and a great time :)

Fman99
Nov 22 2015 07:08 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

With a free bib, courtesy of a coworker, and a free place to stay at my cousin's place, I drove to Philly and ran the Philadelphia Marathon's half marathon event this morning. I knew the course as it is the same as the first half of the full marathon, which I completed in 2014.

I finished officially (well, technically, not me, my friend) in 1:47:50, good enough for 1576th out of 10,897 runners and 119th out of 527 in my age group (we happen to be in the same age bracket).

This course measured long for everyone I heard discussing it, too. My watch showed it as 13.56 miles, and I hit the 13.1 mark around 1:44 and averaged just under an 8 minute mile. Given how crowded the first 6-7 miles of the course are, I was more than happy with my pace.

Scored this tricked out medal, which has a real working bell.



The best part is how easy half marathons seem immediately following full marathons. I really coasted today, I spent most of the race singing along with the songs on my iPod.

metsmarathon
Nov 30 2015 02:33 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

I finished November with 146 miles - way more than I've run in a month since probably 2009 - bringing my yearly total up to 749. I project to run about 100-110 in December, and should fall short of a grand for the year.

but I'm ok with that.

this month was a bit of a struggle, actually, as my calf has been barking just a smidge. but thanks to KT Tape and calf sleeves, I'm able to manage it; in fact, it's seeming to be getting somewhat better, somewhat gradually.

in related news, on Thursday, I ran a 5k, and almost killed a woman. well, at a minimum, she c/w/should've been knocked on her kiester...

our local turkey trot is a fast out-and-back course along a main road in town. the turn-around is at halfway, naturally, and on each leg, you naturally would run in the same side of the road as you would if you were driving. as indicated by the fancy double-yellow line so courteously placed there by the fine county roads department.

so i'm, running my race, and pushing myself a bit - or as much as I really can with a wonky calf and deep into marathon/dopey training with heavy legs (and a fat ass). still, I'm going at a low 7's pace ("shut up, mm, that's not at all a slow pace you jerk" I can hear you collectively mutter). we hit the turnaround, and I'm doing my best to stay with my targeted opponents. so it's a crowded race, and the deeper you get into the middle of the pack, it really is a lot of people trying to move along there.

one thing you may not know about me - on an out and back course, I prefer to be on the left-ish side of my road. it feels more natural, has less camber, the people running past me in the other direction generally makes me run faster, and as an added bonus I tend to serve as an excellent snowplow for the field behind me. meaning I'm generally enough of a deterrent against people wandering into the oncoming lane.

not so much on Thursday. I don't know if the course was just extra crowded, extra inexperienced, poorly self-seeded, or just plain rude, but there were a ton of people coming over the line. I was situated about 3 feet off the double-yellow, and on a few occasions, had to avoid minor contact. a quarter mile after I'd passed the turnaround, there was one dude i briefly considered not avoiding, as he chose to pass about ten people, each of whom were already over the line, just as he was coming to me. i would've won the collision, but instead decided to give way. barely. I'm nearly a half mile ahead of this dude, and he can't afford to adjust his stride just a smidge to find an opening within his own damn lane? look, i get it. i hate crowds. i hate getting stuck behind other runners. I get wanting to run your own race at your own pace and run your fastest time. i get it all. but you don't go into oncoming running traffic to make your move. you're running a mid-9 mile - at best - you're not winning any awards here. you can chill out.

shortly after that incident, there was another clutch of people, and they were coming over the line as well. ok, i thought. they'll move in. and they did. but just as they're getting to me, out from behind them, and from a good six feet inside the other lane, some young 20-something girl runner, with headphones on, slingshots out into my lane. i literally jumped aside, out of her way, just as she appeared, and managed to not knock her over. she had zero idea i was even there, until she was practically on top of me. she was in her own little world, which was suddenly in great danger of crashing down all around her. there was easily an 80lb difference between us, and at least half a foot in height. I was running a 7:15, and she was not. it would not have been good for her. it would have been very, very bad.

as it is, I'm glad i didn't pull anything getting out of her way, or knock anyone down on my side in the attempt.

and again. it's the middle of the pack. and you're on an out-and back. and people are already coming back - and have been for a few minutes! what the fuck are you doing in the oncoming lane?

on the bright side, hopefully some of those people stayed on their own side of the double-yellow after I'd passed...

altogether, i ran a 23:01 clock time, 22:45 chip time. 132nd overall, 18th among males 30-39. over 2100 total participants.

2 spots behind me, finished a 9 year old girl who ran a 22:42 chip time. 5 spots after, was another 9 year old girl who had starte way too far back in the corral. she ran a 22:15. DAAAMN.... that's impressive...

themetfairy
Nov 30 2015 03:16 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

I'm glad that you were none the worse for wear after your near collision.

Am I the only person in the world who runs while listening to music with one earbud? I like the compromise of being able to hear my music while also keeping track of what's happening around me.

Fman99
Nov 30 2015 08:19 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 30 2015 08:23 PM

Nice recap MM!

I logged just 83 miles in November, a low mark for me this year. I dialed it back after experiencing the heel pain earlier this month, and I'm glad I did, as it's not bothering me at all when I run and only occasionally in the evenings (I ice it and that helps).

Sitting at 1109.9 miles, which puts me right on pace for 1200 for the year. I am fine with that number, after running nearly 1500 miles last year, I intentionally reduced my miles so as to stay fresher and incorporate more spin into my weekly routine.

I also put up very comparable Turkey Trot numbers -- on a hilly 5k course, tougher than most local races at that distance, I ran a 22:38 chip time. That's an unofficial time, as our local race has both a 5k at 9:15 and a 10k at 10 AM, which allows the more ambitious of us to do both. We pay for one race, and only 'officially' show up in one set of results, which is fine, because two races for $25 and a long sleeve tech shirt is a fine deal. Plus, we've logged 9.3 miles before we belly up to the ol' Thanksgiving trough.

So, anyway, I ran a 22:38 5k, which would have placed me 145th out of 1938 runners and 12th out of 162 in the 40-44 age group (this timing company doesn't do male and female age groups for this race, which is dopey) if I had shown up officially. And I did it wearing a dopey-ass turkey hat, which, in this photo, is quite the phallus as well.



Then I ran a 48:31 10k, good enough to finish 103rd out of 502 or so runners in that event. Then I went home, ate soup, and napped.

Not much on tap, race-wise, for December, a local 5k on the 12th and volunteering next week at a different 5k, on a course I detest, because it's a nice thing to do, and it earns me a free entry into a 10k next spring that i like.

Fman99
Nov 30 2015 08:20 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Oh, and I could never run with just one earbud. That would drive me bats. I either run with two or none.

metsmarathon
Nov 30 2015 08:31 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

i run with none.

i used to run on treadmills, way back before i just plain decided that im not running on treadmills anymore, with a pair of phillips headphones that were of a fairly open-ear design. it was ostensibly to improve the bass response, but what it really did was actually allow ambient noise in while still letting you hear your music.

they fit well, and stayed in, for the most part- at least as well as any ear buds i've ever tried. i've run on treadmills wearing more isolative headphones and had the shakes within a mile. way, way too claustrophobic for me.

i'm pretty sure one headphone would drive me nutty, too. not as bad as two, but still... give me my noise!

Rockin' Doc
Nov 30 2015 10:18 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Having been inspired by Fman, who cranks out 100+ mile months like a machine and marathon who still racks up high mileage totals while having 3 young sons at home, I set a goal of running 100 miles for the month of November. I reached my goal with 105.25 miles for November which upped my total for the year to 495 miles. My body endured the increased mileage without much problem other than my knees being a little tender at times. I don't anticipate doing 100 miles again any time soon. I plan to revert back to my usual 55-65 miles a month while concentrating more on the weight lifting portion of my workouts.

Fman99
Dec 01 2015 05:42 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Rockin' Doc wrote:
Having been inspired by Fman, who cranks out 100+ mile months like a machine and marathon who still racks up high mileage totals while having 3 young sons at home, I set a goal of running 100 miles for the month of November. I reached my goal with 105.25 miles for November which upped my total for the year to 495 miles. My body endured the increased mileage without much problem other than my knees being a little tender at times. I don't anticipate doing 100 miles again any time soon. I plan to revert back to my usual 55-65 miles a month while concentrating more on the weight lifting portion of my workouts.


That's awesome, man. Nice month of miles.

I was topped by two other CPF'ers this month, I wonder how long of a streak I had of being the high mileage guy in this thread per month.

TransMonk
Dec 01 2015 07:01 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

60 miles in November, 530 miles for the year.

soupcan
Dec 01 2015 09:04 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

60.5 miles for me in November, 527 for the year.

My per mile pace continues to slowly decline which is nice but its not something I'm consciously trying to do. I think a bigger goal would be to run more miles in a year. I'd like to hit 600 by the end of this year and then maybe shoot for 750 for 2017.

I ran my local Turkey Trot last week for the 6th consecutive year - and for the fourth consecutive year, beat my previous year's time. This year was the PR for me and I was quite happy with it. For the 5 mile race I had a 41:22 chip time (41:35 clock) which translated to an 8:17 pace. beat last year's PR by almost a full minute. Was 996th out of 4,257 and 97th out of 429 in the 50-59 age group.

The 'official' pics are not available yet and because I was running so fast, this is the best shot my wife could get.




And I am a headphone wearer (both ears) everytime I run.

themetfairy
Dec 12 2015 02:10 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

OMG - what an amazingly beautiful day for a race!

We did a local one en famille this afternoon - I ran while D-Dad and our older son walked. It was just gorgeous outside - a great way to finish up our running year!

Fman99
Dec 12 2015 08:41 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Yes, I could not agree more! I ran my 30th and final race of 2015 today, and I ended on a high note.

The "It's a Wonderful Run" 5k takes place in Seneca Falls, about a 45 minute drive from here. The entire town is said to have been the inspiration behind the film "It's a Wonderful Life" and the fictional town of Bedford Falls. It's a movie themed race that starts on the bridge thought to be the inspiration behind the famous scene, and the woman who played Jimmy Stewart's daughter Zsu Zsu opens the race with a line from the film. It's pretty awesome, actually, and the fourth straight year I've run this race. We start at dusk and gradually the night gets darker, the lights on the houses come out and the race includes carolers, cheering, and general holiday merriment.

It's also a fast, flat course, with a downhill finish.

The weather brought out a record crowd, over 3800 finishers this year, 630 more than last year.

I was able to set a 5k PR today, finishing in 21:25 and closing in on MM's 21:15 CPF 5k record that's been on my radar :) In my 61st ever 5k, I felt good (despite running 6 miles earlier in the day at a somewhat brisk 8:20/mile pace), I was loose and relaxed and finished stronger in each mile.

That put me in 122nd overall out of 3818 finishers and 12th out of 131 in my age group.

The goal for 2016 is a sub-21 minute 5k.

metsmarathon
Dec 12 2015 09:00 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Damn! Nice!

And... Uh oh...

It's 21:24, by the way. ;)

Fman99
Dec 13 2015 10:34 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

metsmarathon wrote:
Damn! Nice!

And... Uh oh...

It's 21:24, by the way. ;)


Oh, snap, I'm closer than I thought!

metsmarathon
Dec 13 2015 11:03 AM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

damnit. typo. 21:14. sorry for the false hope.

Fman99
Dec 13 2015 08:06 PM
Re: Always on the Run - Running Thread 2015

Dangit!