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Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Nymr83 Jan 01 2015 03:14 PM

Doug Marrone opted out in Buffalo, I'd take a hard look at him for the vacancy at head coach. here is to another year of green misery!

themetfairy Jan 01 2015 03:18 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

If they get rid of Michael Vick I'll go back to suffering along with this team next season.

d'Kong76 Jan 01 2015 03:55 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

From the end of the 2014 thread: Hahn Solo wrote: I'm not thrilled with the idea that they're starting to plan coach interviews before a GM is in place. And I really don't like that Kubiak and Tom Cable are two of the coaching names I've seen pop up. I'm liking the thought of Mike Maccagnan, the college scouting guy from the Texans who is on their shortlist for GMs. But that's almost totally based on this, where I think he comes off as pretty knowledgeable...http://www.houstontexans.com/news/a...1 ... 2515415954 I'd be interested in interviewing Darrell Bevell, though a buddy of mine out in Seattle says he has his detractors out there among the fan base. I also would't turn my back on Josh McDaniels; yes, he got fired in Denver and yes, he has Belichick stench on him (and the Belichick coaching tree hasn't set the world on fire); but he did start a season 6-0 with Kyle Orton as his QB, and he is a bit more mature now. Definitely worth an interview. Another guy who won't come back here, but in the right spot (with a solid front office) I think could resurrect his career, is Eric Mangini. Guy is still young, and has been on the 49ers staff the last couple years. As long as he doesn't have the dual roles of GM and coach, and as long as he lightens up a bit, he's got a great football mind. Vic Sage wrote: now that Harbaugh is off the table, i can't think of a single coaching candidate to whom the Jets should give total control over player personnel. Therefore, they're going to need a quality GM. And they're not going to GET a quality GM if they already have a coach in place. Hey Woody Shit-for-Brains, hire a fucking GM first, you ass-clown.

Nymr83 Jan 01 2015 04:19 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

I dont actually believe in GM first, i think you get a coach thwn get a GM who will pursue the type of players the coach needs.

d'Kong76 Jan 01 2015 04:46 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

There's no right way, depends on who the guys are.

Vic Sage Jan 02 2015 10:26 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Hiring a coach is a GM's job. We won't get the best guys to consider the position if Woody goes out and hires a coach first. It was widely reported that the reason we got stuck with Idzik is because the top GM candidates didn't want to take a job where they had a coach thrust upon them. Only a guy desperate for a shot will walk into that kind of situation. If Belicheck, or Harbaugh, or Gruden, or a small handful of top experienced successful NFL coaches come available, then sure. But for Doug freakin' Morrone? No way. I don't want Woody deciding who the next coach should be. I want the guy with the football know-how who is looking long-term and has established relationships around the league. Go get the guy who builds the team, then he picks his coach, and together they pick a QB. But this? Fishing for retreads and assistants without a GM on board? This is the Jets way... it's called "bass akwards".

d'Kong76 Jan 03 2015 08:41 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Generally speaking, I agree with all that. I meant that there are times (a rock-star-if-you-want-me-to-prepare-the-meal- you-have-to-let-me-do-the-shopping coach) makes it ok to hire him first. I'd be shocked if they don't hire a GM first, and hopefully the plan to have those two gurus heavily advise on who to get stays in place and Woody sticks to his band-aids and baby lotion.

d'Kong76 Jan 08 2015 01:07 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Lotta rumors swelling about that Defensive Coordinator of the Seahawks, Dan Quinn, will be the Jets next head coach. http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2 ... 08xml.html

Nymr83 Jan 10 2015 08:02 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Well, that didn't take long... ESPN wrote: New York Jets running back Chris Johnson was arrested Friday night in Orlando, Florida, where he was charged with the open carrying of a firearm -- a second-degree misdemeanor. The gun was licensed and in his vehicle during a traffic stop for running a stop sign. hardly a bleep on the radar of NFL crimes i guess

d'Kong76 Jan 12 2015 08:51 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

GM News: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutd ... 15006.html

Vic Sage Jan 12 2015 10:02 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

I have no opinion of MacCagnan, but at least he's from a scouting background, and they've hired him before naming a coach. I hope they will now give him the authority to have a final say on the new coach, whether it's quinn or whoever. Because we've seen what happens when a new gm has a coach shoved down his throat by the owner.

Nymr83 Jan 12 2015 11:16 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Vic Sage wrote: Because we've seen what happens when a new gm has a coach shoved down his throat by the owner. The GM sabotages the coach's chances at winning by failing to sign significant help at the most needed position while leaving a huge hole in the cap number?

Vic Sage Jan 13 2015 09:56 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

yeah, that... among other things

RealityChuck Jan 14 2015 07:08 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

And we now have a coach....Todd Bowles http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_ ... head-coach.

Vic Sage Jan 14 2015 10:01 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Ok, another defensive-minded HC...which is not inherently a problem; it just puts more pressure on the choice of offensive coordinator. And at least they included the new GM in the process of making the decision, which i think is critical for their future working relationship. Now we just need some draft magic.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 14 2015 11:22 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

The primer on both of our Jersey boys, as per the Ledger.

RealityChuck Jan 14 2015 01:12 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Vic Sage wrote: Ok, another defensive-minded HC...which is not inherently a problem; it just puts more pressure on the choice of offensive coordinator. And at least they included the new GM in the process of making the decision, which i think is critical for their future working relationship. Now we just need some draft magic. They're last offensive-minded head coach was Rich Kotite, so you can see why they shy away from them.

Ashie62 Jan 15 2015 12:55 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Mock drafts are out. http://www.walterfootball.com They have the Jets taking top shelf WR from Alabama Amari Cooper or either Mariotta or Winston if they slip. Mariotta will not slip. Cooper seems like a WR that can make a difference as a rookie.

d'Kong76 Mar 06 2015 11:19 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Brandon Marshall a Jet? For a fifth round pick? http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/3/6/81 ... o-the-jets

Vic Sage Mar 06 2015 02:46 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

yup. Marshall for a 5th round pick. I'm ok with that. He's a douche but he can still play. Now that we're set at WR, and its unlikely that either of the QBs will still be there (and even if they are, they are big risks, not blue chip franchise guys), so I think they should use the #6 pick to take the best pass-rushing end or OLB available at the top of the draft. Those guys are really important, hard to come by, expensive, and since Coples looks like a bust (mainly, i think, because he's a 4-3 end being played out of position as a 3-4 LB), its a real need for the Jets. There are 4 guys ranked as high 1st rounders by most mocks, so it wouldn't be a reach to take one at #6: Fowler, Beasley,Gregory and Ray. Then they need to sign 2 FA CBs (i'd be fine if they wanted to bring back Revis and Cromartie), and a FS like Rahim Moore (allowing Pryor to go back to his more natural position of SS), an OG (Iupati? Franklin?) and one of the veteran QB castoffs (Moore? Hoyer? Mallett?), and i think we'll be a playoff team. There's talk of getting CJ Spiller, but i think he's a luxury; we already have some decent RBs in Ivory and Powell, and we need more help elsewhere (particularly the secondary, where we need 3 new starters).

Nymr83 Mar 06 2015 04:30 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

I love the Marshall move because now we can cut Harvin and owe the Seahawks less without being forced to sign or draft a WR

MFS62 Mar 06 2015 08:24 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Nymr83 wrote: I love the Marshall move because now we can cut Harvin and owe the Seahawks less without being forced to sign or draft a WR This. Later

d'Kong76 Mar 10 2015 08:21 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Revis... http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/ ... story.html http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/11/sport ... -jets.html

Nymr83 Mar 10 2015 08:28 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

REVIS!!! oh and some guard to replace Colon REVIS! !!!!!

MFS62 Mar 11 2015 08:13 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Now, go after the best remaining offensive linemen they can sign. It doesn't matter who the quarterback is going to be if they can't protect him. And even with Colon's replacement, they are not that good in the rest of the OL positions. Later

Nymr83 Mar 11 2015 10:43 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

It doesn't matter who the quarterback is going to be if they can't protect him. And even with Colon's replacement, they are not that good in the rest of the OL positions. the Jets are already very good at LT and C. They are average at RT and now slightly below average at LG in Carpenter, which is still a big upgrade from "far below average" Colon. another guard would be nice but i dont think they'll be bad there this year. Jets just traded for Ryan Fitzpatrick! hey, its better than Geno

Vic Sage Mar 11 2015 12:03 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Carpenter is adequate, and with Mangold and Ferguson, their OL is not a dire situation. Could it be better? Sure. Its not like their powerful DL, but they can win with it. Just as they can with Fitzpatrick working in Chan Gailey's system. So now they've gotten the QB, OG, 2 CBs (including the best one in the league), and a #1 WR, they'll probably fill their DE/OLB edge rushing need with their #1 pick, then go from there. I'd still like for them to sign a FS (moving Pryor to SS), a LB (to replace Pace), and another OLman (to replace either Aboushi or Giacomini), but none of those positions are a desperate situation. [u:2ac114qi]Offense:[/u:2ac114qi] QB - Fitzpatrick RB - Ivory - Powell TE - Amaro - Cumberland WR - Marshall / Decker / Kerley OL - Ferguson / Carpenter / Mangold / Aboushi [Draft/FA?] / Giacomini [u:2ac114qi]Defense:[/u:2ac114qi] DL - Richardson / Harrison / Wilkerson LB - [#1 pick] - Coples / Davis / Harris / Pace - Enemkpali [or Draft/FA?] CB - Revis / Skrines S - Pryor / Jarrett [or Draft/FA?] [u:2ac114qi]Still available: [/u:2ac114qi] RB - CJ Spiller FS - Rahim Moore, Kendrick Lewis, Stevie Brown OL - Joe Barksdale (RT), Jake Long (RT),Justin Blalock (G), OLB - Orakpo, Dwight Freeney, Brandon Graham [u:2ac114qi]DE-OLB prospects ranked as possible 1st rounders:[/u:2ac114qi] Fowler, Ray, Gregory, Beasley, Dupree, Herold

Ashie62 Mar 11 2015 02:20 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Speaking of QB, the Jets acquire QB Ryan Fitzpatrick from the Texans for a low pick.

Frayed Knot Mar 11 2015 02:54 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

I'm trying to figure out why the NFL FA season becomes this huge free-for-all where it seems everyone is in a mad rush to sign in the first few days - hell, even before the first few days really since many of these deals are agreed to (illegally by the largely ignored letter of the law) even if not officially signed before the FA-season technically opens. But what I can't figure out is why, unlike the other sports, there seems to be almost none of the 'playing the field' tactic by the players. Instead it's as if they treat this period asif a huge game of 'Musical Chairs' and they feel the need to grab the first good offer that comes along rather than risk being caught without a team when the music stops. I heard some speculation, for instance, that had [unspellable first name] Suh talked to enough teams and played offers against each other it's possible that he could have broken the unwritten taboo and gotten all or most of his deal guaranteed. Now maybe that's true and maybe it's not (and maybe he would have had to settle for lower ceiling in order to get the greater floor) but he'll almost certainly never see that ceiling anyway and he signed so quickly that we'll probably never know. Maybe it's that these players (and/or their agents) are so intent of making the biggest splash by signing the deal with the highest maximum value (bragging rights?). We know that the teams like those figures because it sends a message to the fan base that the owner is a big spender even though those maximums are rarely if ever reached. Had Suh though insisted on a deal of "only" $90 mil (just to pick a number) but with all of it guaranteed instead of the $120/$60 (max/guar) that he got I wonder if he could have gotten a team to agree to it. It just seems odd to me that no one seems to want to even try the route of slow-playing the market.

Nymr83 Mar 11 2015 03:53 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Vic Sage wrote: Offense: QB - Fitzpatrick RB - Ivory - Powell TE - Amaro - Cumberland WR - Marshall / Decker / Kerley OL - Ferguson / Carpenter / Mangold / Aboushi [Draft/FA?] / Giacomini Defense: DL - Richardson / Harrison / Wilkerson LB - [#1 pick] - Coples / Davis / Harris / Pace - Enemkpali [or Draft/FA?] CB - Revis / Skrines S - Pryor / Jarrett [or Draft/FA?] Still available: RB - CJ Spiller FS - Rahim Moore, Kendrick Lewis, Stevie Brown OL - Joe Barksdale (RT), Jake Long (RT),Justin Blalock (G), OLB - Orakpo, Dwight Freeney, Brandon Graham DE-OLB prospects ranked as possible 1st rounders: Fowler, Ray, Gregory, Beasley, Dupree, Herold given the stats of the league and also Bowles prefferred defenses in Arizona, you need to consider at least the 3rd corner, if not the 4th corner and 3rd safety as well, to essentially be starters. Milliner is basically a starter still

MFS62 Mar 12 2015 02:49 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Getting the band back together - Cromartie signs with Jets - 4 year contract: http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/rep ... id=DELLDHP So does Colon (veteran minimum) for 1 year. Later

Nymr83 Mar 12 2015 05:03 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Wow. Rex Ryan must be sitting in Buffalo furious right now.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 12 2015 05:39 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

They're getting the band back together!

Nymr83 Mar 12 2015 06:31 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Great tweet from Jets beat writer Brian Costello, someone said that Woody hosted Jeb Bush for breakfast this morning, tongue firmly in cheek "is that some CB I havent heard of?" The remake of this roster has been off the charts.

d'Kong76 Mar 12 2015 07:35 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

I'm like in holy crap mode!

MFS62 Mar 13 2015 08:15 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

What a difference a year makes. Last year's opening day secondary: #1 CB - Antonio Allen #2 CB - Darrin Walls #1 SS - Dawan Landry #1 FS - Calvin Pryor #3 CB - Kyle WIlson #4 CB - Phillip Adams This year it looks like it will be: #1 CB - Darrelle Revis #2 CB - Antonio Cromartie #1 SS - Calvin Pryor #1 FS - Marcus Gilchrist #3 CB - Buster Skrine #4 CB - Dee Milliner #5 CB - Dexter McDougle Just looking for the backup safeties. Later

d'Kong76 Mar 13 2015 08:31 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

It's like Festivus every day this week... http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2015/0 ... who_h.html

MFS62 Mar 13 2015 08:37 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Yep. I already had him on my list of this year's secondary. And they have over $15 in cap room left. I hope they use some of it to lock up Wilkerson long ter. Later

Ashie62 Mar 13 2015 11:22 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

MFS62 wrote: Yep. I already had him on my list of this year's secondary. And they have over $15 in cap room left. I hope they use some of it to lock up Wilkerson long ter. Later Wilkerson is that good.

themetfairy Mar 13 2015 11:24 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Is Vick gone? As in, there's no chance he'll be on the team this coming season? If that's the case, I'll start paying attention again.

d'Kong76 Mar 13 2015 11:32 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

I think Vick is an unsigned free agent right NOW!

themetfairy Mar 13 2015 11:39 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

I'm almost back then. I want to make sure he's not returning before I even think about caring for this team again.

d'Kong76 Mar 13 2015 11:56 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

I think you're safe! http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2015/0 ... ngs_t.html

themetfairy Mar 13 2015 12:27 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

That sounds promising - thanks!

Vic Sage Mar 17 2015 03:41 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

After FA signings: [u:1ck1cup5]Offense:[/u:1ck1cup5] QB - Fitzpatrick RB - Ivory - Powell [+4th R pick?] TE - Amaro - Cumberland WR - Marshall / Decker / Kerley / [+3rd R pick?] OL - Ferguson / Carpenter - Aboushi / Mangold / Colon [+2nd R pick?] / Giacomini [u:1ck1cup5]Defense:[/u:1ck1cup5] DL - Richardson / Harrison / Wilkerson LB - Coples - Enemkpali [+1stR pick] / Davis / Harris / Pace - Reilly CB - Revis / Cromartie / Skrines S - Pryor / Gilchrist Jets' primary needs remain: - QB, but they won't be in any position to do anything about this in this year's draft. Fitzpatrick will have to hold the fort; - OLB/edge rusher, which would make the defense dominant. They can't count on Pace or Babin, and Coples is a bust, and there are a bunch of really good prospects likely to be available early. They should also pick up another one (either draft or FA), unless they think that either Reilly and/or Enemkpali can really contribute; - OL, they need either a G or T (or both) to bolster the line, which is getting old. Colon is a disaster, Giacomini and Carpenter are no great shakes, Ferguson is aging, and Mangold ... well, he' still Mangold, thankfully; - WR, they need some promising young talent her behind Marshall and Decker; and - RB, Ivory and Powell are solid, but some young breakaway speed back could change this offense. With an OLB who can make an immediate impact, their defense will win them games, provided that the offense doesn't constantly turn the ball over.

Nymr83 Mar 17 2015 07:20 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Vic Sage wrote: After FA signings: Offense: QB - Fitzpatrick RB - Ivory - Powell [+4th R pick?] TE - Amaro - Cumberland WR - Marshall / Decker / Kerley / [+3rd R pick?] OL - Ferguson / Carpenter - Aboushi / Mangold / Colon [+2nd R pick?] / Giacomini Defense: DL - Richardson / Harrison / Wilkerson LB - Coples - Enemkpali [+1stR pick] / Davis / Harris / Pace - Reilly CB - Revis / Cromartie / Skrines S - Pryor / Gilchrist Jets' primary needs remain: - QB, but they won't be in any position to do anything about this in this year's draft. Fitzpatrick will have to hold the fort; - OLB/edge rusher, which would make the defense dominant. They can't count on Pace or Babin, and Coples is a bust, and there are a bunch of really good prospects likely to be available early. They should also pick up another one (either draft or FA), unless they think that either Reilly and/or Enemkpali can really contribute; - OL, they need either a G or T (or both) to bolster the line, which is getting old. Colon is a disaster, Giacomini and Carpenter are no great shakes, Ferguson is aging, and Mangold ... well, he' still Mangold, thankfully; - WR, they need some promising young talent her behind Marshall and Decker; and - RB, Ivory and Powell are solid, but some young breakaway speed back could change this offense. With an OLB who can make an immediate impact, their defense will win them games, provided that the offense doesn't constantly turn the ball over. -i don't think there is any debate that Carpenter is starting, they didn't hand him that contract to let Aboushi beat him out. -Babin and Pace were both brought back, for now, but I'm thinking only one of them makes the opening day roster and i'm betting on Babin, he was more productive last year and the new coaching staff doesn't have the loyalty to Pace. -I wouldn't call Coples a bust, I'd call him a square peg in a round hole. He's going to look very good in a few years as somebody else's 4-3 DE, I hope the Jets can find ways to use him creatively (if more sparingly) this year because the talent is there. -I agree that pass rusher at OLB is likely the 1st round pick, but arent you at least a little tempted if Brandon Scherff is on the board at #6? I love the idea of him mauling the shit out of guys ahead of Ivory.

Vic Sage Mar 18 2015 03:27 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

- I didn't mean to suggest Carpenter wouldn't be starting. I do think Aboushi will get some run, if not for Carpenter than for Colon. - I don't know that either Babin OR Pace will be brought back; neither has much left in the tank and they may prefer to spend remaining money elsewhere and let Enemkpali and Reilly take the remaining slots at minimum wage; - I agree about Coples, and i think i said so somewhere further up this thread, but he's not an OLB edge rusher in a 3-4, and i think he's proven that. - I like the idea of a great OT, but i don't know that Sherff is one. If they think he is, then by all means. But maybe they could trade down a bit and still get him, while picking up an extra pick, if they're not sold on any of those DE/OLBs being a difference maker. Frankly, i'd be alright with them just taking the best available player at any point in the draft, and not reach for a position. If guys grade out as roughly equivalent than sure, pick for need. But don't let need dictate the grade.

Nymr83 Mar 18 2015 11:03 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Yeah anything but a Defensive lineman in round 1 is fine, thats about the only postion where they would really get no value as all 3 of the current starters are not just good but young. Even a CB or WR after all the spending would be fine if they like the guy enough.

MFS62 Mar 19 2015 06:18 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

The greatest quarterback in history never completed a pass from the prone position. They need to improve the offensive line, both for pass protection and run blocking. The right tackle they signed last year as a free agent came to the Jets with the reputation that, while he wasn't a good pass protector, he wasn't that great as a run blocker, either. (He's not that heavy.) And that's why Seattle let him get away in free agency. And he lived up to that reputation. As for drafting a defensive player, the call for an edge pass rushing linebacker doesn't take into account the change to the passing game in recent years. Offenses have moved to a three step drop and quick passes to players running short/ intermediate routes. To defend plays, the rush must come from inside, getting in the QB's face and disrupting his vision and the timing of the play. Outside rushers will get there after the ball has been released. If they draft a linebacker, it should be one who can cover the running backs and slot receivers on the intermediate routes and is also be able to stop the run. IMO, the need for a linebacker to rush the passer is becoming obsolescent. Its like the military asking for weapons to fight the last war, not the next one. Later

Nymr83 Mar 19 2015 07:07 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Last years top 10 in sacks consisted of 6 outside linebackers and 4 Defensive Ends all of whom played in 4-3 schemes... Ie edge rushers. Do you have anything to back up your claims?

MFS62 Mar 19 2015 07:13 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Nymr83 wrote: Last years top 10 in sacks consisted of 6 outside linebackers and 4 Defensive Ends all of whom played in 4-3 schemes... Ie edge rushers. Do you have anything to back up your claims? Yes, but the Jets play a 3-4. If the Jets were to go to a 4-3, their current defensive ends are good enough to get sacks, especially since they will be getting "coverage sacks" because of the upgrading of their defensive backs. The need is for linebackers with other skills. And, as I said, I'm looking at how the game has been evolving, not how it has been. In any event, think they need to build up the offensive line. Later

Vic Sage Mar 19 2015 07:57 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

even granting your assertion, with the #6 pick, its better for them to draft a player they think can be great, rather than one they think will be good, regardless of position. Talent is always the most valuable commodity.

Nymr83 Mar 19 2015 08:05 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

MFS62 wrote: Nymr83 wrote: Last years top 10 in sacks consisted of 6 outside linebackers and 4 Defensive Ends all of whom played in 4-3 schemes... Ie edge rushers. Do you have anything to back up your claims? Yes, but the Jets play a 3-4. If the Jets were to go to a 4-3, their current defensive ends are good enough to get sacks, especially since they will be getting "coverage sacks" because of the upgrading of their defensive backs. The need is for linebackers with other skills. And, as I said, I'm looking at how the game has been evolving, not how it has been. In any event, think they need to build up the offensive line. Later not sure what you mean by "but the jets play a 3-4", so do the 6 outside linebackers i cited above unless i'm wrong about Baltimore's current scheme. Given the jets current scheme, I would disagree that "the need is for linebackers with others skills", pass rushing is precisely the skill they need from a LOLB/ROLB and that is either the greatest or 2nd greatest (o-line) need on the team that can reasonably addressed (yeah they need a better QB, but thats like saying i need to win the lotto, there just arent any out there) They already have 2 starters at MLB, which is more of a coverage position in 3-4, if they choose to take Harris' potential successor I could see them trying to find at least a more balanced player than him as he is really just a run-stuffer. Relying on "coverage sacks" isnt very reassuring, thats just saying the secondary is good so you are ignoring the pass rushers. switching schemes is generally a bad idea that sets teams back a few years while they bring all the right personel in. i wouldnt reccomend it for a team that thinks they can contend. even granting your assertion, with the #6 pick, its better for them to draft a player they think can be great, rather than one they think will be good, regardless of position. Talent is always the most valuable commodity. I would generally agree that you should just go with the talent, but there are situations where i wouldnt because the guy will basically never get on the field. if the best players on the board are all defensive linemen then the "right" move is probably to try and trade down a few spots to maximize your value from the pick, not to take the lineman and watch him ride the bench

MFS62 Mar 19 2015 12:51 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Nymr83 wrote: MFS62 wrote: not sure what you mean by "but the jets play a 3-4", so do the 6 outside linebackers i cited above unless i'm wrong about Baltimore's current scheme. Well, your statement of "Last years top 10 in sacks consisted of 6 outside linebackers and 4 Defensive Ends all of whom played in 4-3 schemes... Ie(sic) edge rushers." made it sound like all 10 of those players played in a 4-3. Later

MFS62 Mar 19 2015 05:00 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

There was just a trade. Well, sort of. Jets lose free agent DL Kenrick Ellis to their stadium co-tenants and sign free agent OL James Brewer from that same team. Later

Nymr83 Mar 19 2015 08:30 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

MFS62 wrote: MFS62 wrote: not sure what you mean by "but the jets play a 3-4", so do the 6 outside linebackers i cited above unless i'm wrong about Baltimore's current scheme. Well, your statement of "Last years top 10 in sacks consisted of 6 outside linebackers and 4 Defensive Ends all of whom played in 4-3 schemes... Ie(sic) edge rushers." made it sound like all 10 of those players played in a 4-3. Later The qualifier was meant to apply to "and 4 defensive ends", sorry for the confusion.

d'Kong76 Apr 30 2015 08:27 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Everyone who had Williams as the pick, please go to Window J to collect your winnings... The New York Jets didn't expect USC defensive tackle Leonard Williams to still be on the board when they went on the clock on Thursday night in Chicago. When he was, they couldn't resist. The Jets selected Williams with the sixth overall pick on Tuesday, adding another dynamic piece to a stacked defensive line. Williams, a stud interior lineman with athleticism and uncommon power, is believed by many draft analysts to be the best player in his class. NFL Media's Charles Davis compared Williams' game to former Los Angles Rams defensive tackle and Pro Football Hall of Famer Merlin Olsen.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 30 2015 10:15 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Superlong, superathletic, super block-shedder, can play anywhere on the line, matchup nightmare, and he's not yet refined his game completely. So there's, like, room for a LOT of growth. Also, tasty shock-fro.

Frayed Knot May 01 2015 05:57 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

And he apparently blocked for QB Robin Ventura

MFS62 May 01 2015 07:56 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

They just upgraded their pass rush. Adding him to the returning three defensive linemen and going a 4-3 defense will create blocking nightmares for their opponents. Great pick of the best player (not just available, but in the draft.) Now, let's solidify the offensive line. The right side of the OL is paper thin. I'd go for someone like TJ Cummings. Later

Vic Sage May 01 2015 10:26 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Best player available. Gotta love it. But whether you call their defense a 3-4 or a 4-3, they'll be using a variety of formations, and its more than likely that one of Wilkerson, Richardson, Harrison or Williams might not be on the field on a given play, which is not an ideal use of resources. And it also doesn't give us an edge rush. Don't get me wrong, i'd rather they took Williams than reach for an OL they didn't think was worth the 6th pick, like the Giants did with Flowers, or to take a 1-dimensional edge-rusher like Beasely, but this may mean some other moves will be coming down the line. Do they pay Wilkerson now, or trade him? If they go to mostly a 4-3, they may have the wrong line-backing corps. How do they fix that? Davis is the only LB they currently have on their roster that's quick enough to cover receivers in that formation, so maybe they play a 4-2-5, and get another SS on the field? They say Bowles is creative on defense, so maybe he can figure it out, or maybe the new GM has to make other moves, either during or after the draft. Hey, how about getting Mettenberg from Tennessee, now that they have Mariota? Wilkerson for Mettenberg + Titans' 2016 1stR pick? Round 2 today. I'd like to see an OL or OLB, but they should still stick to BPA strategy.

Nymr83 May 01 2015 11:01 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

the 4-2-5 seems likely given the weakness as LB and that Bowles played the highest percentage of Dime in the league with ARZ last year. they also didn't pay 3 corners decent money to have 1 of them sit down. The biggest loser here seems to be Coples, we know he can't even fake covering anybody and there is no way he is on the field with 3, much less 2, linebackers out there.

Ashie62 May 03 2015 06:28 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Provides us with trade flexibility also.

Vic Sage May 04 2015 09:47 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

JETS DRAFT analysis: Round 1 (#6) - Leonard Williams/DT: Best player available ("Best player in the draft", say some). Does he make Wilkerson expendable? [A] Round 2 (#5) - Devin Smith/WR: Speedy receiver takes the top off the defense ("tracks the deep ball") and is a nice complement to Decker/Marshall/Kerley; also a good Special Teams player. Still the need here was for on OL or OLB, and Kikaha/OLB and Jake Fisher/OT were still on the board. time will tell. [B ] Round 3 (#18) - Lorenzo Mauldin/OLB: Jets trade back and get a relentless DE/OLB who can help with the pass rush ("high motor", "strong character"), but they may have waited too long to fill this need. If they had not traded back, Jaelen Strong/WR, Eli Herold/OLB and Garrett Grayson/QB were still on the board. Still, they got a a 5th and a 7th, and Devier Posey/WR from the Texans for trading back. They used the 5th on OL Harrison and traded the 7th to move up for QB Bryce Petty, so this was a very productive pick for them overall. [B ] Round 4 (#6) - Bryce Petty/QB: They were patient and didn't overdraft a QB, so they got Petty here, and he's a project but he's got the size and arm to be an NFL QB in a few years ("Petty might turn out to be the best passer in this draft class") [B ] Round 5 (#6) - Previously traded for Brandon Marshall and a 7thRpick [A] Round 5 (#16) - Jarvis Harrison/OG: They got this pick from Houston for trading down in the 3rdR. He's apparently got the talent and skills to be a good OG, but there are "motivation" and "fitness" issues (which i guess means he'll eat his way out of the league). [C] Round 6 (#5) - Previously traded to Seattle for Percy Harvin [D] Round 7 (#6) - Deion Simon/NT: old, injured, redundant, unnecessary [F] Round 7 (#7) - Pick from Chicago (that came with Brandon Marshall) traded to St.Louis for Zac Stacey/RB [A] Round 7 (#12) - Pick from Houston (for trading back in 3rdR) then traded to Jacksonville (for trading up in 4thR to get Petty) [A] Overall Grade: B+/A- An excellent draft for the new GM, going for best players available without reaching for need, and looking for upside in later rounds; also used late round picks to acquire established NFL players Marshall, Stacy and Posey. I'm as happy as a little girl! ^^, particularly in contrast with last year's draft debacle.

Vic Sage May 04 2015 11:52 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

The Jets sign 11 UDFAs: BYU [QB] Jake Heaps South Alabama [TE] Wes Saxton North Texas [OL] Antonio Johnson Lincoln University [DL] Davon Walls Tennessee [DE] Jordan Williams Penn State [DE] Deion Barnes Clarion [OLB] Julian Howsare Michigan State [LB] Taiwan Jones Duke [LB] David Helton Colorado [CB] Greg Henderson Syracuse [S] Durrell Eskridge They have also invited several players to mini-camp: Buffalo [G] Andre Davis UConn [OL] Alex Mateas Rutgers [C] Betim Bujari Wofford [LB] Kevin Thomas

Nymr83 May 04 2015 02:46 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

motivation issues has to be one of the last things you want to hear, but i guess its worth the 5th round. should have taken La'el Collins with that 7th rounder, if he gets cleared of involvement in the murde, does he really wanted to carry through on his threat to sit out a year? it would have been worth testing him on it as most 7th rounders are just training camp cuts anyway

d'Kong76 Jul 02 2015 01:30 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Sheldon Richardson caught schmoakin' da weed... four games in the box for him...

Frayed Knot Jul 02 2015 01:48 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Weed?!? You guys gave me stronger stuff just to get up for the game" [fimg=350]https://cdn2.thedissolve.com/articles/1436/detail.383ef61f.jpg[/fimg]

MFS62 Jul 02 2015 03:28 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

d'Kong76 wrote: Sheldon Richardson caught schmoakin' da weed... four games in the box for him... Yet the National Felons League just suspended a player for four games for a PED violation. Go figure. Later

Nymr83 Jul 02 2015 08:55 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

MFS62 wrote: d'Kong76 wrote: Sheldon Richardson caught schmoakin' da weed... four games in the box for him... Yet the National Felons League just suspended a player for four games for a PED violation. Go figure. Later Did they say Richardson was weed? i just saw "substance abuse policy"? if it was weed, fuck that guy. if it was PEDs, maybe the Jets knew something when they drafted Williams?

Vic Sage Jul 04 2015 07:05 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

its odd to think such a suspension wouldn't devastate the team's chances (such as they were) for next year, but with Wilkerson and Harrison still there, and now with Williams on board, and Coples still a better DE than an OLB, i think they'll be ok for 4 games. Or is that just wishful thinking? I can't tell anymore. But for some reason, with no objective evidence to support it, i'm continuously more optimistic and hopeful about the Jets than i am for any of my other teams. i wonder why that is. they've certainly never given me any reason to feel that way.

Nymr83 Jul 04 2015 09:39 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Vic Sage wrote: more optimistic and hopeful about the Jets than i am for any of my other teams. i wonder why that is. they've certainly never given me any reason to feel that way. Not being owned by the Wilpons or Dolans is a great way to look good

Vic Sage Jul 06 2015 08:54 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

I would generally agree that you should just go with the talent, but there are situations where i wouldnt because the guy will basically never get on the field. if the best players on the board are all defensive linemen then the "right" move is probably to try and trade down a few spots to maximize your value from the pick, not to take the lineman and watch him ride the bench And this is why you draft BPA. Bye, Shelly... Mr. Williams, c'mon down!

RealityChuck Jul 09 2015 06:18 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Vic Sage wrote: But for some reason, with no objective evidence to support it, i'm continuously more optimistic and hopeful about the Jets than i am for any of my other teams. i wonder why that is. they've certainly never given me any reason to feel that way. It's a trap! Don't fall for it!

Nymr83 Jul 30 2015 07:29 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Sheldon Richardson, already suspended for steroids, is really going for broke: -clocked driving at 143 MPH -fled police attempts to pull him over -marijuana in the car -loaded handgun under the driver's seat -with a 12 year old in the back seat I think I need to apologize to the Jets when I questioned their 1st round pick not filling a need. they knew what kind of guy Richardson is, they knew they WERE filling a need by drafting his replacement.

Frayed Knot Jul 30 2015 09:04 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 31 2015 05:25 AM

Nymr83 wrote: Sheldon Richardson, already suspended for steroids, is really going for broke: -clocked driving at 143 MPH -fled police attempts to pull him over -marijuana in the car -loaded handgun under the driver's seat -with a 12 year old in the back seat So let's see, we've got 'roids, speeding, evading, drugs, guns, and minors. Or, as many football players call it, Thursday.

Nymr83 Jul 30 2015 10:08 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Frayed Knot wrote: So let's see, we've got 'roids, spending, evading, drugs, guns, and minors. Or, as many football players call it, Thursday. LOL

d'Kong76 Jul 31 2015 10:36 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

- resisting arrest "I apologized to my teammates and my organization and It told them they don't have to worry about my name being in the news again," Richardson said of the drug suspension. Guess he has that short-term memory loss thing.

Ashie62 Jul 31 2015 08:28 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Shouldn't this guy lose his job if this happened as reported?

Vic Sage Aug 03 2015 03:09 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

if he sucked, he probably would. But he's among the best DLmen in the league, so no, he won't get "fired". he'll get suspended, get put into "counseling", then welcomed home with open arms and loving hearts.

MFS62 Aug 03 2015 09:15 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Vic Sage wrote: if he sucked, he probably would. But he's among the best DLmen in the league, so no, he won't get "fired". he'll get suspended, get put into "counseling", then welcomed home with open arms and loving hearts. His 4 game suspension is step 3 or 4 in the NFL process. The fact that he got the suspension means he already had counseling (one or two of the prior steps*). It apparently didn't help. Later *= as per ESPN Radio

Frayed Knot Aug 11 2015 11:56 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Geno Smith "sucker punched" by teammate; broken jaw, out six to ten weeks. (various sources)

d'Kong76 Aug 11 2015 11:57 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Holy CRAP: http://thejetsblog.com/nyjets/geno-smit ... cker-room/

themetfairy Aug 11 2015 12:36 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Maroons. Knuckleheads....

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 11 2015 12:55 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Jocks.

Vic Sage Aug 11 2015 01:20 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

I think i'm more disappointed by the loss of Enemkpali (who i think has real upside as a pass rusher) than i am by the loss of Geno (whose upside remains doubtful). SOJ

Fman99 Aug 11 2015 03:29 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

d'Kong76 Aug 11 2015 03:53 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Assault? Criminal charges? Oh, wait... it's the NFL.

Ceetar Aug 11 2015 03:55 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

I'd laugh, but i'm still looking for Pierre-Paul's other fingers.

Ashie62 Aug 11 2015 05:33 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

The Jets might get to see more of Bryce Petty, the rookie out of Baylor. For now its' Ryan Fitzpatrick. That might actually be a QB upgrade.

d'Kong76 Aug 11 2015 06:30 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

I can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading from Jets' fans on this. QB's wear a red shirt for a reason... handle with care, you don't assault them. Fans don't make fun of assault in hopes that the guy doesn't return. Unprecedented NFL event, and a dark sad day for half of Jets online Nation.

Edgy MD Aug 11 2015 09:05 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

I'm at my sister's, watching Ryan Fitzpatrick on TV right now. Strikes me as a man who has a lot of camouflage in his closet.

MFS62 Aug 11 2015 09:42 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Edgy MD wrote: I'm at my sister's, watching Ryan Fitzpatrick on TV right now. Strikes me as a man who has a lot of camouflage in his closet. As an NFL player, he's possibly trying to camouflage the fact that he went to an Ivy League school from his team mates. There are already on Jets pages saying the Jets might bring back Michael Vick. I definitely don't want Vick. Geno sat behind him before and apparently didn't learn much. Vick is a lefty thrower so the patterns, plays and even the blocking schemes are different. I'd rather he spend time on the bench watching a smart QB who is familiar with the system and is a righty thrower. Sitting behind and watching Fitzpatrick will aid Geno a lot. I don't want to rush Bryce Petty. If they have to bring in another QB, it should be a righty thrower. Later

Ashie62 Aug 12 2015 10:17 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Lets bring Johnny Manziel to town.

Vic Sage Aug 12 2015 12:50 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

d'Kong76 wrote: I can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading from Jets' fans on this. QB's wear a red shirt for a reason... handle with care, you don't assault them. Fans don't make fun of assault in hopes that the guy doesn't return. Unprecedented NFL event, and a dark sad day for half of Jets online Nation. No, of course fans should not be happy or approving that one of our guys got his face busted up (particularly off the field, for such a stupid reason). But of course fans make fun of assault in hopes that the guy doesn't return. That just shows the depths of the dissatisfaction most fans have with Geno. And fans make fun of everything; I have to make fun of it or the SOJ mantra will take control of my spirit and crush me like a bug. When your team has a Karma this predictably implosive, one laughs or one cries.

RealityChuck Aug 12 2015 01:13 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Question: who was the last NFL QB to have a perfect passer rating in a single game? Geno Smith. Now there are all sorts of asterisks involved with this, but the point is that Geno showed a flash of brilliance at the end of last season that means the team needs to see if it was a pure fluke. And the list of people who achieved the mark has far more successful QBs than flukes. So Smith deserves a good, solid look; the injury is going to deny that look (luckily, he should be able to stay sharp and practice). Smith still has a strong upside and designating him as the starter was the sensible move.

d'Kong76 Aug 12 2015 01:34 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Vic Sage wrote: No, of course fans should not be happy or approving that one of our guys got his face busted up (particularly off the field, for such a stupid reason). But of course fans make fun of assault in hopes that the guy doesn't return. That just shows the depths of the dissatisfaction most fans have with Geno. And fans make fun of everything; I have to make fun of it or the SOJ mantra will take control of my spirit and crush me like a bug. When your team has a Karma this predictably implosive, one laughs or one cries. I don't know what happens to guys that are just outright released and what that means for their future. But, a day later, I was going to joke before that it would be funny if the Patriots somehow pick up Enemkpali and he flourishes in Jet-face-punching glory. That would be SOJ/Pats....

dgwphotography Aug 12 2015 02:51 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

...and Enemkpali has been claimed by Buffalo: http://www.pro32.ap.org/article/ap-sour ... fter-punch

Vic Sage Aug 12 2015 02:52 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Rex Ryan just picked up IK. Hah! How much does Rex want to tweak the Jets to do that? And how annoyed by Geno was he that he felt like rewarding the guy that just took Geno out? It can't just be for personnel reasons, since Buffalo has a D that is expected to be devastating. IK probably won't even make the roster. This feels like a big FU to the new regime. God, i love Rex.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 13 2015 11:36 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Right? I thought I remembered something about this, so I double-checked, and yeah, I don't mean to question anyone's toughness (especially regarding crumple-zone-less-skull injury), but I just thought it interesting that rookie Bryce Petty played a college game or two last year with a broken back.

Vic Sage Sep 14 2015 12:40 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

In order to go 16-0, the Jets had to first win game 1. So far, so good. Speaking of good... [u:yx0h2sdq]Good things:[/u:yx0h2sdq] - Brandon Marshall pulling an interception right out of the Safety's hands, then making alot of big catches; - Calvin Pryor hitting alot of people hard, including knocking McCown out of the game; - Owusu is catching on fast; - Ivory is an unstoppable load; - Marcus Williams continues to look like a professional CB that we picked up for free at a garage sale; - Big Daddy Wilkerson doing what he do; - few penalties, no turnovers, many takeaways (i.e., playing like a good team); - Fitz wasn't terrible, which was good; and - Manziel played like he was clueless, which was even better. [u:yx0h2sdq]Bad things:[/u:yx0h2sdq] - Fitz throwing it right to the Cleveland safety, when Jets were already down 7-0; - Cleveland was leading 10-7 until 2min were left in the half, thanks to a 50+ yard bomb from Manziel, plus lots of positive scrambles; - Didn't Kerley used to be a WR on this team? Is he in the witness protection program? - We've apparently decided to play without any TEs, which might be a problem at some point; - If you're going to blitz DBs that much, they might consider, you know, sacking somebody; [u:yx0h2sdq]Ugly things:[/u:yx0h2sdq] - Mauldin getting carried off on a stretcher, Cro getting hurt without getting hit; - Mangold's shotgun snap missed by Fitz, bouncing down to the 4 yard line; - the return of Fireman Ed; and - every other team in the AFC east won, too.

RealityChuck Sep 14 2015 01:14 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Ugly things: The Browns' uniforms. Really. Normally I don't care about such things, and think that Uniwatch is one of the dumbest websites out there. But really, what the hell are they doing with that?

Lefty Specialist Sep 15 2015 06:22 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

RealityChuck wrote: Ugly things: The Browns' uniforms. Really. Normally I don't care about such things, and think that Uniwatch is one of the dumbest websites out there. But really, what the hell are they doing with that? Boy, yes. I was trying to adjust the color on my set. Those were some powerfully ugly uniforms. Kevin Costner would never have allowed that if he was still running the Browns.

Ashie62 Sep 15 2015 12:09 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Was Fireman Ed in full mascot mode?

Nymr83 Sep 15 2015 08:41 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

i didnt get a chance to come here after the game Sunday because of the Jewish holiday things were hectic, but wow what a gamw, felt really good. also feels good to be catching up on the news tonight and seeing Aboushi was cut. fuck you! hope you never play again! I'm ok with the Cromaryie injury, the way he looked early i feel like he is losing steps fast and while that worked for guys like Champ Bailey it wont work for him. he is too prone to getting beat and then making up for it with his pursuit speed, but he doesnt have that speed anymore. i actually dont think he lasts the year as a "starter" whether hurt or not. the bold below is mine inside vic's post... In order to go 16-0, the Jets had to first win game 1. So far, so good. Speaking of good... Good things: - Brandon Marshall pulling an interception right out of the Safety's hands, then making alot of big catches; it was huge, he was playing like "i'm the biggest baddest fucker out her and i have the will to win!" Brandon and not "I'm going to cry about my QB" Brandon. this needs to keep up. - Calvin Pryor hitting alot of people hard, including knocking McCown out of the game; loved it, not quite Lewis hitting Bledsoe, but good hard hits, the addition of Gilchrist has freed Pryor up to fulfill his true role of in-the-box safety when needed. - Owusu is catching on fast; - Ivory is an unstoppable load; he is my favorite player now, i just love a good trucking running back - Marcus Williams continues to look like a professional CB that we picked up for free at a garage sale; we tried enough trash out last season, it was nice that one of them stuck - Big Daddy Wilkerson doing what he do; - few penalties, no turnovers, many takeaways (i.e., playing like a good team); - Fitz wasn't terrible, which was good; and thats what he is here to do, be un-Geno-like - Manziel played like he was clueless, which was even better. he was bad, but i actually thought his running ability gave them more than McClown did since David Harris isnt going to stop a QB from going anywhere he wants when the pass rushers dont contain him Bad things: - Fitz throwing it right to the Cleveland safety, when Jets were already down 7-0; the other side of this - i'd rather see bad throws when you are DOWN than see them when you are UP, they sat on a lead nicely once they had one, something the Jets have done poorly under some previous regimes - Cleveland was leading 10-7 until 2min were left in the half, thanks to a 50+ yard bomb from Manziel, plus lots of positive scrambles; Cromartie got abused badly on that throw, and thats why i'm not too concerned with his injury - Didn't Kerley used to be a WR on this team? Is he in the witness protection program? - We've apparently decided to play without any TEs, which might be a problem at some point; - If you're going to blitz DBs that much, they might consider, you know, sacking somebody; Ugly things: - Mauldin getting carried off on a stretcher, Cro getting hurt without getting hit; - Mangold's shotgun snap missed by Fitz, bouncing down to the 4 yard line; - the return of Fireman Ed; and get lost frontrunner. i really hate that anyone in the media is giving this guy coverage - every other team in the AFC east won, too.

Vic Sage Sep 16 2015 08:41 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Vic/Nymr similarity score = 99 (Gastineau's number)

Elster88 Sep 21 2015 09:17 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Football.

Nymr83 Sep 21 2015 10:15 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

YEAHHHHHH BABY#!! * *analysis to follow when soberer

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 22 2015 12:56 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

[Trying to tamp down nascent football-rection until after pennant race is over]

Lefty Specialist Sep 22 2015 07:04 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: [Trying to tamp down nascent football-rection until after pennant race is over] This. Can't focus on football yet while there's a pennant (or more) to win.

Fman99 Sep 22 2015 08:32 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Yabbut AMISH RIFLE

Ashie62 Sep 22 2015 08:23 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Coach Bowles announces that Fitzpatrick will be the QB when Geno Smith returns. Will be watching for Geno to be traded for a 6th round pick.

Frayed Knot Sep 22 2015 08:25 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Ashie62 wrote: Will be watching for Geno to be traded for a 6th round pick. Or for RGIII

d'Kong76 Sep 22 2015 08:35 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Good move by Bowles heading off all questions looming in the next few weeks. They're surprisingly 2-0, focus on the Eagles. Last thing they need is QB controversy, real or in the media. I also don't think Geno is washed up as a Jet, but we can chew on that another time.

d'Kong76 Oct 02 2015 09:18 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

I forgot the Jets are in London this week against the Fishsticks (1-2). Start time is like 9:30am here.

Vic Sage Oct 02 2015 01:00 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

i hope the running game wakes up on time in London, cuz it sure as hell overslept in Philly. Maybe they downed too many cheese steaks and went into a food coma.

d'Kong76 Oct 02 2015 07:13 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Well, by most reports Ivory should play and play a lot.

Nymr83 Oct 04 2015 12:58 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

I suprisingly liked the 930 start! The dolphins looked absolutely pitiful, the only thing keeping them in the game were the zebras, who seemed to have been instructed to do anything to keep the nfls international exposition close with all those lame calls.

MFS62 Oct 04 2015 03:02 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

I guess the reason they took those 350 rolls of toilet paper with them is because they really gave a crap about this game. Later

d'Kong76 Oct 04 2015 03:26 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Nymr83 wrote: I suprisingly liked the 930 start! The dolphins looked absolutely pitiful, the only thing keeping them in the game were the zebras, who seemed to have been instructed to do anything to keep the nfls international exposition close with all those lame calls. I liked it too. They looked very good at times. The penalties were just ridiculous. I don't know the number, but the yards penalized was approaching TWO hundred yards I think. I took a shower at half time. Came down stairs and cracked a beer and the look my wife gave me was pretty funny. Hey, the second half is about to start NOW!!!

Ashie62 Oct 05 2015 04:00 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

They look good. Please stay healthy Fitz.

d'Kong76 Oct 18 2015 12:19 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Frayed Knot Oct 18 2015 01:15 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Works both ways though. In the 2nd half Kirk Cousins is throwing the ball to the Jets like they're ... well, his cousins.

d'Kong76 Oct 18 2015 01:17 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

What a difference "15 minutes" makes!

Elster88 Oct 18 2015 02:54 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

There aren't that many good teams in the AFC. Leaving the Jets out of it I figure the Patriots, Bengals, Steelers, and Broncos are the only good teams in the entire conference.

Nymr83 Oct 19 2015 07:53 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Elster88 wrote: There aren't that many good teams in the AFC. Leaving the Jets out of it I figure the Patriots, Bengals, Steelers, and Broncos are the only good teams in the entire conference. The Broncos defense looks good but Peyton looks VERY pedestrian right now and this is early in the season before the typical Dec slowdown he has experienced the last couople of years. I think they've got some losses coming. Patriots are definitely in "fuck you mode" right now. Meanwhile the Jets just look awesome! Decker and Marshall need to tuck theball away, but that was really the only flaw on offense yesterday as Fitz hit his throws when he needed to and Chris Ivory gashed a very tough Washington run defense on the ground (the only problem was the times they handed the ball to Powell, Powell is just not a good runner from behind the line, his role is 3rd down to catch the ball out of the backfield or block blitzers) I'd like to see Zac Stacy in the traditional backup and garbage time role. defensively, almost everything looks good. 17 carries for 34 yard! suckittt!!!!! you dont run on the jets. you dont throw downfield on the jets. the only weakness is those fuking wheel routes out of the backfield, the longterm answer there is probably going to be replacing Pace and/or Coples with someone who can actually handle coverage duties special teams need to get their shit together. a blocked punt plus your kicker getting run into twice more is a huge a failure. edit - by the way, Jets mauling the fuck out of someone at 1pm, a few quick errands at 4, and then the Mets winning a playoff game at 8 is a pretty great Sunday!

MFS62 Oct 25 2015 03:12 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Crap! So they beat the spread. Big deal. I'm getting tired of moral victories against the Pats. How about kicking their ass for a change, guys? Later

d'Kong76 Oct 25 2015 04:19 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Namath sold his soul, things won't change until it's collected. Pat's coach and QB retiring wouldn't hurt either

Nymr83 Oct 26 2015 09:31 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

MFS62 wrote: Crap! So they beat the spread. Big deal. I'm getting tired of moral victories against the Pats. How about kicking their ass for a change, guys? Later i found the backdoor cover hilarious though. i always love to see gambling get screwed with by meaningless points

d'Kong76 Oct 26 2015 10:56 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Gronkowski's still open!

Nymr83 Nov 01 2015 02:34 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

geno is in. Fuck Fuck Fuck.

d'Kong76 Nov 01 2015 04:18 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Geno ain't sucking it on D; missing tackles, getting blown away on the line, giving up touchdown passes etc.

MFS62 Nov 01 2015 05:57 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Much was written about how they planned for almost a year for their trip to London. (Remember they even took their toilet paper) It looked like they planned about seventeen seconds for their trip top Oakland. Later

Vic Sage Nov 06 2015 12:21 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

It seems like Revis Island has become Bikini Island, getting nuked with some regularity. He's not the same guy anymore. Still good, but not great. And Carr to Cooper is going to be a pair that haunts the dreams of the AFC West for years to come.

Nymr83 Nov 08 2015 08:37 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Jets didnt look particularly good on Offense today, they are a whole different team when Mangold goes to the sideline. The defense made a bunch of key plays including the turnovers, but they stilllet the Jaguars march down the field in a 2 minute drill in about 30 seconds? not good. the Rex Ryan Revenge Tour comes to town on Thursday, with barely any time to get healthy

Vic Sage Nov 09 2015 01:49 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

unimpressive D against the Jags, and only their turnovers (which were more about their bad plays than exceptional plays by the Jets) allowed the Jets to hold on for the win. Mangold is an all-pro center, and now that he's starting to break down, our running game is disappearing. We still have Marshall/Decker tandem, and Fitz had done ok getting the ball to them, but Ivory has been totally shut down and the Jets can't win consistently through the air. And the D has to pick it up. The loss of Pryor, the bad play of Cromartie, and the return to Earth of Revis, have all put more pressure on the front 7 and they haven't stood up to it. I liked the way the rookie, Mauldin, played and would like to see him take Coples spot. Coples is proving to be a bust. And Marcus Williams has been an invaluable and cheap pickup at CB. But wither McDougle? is he even on the roster?

Vic Sage Nov 12 2015 02:49 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Bills at Jets tonight on a short week. Rex makes Imkpali a captain for the coin flip! what a douchey move. Boles should send Geno out for the coin flip with a check for $600 and a pair of brass knuckles.

d'Kong76 Nov 12 2015 03:17 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 12 2015 06:44 PM

Rex needs to go into professional wrestling next. I've heard and read he's largely lost his locker room already.

d'Kong76 Nov 12 2015 06:43 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Do the Jets have a head coach?

MFS62 Nov 12 2015 09:51 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 13 2015 07:26 AM

Crap! Losing hurts. Losing to a team coached by Rex hurts worse. Later

Nymr83 Nov 12 2015 09:54 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

tonight sucked, mostly because the loss came from really bad turnovers (particularly the kickoff fumble) and really bad play-calling - how many times are you going to throw 3 yards down field on 3rd or 4th and 5? find a receiver past the marker and at least give yourselves a shot. also the jets were running well in the 2nd half but elected to throw on a 3rd and 2 and then again on 4th and 2... if you know you are going for it on 4th you should run it on 3rd for sure. then after the fumbled punt Ivory gains 8, no gain, and then twice to the fucking air again... RUN THE FUCKING FOOTBALL IN THESE SPOTS

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 12 2015 10:31 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Todd Bowles seems to be thinking through these game situations on the fly, with little instinctive feel for what to do. At least he's progressed to the point where he, like, doesn't punt on 4th down, down two scores, in the opponent's half of the field.

d'Kong76 Nov 13 2015 07:04 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

3-13 on 3rd and 1-3 on 4th downs, with four turnovers isn't too inspiring. Bills were just as bad on third down conversions. Fitzy to get surgery on that hand so it's Geno next Sunday, I know how much that excites some gang green fans!! Nothing personal, but there are times when they show Bowles on the sideline I'd kinda like to slap him. (not that I'm violent that way)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 13 2015 07:26 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

d'Kong76 wrote: Nothing personal, but there are times when they show Bowles on the sideline I'd kinda like to slap him. (not that I'm violent that way) I know exactly what you mean. It's that weird, tight, stress-reaction smile. Where Rex was like the jolly/terrible asshole uncle over there, Bowles looks like the uptight, humorless in-law who thinks you're all terrible but will never tell you what he really thinks about anything because he was "raised better than that."

dgwphotography Nov 13 2015 07:30 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Whoever designed those uniforms needs an eye exam. Those were the ugliest things I've seen this side of the Mets camo jerseys...

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 13 2015 09:01 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Yeah that was disgusting. Every bit as bad as the monocrome look, was that terrible reflective-chrome look on the helmet decals. Just putrid. When are sports team going to hep to the fact that matte finishes are the way to go?

Vic Sage Nov 13 2015 09:25 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

every time i see Mike Westhoff on SNY post-game, i remember what a great special teams coach he was, and how awful our ST has been since he left. Its cost us games this year. Westy wouldn't criticize the ST coach, talking only about bonehead players, turnovers and the lack of quality personnel, which are all true, but whoever the ST guy is now, he sucks.

Nymr83 Nov 13 2015 10:03 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Vic Sage wrote: every time i see Mike Westhoff on SNY post-game, i remember what a great special teams coach he was, and how awful our ST has been since he left. Its cost us games this year. Westy wouldn't criticize the ST coach, talking only about bonehead players, turnovers and the lack of quality personnel, which are all true, but whoever the ST guy is now, he sucks. yeah, wish he was still here

Ashie62 Nov 13 2015 03:56 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Jets had GOLDEN opportunity at the end and could not convert.

MFS62 Nov 22 2015 02:49 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Wow! That was terrible. Can one of their receivers actually catch a pass for a change? And can the offensive line try to keep the quarterback upright or untouched? And can that vaunted (by the press earlier in the year) defensive line put an opposing quarterback in a prone position more than once a game? You know, that opposing quarterback who hadn't started an NFL game since, what? George Halas was coaching? This is depressing. Later

Lefty Specialist Nov 22 2015 06:06 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Another year of SOJ. It gets tiring after 47 years or so.

d'Kong76 Nov 22 2015 06:47 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

I didn't watch the whole game, but jeez there seemed to be an awful lot of dropped catches where the receiver had two hands on the ball. Maybe the Jets need to get a new stickum dealer.

Nymr83 Nov 22 2015 07:22 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

today sucked. it fucking sucked a lot. Fitzgerald hit 3 or 4 deep throws on the money only to have the receiver drop them all. Devin Smith is a drop-machine. Marshall makes some great plays but he does not have sure hands either. and the defense? what the fuck. TJ Fucking Yates? seriously? if the Jets want to be the top tier defense they say they are they need to hold shitbags like this to 14 points or less

Fman99 Nov 22 2015 08:53 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Crud.

Nymr83 Nov 23 2015 09:56 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Bowles is an idiot. he actually blamed Fitzpatrick for the two INTs - news flash asshole! the first one came on 4th and 5 when you, the idiot head coach, actually should have punted. further more, because it was 4th down, forcing the ball to a receiver is actually a BETTER move than throwing it away in that spot. the interception IMPROVES the Jets' field position versus an incomplete pass and turnover on downs.

Nymr83 Nov 23 2015 10:12 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Quinton Coples, 2012 1st Round BUST was just CUT.

Nymr83 Nov 23 2015 07:07 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

I don't often say nice things about the Patriots - but kudos to Robert Kraft for tonight's moment of silence for Ezra Schwartz, the American teenager murdered by palestinian terrorists in Israel.

Vic Sage Nov 24 2015 03:05 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

You'd think a receiving corps with that many drops could find a place for an exceptional possession receiver like Kerley. Also, while Coples has sucked, the Jets have played him out of position since they drafted him. I wouldn't be surprised to see him excel with another team that uses him as a speed-rushing DE in a 4-3 defense. I also wouldn't be surprised if he was out of football in another year or 2, but a guy with his size and speed should get another chance somewhere. I had my doubts about Bowles from the outset, but when you're outcoached by Rex, you're really not ready for prime time. His in-game time management and decision-making consistently infuriate me. And what happened to that vaunted Bowles Defense? We've gotten beat by QBs named Yates and Tyrod Taylor the last 2 weeks, making them look like superbowl QBs. Revis and Cromartie, Act II, is a show that is getting bad reviews. And Bilal Powell has been in on twice as many plays as Ivory -- what's wrong with THAT picture?

Nymr83 Nov 24 2015 07:39 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Well I think Ivory was hurt, I read somewhere that he hurt his knee on the first play this week - that was always the knock on him in New Orleans - if you try to use him too much he gets banged up all the time. I LOVE the guy's running style and want him back next year, but the Jets' need to keep his health in mind when stocking the team with unimpressive backups. I've said it before about Coples, he just isnt a linebacker. in retrospect he was a terrible pick for a 3-4 defense and really even when Bowles goes 4-3 he doesn't fit with Richardson-Harrison-Wilkerson-Williams other than on 3rd and long with Harrison out of there for a pass rusher. On the plus side I can't imagine Mauldin or Henderson being worse in coverage and coverage by linebackers is a big area of concern. they're probably better pass-rushers standing up as well. the only thing you likely lose is a little run defense, which is the one thing the Jets have to spare. Kerley? I don't know, he should definitely be playing over Devin "drops" Smith at this point but i do like Enunwa. they go to 5 wide or even 4 wide with a RB so often though that he should really be getting on the field anyway.

RealityChuck Nov 25 2015 12:56 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Lefty Specialist wrote: Another year of SOJ. It gets tiring after 47 years or so. The Jets' commitment to mediocrity over the years is awe-inspiring.

Nymr83 Dec 04 2015 10:05 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Revis officially ruled Out for Sunday, his somewhat capable replacement Williams is Doubtful, and Cromartie is listed is Terrible. Beckham is going to be running wild in the secondary.

MFS62 Dec 04 2015 08:27 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Nymr83 wrote: Revis officially ruled Out for Sunday, his somewhat capable replacement Williams is Doubtful, and Cromartie is listed is Terrible. Beckham is going to be running wild in the secondary. The only way to stop him is to put Eli in a prone position - twitching. I hope it happens early and often. Later

MFS62 Dec 06 2015 03:11 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

I'll be wearing my Jets gear tomorrow, for a few reasons: 1) I have been wearing a Jets hat for a few weeks. Tomorrow, I'll wear the jacket, too. 2) I'll be proud that they won, especially because of the team they beat. 3) to piss off the fans of that other team. I love it when a plan comes together. Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 06 2015 04:32 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

I'll take it. 3-1 from here on in takes the wild card, probably. Playing like this probably won't get them there, though.

Nymr83 Dec 06 2015 07:49 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

(edit - if one of the mods can remove all that whitespace above my table, please do) a win is a win and unhappy Giants fans only make it sweeter. Playoffs? its a tough road.... a few assumptions to keep my math from getting too crazy: 1. Houston could overtake Indy for the AFC South, which actually helps the Jets since they have a H2H loss to Houston and a H2H win on the Colts, but for arguments' sake lets give the Patriots, Bengals, Broncos and Colts the win in their divisions that they currently lead and concentrate on the current wild card teams. 2. I'm counting out 5-7 Miami, they are technically alive but its just not worth the added effort because even a 2-2 Jets team wins the tiebreaker over them if they go 4-0, anything worse than a 2-2 Jets team loses anyway. 3. Pittsburgh beats Indy tonight, just because I'd rather start with all teams having played 12 games *"Key" Win/Losses below refers to against the other teams with wild card hopes CHIEFS 7-5 TEXANS, STEELERS NONE 6-2 CHARGERS, RAVENS, BROWNS, RAIDERS They have the best chance at running the table and likely will beat the Jets out on Conference record even if both teams go 10-6 or 9-7. JETS 7-5 NONE BILLS, TEXANS 5-4 TITANS, COWBOYS,PATRIOTS, BILLS STEELERS 7-5 NONE CHIEFS 4-4 BENGALS, BRONCOS, RAVENS, BROWNS 3-1 OR 2-2 SEEMS LIKELY BILLS 6-6 JETS, TEXANS CHIEFS 6-5 Eagles, Cowboys, Redskins, Jets THE EAGLES LOOKED GOOD TODAY AND I HOPE THEY CLEAN REX'S CLOCK NEXT WEEK. WEEK 17 IN ORCHARD PARK COULD GET MOVED TO 8PM BY THE NFL AS A DEFACTO PLAY-IN GAME. TEXANS 6-6 JETS BILLS 4-4 PATRIOTS, COLTS, TITANS, JAGUARS ROOTING FOR THE PATRIOTS IS GOING TO HURT, BUT IF THE TEXANS WIN NEXT WEEK THAT COULD COOK THE JETS PLAYOFF HOPES. If everything goes the way I think it will: -the 1st spot is easiest as the Chiefs finish 3-1 to go 10-6 and take the first wildcard on the basis of Conference Record over everyone. the 2nd spot gets difficult: -the Bills lose to the Eagles but win 2 to enter Week 17 at 8-7... -the Steelers go 9-7, with 10-6 possible. -the Texans lose to the Patriots and win their other games to go 9-7. -the Jets lose to the Patriots and enter week 17 at 9-6 The Jets play the Bills to determine a playoff spot, but maybe not their own... despite the better record, the Jets need the win.. a jet loss means they split the season and have the same division record. the Bills end up 1 game better in the Conference. -A Bills win means the 9-7 Bills beat out the Texans (H2H), lose to the Steelers (if they win 10) or beat the Steelers on Conference Record if the Steelers win 9. -A Jets win means the Jets either make the playoffs outright as the 2nd 10 win team (with the Chiefs) or they need the tiebreaker against Pittsburgh. both teams would likely have 5 conference losses at this point and a 10-6 Jets team misses the playoffs based on "record vs common opponents" and the NY tabloids lose their editorial minds. So in the end i think the Jets MUST go 3-1 at a minimum and that loss can't be Buffalo (if they somehow beat new england but lose to dallas that would be ideal for tiebreakers, but it seems far-fetched).

Fman99 Dec 06 2015 09:34 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

So, what you're saying is, Let's Go Jets? I can get behind that kind of logic.

MFS62 Dec 07 2015 07:46 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Somewhere, Scott Norwood must be smiling. Later

Lefty Specialist Dec 08 2015 09:26 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Gah. Too complicated. Just win, and we'll figure it out later.

Nymr83 Dec 08 2015 09:58 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

even if the Jets go 11-5, they could still miss the playoffs on tiebreakers if the Chiefs and Steelers win out as well.

d'Kong76 Dec 08 2015 10:06 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Nymr83 wrote: even if the Jets go 11-5, they could still miss the playoffs on tiebreakers if the Chiefs and Steelers win out as well. Not likely they run the table, but that scenario would be a huge pile of manure to ingest.

Ashie62 Dec 13 2015 11:51 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

The Jets are about to go 8-5. I am ecstatic. Oh, that Eric Decker guy is awesome.

Nymr83 Dec 13 2015 06:02 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

today was awesome.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 13 2015 08:54 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

It's nice taking care of the punching bags in such thorough fashion. Things get more challenging from here, though.

Fman99 Dec 20 2015 06:49 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Talk about an ugly win, yeesh.

MFS62 Dec 20 2015 07:31 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Fman99 wrote: Talk about an ugly win, yeesh. I want to say "a win is a win is a win". But that WAS ugly. Later

d'Kong76 Dec 20 2015 08:16 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

So, let's go Ravens today!? (need a Chiefs loss, and to keep winning)

Fman99 Dec 20 2015 09:12 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

A Denver win over Pittsburgh would help too.

d'Kong76 Dec 20 2015 06:25 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Thank you Baltimore and Denver. For nothing.

Nymr83 Dec 20 2015 06:55 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

d'Kong76 wrote: So, let's go Ravens today!? (need a Chiefs loss, and to keep winning) No, we probably want the Chiefs to take the AFC West from the Broncos, since we would hold a tie-breaker over the Broncos

d'Kong76 Dec 20 2015 07:04 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Pats next, probably won't matter.

Nymr83 Dec 21 2015 06:59 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

d'Kong76 wrote: Pats next, probably won't matter. if the Chiefs win the West and the Broncos lose both games (Cincy and SD) Jets could get in with a win vs Buffalo.

MFS62 Dec 21 2015 07:30 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

d'Kong76 wrote: Thank you Baltimore and Denver. For nothing. Players from Denver choke on thicker atmosphere. Later

d'Kong76 Dec 21 2015 07:46 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Namor all over it like Jay Glazer! Thanks.

Elster88 Dec 22 2015 07:16 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Denver at least is now added to the list of teams we can overtake. If the Jets beat the Patriots......And any of KC, Pittsburgh or Denver lose......Then the Jets control their own destiny in week 17, i.e. beat Rex and make the playoffs. Course beating the Patriots is challenge enough. Almost beat them in week 6 or whatever it was, but still. Edit: just read Nymr's post. I'm pretty sure if Denver loses just one we control our destiny. If they lose one and everyone else in that list wins their last two then all four teams are 11-5 and Denver is odd-man-out.

Nymr83 Dec 22 2015 11:40 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

you are correct and i mis-typed that. if the Jets win-out they need one of SIX games to go in their favor to make the playoffs - a loss for any of Denver, Pittsburgh, or Kansas City.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 23 2015 07:14 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

A loss to the Pats is a practical death knell, though, methinks. This is where stuff like the Texans loss stings.

Nymr83 Dec 23 2015 11:34 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: A loss to the Pats is a practical death knell, though, methinks. This is where stuff like the Texans loss stings. a loss to the Pats only works if Pitt or KC lose both games, so yeah it would be over. The Jets are not making the playoffs at 10-6.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 27 2015 02:07 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Wow. Good call on the coin flip, Pats.

d'Kong76 Dec 27 2015 02:19 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Makes up for all the times they cheated on coin flips!

Nymr83 Dec 27 2015 02:27 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

the Jets got their help and won. a win next week means an 11-5 playoff team! most likely a 6 seed against a beatable Texans team! gotta beat those Bills first!

Frayed Knot Dec 27 2015 06:27 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

So apparently the deal is: - win vs Beefalo and they're in or lose and get in via [u:4yrzkktc]EITHER[/u:4yrzkktc]: - Steelers losing vs Browns [u:4yrzkktc]AND/OR[/u:4yrzkktc] - Broncos losing twice: once to Bengals on Monday (12/28) AND again to Chargers on Sunday (1/3) Me thinks Mr. Belichek outsmarted himself with the coin toss decision.

Nymr83 Dec 27 2015 08:25 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Frayed Knot wrote: So apparently the deal is: - win vs Beefalo and they're in [crossout]or lose and get in via EITHER: - Steelers losing vs Browns AND/OR - Broncos losing twice: once to Bengals on Monday (12/28) AND again to Chargers on Sunday (1/3)[/crossout] fuck that shit. WIN AND GET IN, i don't even want to hear about help! Me thinks Mr. Belichek outsmarted himself with the coin toss decision. Belichek is a dick to a lot of people, but not his players. i think the player who called the coin toss fucked up an Belichek is covering his ass

Fman99 Dec 27 2015 08:28 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Big win for the green guys today. Me so happy. Hopefully we take the Bills out to the woodshed next weekend and punch our ticket to the big dance.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 27 2015 08:43 PM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

You know Rex would sacrifice, like, a kidney to knock the GreenPlanes out of the playoffs. I like this team's chances against pretty much anybody in the AFC, save Pittsburgh maybe (and that won't likely be an issue).

Frayed Knot Dec 28 2015 06:19 AM Re: Jets Thread: 2015 Edition

Belichek is a dick to a lot of people, but not his players. i think the player who called the coin toss fucked up an Belichek is covering his ass Except that several other coaches have gone with the same strategy nor, from what I've heard, is this the first time Belichek himself has done so. Seems like an odd choice to me and whatever the results have been so far seems to be too small a sample size to base further decisions on, but coaches must believe that there is at least occasionally some benefit to kicking-off in OT. oe: Although looking now at a replay of it (I wasn't watching live) it does appear that the Pats were a bit confused out there. I remember Joe Klecko screwing up a coin flip once (a game-opener, not an OT one) on one of those windy Meadowlands days where which side you choose to defend can be more important than getting the ball. When the Jets won the toss Captain Joe, assuming that if he chooses side then the other team will choose to receive, told the ref 'we want to kick and defend that goal'. But the ref told him that you can only choose one or the other so he has to go with the first thing Klecko said which was 'Kick'; at that point he turned to the other side and gave them choice of which goal they want to defend. So the Jets wound up with the rare feat of winning the coin toss but getting neither the ball nor their choice of direction.