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Enbiggen Me

Edgy MD Jan 19 2015 01:28 PM

Mets stop the insanity, going to work on a bigger, better scoreboard.

Ceetar Jan 19 2015 01:36 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

I like it. 1.5 million pixels!

Mets Guy in Michigan Jan 19 2015 01:41 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

I like it!

Edgy MD Jan 19 2015 01:45 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

Ceetar wrote: Wright in 2014 batting .307 with 14 homers? THIS IS A SCOREBOARD OF LIES!!

Edgy MD Jan 19 2015 01:49 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

Already decried as a marketing blunder.

SteveJRogers Jan 19 2015 03:07 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

To be fair, this is something that could have waited until closer to Opening Day to be announced. The Mets PR and marketing staff do have a history of seemingly living in a vacuum. Yes I know no one should care about what other teams are announcing or doing the same particular day as whatever banal thing you are rolling out, but at the same time they should notice that the online/electronic (callers to radio and television talk shows) fanbase has become notoriously angry, bitter and hostile over the last decade of futility, that they should realize they'd get hit for something like this being rolled out around the same time as a division rival landing a major signing while their franchise is sitting on their hands for most of the offseason. Granted you can debate all you want about the merits of making moves for the sake of making moves, but it still looks kind of petty and shows an alarming lack of self awareness by the Mets staff. I mean to show you how negative the online fanbase has gotten, clearly Pedro Martinez did not have an online presence, or listened to WFAN/1050ESPN at all during his time in New York, and clearly hasn't been following the NL East since leaving the game in 2009, as he said that Met fans are more accepting and keep hoping for the best, which got got responses of "Pedro hates us! FUCK PEDRO! FUCK HIM UP HIS STUPID ASS" by the media and social media. As if Pedro said Met fans are accepting of the shit the Mets have been giving their fans since he left.

Edgy MD Jan 19 2015 03:16 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

How is the Mets staff being petty? When exactly should they have announced this? Do you really think I need to be shown how negative the online fanbase has gotten?

d'Kong76 Jan 19 2015 03:18 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

We got Cuddyer, and stadium video upgrade!!

Gwreck Jan 19 2015 03:20 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

Edgy MD wrote: Already decried as a marketing blunder I'm not linking to that article because I think it's silly. I am fully capable of focusing on the positive here. The Mets are fixing an error with their scoreboard: that's good. It doesn't detract from other shortcomings in the team, but I can still be happy when they do something good. The lack of a playoff-caliber roster is a totally separate issue.

Lefty Specialist Jan 19 2015 03:31 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

"Sorry Dillon, it was either you or an upgraded scoreboard."

Zvon Jan 19 2015 03:48 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

d'Kong76 wrote: We got Cuddyer, and stadium video upgrade!! In a nutshell.

d'Kong76 Jan 19 2015 03:54 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

I read somewhere that condiment station upgrades may be on the horizon for 2016!

batmagadanleadoff Jan 19 2015 03:58 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

Odds are better than even that the Mets'll fuck this up. I mean, if they're claiming 62% more display screen space, then there's probably gonna be at least 88% more advertising, as well.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 19 2015 04:06 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Odds are better than even that the Mets'll fuck this up. I mean, if they're claiming 62% more display screen space, then there's probably gonna be at least 88% more advertising, as well. OK. I see what they're proposing. They're essentially replacing those vertical Cholula ads that bookended the old scoreboard with new scoreboard real estate. Color me not so impressed. It's still gonna look cluttered and overwhelmed with advertising. It's still gonna be an adboard instead of a scoreboard, as far as I'm concerned, if those illustrations are anywhere near accurate.

SteveJRogers Jan 19 2015 04:12 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

Edgy MD wrote: How is the Mets staff being petty? When exactly should they have announced this? Do you really think I need to be shown how negative the online fanbase has gotten? It looks petty because like I said, it is like the Mets are in some sort of vacuum where they are the only team doing anything of note. Its the type of news that can be put out any time before the season started, and did it have to have a formal press release? I'm not justifying the reaction, but at the same time, the Mets seem to have a mentality that the angry part of the fanbase doesn't exist, or they fall on the "who cares, hater gonna hate" way of fan relations.

d'Kong76 Jan 19 2015 04:19 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

They couldn't possibly make the Cholula (el Pabst Blue Ribbon del hot sauces) ads any bigger!!

Edgy MD Jan 19 2015 04:30 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

I'm going to cry for the love of all that is reasonable and thoughtful. For these things have died. Steve has killed them.

SteveJRogers Jan 19 2015 05:12 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

Edgy MD wrote: I'm going to cry for the love of all that is reasonable and thoughtful. For these things have died. Steve has killed them. FWIW, Hannibal Buress was not the first comic to bring up the rape allegations against Bill Cosby, but because his recent comments went viral, combined with that "Meme Me" Cosby Twitter fiasco like what, a week later when it was still simmering, THAT is when shit got real. The point is, YES, keeping eye on social media trends within a fanbase population should be a factor in non-on the field related marketing and press relations. Fans are angry that the Mets are projected to once again provide a middle of the road team, while the division winner just signed the biggest contract of the winter, things might get messy if you roll out a press release about the new scoreboard at the same time.

Edgy MD Jan 19 2015 05:16 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

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SteveJRogers Jan 19 2015 05:34 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

Hey, you brought it up Edge and made a blogger's point an issue. And no, I'm not equating the Mets being tone deaf to a vocal and trollish minority of their fanbase to the flashpoint of Bill Cosby's fall from grace, but it falls under the same category. I'd wager if Cosby's social media staff had laid low, or if Cosby had taken Buress on, things would not have spiraled out of control. Which is the point here. Of course the Mets probably would have taken the hits if this was rolled out at any time, but with the Scherzer signing happening literally at the same time period, the bad quips and trollish posts are that much more pointed and harsher. The Nats make a big signing, and hey look the Mets upgraded Citi FIeld's scoreboard! The timing was just awful, and its very much been the Mets' way to seem like they honestly do not realize what the fanbase is feeling at any given time.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 19 2015 05:43 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

Yeah, Steve. I see your point. What the Mets should do now in light of the Scherzer signing is to cancel this new scoreboard deal and just keep the current hideous scoreboard.

SteveJRogers Jan 19 2015 05:55 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

Stop taking the hyperbolic way of looking at what I said (yes I know I drew comparisons with Cosby's Twitter staff's "Meme Me" fiasco). The new scoreboard was something that didn't need a press release, or pushed ahead and reworded "the project was started back on Jan blah blah..." or something like that.

Edgy MD Jan 19 2015 06:06 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

So... we got this new scoreboard on the way.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 19 2015 06:30 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

SteveJRogers wrote: Which is the point here. Of course the Mets probably would have taken the hits if this was rolled out at any time, but with the Scherzer signing happening literally at the same time period, the bad quips and trollish posts are that much more pointed and harsher. The Nats make a big signing, and hey look the Mets upgraded Citi FIeld's scoreboard! The timing was just awful, and its very much been the Mets' way to seem like they honestly do not realize what the fanbase is feeling at any given time. Thank God they didn't touch the PSL facilities; I don't know HOW livid I'd be if they'd messed with good ol' Venturin Fara Field, or even generic, terrible Met A-4.

d'Kong76 Jan 19 2015 06:32 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

Edgy MD wrote: So... we got this new scoreboard on the way. And seemingly little else in the way of an upgrade of any kind in the whole shebang! Yay!

MFS62 Jan 20 2015 07:38 AM Re: Enbiggen Me

I wonder if they did an airflow study and if they'll find out that the new scoreboard will negate the effects of bringing in the fences. Later

Edgy MD Jan 20 2015 07:46 AM Re: Enbiggen Me

I don't wonder that.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jan 20 2015 09:51 AM Re: Enbiggen Me

I call BS on the criticism or any alleged marketing blunders. There are people who will criticize the Mets anything. If it had not been the day of the Nationals signing, it would been "How can they, in the week of the week of the Nationals signing." If they had signed Scherzer themselves, it would have been "Why didn't they sign a hitter." If they had signed (another) hitter, it would have been "Why didn't they trade for a shortstop." That's just the way it is right now, until they start winning. Winning silences a lot of stupidity.

Ceetar Jan 20 2015 10:04 AM Re: Enbiggen Me

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: I call BS on the criticism or any alleged marketing blunders. There are people who will criticize the Mets anything. If it had not been the day of the Nationals signing, it would been "How can they, in the week of the week of the Nationals signing." If they had signed Scherzer themselves, it would have been "Why didn't they sign a hitter." If they had signed (another) hitter, it would have been "Why didn't they trade for a shortstop." That's just the way it is right now, until they start winning. Winning silences a lot of stupidity. Agreed. just because a small (and yes, Twitter is small) segment of the fanbase claims it's a marketing blunder, doesn't mean it is. If anything, it's the opposite because it's keeping people talking about the Mets. There can't be people that are going to now tune out because the Mets announced a Citi Field improvement, and almost without fail everyone that can get worked up about the Mets anything in mid-January is going to come running back when they're winning again. Social media augments the volume of the vocal minority, but that doesn't mean their way is the right way or even a good way.

SteveJRogers Jan 20 2015 10:29 AM Re: Enbiggen Me

I love the idea that you are completely no selling the fact that a social media staff, Twitter to be specific, blunder (to say nothing about the social meida viral sharing of Buress' comments) was a key factor in taking down an entertainment icon. Stop acting like social media and/or the interwebs is something that organizations should be flat out ignoring, or treating as simply "haters gonna hate." I understand the idea that it is the ones making the most noise that "you still have them" but no one is rage quitting over getting a new scoreboard. Its simply saying that it is yet another example of the Mets staff being in denial about how angry the fanbase has been for decades now. I mean there is a Kickstarter campaign for a "Sell The Team Now" billboard outside Citi Field!

d'Kong76 Jan 20 2015 10:31 AM Re: Enbiggen Me

Have the Mets announced what number Scoreboard will be wearing?

Mets Guy in Michigan Jan 20 2015 10:50 AM Re: Enbiggen Me

SteveJRogers wrote: I love the idea that you are completely no selling the fact that a social media staff, Twitter to be specific, blunder (to say nothing about the social meida viral sharing of Buress' comments) was a key factor in taking down an entertainment icon. Stop acting like social media and/or the interwebs is something that organizations should be flat out ignoring, or treating as simply "haters gonna hate." I understand the idea that it is the ones making the most noise that "you still have them" but no one is rage quitting over getting a new scoreboard. Its simply saying that it is yet another example of the Mets staff being in denial about how angry the fanbase has been for decades now. I mean there is a Kickstarter campaign for a "Sell The Team Now" billboard outside Citi Field! I would never say to ignore Twitter and social media. But you also can't put too much stock in it, either. It's the great equalizer, because anybody can grab the megaphone share their thoughts to the world. The downside is that anyone can grab a megaphone and share their message to the world. An educator once told me about how he once assigned students to write a report about a particular person, and he'd get back 20 slightly re-written versions of the same World Book Encyclopedia entry. Today, he pointed out that students can Google the same name and get hundreds of thousands of articles about that person. The challenge of teaching these days is to help people become critical consumers of information. Getting information isn't the problem any more. It's determining which information is good information. So, just because a bunch of people are ranting about something on Twitter doesn't necessarily mean that their rants are something you or the Mets should pay attention to. It's realizing which ranters are worth caring about and taking seriously. There are worse things than fans being angry -- fans not giving a rat's ass at all. (See 1978-1982) And, again, winning makes a lot of that anger go away.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 20 2015 10:56 AM Re: Enbiggen Me

I'll admit that I haven't been reading this thread too carefully, which is why I'm unclear about what the Mets new scoreboard has to do with Bill Cosby.

Edgy MD Jan 20 2015 11:01 AM Re: Enbiggen Me

If we don't have the moral courage to attack the Mets for issuing a press release about the scoreboard, we support serial rape.

SteveJRogers Jan 20 2015 11:36 AM Re: Enbiggen Me

*bangs head on desk* No. The example was of the use of social media, Twitter specifically with the whole hashtag and "meme me" thing, spreading something like wildfire that most likely would have stayed in the innuendo and "wasn't that years ago case settled or something" category of celebrity scandals. One of the early accusers in the newest round that came out around that time justified coming out with her story by saying the groundswell on social media was so great, that the time was right to tell the story. Right, one has not a damn thing to do with the other, nor am I suggesting that people being pissed off about a dopey press release about the new scoreboards is going to affect that kind of change, but I'm saying that you can't easily dismiss the vocal minority with the "haters gonna hate" mentality that you've been giving to blogs, social media communities, etc.

Edgy MD Jan 20 2015 11:55 AM Re: Enbiggen Me

1) I didn't dismiss the vocal minority. I said that they're wrong and that they don't seem to care about reason. They are and they don't. Nor has the team dismissed them. You put "haters gonna hate" in quotes, but I didn't write this. You seem to be confusing me with Taylor Swift (not the first time this has happened). 2) The Mets' press office didn't put out a "Meme me" tweet. They issued a press release. This is their job. The only alternative for them and for all of Mets management is to cease to exist. To cease to exist because of hostile and irrational nonsense. What a terrible way to live. This why I find this analogy to be specious. How's your head?

Vic Sage Jan 20 2015 01:55 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

If the Mets PR deptartment is ignoring the twitterverse, it's one of the few things Mets management has done with which i totally agree. I think i just heard Captain Rogers bang his head again. Louder, Steve. You've got to hit it harder so it makes a loud echoing pop. You want to be heard in the balcony, you've got to project.

A Boy Named Seo Jan 20 2015 01:56 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

HahnSolo Jan 20 2015 02:50 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

I don't consider this a huge marketing misstep, but I also don't think the change in the scoreboard is dramatic enough to warrant a major announcement from the team.

Ceetar Jan 20 2015 03:06 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

HahnSolo wrote: I don't consider this a huge marketing misstep, but I also don't think the change in the scoreboard is dramatic enough to warrant a major announcement from the team. They emailed a newsgroup. Isn't not like they held a press conference.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 20 2015 03:10 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

Vic Sage wrote: If the Mets PR deptartment is ignoring the twitterverse, it's one of the few things Mets management has done with which i totally agree. I think i just heard Captain Rogers bang his head again. Louder, Steve. You've got to hit it harder so it makes a loud echoing pop. You want to be heard in the balcony, you've got to project. LOL. Of course, what Rogers and the rest of the rest of the lunatic fringe are too frothy to comprehend is the fact the Mets PR Department has way too often been way too concerned about other people will say and as a result have lacked the courage of their convictions for years.

Zvon Jan 20 2015 03:30 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

It might not help the team but imagine having 1.5 million pixels to work with.

Edgy MD Jan 20 2015 04:54 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

Ceetar wrote: I don't consider this a huge marketing misstep, but I also don't think the change in the scoreboard is dramatic enough to warrant a major announcement from the team. They emailed a newsgroup. Isn't not like they held a press conference. This couldn't have been a softer launch unless they wrote it on looseleaf, crumbled it up, and threw it out the window. It hasn't even been one of the 11 stories on their rotator. Could you imagine them signing the final papers with the Daktronics? [list]>> "OK, is Tuesday good to talk about the marketing of this thing?" >>>> "You know what? Let's just do it and not tell anybody. Everybody hates us." >> "We're trying to get to the top of the industry. We get a contract to build in a New York stadium and you want to keep it a secret?!" >>>> "Trust us. You don't want to be associated with us. It's better this way." >> "You're quite serious?" >>>> "Just check out the Twitter feed on my tablet here." >> "GOOD GOD!!"[/list:u] The only thing major has been the damage to Rogers' poor head.

Lefty Specialist Jan 20 2015 06:06 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

d'Kong76 wrote: Have the Mets announced what number Scoreboard will be wearing? Well, with this offense, it'll be wearing lots of zeroes.

Zvon Jan 20 2015 07:36 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

Lefty Specialist wrote: d'Kong76 wrote: Have the Mets announced what number Scoreboard will be wearing? Well, with this offense, it'll be wearing lots of zeroes. swish

Edgy MD Jan 20 2015 09:39 PM Re: Enbiggen Me

zvon enbiggens his blog.