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Email From Manfred
MFS62 Jan 25 2015 12:14 PM |
This showed up in my email today. I didn't even know that he knew me. Maybe he was one of the people who confused me with ex-Sen. John Mitchell.
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Gwreck Jan 25 2015 02:31 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
Got a return address for him? I've got a few thoughts for him already about how stupid changes that he's in favor of (like pitch clocks or banning defensive shifts) will ruin baseball.
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Benjamin Grimm Jan 25 2015 02:41 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
Banning defensive shifts? I'm not familiar with that one.
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Benjamin Grimm Jan 25 2015 02:44 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
I found this: http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-bas ... ive-shifts
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Nymr83 Jan 25 2015 02:49 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
Incredibly stupid. Maybe he just wants them to play homerun derby every night? I am glad we are getting away from the steroid fueled offensive era and into a re b aissance for pitching and defense.
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Centerfield Jan 25 2015 03:19 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
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I'm not sure if I'm missing sarcasm here, but why is this a terrible idea? I've always thought this hurt LH hitters more than RH hitters. I'm not necessarily endorsing the idea, but I don't see any reason for a strong objection.
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Zvon Jan 25 2015 03:49 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
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I got one of these too. I guess that means Im an MLB Insider.
I agree Grimm. Shifts are part of the game. Sometimes they help, sometimes they burn ya. Don't players today have the ability to just poke it the other way?
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Edgy MD Jan 25 2015 04:47 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
I would say it's a terrible idea because, by limiting the liberty which players have had to move around and play where they will, since baseball was born and the manager's liberty to position them you're changing the very nature of the game, all for the sake of fixing something that isn't broken.
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Frayed Knot Jan 25 2015 04:51 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
This idea was floated by, and endorsed by, several writers last summer.
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Edgy MD Jan 25 2015 04:59 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
*Like*
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Ashie62 Jan 25 2015 05:54 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
It won't happen.
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Zvon Jan 25 2015 06:39 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
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This^
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d'Kong76 Jan 25 2015 06:42 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
No way this will ever happen; all seven fielders can
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Frayed Knot Jan 25 2015 07:16 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
And how would you describe and enforce such a rule?
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Centerfield Jan 25 2015 07:43 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
By the nature of the way the bases are set up, shifts hurt LH hitters more than they hurt RH hitters. This is obviously not a huge issue facing the game, but does it warrant no action?
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Nymr83 Jan 25 2015 08:15 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
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By nature of being born left-handed those left handed bats have a higher chance of making the majors because the percentage of left handed hitters will always be higher than the percentage of lefties in the general population, a result of their increased effectiveness against predominantly right handed pitching, maybe we should have a rule that each righty is entitled to face the same percentage of left handed pitchers that a lefty gets to face of right handers? the whole idea is absurd.
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Frayed Knot Jan 25 2015 08:27 PM Re: Email From Manfred Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 26 2015 07:42 AM |
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The way the bases are set up also helps LH batters to the extent that they're closer to 1B. I don't think this warrants action either. A so-called extreme shifts only 'hurts' (if you want to use that word, I'd opt maybe for 'challenges' instead) those LHBs who pull almost exclusively and are slow-footed - a fairly small percentage I'd say. You wouldn't pull that shift on Reyes or Ichiro even if they were dead-pull guys because they'd out-run a grounder hit to a 2B positioning himself in short RF. What those LH hitters can do is pull less, or bunt occasionally like Edgy says, and the shifts would disappear overnight. And even as it is, any manager employing a shift is engaging in a risk/reward that's going to cost him outs on occasion too. It then becomes up to him whether he thinks he's stealing more outs than he's losing.
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Ceetar Jan 26 2015 07:38 AM Re: Email From Manfred |
Also lefties have the platoon advantage as batters more often.
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Edgy MD Jan 26 2015 10:16 AM Re: Email From Manfred |
Manfred also mentioned a possible return to Montreal.
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Benjamin Grimm Jan 26 2015 10:52 AM Re: Email From Manfred |
Would that mean expansion? Or relocation? I suppose that right now the teams most likely to relocate are the Rays and the Athletics. I think that if I were in charge of either of those teams there would be at least a few places I'd choose over Montreal.
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Frayed Knot Jan 26 2015 10:55 AM Re: Email From Manfred |
In the laundry list of topics that he touched on, Manfred listed expansion as NOT something on the near-term agenda.
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Benjamin Grimm Jan 26 2015 11:06 AM Re: Email From Manfred |
That doesn't surprise me at all.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 26 2015 11:16 AM Re: Email From Manfred |
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'Where is my place in this bright future?' I heard him say. [youtube]cj3jn309hAc[/youtube] How did we survive?
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Mets Guy in Michigan Jan 26 2015 11:27 AM Re: Email From Manfred |
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I think he's obligated to dangle destinations out there so teams demanding new stadiums have leverage -- though the number of teams not having new stadiums is pretty small at this point.
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Nymr83 Jan 26 2015 11:35 AM Re: Email From Manfred |
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The Rogers center in Toronto is 25 years old, only the following are older: Fenway Park (1912 and not going anywhere), Wrigley Field (1914, they are re-modelling the bleachers but the team isnt leaving the park), Dodger Stadium (1962), Angel Stadium (1966), Oakland Coliseum (1966), Kaufman Stadium (1973 - a 250 million renovation was done 5 years ago). Oakland seem like the only conceivable team who could demand a stadium from this group. Tampa is the only other team I could see moving.
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Centerfield Jan 26 2015 11:42 AM Re: Email From Manfred |
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Fair points. Interestingly the ones proposing the rule were also arguing "integrity of the game". Meaning baseball has been played forever with two infielders on each side of second base, and now these new defensive shifts are changing the way the game is played. If I had to make a call, I'd probably vote against banning shifts, but I am surprised to see such uniformity from everyone on this board. We never agree about anything.
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seawolf17 Jan 26 2015 11:45 AM Re: Email From Manfred |
Banning shifts is idiotic.
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d'Kong76 Jan 26 2015 11:46 AM Re: Email From Manfred |
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Well, I'd have to disagree with that.
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Mets Guy in Michigan Jan 26 2015 11:52 AM Re: Email From Manfred |
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Yup! And I think Tampa has on iron-clad lease for something like the next 30 years. Now, I didn't imagine that the Braves would be abandoning 20-year-old Turner Field, either. But I think throwing Montreal out there as a potential destination gives the Athletics some leverage.
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Edgy MD Jan 26 2015 12:08 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
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The alignment Ted Williams tended to see: [fimg=600]http://sports.mearsonlineauctions.com/ItemImages/000036/dcaa027c-92ad-400a-acb6-9717355bd97d_lg.jpeg[/fimg] The Bad News Bears also deployed an extreme defensive shift against Carl Paranski.
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Nymr83 Jan 26 2015 12:33 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
wow the Williams shift is more extreme than anything you see these days
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Edgy MD Jan 26 2015 12:45 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
I have to be honest. I don't know how typical that alignment really was. Leaving only one guy on the left side instead of one in the infield and one in the outfield is totally EXXXTREME!!11!
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Frayed Knot Jan 26 2015 01:04 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
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Cleveland player/manager Lou Boudreau (he might be player #2 in that picture) is the one credited for coming up with that one vs Teddy Ballgame, but it was hardly the first or only time that type of thing was used prior to just the last year or two. Olbermann did a piece on this not long ago which included him reading newspaper accounts from 19th century games which described defenses drastically overloading one side against certain hitters. I guess I just don't understand the big itch to do something about this. There are only a few rules in existence about positioning: the catcher has to be in his box; the pitcher needs to be on the rubber*; and the other seven need only to be in fair territory. If teams want to put all seven of them in a pile on the 2nd base bag, or have them in a circle holding hands in CF then they're free to do so. * unless you're Jordan Walden
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Edgy MD Jan 26 2015 01:29 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
[youtube:2jsd74fd]YrjJFNDQJbM[/youtube:2jsd74fd]
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Frayed Knot Jan 27 2015 12:34 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
Various insiders discuss the shifting trend - or the trends in shifting.
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Zvon Jan 27 2015 02:08 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
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This is such an awesome photo.
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Benjamin Grimm Jan 27 2015 02:19 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
At first glance, I thought the numbers represented the fielders' positions, but that would mean that the third baseman was playing against the center field wall and the center fielder was pitching. I doubt that that happened very often! My guess is that it's something like this:
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Mets Willets Point Jan 27 2015 11:43 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
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I had that same impression and thought "Damn that Boudreau was extreme!" I can't imagine what those numbers are supposed to signify since they're obviously not the fielding positions, at least not on any scorecard I've ever seen.
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Frayed Knot Jan 28 2015 06:35 AM Re: Email From Manfred |
I suspect it was just some newspaper editor -- one perhaps not familiar with standard scorecard notation -- trying to illustrate how many of the fielders were on the one side of the infield (Mr. catcher is probably #4 but got cropped). That still doesn't answer the question of why he went in the particular order he did, but it's likely nothing other than just random.
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Mets Guy in Michigan Jan 28 2015 06:41 AM Re: Email From Manfred |
I don't think the defense shifts are much of a drag on time. There are other things. I do think the batters walking out of the batter's box after every pitch to adjust their gloves and so on does slow things down. I think making three pitching changes in the seventh and eighth innings does slow things down, especially if they are allowed to take warm-up pitches after warming up in the bullpen. And each pitching changes means a break for ads, which leads to:
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Frayed Knot Jan 28 2015 07:01 AM Re: Email From Manfred |
I don't think anyone's trying to link shifts and game time. Shifts and reduced offense maybe, but not time of game.
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Mets Guy in Michigan Jan 28 2015 09:43 AM Re: Email From Manfred |
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Ah! Now it makes sense.
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Mets Willets Point Jan 28 2015 01:53 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
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Gwreck Jan 29 2015 08:18 AM Re: Email From Manfred |
Manfred clarifies his comments in an interview with Ken Rosenthal:
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Benjamin Grimm Jan 29 2015 08:32 AM Re: Email From Manfred |
Regarding this shift thing: It is, and always has been, the responsibility of the hitter to hit 'em where they ain't. The fielders shouldn't be required to stand in a place where the batter is less likely to hit the ball.
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Edgy MD Jan 29 2015 08:36 AM Re: Email From Manfred |
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Manfred has since walked back his shift comments.
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Gwreck Jan 29 2015 09:16 AM Re: Email From Manfred |
I'm not clear what the relevance is of a facebook comment of an incoherent idiot.
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Edgy MD Jan 29 2015 09:37 AM Re: Email From Manfred |
I feel a compulsion to be where the incoherent idiots aren't.
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Ceetar Jan 29 2015 11:50 AM Re: Email From Manfred |
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I tried that. got lonely.
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Edgy MD Jan 29 2015 11:56 AM Re: Email From Manfred |
Edgy to co-worker/former MLB employee: So, you know Rob Manfred?
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sharpie Jan 29 2015 12:14 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
Couldn't find a general rule changes thread so putting it here. Better idea than outlawing defensive shifts. Would make it tougher for LOOGIEs to get jobs
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batmagadanleadoff Jan 29 2015 12:17 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
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Whaddya do if a reliever gets injured, or experiences discomfort before the first at bat is resolved? Sounds like a rule that would be better suite to Strat-O-Matic or some other board game.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 29 2015 12:20 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
I'd sooner advocate they reduce the size of the rosters by 1 or 2 slots, that'd teach them to make so many pitching changes. Of course the new commish wouldn't want that kind of fight on his hands right away.
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Benjamin Grimm Jan 29 2015 12:41 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
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Obviously there would have to be an exception. Just like there's the exception to the must-face-one-batter rule.
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Frayed Knot Jan 29 2015 01:05 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
There'd be a significant increase in "injuries" to pitchers following their first batter faced if there was suddenly a two-batter minimum rule.
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sharpie Jan 29 2015 01:16 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
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That article deals with the injury issue in the last graph:
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Ceetar Jan 29 2015 01:33 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
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Exactly why it'll never happen. Because this means pitchers, and perhaps some managers, will be more likely to let the pitcher just 'pitch through it' risking injury if there really is something wrong. "It just felt like soreness, I didn't want to be unavailable for three games." Said Mejia while trainers put his arm in an ice bucket for transportation to the hospital to be reattached.
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Frayed Knot Jan 29 2015 01:41 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
I'm in favor of trying everything else first with the hope of avoiding things like rule changes, roster restrictions, or pitch clocks.
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Edgy MD Jan 29 2015 02:10 PM Re: Email From Manfred |
Yeah, there's a lot of places to go before enforcing multi-batter minimums, which again, really changes the nature of the game. How about limiting warmup pitches for a guy who just left the pen is an easy place to start.
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