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Edgy MD
Feb 12 2015 07:42 AM

February 12
[list][*]Brandon Nimmo has found new power working with Kevin Long[/*:m]
[*]Tejada might play short when Neise pitches[/*:m]
[*]Matt Harvey: Chilling in Laos helpe me focus on the job back home[/*:m]
[*]Anthony Recker decided it was selfish to keep his genes all to himself[/*:m][/list:u]

G-Fafif
Feb 12 2015 02:28 PM
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Leave it to Anthony Recker to have a kid and still look beautiful.

Zack Wheeler says Mets can be Royals, except sooner.

Ashie62
Feb 12 2015 06:05 PM
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Either Flores is the SS or not. If you have two shortstops you don't have any. So there.

Frayed Knot
Feb 12 2015 06:44 PM
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Ashie62 wrote:
Either Flores is the SS or not. If you have two shortstops you don't have any. So there.


Unless somebody invents the concept of the platoon between now and April.

Edgy MD
Feb 12 2015 07:46 PM
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He's right. That's why the 1986 Mets lost. They tried too many guys at shortstop.

More seriously, Tejada (or someone like him) is going to play once a week even if everything goes great for Flores. They might as well be strategic about when that happens. When Niese is hurling? Sure.

Ashie62
Feb 13 2015 11:02 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Ashie62 wrote:
Either Flores is the SS or not. If you have two shortstops you don't have any. So there.


Unless somebody invents the concept of the platoon between now and April.


Its not platooning. It is a demonstrated lack of confidence in Flores to field his position.

Let Wilmer play 6 days a week and not have to look over his shoulder.

Frayed Knot
Feb 13 2015 11:40 AM
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This has little to do with Flores but a lot to do with the notion that having two shortstops is the same of having none is stupid. I know that's a saying used for Quarterbacks (and even there I think it's overused) but it simply doesn't apply here. Teams have and do platoon at all positions for all kinds of reasons at all times in ML history. If Flores winds up as one of a duo (or even trio) of guys that'll cover the SS position for the Mets this year it's not a big deal - unless none of them play well but even then you're still no worse off just leaving one guy who can't play there full time.

G-Fafif
Feb 13 2015 11:43 AM
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The "we won't play much but we sure want to be around" preview, with the non-stars Kirk Nieuwenhuis, Matt den Dekker and Eric Campbell...

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ ... -1.9932472

Edgy MD
Feb 13 2015 11:57 AM
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How exactly would playing four games in five damage a player's confidence and/or growth? It's awesome. It's pretty much what most shortstops do.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Feb 13 2015 12:54 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
How exactly would playing four games in five damage a player's confidence and/or growth? It's awesome. It's pretty much what most shortstops do.


Here's where man-/media-management comes in. If you walk into PSL, and you start out doing something silly like saying "He's my everyday guy" and saying it loudly, then you sit him, say, twice a week... it's possible you end up with dented young'un-ego. I mean, I don't think it's likely, but it's possible.

Edgy MD
Feb 13 2015 02:39 PM
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Well, THEN, here they got ahead of that, and said, "Well, we have to play Tejada every now and then anyhow, so we're thinking of maybe gearing his starts toward coinciding with Niese's." And then everybody knows where they stand, and if Tejada starts the fifth game of the season, there's no reason for Flores to say, "What's the matter? Don't they love me anymore? Look, I'm TRYING, OK?! I HATE YOU, TERRY! I HATE EVERYBODY!!!"

Fman99
Feb 14 2015 03:25 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Well, THEN, here they got ahead of that, and said, "Well, we have to play Tejada every now and then anyhow, so we're thinking of maybe gearing his starts toward coinciding with Niese's." And then everybody knows where they stand, and if Tejada starts the fifth game of the season, there's no reason for Flores to say, "What's the matter? Don't they love me anymore? Look, I'm TRYING, OK?! I HATE YOU, TERRY! I HATE EVERYBODY!!!"


Ew.

G-Fafif
Feb 18 2015 09:03 AM
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Kevin Kobel's working on a sinker.
Doug Flynn's swinging a lighter bat.
Willie Montanez's showing off his new suit.
Neil Allen's getting confused.

Spring Training's eternal minutiae, here.

G-Fafif
Feb 19 2015 09:54 AM
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Guys, the Mets work out for the very first time on this date in 1962, and the Times is on it! Robert Lipsyte reports on Joe Ginsberg taking advice from Rogers Hornsby and so forth, here.

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 19 2015 10:03 AM
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G-Fafif wrote:
Guys, the Mets work out for the very first time on this date in 1962, and the Times is on it! Robert Lipsyte reports on Joe Ginsberg taking advice from Rogers Hornsby and so forth, here.


For $3.95.

[fimg=644]https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7357/16580456721_af341541dc_o.jpg[/fimg]

G-Fafif
Feb 19 2015 10:05 AM
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It's a freebie today via one of the Times' twitter feeds.

G-Fafif
Feb 19 2015 10:09 AM
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Try this?

http://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesma ... 5710608363

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 19 2015 10:10 AM
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It's a freebie today via one of the Times' twitter feeds.


What's that?

Here's an unqualified free one from the NYT.



Essay
Spring of ’62: Revisiting the Dawn of the Mets

By ROBERT LIPSYTE
Published: February 19, 2012



Casey Stengel, right, ever directing his Mets troops at spring training. From left, Don Zimmer, Felix Mantilla, Charlie Neal and Gil Hodges.

The glove I took to spring training in 1962, hooked through the handle of my portable manual typewriter, saw service only once, which was enough.

Early one morning in St. Petersburg, Fla., while the scrubs were batting against a hung-over bullpen coach, I slipped into right field and settled under what broadcasters call “an easy soft fly.” It exploded in my hand. My palm still stings at the memory.

I hung up my glove that day, having survived the revelation that professional athletes were a different species, even if they were the has-beens, hardly-ables and never-will-bes stocking an empty shelf on its way to becoming one of the worst baseball teams of all time. It’s a lesson that has lasted 50 years, since the Mets were new and America felt good about itself.

There was room for a lovable loser in sports in those heady days of J.F.K.’s Camelot, the Peace Corps and John Glenn orbiting the earth. We could take a joke then. America was flexing its muscles, shaking off its ’50s flab as surely as winter-sodden ballplayers were groaning their way into shape for a fresh season.

Among the Mets acquired in the expansion draft because they were considered past their prime or otherwise expendable were some star players, including Frank Thomas, a three-time All-Star slugger at Pittsburgh; Gus Bell, a four-time All-Star at Cincinnati; and the onetime Phillies Whiz Kid Richie Ashburn, a former batting champion with a .308 career average. Alas, there were more critical numbers — the three made up an outfield with 19 children and a combined age of 102.

While most of the reporters, including me, saw this as further proof of the Mets’ inevitable haplessness (why else would I have taken my glove?), my best friend on the team, Jay Hook, saw stars. He was, like me, a 24-year-old college boy, but he was also a real prospect, expected to become one of the club’s starting pitchers.

“I was optimistic that spring, I was optimistic for years,” he told me recently from his farm in northern Michigan. “The beauty of baseball is that it’s a new game every day. I never thought we were that bad. There were some pretty good guys on the team, especially the old Dodgers.”

Although they also tended to skew old, veteran valiants like Roger Craig, Clem Labine, Charlie Neal, Don Zimmer, Gil Hodges and Cookie Lavagetto gave the Mets a patina of respectability, if not nostalgia, perhaps none more than the former Dodgers player and manager Casey Stengel.

Hiring Stengel was a stroke of promotional genius. He had won 10 pennants and 7 World Series with the Yankees. He was considered a brilliant tactician, ruthlessly shuffling players. He was endlessly quotable. He had been fired after the 1960 season for having grown old. Upon taking the Mets job, in a sly nod to his age, 71, and a Civil War-era baseball team, he said, “It’s a great honor to be joining the Knickerbockers.”

Cranky, smart, mean, compassionate, profane, hilarious, Stengel was the show’s leading man. He was up early, instructing the younger players on life (“Get yourself in shape now, you can drink during the season”) and hitting (“He who stands up to bat is all right; he who sticks his fanny out isn’t worth a road apple”) while bantering with fans and holding a running news conference. The nutty language called Stengelese (“So this here fella on second base, let me tell you he was not as horseapple as he was in Kankakee, which was amazing for a left-handed dentist, which I did not get to be”) was a construct of big-time columnists parachuting into camp for 15 minutes with “the ol’ perfesser.” Heard in their entirety, his hours-long monologues made perfect sense.

I spent many nights in the hotel bar, at his elbow, absorbing his intricate, though coherent (if you were there from the beginning, that is) theories of platooning and pinch-hitting and his ribald reminiscences of players he managed, especially Joe DiMaggio, whom he did not like and referred to by an Italian slur. Even for his time, Stengel was not politically correct.

Once, acting on a tip that guests at the Colonial Inn, where we were all staying, had complained about African-American ballplayers in the hotel pool, I asked Stengel if that was the reason he barred the Mets from swimming.

“Thass right, pool’s off limits,” he growled, pushing his pleated, leathery mug into my face. He also said in a salty way that they could not have sex “all season.”

He added, “Now print that.”

A few days later, with a straight face, he introduced his two worst rookies to the press as the future face of the franchise. Their fame was affirmed in the next day’s issues of the seven daily New York City newspapers. The youngsters were soon cut and never heard from again. It was recognizable Stengel: cruel to players, contemptuous of the news media.

He could also be incredibly kind, particularly sensitive to the disabled. He would unselfconsciously offer up his seamed face to the questioning fingers of blind fans and trot up the grandstand on his bandy legs to patiently chat with people in wheelchairs.

Once, while I was talking to Stengel, a middle-aged man approached, dragging a sullen teenager. This was clearly a troubled son and dad. The man claimed to have played for Stengel years ago in the minors. Stengel took his time, regaled them with tales of the father’s prowess and promised the kid a Mets contract if he got as good as his old man. As they left with arms around each other, Stengel rolled his eyes at me and shrugged. He had no memory of the man.

Stengel was true to himself in his fashion, never more than when he would say, after another losing Mets performance, “The attendance and Mrs. Payson got robbed.”

The First Owner

The team’s owner, Mrs. Joan Whitney Payson, one of the country’s richest women, had been the beneficiary of a power elite baseball coup. Then as now, there was a shady side to the Mets.

In the late ’50s, Branch Rickey, who had integrated the game in 1947 with Jackie Robinson in Brooklyn, and William A. Shea, a politically wired Manhattan lawyer, concocted the threat of a rival, the Continental League, to squeeze-play baseball into returning the National League to New York. Since 1957, when the Dodgers and the Giants went west, New York had felt baseball-deprived, none more so perhaps than Mrs. Payson, who had owned a piece of the Giants and pined for Willie Mays. (She bought him for the Mets embarrassingly late in his career.)

The new owner installed her stockbroker, M. Donald Grant, as chairman of the board. Grant was no Bernie Madoff, to be sure, but imperial enough. He would swagger through the clubhouse lining up ballplayers so Mrs. Payson, regally dotty under a floppy garden club hat, could review them like the Queen Mum trooping the Household Cavalry. She trilled over them, offering a gloved hand, as Grant hovered.

Grant seemed to have attended that first spring training in 1962 primarily to get massages in the trainers’ room. Actually, this fit with the more relaxed mood of that day. The news media had almost total access to the clubhouse and to Miller Huggins Field. Eavesdropping on players took no skill at all. I remember how a light-hitting utility infielder named Ted Lepcio, who had played 10 years for five clubs, liked to rank on Richie Ashburn. He followed him around the field one day, saying, “Tell them how I was your bat boy in Utica, Richie.”

At first, Ashburn pretended not to hear him, but Lepcio wouldn’t let up. He raised his voice. “Bunch of cocky rookies in Utica in 1945, and I was the bat boy.”

Ashburn, a most amiable man, must have suddenly felt his age because he wheeled on Lepcio and snapped, “You were a lousy bat boy.”

Lepcio was released before the season began. Ashburn hit .306 for the Mets that season, then went on to a brilliant broadcasting career and the Hall of Fame.

Pitchers and Pitchmen

In the relaxed atmosphere of 1962, Miller Huggins Field was often swarming with Mad Men in button-down shirts, rep ties and Harris tweed jackets overseeing the making of commercials.

“We want to have our product associated with symbols of acceptance,” said a man from the advertising agency representing Viceroy cigarettes. He gestured at Gil Hodges, posing for $750. “If Hodges smokes Viceroy, it might do something for you, too.”

It seems almost churlish now to add that the laconic, stoical Hodges died after his second heart attack, at 47. He should be better remembered as the gifted pillar at first base (“So strong,” said Stengel, “he could tear your ear brows off”) who managed the Mets to the World Series title.

Stengel, naturally, was also the star of the Mad Men Mets. He spent an entire day clutching his stomach in thespian agony before snatching a Bromo Seltzer out of his locker, gulping it down, then brightening at its double-play action. The scene had to be shot over and over because Stengel clutched too hard and brightened too quickly.

One of the ad men told me that ballplayers were easy to deal with.

“They’re regimented, so they take orders well,” he said. “And they’re vain. They like to see their pictures around town.”

Stengel later complained about how hard he worked on his Alka-Seltzer commercial.

Walking On, Ushered Off

Almost as ubiquitous as the ad men were the walk-on Mets who believed our stories about how bad this team would be. My favorite was a skinny, sallow, round-shouldered 21-year-old from Astoria named John Pappas. Because the younger sportswriters (Yes, guilty) were eager for a Cinderella story, a Mets official, John Murphy, finally agreed to talk to him.

“When was the last time you threw a ball?” asked Murphy, once a Yankees relief pitcher.

“Last Sunday, in New York,” said Pappas, looking down at his black, pointy-toed shoes.

Murphy smiled triumphantly. “It snowed in New York last Sunday.”

Pappas nodded. “Yes, sir. But not under the Triborough Bridge.”

Pappas got 18 minutes at a nearby high school field with a fourth-string Mets catcher. He was wild, and not very fast. We were disappointed. Murphy was kindly. He told Pappas to go back to school. Maybe if he were 15, said Murphy, he might have a shot, but he had too much to learn. On the drive back to the hotel, Pappas told me he would be back. He also played the outfield.

Rocket Science

The morning that Pappas arrived, Glenn orbited the Earth, making Jay Hook the go-to guy in the clubhouse. The lanky pitcher was an engineering student at Northwestern and a member of the National Rocket Society. He provided a play-by-play of the historic ride along with sidebars on propulsion and the problems of re-entry. But he was a baseball player first. Roger Maris’s ability to hit 61 home runs in 1961, he said, was “a more impressive individual achievement” than Glenn’s three orbits of the Earth.

Hook told me he expected to do well with the Mets because he would finally have a chance to play. The previous season, his last with Cincinnati, he caught the mumps and mononucleosis and sat out the pennant drive and a World Series loss to the Yankees.

This time, Hook got his playing time. He started and lost the Mets’ first spring training game, at Al Lang Field against the St. Louis Cardinals. There were portents. A historian from the Hall of Fame locked himself in the press box bathroom and missed most of the game. When he emerged, he said, “Now I’ve seen everything.” When the game was over, a fan uttered the mantra of the next seven years: “Same old Mets.”

The Rajah in the Lobby

Hook and I shared a favorite coach, Rogers Hornsby, the Rajah, considered the greatest right-handed hitter of the century. By day, Hook pestered Hornsby for batting instruction, especially bunting. He thought if he could learn to sacrifice, he wouldn’t be lifted for a pinch-hitter in the late innings.

By night, when I wasn’t at Stengel’s elbow, I’d be in the hotel lobby with Hornsby. Lobby sitting was his hobby, according to The Baseball Register. Sitting tall, his double-breasted suit open to starched white shirt and tie, his icy little eyes, supposedly the sharpest in the game, missing nothing. He’d see two young women trolling the lobby and mutter to the players around us, “Try not to go for bad balls.”

He was a font of personal advice couched in ballspeak. He was big on getting a good night’s sleep. “If I don’t get the pitch I want between 7 p.m. and midnight,” he would say, “forget it. I’ll always get another chance to go to bat.”

A heavyset, 66-year-old Texan, Hornsby was a link to an earlier time in baseball and America. He had been pushed out of the game 10 years earlier for such mean-spirited behavior, while manager and coach, as punching Branch Rickey for lecturing him on morality and for urinating on his players in the shower room after a loss. The stories were easy to believe, sitting with him as he disparaged “city phonies” and “foreigners” as well as most current players. He denied being a bigot because, “our” black people “are buried on Rogers land in a cemetery right next to ours” back home on the ranch in Hornsby Bend.

He also warned me against writing about him. “If I don’t like it, I’ll be on your back so fast you won’t know what happened.”

Rabid Fans From the Start

Like Hornsby, the early Mets fans were throwbacks, from a time when New York had three teams. Because spectators could sit close enough in spring training to chitchat with the players, there was no escaping the likes of Louis Kleppel, a stout, disheveled retired furniture mover in his 60s who had cheered for the Giants until they betrayed him and moved.

“You want I should go to Candlestick Park?” he would bellow. “The Mets are my team now. I give them my voice. I will support them all the way.”

Even after he knew my name and called to me, I tried to avoid Kleppel and his claque of senior citizens. I didn’t realize the depth of the Mets’ fans’ passion until after the end of that first miserable, hilarious season when I found him weeping outside the Polo Grounds.

“A bunch of sandlotters, those Mets,” he blubbered. “If the baloneys of baseball want trash, well, they got it. And I’ve had it.”

But I found him again outside for the home opener in 1963. He had renewed hope, he said. And he never lost it, always coming back, through the bedsheet banner years as the Mets beat the Yankees in the first Mayor’s Trophy game, as Marvelous Marv Throneberry became the quintessential Met, as the 17-year-old Ed Kranepool began his 18-year career. He followed the team to Shea Stadium in 1964, and he was there for the seven years in 9th or 10th place until that amazing 1969 season when the Miracle Mets won the World Series. I was actually happy to see him at spring training in 1970. This time, I hurried over when he called. “The Mets will repeat,” he boomed. “You heard it here.”

Life After the Mets

By that time, my friend Hook was a rising manager in the Chrysler Corporation. He had pitched three seasons for the Mets, failing in his childhood dream of being a 20-game winner (he lost 19 in his first season as the Mets lost 120), but he got credit for the team’s first victory (in its 10th game).

Hook and his wife, Joan, had decided to get out of baseball in 1964.

“I was 28, an average player, and our oldest was just starting school, so the family wouldn’t be able to travel with me,” he said. “Also, we didn’t make the kind of money current players do, so I thought I better start a career in business. It was the right decision.”

Hook, who had worked on his master’s degree in thermodynamics as a Met, was remembered for explaining Bernoulli’s Law, which describes how planes stay aloft and baseballs curve. When the diagrams he drew appeared in The New York Times, Stengel said, “If Hook could only do what he knows.”

“I’ve dined off that line for years,” Hook said recently. “It has great business implications. But the biggest thing I learned from Casey that spring was to always take care of my customers. I watched the way Casey kept you sportswriters entertained so you would write about the team for his customers, the fans.”

Hook took care of his customers. After Chrysler, he rose to senior management positions at Rockwell International and Masco before retiring to become a professor in Northwestern’s M.B.A. program. He always played down his baseball career. He thought it would distract people from teaching him what they knew.

It was only recently, after retiring from academia, that he began reaching out to those who remembered him as a Met. When he asked me six years ago for a copy of his Bernoulli’s Law story, he said that he didn’t want his 13 grandchildren to think he was merely a science geek. He understood when I told him that my grandchildren didn’t grasp my spring training glove story.

Last month, in New York, with the former Mets teammates Al Jackson and Frank Thomas, Hook attended the Baseball Writers Association of America dinner as part of a Mets 50th anniversary celebration. He got a big laugh recounting Stengel’s response to Bernoulli’s Law. Hook also went to several card shows and awards lunches. He sounded excited to have met the Tigers’ ace, Justin Verlander, and to have talked baseball with Joe Girardi, Don Newcombe and Tommy Davis. He felt reconnected to the game, now and 50 years ago, a prospect again on a brand-new team.

“I’d forgotten what a good time I had,” he said. “Casey was so terrific, he used to play with my kids. The fans and sportswriters were nice. Maybe I’m just getting to the age when the past means more, but I remembered what fun it was being there.”

Robert Lipsyte, a former New York Times columnist, covered the Mets’ first spring training for the newspaper. He is the author of the memoir “An Accidental Sportswriter.”

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: February 22, 2012

An illustration on Monday with an essay about the Mets’ first spring training, in 1962, carried an incorrect credit. The image of former Mets pitcher Jay Hook was by Charlie McGill — not by John Robert Williams, who photographed Mr. McGill’s illustration.

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 19 2015 10:12 AM
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G-Fafif wrote:
Try this?

http://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesma ... 5710608363


Any mention of Butterball?

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 19 2015 10:28 AM
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Check out the Rajah in the Butterball thread.

G-Fafif
Feb 19 2015 10:33 AM
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No Butterball but a detailed report on the "rabbit food," to which Ralph alluded in the "Meet The Mets" special SNY has aired as Mets Yearbook: 1962.

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 19 2015 11:50 AM
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G-Fafif wrote:
No Butterball but a detailed report on the "rabbit food," to which Ralph alluded in the "Meet The Mets" special SNY has aired as Mets Yearbook: 1962.


There don't appear to be any Botz related Mets anecdotes or tales to tell other than the "Bring Back Butterball Botz" banner thing and the fact that Botz was credited with the Mets first win ever. At least none that appeared to have survived.

Frayed Knot
Feb 21 2015 03:04 PM
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After and in the midst of all the shitty weather the east coast has had lately, what this weekend could have used is a ballgame on TV.
It didn't even have to be one that mattered for anything, but just seeing an inning or two would have made my day.

Edgy MD
Feb 23 2015 09:56 AM
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Tee-shirts delivered to players in camp:

Edgy MD
Feb 24 2015 11:47 AM
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Jared Diamond and Vic black on how to stalk a Met.

In short, don't be a jerk.

Ceetar
Feb 24 2015 11:55 AM
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paywall'd? wtf.

Edgy MD
Feb 24 2015 11:57 AM
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Try a different browser, man.

Ceetar
Feb 24 2015 12:09 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Try a different browser, man.


You want me to like..open IE? and copy and paste? that's so..2005.

Diamond wrote an interesting thing about jury duty too.

d'Kong76
Feb 24 2015 12:14 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Try a different browser, man.

I couldn't read it either, until I logged on.

Ceetar
Feb 24 2015 12:17 PM
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d'Kong76 wrote:
Edgy MD wrote:
Try a different browser, man.

I couldn't read it either, until I logged on.


I don't think i have a WSJ account. free, or are they gonna start bothering me? I recently cut out the New Yorker from my feed reader for paywall reasons but Jared Diamond is one of the few beat guys I actually want to read.

d'Kong76
Feb 24 2015 12:47 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
I don't think i have a WSJ account. free, or are they gonna start bothering me?

It's a subscription site, for the most part.

Edgy MD
Feb 24 2015 12:48 PM
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Yeah, well, now I'm blocked out.

Anypits, pretty lightweight stuff. Could've been stronger if he got one or two other points of reference beyond Vic Black.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Feb 24 2015 01:30 PM
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The Big Vic Black news is that he trimmed his stupid beard, according to Rubes.

Edgy MD
Feb 26 2015 09:00 AM
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Non-Mets stuff:

[list:x40z7kds][*:x40z7kds]Josh Hamilton meeting with Commissioner Gordon to discuss a disciplinary issue, and isn't even in camp with the Angels, who have agreed to let him rehab his injury while staying at "a friend's house in Houston," which sounds deeply ominous.

[/*:m:x40z7kds]
[*:x40z7kds]David Ortiz has declared his intention to be entirely and intransigently non-compliant with new rules stating that batters have to keep at least one foot in the box in between pitches, declaring that the game is "100 years old" and shouldn't be changed. David intends to resist these new rules at least as aggressively as he has resisted math and history classes.

[/*:m:x40z7kds]
[*:x40z7kds]Reds are not expecting Homer Baily to be ready for the start of the season. Know who will be ready? Dillon Gee.[/*:m:x40z7kds][/list:u:x40z7kds]

Ceetar
Feb 26 2015 09:08 AM
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Hamilton, according to Jon Heyman, had a "at least" cocaine relapse a couple of months ago and confessed.

Frayed Knot
Feb 26 2015 11:22 AM
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[fimg=400]http://mlb.mlb.com/assets/images/0/2/4/110499024/cuts/realhelmet_n5rkiel3_vpbejh4t.jpg[/fimg]

Giancarlo Stanton's new protective helmet puts the G in faceGuard.

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 26 2015 12:23 PM
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paywall'd? wtf.


No paywall today.
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A Pro’s Guide to Interacting With Mets in the Wild
Feb. 23, 2015 11:33 p.m. ET

When you have the good fortune of spotting your favorite player in Port St. Lucie, you also have a great responsibility—to stay in control. Just because you can stroll into Chipotle and find a bunch of Mets chowing down on chips and salsa doesn’t give you free rein to stalk baseball players all spring.

That’s why we consulted Mets relief pitcher Vic Black to devise a few basic ground rules for approaching a player if you see one out in the wild.

• Families are off-limits: Ballplayers aren’t home much and value time with their families. Most of them try to shield their wives, parents and especially their children from the spotlight. If a player is out with any of these people, it’s probably not the best time to ask him to pose for a selfie. “Those are good places to just say, ‘Hi, good luck on the season,’” Black said.

• Read the room: Certain settings are designed for fans and players to interact. In fact, Black said he often goes to Duffy’s, the popular sports bar attached to the bowling alley, for the opportunity to mingle with the crowd.

“I don’t see me being a baseball player as being more special than anybody else,” he said. “You want to have that connection with fans.” In a dark, candlelit restaurant, however, pick your spot: “Wait until they’re winding down or getting up to leave,” Black said.

• Be polite: It sounds obvious, but “Hey, it’s you!” isn’t the best way to get on a player’s good side. Black said he doesn’t mind being referred to as Vic, but when in doubt, err on the side of deference. “The more pleasant-sounding approach works better,” he said. “Mr. Wright or Mr. Murphy, especially when it’s someone younger than the guy.”

—Jared Diamond

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 26 2015 12:27 PM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

That advice is one big Catch-22 as far as I'm concerned. It's all too much to ask and expect of most elementary school kids. And if you're an adult and you're still going gaga over trying to interact with the athletes, well ...... (rolls eyes).

Edgy MD
Mar 03 2015 09:52 AM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

Billy Bean in camp to work out with and school the Mets.

Also in camp but neither working out nor actively schooling the Mets are the families of assassinated NYPD Officers Ramos and Liu.

Intrasquad Game Day Today. Will Geren's Herons beat Teufel's Truffles?

TransMonk
Mar 03 2015 10:21 AM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

Edgy MD wrote:
Billy Bean in camp to work out with and school the Mets.

I briefly confused Billy Bean with Billy Beane when I saw Rubin's article on this. The photo along side Sandy didn't help. It was my 10 to 12 seconds of WTF this morning.

Ceetar
Mar 04 2015 09:58 AM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

Matt Harvey and Jacob deGrom did a little play by play of yesterday's intersquad game.

[url]http://www.amazinavenue.com/2015/3/3/8145681/matt-harvey-and-jacob-degrom-do-play-by-play-for-mets-intrasquad-game

Frayed Knot
Mar 05 2015 06:08 PM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

Hunter Pence -- broken arm from HBP. 6-8 weeks

Yu Darvish -- pulled from 1st start with sore arm


And just think, if this were a WBC year folks would be tripping over each other to declare that these injuries would have never occurred.

G-Fafif
Mar 10 2015 06:46 AM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

One of those neat WSJ stories (by Joe Lemire) on how the nocturnally oriented professional ballplayer deals with holding a day job every spring.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/mets-player ... 1425948191

themetfairy
Mar 12 2015 11:25 AM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

The children of slain police officer William Ramos were guests of the Mets last weekend. They participated in the lineup card exchange and also bowled with a couple of Mets (including Daniel Murphy) on Sunday night.

Every time the kids were introduced I was ready to cry. But they seemed to have a great time hanging out with the team.

Ceetar
Mar 12 2015 11:25 AM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

supposedly David Wright was heavily involved in making that happen.

cooby
Mar 12 2015 11:59 AM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

Nice player pics metfairy :)

themetfairy
Mar 12 2015 12:36 PM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

Thanks cooby :)

Mets – Willets Point
Mar 13 2015 02:03 PM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

Will Ferrell's Baseball-Reference page: http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... wi01.shtml
Will Ferrell's Strat-O-Matic card: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B__CXNiUsAA6uat.jpg

Lefty Specialist
Mar 13 2015 02:23 PM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

Mets – Willets Point wrote:
Will Ferrell's Baseball-Reference page: http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... wi01.shtml
Will Ferrell's Strat-O-Matic card: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B__CXNiUsAA6uat.jpg


How he got that stellar 0.00 ERA...

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/B_8yHSsUwAEbkIE.mp4

Edgy MD
Mar 18 2015 10:55 AM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

Ferrell reflects on his long day.

[youtube:2up3ypwo]ZRWkElxe3bI[/youtube:2up3ypwo]

Edgy MD
Mar 24 2015 08:03 AM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

Business Insider: Mets Addicted to Trivia Crack.

Daily News: Kids Use Wishing Tree to Support Their Teams

[fimg=500]http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2159698.1427140810!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/mets1.jpg?enlarged[/fimg]

Listen, Wright, that wishing tree is for kids. You could at least try to disguise your handwriting.

Edgy MD
Mar 25 2015 07:34 AM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

"Nice of you to show up, Magellan."

Cubs pitcher Edwin Jackson winds up at wrong Spring Training park, misses start

PHOENIX - Some pitchers have trouble finding the plate. Edwin Jackson of the Chicago Cubs had a much bigger problem: He couldn't find the ballpark.

Jackson missed his spring training start Tuesday against the A's when he drove to the wrong stadium. Fitting, too -- he once walked eight batters in a no-hitter, and has never been known for great location.

Jackson took the blame for this errant wind-up. The 31-year-old veteran said he typed "Oakland Athletics spring training complex" into the Google Maps app on his phone and it directed him to Phoenix Municipal Stadium.

Too bad for Jackson, he didn't realize Oakland no longer played there. Instead, the A's moved out after last spring and now host games about 5 miles away at Hohokam Stadium.

"It was my fault for not looking to see where it was," Jackson said.

Phoenix Muni, as the ballpark is called, is the current base for the Arizona State Sun Devils college team. So Jackson headed to Hohokam, which was the Cubs' longtime spring home. He eventually got to the right place, not that it helped him.

He entered the game in the second inning and was tagged for eight runs and nine hits in only 1 2-3 innings of a 14-2 loss.

Jackson joins an ever-growing list of ballplayers to get lost.

A few years ago, a couple Cincinnati Reds went to Yankee Stadium when their game against the New York Mets was really at Citi Field. Roger Clemens once got mixed up trying to find Montreal's spring stadium in West Palm Beach, Florida.

And perhaps Braves pitcher Pascual Perez faced the toughest jam. In 1982, after getting his driver's license earlier in the day, he famously spent two hours on I-285 circling the city, unable to figure out how to exit to Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium.

Jackson said his late arrival didn't cause his lousy results.

"I was already dressed and got here in time to get ready, but they didn't want me to rush things," he said. "I came to the stadium with the mindset of being ready. It was a crazy way to start the day."

Ashie62
Mar 25 2015 09:44 AM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

Lets hope Harvey doesn't show at YS3 by accident.

Benjamin Grimm
Mar 25 2015 02:43 PM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

He'll be doing it intentionally starting in 2019.

Ceetar
Mar 25 2015 02:53 PM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
He'll be doing it intentionally starting in 2019.


I don't understand why everyone thinks he's intentionally going to leave a good team for a crappy one.

Benjamin Grimm
Mar 25 2015 02:54 PM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

Money.

Benjamin Grimm
Mar 25 2015 02:57 PM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

Actually, I can't say I'm sure he'll be a Yankee, but I strongly suspect he won't be a Met. If Harvey turns out to be nearly as good as we hope, Scott Boras will be looking for something like $300 million over ten years. And the Mets (wisely) won't go for that, but someone else probably will.

Of course, if Harvey falls short of expectations, those numbers will be different. But I still think that Boras will seek, and get, more years than the Mets will want to commit to.

Edgy MD
Mar 25 2015 05:10 PM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

A lot of baseball yet to play.

Possibly a few championships. Some grafted ligaments. Maybe a broken femur. A handful of underwear models. A few Qualcomm pitches. That embarrassing thing with the girl from The Sunglasses Hut back in 2017.

It's hard enough predicting 2015.

Ceetar
Mar 25 2015 05:16 PM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

Edgy MD wrote:
A lot of baseball yet to play.

Possibly a few championships. Some grafted ligaments. Maybe a broken femur. A handful of underwear models. A few Qualcomm pitches. That embarrassing thing with the girls from The Sunglasses Hut back in 2017.

It's hard enough predicting 2015.


fixed.

Benjamin Grimm
Mar 26 2015 06:10 AM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

I'm just saying that, more than most, this is a guy we should avoid getting too attached to.

Edgy MD
Mar 26 2015 06:19 AM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

Maybe, but whether due to artificial drags on the marketplace or a newfound sense of prudence, I'm not sure the baseball world defaults to big contracts = New York Yankees anymore.

Benjamin Grimm
Mar 26 2015 06:29 AM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

I don't care about the Yankees. My main point is that he's unlikely to remain a Met. Sure, I'd prefer him to be a Red Sock or a Mariner than a Yankee, but wherever he goes, if he's not a Met, he's off my radar.

Ceetar
Mar 26 2015 08:00 AM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
I'm just saying that, more than most, this is a guy we should avoid getting too attached to.


You could say that about anyone. I don't think Harvey is special in that regard. Also I'm fine with getting too attached to a guy that's under Mets control for 4 more years. That's a long time.

I don't think it's out of the question they could work out a long term deal before that either, if he continues to prove worth it.

Edgy MD
Mar 26 2015 08:19 AM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

Yeah, four years is plenty. I'm not going to get too detached over what might happen four years from now.

If he was just signed for four years, that would be seen as a lot of baseball ahead of him with the Mets. But a lot of folks are already living in the sunset with him. If anything, I'm not going to get too attached because of his consistent toolishness.

The idea of turning a good team into an excellent one, and an excellent one into a consistently excellent one, is still the challenge before them, and that's not going to float or sink on one enormous contract.

OE: And I guess it's more likely to sink, if the recent past is any guide.

Ashie62
Mar 26 2015 10:41 AM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

We need Matt Harvey healthy one year at a time.

dgwphotography
Mar 26 2015 11:40 AM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

I agree with Grimm on this. 2019 is a long way off (not as long as some of us think), but I don't enjoy rooting for him now.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Mar 26 2015 11:49 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 26 2015 01:59 PM

I don't think Harvey is the kind of guy for whom you root, per se. He's more the kind at whom you marvel, or gawk.

TransMonk
Mar 26 2015 01:51 PM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

Things I think about Harvey:

1. He is the best pitcher I've seen in a Mets uniform over the past 30 years.

2. If he wasn't wearing a Mets uniform, he would be one of my least favorite MLB players due to his machismo and douchiness.

I plan on riding the Harvey train as far as his arm will take the Mets and I hope they win a WS or three with him. But, I believe the window where Harvey benefits the Mets the most is over the next four years, so I'm not worried about where he goes (or doesn't go) after that.

themetfairy
Mar 26 2015 02:16 PM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

I don't know that I'd call him douchy. Douchiness implies a mean-spiritedness, and so far I haven't witnessed any of that from him.

He is cocky as hell. If he was an opposing player I'm sure I'd hate that. But while he's ours and his arm holds out, I'm going to enjoy the confidence and cockiness.

batmagadanleadoff
Mar 26 2015 02:20 PM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

themetfairy wrote:
I don't know that I'd call him douchy. Douchiness implies a mean-spiritedness, and so far I haven't witnessed any of that from him.

He is cocky as hell.


Harvey's a major douchebag. There's no doubt about that. Not that I wouldn't be doing most of the exact same things he's doing if I were him, other than that Qualcomm fiasco. And people would call me a douchebag.

TransMonk
Mar 26 2015 02:21 PM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

I think of "douchey" as being obnoxious and/or attracting undue attention. I agree that Matt is not mean-spirited.

Lefty Specialist
Mar 26 2015 02:34 PM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

Okay, he's a douchebag, but he's OUR douchebag. I'll take what he's giving off the mound if he can perform ON the mound.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Mar 26 2015 03:29 PM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

I think it's weird that he's all over John Varvatos and various Soho boutiques, but can't tie a tie. Did he grow up on a suburban Connecticut farm?

Ashie62
Mar 27 2015 07:54 PM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

Who is the Mets opening day second baseman?

Ceetar
Mar 28 2015 06:22 AM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

Ashie62 wrote:
Who is the Mets opening day second baseman?


Ruben

dgwphotography
Mar 28 2015 07:14 AM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

Lefty Specialist wrote:
Okay, he's a douchebag, but he's OUR douchebag. I'll take what he's giving off the mound if he can perform ON the mound.


He's a huge douchebag. He's won 12 games in his CAREER, and he's worried about his "brand". Win 20, don't do anything stupid, and your brand will take care of itself.

Edgy MD
Mar 28 2015 08:39 AM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

"My eyes are probably what I get the most compliments on. Definitely the lighter the shirt I am wearing, the more my eyes pop."


Tool is perhaps a more generous term, lacking the implication of a default hostility, but...

The article from which that quote comes didn't have the impact it should have, since his elbow exploded about 10 minutes later, but every single quote on it's own reveals him as a venal self-mythologizing tool that would embarrass Jeter himself. Together... whoo boy. We're heading toward Douchebag Country.

Edgy MD
Mar 29 2015 10:30 PM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

Mets sending entire team on road trips, trying to emulate Cardinals.

Ceetar
Mar 30 2015 07:14 AM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

Edgy MD wrote:
Mets sending entire team on road trips, trying to emulate Cardinals.


Can you paraphrase, I had to close it after the pot-shot in the first paragraph.

Edgy MD
Mar 30 2015 07:52 AM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

The post was a paraphrase.

A longer one: The team, at David Wright's initiative, has elected to travel en masse to road games during the last week of spring training, bringing all players whether or not they are scheduled to appear in that day's game. David learned this is what the Cardinals have been doing for some time, and spoke to Terry and his fellow vets to get their buy-in. The idea is to establish some esprit d'corps and to get the young players integrated into the competitive culture of the team and how they need to lean on and support each other in battle.

The Cardinals have done this during Yadier's culture, leaving only the pitchers scheduled for a rest day behind. But in the Mets' case, the pitchers all came too. The only ones who stayed behind were those scheduled for rehab work.

I just realized I worked two borrowed French phrases in that paraphrase. I should probably work in a third, but it wouldn't be à propos to force it.

Ceetar
Mar 30 2015 07:54 AM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

That's interesting.

Sorta a team building (is it sorta a team, or sorta team)? thing.

I've noticed a lot more "At David Wright's request.." stuff going on lately.

Edgy MD
Apr 08 2015 10:00 AM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

Revisiting the legend of Joe C.

Sort of a Mark Fidrych lite with regards to ephemeral new wave-era flakey white stars.

[fimg=550]http://imgick.cleveland.com/home/cleve-media/width620/img/ent_impact_home/photo/001-joejpg-eeb75cf7f7eb2384.jpg[/fimg]

Ashie62
Apr 08 2015 10:16 AM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

I regard Joe Charbonneau as our Mike Vail.

Edgy MD
Apr 11 2015 08:12 AM
Re: Spring Things, 2015

Matt LaChappa, Padre for life.

That's the way you do it.

[fimg=550]https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/lachappa08_c__302811.jpg?w=1280&h=998[/fimg]