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batmagadanleadoff
Feb 12 2015 04:46 PM

ESPN's David Schoenfield pegs the Mets as the 10th best team in the bigs, and predicts an 86-76 finish with a wild card appearance in the team's 2015 future.

10. New York Mets

Big offseason moves: Signed OF/1B Michael Cuddyer; signed OF John Mayberry Jr.; did not acquire Troy Tulowitzki, Ozzie Smith or Honus Wagner.

Most intriguing player:
Matt Harvey. Back from Tommy John surgery, Harvey was as good as any pitcher in baseball in 2013 before his injury. He'll be ready Opening Day. But will he be Matt Harvey, Cy Young contender?

Due for a better year:
David Wright played through a shoulder problem -- a bruised rotator cuff that sapped his power and finally forced him to shut things down in September. From 2009 to 2013, he hit .323/.412/.536 against fastballs; in 2014, he hit .281/.337/.363. A healthy Wright should be worth three to four extra wins for the Mets.

Due for a worse year: I'll take the under on Lucas Duda hitting 30 home runs again. Although I think he'll come close and be a pretty valuable contributor. It's one reason I like the Mets -- the lack of obvious decline candidates.

I'm just the messenger:
The problem with the Cuddyer signing is obvious: He doesn't have much range in right field, he's coming of a season in which he played just 49 games and while he hit .332 and .331 the past two seasons, he'd never hit .300 before going to the Rockies. And he turns 36 in March. The Mets signed Cuddyer and then apparently the Wilpons ran out of money because Sandy Alderson could have gone on vacation the rest of the winter.

The final word:
And yet ... I'm picking the Mets to win a wild card! My gut says either the Mets or the Marlins win a wild card, thanks in part to how bad the Phillies and Braves may be. I like the Mets better because of the depth in the rotation. Rookie of the Year Jacob deGrom is the real deal and Zack Wheeler has the arm strength and now the experience to take a leap forward. Obviously, a lot hinges on the comeback of Harvey and return to form of Wright. Everybody's concerned about Wilmer Flores at shortstop, but he doesn't project to be as terrible as everyone thinks. Anyway, every year there's at least one team that climbs from under .500 into the postseason (actually, there were two last season and three in 2013). The Mets are my pick for 2015.

Prediction: 86-76


http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/ ... hrough-7-2

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Feb 12 2015 05:42 PM
Re: Forecasting the 2015 Mets

Pessimistic PECOTA likes the Mets, too-- if only to the tune of a .500 record. (Which, sez them bots, will land them just out of the postseason... and that's WITH a grossly-conservative teamwide pitching performance projection.)

Edgy MD
Feb 12 2015 06:01 PM
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I like Wheeler as the most interesting guy in the rotation, if only because they won't be watching the innings like they will for Harvey and deGrom, so he'll be off the leash. Hopefully his control will be on the leash.

Plus, the team has had three different astounding years in a row — A Cy Young, an All-Star starter, and a Rookie of the Year — from three different starting pitchers. Got to look to the next guy.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Feb 12 2015 06:26 PM
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I'll go along with that. That his second halves have both been notably better than his first halves-- with his best one coming last year-- kind of whets the appetite further. If he gets off to a fast start, oh, Lawdy.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Feb 12 2015 06:28 PM
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I'm a Wheeler Watcher too.

Edgy MD
Feb 12 2015 07:38 PM
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He was the big name two years ago. And Harvey took the heat off of him. deGrom took it off him last year.

It'd be a great thing if he took the heat off the two of them this year.

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 15 2015 02:09 PM
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Mike "The Puma" Puma explains Why the 2015 season could be make-or-break year for Mets....

and includes this observation, about the David Wright re-signing (the first time I've ever read this in the mainstream press):

If the Mets had gone for a straight rebuild following general manager Sandy Alderson’s arrival four years ago, they would have allowed Wright to become a free agent 15 months ago, pocketing the compensatory draft pick, and almost certainly wouldn’t have signed Granderson before last season, when it was obvious the team was wasn’t yet ready for playoff contention....


But straight “rebuilding” — a word Alderson never has used throughout his tenure — hasn’t been an option for a franchise trying to convince fans it can compete for the playoffs every year and, yes, buy tickets now.

It has left the Mets somewhere between rebuilt from within and the veteran-laden group Alderson inherited upon his arrival


Me personally, I thought that the Mets shouldn't have re-signed Wright even before they re-signed him. My speculation is that this move was forced on Alderson from on up above. Alderson, especially, would know from first hand experience that when you have a payroll as puny as the Mets payroll, nobody, not even Mickey Mantle, should be getting 20-25% of the whole nut. This also led me to question, as H. Megdal also writes, if the Mets are even being truthful with Alderson about their payroll budget.

Ashie62
Feb 15 2015 07:03 PM
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Wheeler will be deadly when he gets his control down.

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 25 2015 12:13 AM
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Howie Megdal takes his laptop to USA Today. With new readers in his audience, you know it won't be long into the piece before the "M" word appears.
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Young arms give Mets fans hope after six years of woe
Howard Megdal, Special for USA TODAY Sports 10:41 p.m. EST February 24, 2015

Putting all of your chips on young pitching might not be the safest bet.

Then again, we're talking about the New York Mets. Ownership's bet on Bernie Madoff is why they don't have enough chips to bet on much of anything these days.

So indulge Mets fans, if you don't mind, who have come through the wilderness of six consecutive losing seasons, and finally have a reason — well, reasons, really — to hope that all the suffering has been worth it.

We are in an era of pitching. And few teams have more front-end, high-ceiling starting pitching than the Mets.

Fans are fixated on Matt Harvey, and understandably so. A 2013 Mets team that went 74-88 with Harvey looked like a contender when he pitched and an overmatched group when he didn't. His 9-5 record was deceiving. Three of the losses came in games in which the Mets scored zero to two runs.

So it isn't hard to understand why Mets fans can dream that a returning Harvey — now beyond a year recovered from Tommy John elbow surgery — can lead this team to greater things, especially with an offense that looks to be improved from when Harvey left:

Those 2013 Mets had John Buck at catcher. These Mets have Travis d'Arnaud, darling of the projection systems.

Those Mets had disappointing Ike Davis at first base. These Mets have Lucas Duda, fresh off a 30-homer season.

Those Mets had Eric YoungJr. in left field. These Mets have Curtis Granderson, whose 2014 was better than many realize — a 105 on-base-plus-slugging percentage plus is decidedly decent, if below what the team hoped for.

Those Mets had no shortstop. These Mets — well, still no real shortstop. Such are the limitations when ownership needs to finance $250 million in debt against the team, more than $600 million against the network SNY and twice-annual debt payments on Citi Field that exceed $43 million annually. That's a payroll to account for before accounting for payroll.

And, eventually, the young pitching will get expensive. But not yet. So in the meantime, there's Harvey. And not just him.

There's Jacob deGrom, the reigning National League rookie of the year. Like Harvey, deGrom came out and exceeded his minor league numbers at the major league level, generally a rare accomplishment. It was as if the Mets needed a Harvey replacement in 2014 and astonishingly received one.

DeGrom's performance wasn't quite at Harvey's 2013 level — a 130 ERA+ is very good, but Harvey checked in at 157 the last time Mets fans saw him. But deGrom profiles as a No.2 starter, easily, if he does nothing more than consolidate last year's gains.

And then there's Zack Wheeler, who gets left behind in many of these discussions but showed signs of growing over the second half of 2014. Keep in mind, though, that it feels like he has been around as long or longer than Harvey and deGrom, Wheeler is younger than both — he will be 25 until the end of May. Harvey will be 26 at the end of March, and deGrom will be 27 in June.

Wheeler's ERA dropped almost a full run from the first to second half last year, along with a steadily diminishing walk rate.

On another team, he would be the great young hope. On the Mets, he only needs to be a No.3 or No.4 starter.

The team has veterans back to supplement these three elite arms in Jon Niese, Dillon Gee and ageless Bartolo Colon. But they also have several pitchers who could come up from the minors and render those veterans superfluous.

Noah Syndergaard, 22, won't have to be what Harvey was, or what deGrom was, the great hope of an organization in need of it. He's as highly regarded as Harvey, and vastly more so than deGrom was in the minor leagues — a huge arm and talent Mets fans are going to enjoy when he arrives.

But generally speaking, pitching prospects grow slowly and in non-linear ways. That's tolerable at the big-league level out of the back end of a rotation, and that's all Syndergaard will need to be.

Don't count out Steven Matz, either. Arm injuries delayed the 2009 top pick of the Mets out of Long Island, but I had the chance to see him in the Florida State League last spring. He's a fast riser, with a plus-plus fastball and command of his secondary pitches. Seeing that kind of velocity and movement out of a lefty is a rarity, and Matz, 23, has the potential to be the best of them all.

Now, the caveats.

Pitching is extremely fragile. The Mets have obviously found a pitching pipeline that produces results, and pitching coach Dan Warthen deserves much of the credit. But they also trail many organizations in injury prevention, and that shows, too: Harvey's Tommy John; deGrom's shoulder injuries last year; repeated problems for Niese and Gee.

So expecting everybody to stay healthy is asking perhaps more than the Mets, or even the profession of pitching at this level, can provide.

Hoping for it, however, is more feasible than looking for elite offense out of a Mets team that needs David Wright and Granderson to rediscover peak form, or an unexpected star turn from Wilmer Flores at shortstop and Juan Lagares in center field to be any better than league average at the plate.

And it sure beats waiting for the financially compromised owners to spend money.

So no, there's no guarantee that these high-octane arms will lead the Mets back to October, as any fan who lived through GenerationK of Bill Pulsipher, Jason Isringhausen and Paul Wilson can tell you. But there's reason for hope in Flushing, real reason, for the first time in years.

And looking forward to something more in springtime than shrugging Fred Wilpon explaining why he didn't invest in his own team again?

Well, that's worth more than anything money can buy.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ml ... /23975479/

MFS62
Feb 25 2015 07:43 AM
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Hmmm. He waited to the second sentence before he mentioned Madoff.
Maybe he's mellowing.

Later

batmagadanleadoff
Mar 02 2015 11:14 AM
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Grantland's "30" -- a weekly column ranking MLB's teams makes its 2015 debut. You can practically smell the soft breeze drifting off of Crescent Lake and onto the mound at Butterball Field. The defending AL champion Royals are ranked 23rd, Yankees 20th, and your Mets are one notch better than their hometown rivals, entering the poll at 19.

Since the calendar has turned to 2015, we’re starting off fresh. Last year’s results don’t matter — sorry, Giants fans — and all teams are ranked based on how they look coming into the spring....

20. New York Yankees

Right now, the Yanks look like the worst team in the AL East. Every starting position player not named Didi Gregorius sits on the wrong side of 30, and many of them just aren’t very good. The rotation will lean heavily on three pitchers coming off injury-marred seasons — CC Sabathia, Masahiro Tanaka, and Michael Pineda — and the 34-year-old Sabathia might be cooked even if he does return to full health. As evidenced by the more than 1,000 comments on this River Avenue Blues post about 19-year-old Cuban sensation Yoan Moncada’s decision to sign with the Boston Red Sox instead of New York, the Yankees fan base is not in a good place right now.


19. New York Mets





Meanwhile, in Flushing, Mets fans are still pining for that shortstop of their dreams. Let’s hope light-hitting incumbent Wilmer Flores took up macramé or scrapbooking over the offseason — anything to avoid the barrage of criticism foisted upon him and GM Sandy Alderson. As wonderful as a magically healthy Tulowitzki in exchange for two C-minus prospects might sound, there’s real cause for Tulo-less optimism here. As a healthy Matt Harvey leads a deep rotation that can’t find room for dynamic prospects Noah Syndergaard (who’s ready for the majors) and Steven Matz (who’s getting close), the Mets seriously might have too much pitching. With all of those arms, catcher Travis d’Arnaud’s enticing combination of power and defense, and the prospect of fattening up on 37 games against the potentially terrible Phillies and Braves, the Mets could be stealth wild-card contenders this year.

Edgy MD
Mar 02 2015 11:40 AM
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A lot of criticism for Sandy, yeah, but little of it would describe Flores as a "light-hitting incumbent."

[list][*]A "bad-fit incumbent," certainly.[/*:m]
[*]A "poor-fielding incumbent," frequently.[/*:m]
[*]A "heavy-footed incumbent," often enough.[/*:m][/list:u]

i think they kind of fused Flores and Tejada into one unloved conflation named Florida.

Benjamin Grimm
Mar 02 2015 12:44 PM
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