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CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Atom (R. Palmer) vs. Elongated Man

Atom (W. Palmer)

10 votes

Elongated Man

0 votes

Edgy MD Feb 17 2015 08:43 PM

It's a white coat convention, as two scientists lock bunson burners in the Gold/Silver-Age Heroes Bracket of the DC/Indy Conference. [fimg=300]http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091115194327/marvel_dc/images/f/fd/Atom_Ray_Palmer_0004.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=280]http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120207050806/marvel_dc/images/5/5b/Elongated_Man_006.jpg[/fimg] Character Name: Atom Character Name: Elongated Man First Appearance: Showcase #34 (Oct. 1961) First Appearance: The Flash vol. 1, #112 (May 12, 1960) Creator(s): Gardner Fox, Gil Kane Creator(s): John Broome and Carmine Infantino Alter-Ego: Raymond "Ray" Palmer; aka The Mighty Mite Alter-Ego: Randolph William "Ralph" Dibny Place of Birth: Not sure, but he grew up in Ivy Town, CT Place of Birth: Waymore, NE How He Came to Be: It's complicated, but using dwarf star material and lenses, he discovered a way to shrink matter, but it would explode. But when he was in a tight spot, he shrunk himself, he didn't explode. There's some differing (and retconning) tales of why he's able to do this, but he is, and it's cool. How He Came to Be: Fascinated by contortionists, Ralph Dibny studied chemistry and developed a superconcentrated extract of the rare "gingo" fruit of the Yucatan. BAM! He consumed this extract to make himself stretchy. Base of Operations: Ivy University, Ivy Town, Connecticut; formerly Morlaidh, Brazil Base of Operations: Mobile. Teams/Affiliations: Justice League of America; formerly Suicide Squad, Teen Titans, Indigo Tribe (deputy), Katarthans Teams/Affiliations: Justice League, Doom Patrol, Black Lantern Corps Signature Lines: "Time for atomic action!" Signature Lines: "It's a mystery!" Arch-Enemy: Chronos the Time Bandit Arch-Enemy: Felix Faust Sidekick(s): Major Mynah (his bird-steed) Sidekick(s): None, but his wife played sort of Nora Charles-y role there for a while. That's sort of sidekick-y. Paramour(s): Jean Loring (eventual wife, then his ex), Laethwyn, princess of the Morlaidhans Paramour Sue Dibney (spouse) Has Been Played By: Alfie Wise, John Kassir, Brandon Routh Once Played By: Just a handful of cartoon versions, plus some mentions in live-action fare, but no appearances in the flesh as of yet. Could Have Been Played By: Russell Johnson Could Have Been Played By: Ron Howard Song I Think Of: "I Wish" Song I Think Of: "Stretch" Supernatural Powers: Atom can shrink to sub-atomic levels but maintain his human strength level. He does this through technologies buried in his belt. But this is just the power you associate with him, he can also change his molecular density, which can allow him to float like a feather (if needed), or punch through a brick wall (which is perhaps more typically needed). This package allows him to travel through phone lines and ride a signal to the destination number but also to dive into the bloodstream of villains (and heros! — Hello, Superman!) to screw with their powers. He can sometimes make others shrink down with him. Supernatural Powers: E-Man has the power you think he has, the uncanny ability to stretch and shape his body in elongated contortions. With this, comes enhanced agility, and (oddly enough) olfactory sense, as well as greatly enhanced durability. Non-Super Abilities: He's a heckuva scientist. This tech is his baby. His arch enemy Chronos considers him a fierce combatant. Non-Super Abilities: E fancies himself a detective of some cunning, having developed superior deductive reasoning along his path. He'd rather solve a crime with his head than with superpowers. He's also, naturally, a talented chemist. Stuff: Aside from the suit, and the belt that makes him shrink, he has (or had?) an indigo power ring (he was a member of the Indigo Tribe) powered by compassion, which provided him with flight, energy projection, and a protective force field. He also had a staff, but I don't know what that does or did. Stuff: What's he got that I ain't got? Nuttin'. Weaknesses: Tech dependent. Find a way to compromise his tech. Plus, even without shrinking, he's kinda short. Weaknesses: His stretchiness is physical in nature, rather than magical, so it's far more limited than Plastic Man's. He's also, while durable, not nearly as invulnerable as the Big P. He was one of the first supes not to bother with a secret identity, as well as one of the first to get married. I don't need to tell you how dangerous this is.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 18 2015 07:40 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Atom (R. Palmer) vs. Elastic Man

I know him as "Elongated Man", which is a really silly name. I had no idea he was ever known as "Elastic Man." But I voted for Atom.

Edgy MD Feb 18 2015 07:59 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Atom (R. Palmer) vs. Elastic Man

He's Elongated Man. I posted this while being Falling Asleepman. I got it right in the grid!

Mets – Willets Point Feb 18 2015 09:22 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Atom (R. Palmer) vs. Elongated Man

On first glance, I thought one of the options was Arnold Palmer. AKA Golf-Man!

Mets – Willets Point Feb 18 2015 09:26 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Atom (R. Palmer) vs. Elongated Man

Mets – Willets Point wrote: On first glance, I thought one of the options was Arnold Palmer. AKA Golf-Man! And now reading the description, I see that Atom is from Connecticut, the same place Golf-Man would be expected to set up his base of operations.

metsmarathon Feb 18 2015 09:48 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Atom (R. Palmer) vs. Elongated Man

how densely can atom remake himself? like, uranium-density? or black hole density? because uranium-density would be fairly cool (~20x heavier than ordinary human), but black hole density would be a game changer. though, really, what good is extra density if you cannot control your malleability, hardness, and fracture toughness? sure, you've got more mass, and can push harder, i guess. and if you have 20x more mass in a punch of a brick wall, you've got 20x more force to impart, but if you're still just a somewhat squishy human, it ain't gonna ultimately add up to a hill of beans. i guess if you're making your molecules more dense (by somehow creating matter, right? somehow packing in more material into the same amount of space) you've gotta be making tighter molecular bonds, so you're inherently stronger...? maybe i'm overthinking it...

Ceetar Feb 18 2015 09:55 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Atom (R. Palmer) vs. Elongated Man

Looking forward to Atom on Arrow, and he definitely seems cooler, so yeah, him.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 18 2015 10:33 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Atom (R. Palmer) vs. Elongated Man

There's some tricky history between these two. Like, beyond Ex-Work-Buddies Country, and onward into Your-Ex-Murdered-My-WifeLand. how densely can atom remake himself? like, uranium-density? or black hole density? because uranium-density would be fairly cool (~20x heavier than ordinary human), but black hole density would be a game changer. though, really, what good is extra density if you cannot control your malleability, hardness, and fracture toughness? sure, you've got more mass, and can push harder, i guess. and if you have 20x more mass in a punch of a brick wall, you've got 20x more force to impart, but if you're still just a somewhat squishy human, it ain't gonna ultimately add up to a hill of beans. i guess if you're making your molecules more dense (by somehow creating matter, right? somehow packing in more material into the same amount of space) you've gotta be making tighter molecular bonds, so you're inherently stronger...? maybe i'm overthinking it... I often wondered about this kinda stuff. Well, not in exactly the same way. Nerd. (More density in a tinytinytiny package makes a BIT of difference, doesn't it? You can, like, manually give even a Hulk/Thing-hardness guy an MCI or stroke, right?) Ralph Dibny was always a likable dude, but going public with the ID was literally a fatal mistake, and his powerset isn't all that original, is it? (Atom does have some Marvel counterparts, thanks to all the Pym-ing, but DC always got much more creative with shrinking-power usage, IIRC-- see: Sue Dibny's murder in the above link.) To my mind, these two trade figurative blows for a while, but at the end of said while, Ralph be all , and Ray be all: [youtube]1aj5KwgUkeA[/youtube]

Edgy MD Feb 18 2015 11:21 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Atom (R. Palmer) vs. Elongated Man

metsmarathon wrote: how densely can atom remake himself? like, uranium-density? or black hole density? because uranium-density would be fairly cool (~20x heavier than ordinary human), but black hole density would be a game changer. though, really, what good is extra density if you cannot control your malleability, hardness, and fracture toughness? sure, you've got more mass, and can push harder, i guess. and if you have 20x more mass in a punch of a brick wall, you've got 20x more force to impart, but if you're still just a somewhat squishy human, it ain't gonna ultimately add up to a hill of beans. i guess if you're making your molecules more dense (by somehow creating matter, right? somehow packing in more material into the same amount of space) you've gotta be making tighter molecular bonds, so you're inherently stronger...? maybe i'm overthinking it... I get the idea that these issues continue to be explored, plus there have been four other Atoms with variations on Palmer's power. wikipedia wrote: The Atom is one of the few heroes in the DC Universe that has 100% control over his body on the molecular level (Plastic Man and The Flash being examples of others), thus making him exponentially more powerful than he is often portrayed; he is only limited by his application of his powers. Some of the applications he's demonstrated include reducing his mass to glide through the air (simulating flight, like Wonder Woman) and increasing his mass to punch through concrete. He's also demonstrated the ability to make his costume appear and disappear at will by shifting its atoms between this dimension and another. dc wikis wrote: Able to instantly alter his molecular density to whatever degree he desires. Ray can also assume any weight at any height — up to his full 180 pounds. ... By shifting all his mass into his fists he can punch with incredible force. I voted for him. I just like his microscopic world and the art it generates more than the trippy cubism of a stretchy detective.

RealityChuck Feb 18 2015 11:33 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Atom (R. Palmer) vs. Elongated Man

Two favorites, but I went with the Atom. A far more imaginative set of powers.

Vic Sage Feb 18 2015 03:31 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Atom (R. Palmer) vs. Elongated Man

The Atom is a character with JSA/Golden Age roots, and a silver age update by one of my favorite artists, Gil Kane. Ray Palmer's got cool, adaptable powers and a great look. He can be a standard superhero teammate, a solo SciFi adventurer, even a high fantasy hero (see Kane's SWORD OF THE ATOM mini-series). But Ralph Dibny was just a 2nd-tier 2nd banana... the stretchy guy that showed up in THE FLASH and who was NOT Plastic Man. When his wife was murdered, he became a tragic 2nd-tier second banana, until he was finally killed off. This vote is a slam dunk.

Edgy MD Feb 18 2015 03:51 PM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Atom (R. Palmer) vs. Elongated Man

It's playing out that way, also, with a 9-0 lead for the Mighty Mite. Dibny is weird in that they seemed to want to create mystery-hound private eye, and the superpower is just sort of like a deference to superhero books' dominance of the market place. If it was just Ralph Dibney and His Nose for Crime, it might have been more of a winner.

MFS62 Feb 19 2015 07:39 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Atom (R. Palmer) vs. Elongated Man

Gotta' go for the Nutmegger over the Cornhusker. Later OH, I now can see the entire width of these with my new computer.

Edgy MD Mar 04 2015 08:12 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Atom (R. Palmer) vs. Elongated Man

Rare shutout victory for the little one!

MFS62 Mar 04 2015 08:50 AM Re: CPF WotS, Rd. 1: Atom (R. Palmer) vs. Elongated Man

Edgy MD wrote: Rare shutout victory for the little one! Guys have been saying for years that size doesn't matter. But I guess that extra density helps. Later