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CF WotS, Rd. 1: Robin (T. Drake) vs. Robin (J. Todd)


Tim Drake's Robin 5 votes

Jason Todd's Robin 4 votes

Edgy MD
Feb 20 2015 08:59 PM

Who knew that a pair of tights and some sweet living quarters could put two men at odds with each other. but we have Robin fighting Robin here in the greatest battle for shotgun in the history of shotgun battles.

Batman Family indeed.

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Character Name:RobinCharacter Name:Robin
First Appearance:Batman #436 (August 1989)First Appearance:The Flash vol. 1, #112 (May 12, 1960)
Creator(s):Marv Wolfman, Pat BroderickCreator(s):John Broome and Carmine Infantino
Alter-Ego:Tim Drake; aka Timothy Jackson Drake-Wayne, Red Robin, The Urban Legend, Tim Wayne, Alvin Draper, Mister Sarcastic, Batman, Joker Junior, Little J, Todd Richards, Gary Glanz, Caroline Hill, Mystery Danger, The Poker, The Boy WonderAlter-Ego:Jason Todd; aka Red Hood, Nightwing, Hush, Red Robin, Wingman, Batman, John Doe, The Boy Wonder
Place of Birth:Gotham City, NJPlace of Birth:Gotham City, NJ
How He Came to Be:When Tim was a boy, he met the Flying Graysons on a trip to the circus. Gifted with a deductive mind, he figures out at the age of nine who Batman and Robin are, having seen Dick Grayson as a Robin perform a similar arial trick to one he executed as a Flying Grayson. Bruce recruits him to be the new Boy Wonder following the death of hs mother and the crippling of his father. His father later dies, because all Robins, like the Batman they follow, are destined to be orphans.How He Came to Be:"Two possible origins:
(1) Like his predecessor, Jason was the child of acrobats killed by a criminal. He started dressing like Robin until Dick Grayson tracked him down, challenged him, and gave him a real costume once he found out his successor was up to the task.
(2) A child of the slums and a broken home, Batman meets Jason while he's trying to boost the hubcaps off the Batmobile. He initially tries to intervene by sending Todd to boarding school, but eventually allows him onto the team.
Base of Operations:Gotham City, NJ; Blüdhaven, NJBase of Operations:Gotham City, NJ
Teams/Affiliations:Batman Family, Teen Titans, Young Justice, Wayne Enterprises, Batman Inc., OutsidersTeams/Affiliations:Batman Family, Batman Inc., Teen Titans, Challengers From Beyond, The Outlaws
Signature Lines:"What's my dad gonna do when I get home? I'm probably grounded into retirement."Signature Lines:"Nice' and Batman don't really gel, do they?"
Arch-Enemy:King SnakeArch-Enemy:Two-Face, initially
Sidekick(s):NoneSidekick(s):None
Paramour(s):Stephanie Brown, Tamara "Tam" FoxParamourDonna Troy/Wonder Girl (unrequited), Koriand'r/Starfire
Has Been Played By:TV and film don't seem to get far past Dick Grayson's RobinOnce Played By:TV and film don't seem to get far past Dick Grayson's Robin
Could Have Been Played By:Joseph Gordon-LevittCould Have Been Played By:Robbie Amell
Song I Think Of:"Rockin' Robin" by Bobby DaySong I Think Of:"Rockin' Robin" by The Jackson 5
Supernatural Powers:Ain't got none.Supernatural Powers:Not how he rolls.
Non-Super Abilities:While Drake is a superb young athlete, trained by Batman and others in Ninjutsu, Karate, Judo, Aikido, Wing Chun, Shaolin Kung-Fu, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, & Jeet Kune Do, he wasn't the natural hand-to-hand combatant of other Robins and took up that Bo-stick (Bojitsu) and kicks ass nicely with that. He has subsequently held his own among some of the deadliest competition, his fighting style marked less by the ferocity of Batman and other Robins, and more by strategic thinking and forethought.

His deductive reasoning skills have led Batman to conclude that he will inherit the mantle of ""world's greatest detective,"" having out-strategized master villians such as R'as a Ghul. He's also a highly skilled computer user, scientist (biology, genetics, engineering), and polyglot, speaking English, Cantonese, Russian, Spanish, and German.
Non-Super Abilities:Jason was trained by Batman in acrobatics, detective work, marksmanship and martial arts. After his resurrection, he wandered the world like young Batman had, seeking deeper and more esoteric training, including from some of the same schools. And then he killed his masters. So he can handle himself.
Stuff:He's got a bo-stick, a semi-armored costume, a utility belt characteristic of a Bat-team guy, and load of batarangs.Stuff:He's got explosives, rocket launchers, machine guns, and other military-grade weaponry at his disposal. Prefers his assassin's dagger.
Weaknesses:He's a kid in an adult world, and a mortal among demigods.Weaknesses:He's got the weaknesses of a human, albeit a strong and acrobatic one. Has trouble not being governed by his emotions.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Feb 21 2015 06:34 PM
Re: CF WotS, Rd. 1: Robin (T. Drake) vs. Robin (J. Todd)

You kind of glossed over the pertinent facts here, namely that Jason Todd was:

(A) an angry, borderline-sadistic prick of a Robin;
(B) the Robin killed off by the Joker/condemned to die in the controversial late-'80s 900-number (!) fan vote
(C) Unpopular enough that fans would call a 900-number to kill off a Robin
(D) Oh, yeah, he was resurrected. By something weird and deus-ex-dimension-rippling that had absolutely nothing to do with him directly. Comics!
(E) He's now essentially the Punisher in a red mask

Tim Drake was an almost-too-perfect replacement for Robin, a less jocular/even brighter version of Dick Grayson. But he deepened, darkened, and developed. Or at least, he developed into something far more heroic than the brat who wouldn't stay dead. LOVE the Drake!

Edgy MD
Feb 21 2015 08:36 PM
Re: CF WotS, Rd. 1: Robin (T. Drake) vs. Robin (J. Todd)

Tim Drake would have been too perfect if he followed Dick Grayson directly.

Following Jason Todd, he was sweet relief.

I think the New 52 universe has yet a third distinct origin for Todd. What a wretch.

Vic Sage
Feb 24 2015 03:18 PM
Re: CF WotS, Rd. 1: Robin (T. Drake) vs. Robin (J. Todd)

there's Dick Grayson and then everybody else.

Edgy MD
Mar 09 2015 08:18 PM
Re: CF WotS, Rd. 1: Robin (T. Drake) vs. Robin (J. Todd)

The Drake edges the Todd.