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Mets settle with Castergine

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 13 2015 01:08 PM Mets settle harrassment suit

In a shocker, the terms of the settlement were not disclosed .

Gwreck Mar 13 2015 01:09 PM

"Joint Statement of the New York Mets and Leigh Castergine" The parties have decided to resolve this matter, which has brought more attention to the workplace environment for women in sports and will result in the organization being more attentive to the important issues raised by women in sports. Additionally, we are both committed to the further development and encouragement of female executives in our industry. Both sides have agreed to have no further comments.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 13 2015 01:10 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

Now watch as Wilpon fires Sandy Alderson so as to make a show of hiring a woman in his place.

Ceetar Mar 13 2015 01:12 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Now watch as Wilpon fires Sandy Alderson so as to make a show of hiring a woman in his place. Instead of doing the really innovative thing and firing TERRY to hire a woman.

Edgy MD Mar 13 2015 01:17 PM Re: Mets settle harrassment suit

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: In a shocker, the terms of the settlement were not disclosed . Most predictable thing of things. And those terms will almost just as certainly include a gag order.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 13 2015 01:22 PM Re: Mets settle harrassment suit

Edgy MD wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: In a shocker, the terms of the settlement were not disclosed . Most predictable thing of things. And those terms will almost just as certainly include a gag order. That's not a gag order. That's an agreement. I wonder what it's like to be so rich that you can do just about anything you wanna do and buy your way out of any trouble you make.

Edgy MD Mar 13 2015 01:24 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

Yeah, I guess "nondisclosure agreement" is more accurate.

d'Kong76 Mar 13 2015 01:30 PM Re: Mets settle harrassment suit

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I wonder what it's like to be so rich that you can do just about anything you wanna do and buy your way out of any trouble you make. I thought they were broke? Sorry, I just hadda.. I hadda!!

Lefty Specialist Mar 13 2015 01:56 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

Well, I hope she got a pretty penny because filing these kind of suits often make it hard to find employment thereafter.

d'Kong76 Mar 13 2015 02:15 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

Lefty Specialist wrote: Well, I hope she got a pretty penny because filing these kind of suits often make it hard to find employment thereafter. I'm sure it was a handsome settlement. She's probably already working somewhere else.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 13 2015 02:27 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

Can't wait for the inevitable and condescending take from the Commissioner's office, where this settlement is equated with a. complete vindication from a jury.

d'Kong76 Mar 13 2015 02:37 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

Her camp wouldn't have settled if it wasn't a good settlement. Making her a victim twice is just looking to prolong the story.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 13 2015 03:10 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

This story is begging for some prolonging. What are you talking about, anyway?

themetfairy Mar 13 2015 03:45 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

They should have settled this months ago - it was a fact pattern that would have survived a motion to dismiss, and there was nothing to be gained by letting this get to trial.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 13 2015 03:51 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

Nothing to be gained? By anybody?

d'Kong76 Mar 13 2015 03:52 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

batmagadanleadoff wrote: This story is begging for some prolonging. Then prolong it, Counselor.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 13 2015 03:59 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

d'Kong76 wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: This story is begging for some prolonging. Then prolong it, Counselor. I'm powerless to do so. All I know is that whatever Jeff did, he did it as the owner of a baseball team, during the day to day running of his baseball team, and to an employee of his baseball team. But this current sycophant of a commissioner who replaced the old sycophant will probably now let Jeff hide behind this secret agreement, as if the NDA between Jeff and Leigh absolves MLB from conducting its own internal investigation. And besides, we all know that even if MLB ever did decide to investigate the matter, their findings would likely amount to a total whitewashing of the whole thing. The commissioner would've probably appointed Saul Katz to lead the investigation. If only Adam Silver were running MLB....

d'Kong76 Mar 13 2015 04:13 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

I meant prolong it here... obviously.

themetfairy Mar 13 2015 05:06 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Nothing to be gained? By anybody? Nothing. The Mets don't need the bad publicity, and Leigh doesn't want to be unemployable in the future. It's mutually beneficial for both parties to settle quietly.

Ashie62 Mar 13 2015 06:20 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

It was in Jeff's best interest to settle.

d'Kong76 Mar 13 2015 06:35 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

Edgy MD Mar 13 2015 07:04 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

Allow me to fix that photo. (Eh, I don't get it.)

d'Kong76 Mar 13 2015 07:26 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

I just didn't want him to delete it... he did that not long ago answering me with some guy sucking on a stool- like poopsicle... yet so many love the guy??

Ashie62 Mar 13 2015 07:48 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

That is Steve Carrell as John Dupont in Foxcatcher. He looks like Jeff Wilpon.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 14 2015 02:09 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

batmagadanleadoff wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: This story is begging for some prolonging. Then prolong it, Counselor. I'm powerless to do so. All I know is that whatever Jeff did, he did it as the owner of a baseball team, during the day to day running of his baseball team, and to an employee of his baseball team. But this current sycophant of a commissioner who replaced the old sycophant will probably now let Jeff hide behind this secret agreement, as if the NDA between Jeff and Leigh absolves MLB from conducting its own internal investigation. And besides, we all know that even if MLB ever did decide to investigate the matter, their findings would likely amount to a total whitewashing of the whole thing. The commissioner would've probably appointed Saul Katz to lead the investigation. If only Adam Silver were running MLB.... Because what if it turns out that Leigh Castergine's version of events is the right one? What if her accusations were truthful and accurate? How will the public ever know now? Does MLB close its books on the matter because the parties settled? And if so, doesn't that essentially say that an owner can buy his way out of any consequences for his bad acts?

d'Kong76 Mar 15 2015 08:58 AM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

She settled, case closed.

Lefty Specialist Mar 15 2015 09:16 AM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

batmagadanleadoff wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: This story is begging for some prolonging. Then prolong it, Counselor. I'm powerless to do so. All I know is that whatever Jeff did, he did it as the owner of a baseball team, during the day to day running of his baseball team, and to an employee of his baseball team. But this current sycophant of a commissioner who replaced the old sycophant will probably now let Jeff hide behind this secret agreement, as if the NDA between Jeff and Leigh absolves MLB from conducting its own internal investigation. And besides, we all know that even if MLB ever did decide to investigate the matter, their findings would likely amount to a total whitewashing of the whole thing. The commissioner would've probably appointed Saul Katz to lead the investigation. If only Adam Silver were running MLB.... Because what if it turns out that Leigh Castergine's version of events is the right one? What if her accusations were truthful and accurate? How will the public ever know now? Does MLB close its books on the matter because the parties settled? And if so, doesn't that essentially say that an owner can buy his way out of any consequences for his bad acts? Yes it does, as long as the owner is a buddy of the commissioner. If not, you get the Frank McCourt treatment.

d'Kong76 Mar 15 2015 09:56 AM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

Howard's report... doesn't mention Madoff until ¶4! http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/m ... ges-bullet

batmagadanleadoff Mar 15 2015 02:04 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

MLB should've investigated this matter as soon as it came to light. The lawsuit was civil, not criminal. Therefore, there was little reason for MLB to stand by while the legal process played out. Not that MLB ever stood by, anyways. MLB walked away from the whole thing. From Day One.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 16 2015 01:26 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

Wow. Still no comment from the Commish. What a surprise. It's as if nothing ever happened here.

Lefty Specialist Mar 16 2015 01:31 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

Ceetar Mar 16 2015 01:37 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

I'm still unsure why you think it's MLBs job to stick it's nose into the Mets office workplace and it's lawsuits. Never mind that Leigh can't actually talk to MLB about it.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 16 2015 01:42 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

Here we go...

batmagadanleadoff Mar 16 2015 01:42 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

Ceetar wrote: I'm still unsure why you think it's MLBs job to stick it's nose into the Mets office workplace and it's lawsuits. Never mind that Leigh can't actually talk to MLB about it. Because MLB should not tolerate the kind of demeaning misogynistic behavior Castergine accused Jeff Wilpon of committing -- not on MLB's watch. (See, Sterling, Donald and the NBA). Do you really need to ask? And don't get me started on those confidentiality agreements.

Nymr83 Mar 16 2015 03:41 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

don't get you started on an agreement that is mutually beneficial to two consenting parties? ok, sure.

d'Kong76 Mar 16 2015 03:54 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

I don't need to hear commishspeak on this matter. The two parties settled and it's over and done with.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 16 2015 04:07 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine Edited 5 time(s), most recently on Mar 16 2015 04:57 PM

It's not that simple. Wilpon shouldn't be permitted to use the NDA to shield himself from the consequences of harming or having harmed others who are not parties to that confidentiality agreement. If MLB decides to investigate the Castergine matter because it frowns upon its owners who commit civil rights violations during the day to day running of their teams, or if a new Jeff sexual discrimination/harassment accuser emerges and wants discovery into the Castergine matter to demonstrate a pattern and history of abuse of the same type, Jeff shouldn't be able to shield himself from those inquiries because he bought Leigh's silence.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 16 2015 04:09 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

Nymr83 wrote: don't get you started on an agreement that is mutually beneficial to two consenting parties? ok, sure. See my last post. It's not just between Jeff and Leigh.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 16 2015 04:46 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

d'Kong76 wrote: I don't need to hear commishspeak on this matter. The two parties settled and it's over and done with. It's over? That's some slippery slope you're slipperying up. What other trouble should Jeff Wilpon be allowed to buy his way out of to avoid league punishment? What other bad acts should MLB ignore and keep its nose out of so long as the parties eventually settle? Racial discrimination? Separate water fountains for the "colored" Mets employees? Maybe we'll let Jeff lynch a homosexual so long as he pays off the estate handsomely. Meanwhile, we're supposed to worship at the Jackie Robinson Rotunda that was installed with desperate haste even though about half of the Mets fans could care less about the rotunda and probably wish it wasn't even there in the first place --- and then pretend that the Mets symbolize all of the ideals that Jackie Robinson was supposed to have stood for.

Nymr83 Mar 16 2015 07:46 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

If Jeff broke laws I hope the authorities come after him. If not, I have very little use for MLB imposing discipline for things that have nothing to do with the game on the field.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 16 2015 09:12 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

Nymr83 wrote: If Jeff broke laws I hope the authorities come after him. If not, I have very little use for MLB imposing discipline for things that have nothing to do with the game on the field. So let's discuss this. What "laws" do you think Jeff should be able to breach or violate at will without being held accountable by MLB? Criminal laws? Civil laws and/or statutes? What if Jeff violates someone's constitutional right that isn't specifically protected by statute? Some other category of "laws"? And whaddya mean by "things that have nothing to do with the game on the field"? Does that include the day to day business operations of the team? I mean, do you think there would even be a game on the field if MLB couldn't sell a single ticket? Or charge a parking fee? Because I don't see how you can separate the business end from the playing of the sport itself, especially since the sport is essentially a business and the owners are mainly in it for the money. I doubt that the owners spend eight or nine figures in annual team payroll out of the goodness of their hearts. Do you think MLB and the other owners would look the other way if Jeff Wilpon sold David Wright and Matt Harvey jerseys in his own separate deal to keep the money from the sale of those jerseys for himself?

Nymr83 Mar 17 2015 11:01 AM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

So let's discuss this. What "laws" do you think Jeff should be able to breach or violate at will without being held accountable by MLB? Criminal laws? Civil laws and/or statutes? What if Jeff violates someone's constitutional right that isn't specifically protected by statute? Some other category of "laws"? All of them. The relevant authorities in the jurisdiction in question should deal with enforcing the law. MLB should punish only if/when there is a crimial conviction. Temporary suspensions when charges are pending may or not be appropriate depending on the seriousness of the charges (ie rape, murder). MLB certainly shouldn't be playing constitutional lawyer to determine what "rights" a former employee of the Mets might have and also dtermine whether they have been "violated", we have courts for that. And whaddya mean by "things that have nothing to do with the game on the field"? thats pretty self-explanatory to anyone who is not being willfully obtuse.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 17 2015 11:26 AM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

Nymr83 wrote: So let's discuss this. What "laws" do you think Jeff should be able to breach or violate at will without being held accountable by MLB? Criminal laws? Civil laws and/or statutes? What if Jeff violates someone's constitutional right that isn't specifically protected by statute? Some other category of "laws"? All of them. The relevant authorities in the jurisdiction in question should deal with enforcing the law. MLB should punish only if/when there is a crimial conviction. Temporary suspensions when charges are pending may or not be appropriate depending on the seriousness of the charges (ie rape, murder). MLB certainly shouldn't be playing constitutional lawyer to determine what "rights" a former employee of the Mets might have and also dtermine whether they have been "violated", we have courts for that. And whaddya mean by "things that have nothing to do with the game on the field"? thats pretty self-explanatory to anyone who is not being willfully obtuse. You can tell from my prior posts that I don't agree with you. There's an enormous range of conduct, reprehensible and despicable, that isn't necessarily criminal. Your policy would permit the owners, not just Jeff Wilpon, but all of the owners, to systemically engage in racial and gender discrimation, among other things, during the day to day operations of their teams, without interference from MLB, even though the owners and their teams, collectively, are MLB. In Castergine's case, the parties settled before trial. I've no doubt, even though I've no proof and it's just my hunch, that although the settlement amount likely represented an enormous sum of money to someone like Castergine, Jeff Wilpon, and all of the other owners are so fabulously wealthy, that they can afford to foot a settlement of that kind as easily as anybody on this forum can afford to treat themselves to lunch at Burger King. If Castergine's accusations were truthful, Wilpon got off scott free. But MLB is a ruthless business, and they'll ignore incidents like this one until they believe that their pocketbooks are at risk -- just like those manufacturers who won't make necessary repairs to dangerous products until they sense that expenses incurred from legal fees and jury verdicts will exceed the costs of repairs.

Ceetar Mar 17 2015 11:59 AM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

if someone sues Aramark and Citi Field for watering down the taps, is MLB obligated to come in and make sure they're not scamming customers? The Oakland Raiders were sued by the cheerleaders for underpaying them, among other accusations. Did the NFL come in and investigate? Did they check the other employees? Maybe they're skimping on the line cooks in the concession stands too.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 17 2015 12:08 PM Re: Mets settle with Castergine

Ceetar wrote: if someone sues Aramark and Citi Field for watering down the taps, is MLB obligated to come in and make sure they're not scamming customers? The Oakland Raiders were sued by the cheerleaders for underpaying them, among other accusations. Did the NFL come in and investigate? Did they check the other employees? Maybe they're skimping on the line cooks in the concession stands too. I wouldn't equate those acts with accusations of civil rights violations. Still, I don't see why the leagues shouldn't investigate. If one team can intentionally water their taps without league oversight, then so can all of the other teams. Does the league want a reputation for permitting its teams to cheat their customers? Isn't in the league's interest to crack down on this behavior? Why do you believe that the business end of the sport should be beyond league oversight? What if the cash strapped Mets ran a heroin ring out of the back of their ticket sales office? Again, perhaps the league doesn't respond to negative press until their wallets are impacted. Too bad someone can't organize the fans. 'Cause if you can get them to boycott games same way that civic leaders got the riders of Birmingham Transit to boycott their buses in '55, then the leagues would act ethically responsibly.