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IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

batmagadanleadoff Apr 28 2015 08:39 AM

If you're in Miami and need your palm tree trimmed, Montero's your man. (Walking distance from the Miami-Dade County Cemetery). Certified arborist on Angie's List since 2006. www.angieslist.com/companylist/us/fl/mi ... 253083.htm

batmagadanleadoff Apr 28 2015 08:42 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Terry Collins's wife raves about the Montero Tree Service trim. [fimg=444:3jbxp7lx]http://d3rm69wky8vagu.cloudfront.net/article-photos/large/1.166906.jpg[/fimg:3jbxp7lx]

batmagadanleadoff Apr 28 2015 08:43 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Terry Collins's wife shows off those Miami Art Deco touches to her Collins Avenue pad.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 28 2015 08:48 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

"I thought Kathy Kersh was fast, but that was before I met Terry Collins's wife". [fimg=577]http://www.spookyisles.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Siren.jpg[/fimg]

d'Kong76 Apr 28 2015 09:10 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

NY Mets at Miami When: 7:10 PM ET, Tuesday, April 28, 2015 Where: Marlins Park, Miami, Florida SportsDirect Inc. After putting an end to the Miami Marlins' winning streak in stunning fashion in the series opener, the visiting New York Mets look to remain unbeaten against their National League East rivals this season when they continue their three-game set on Tuesday. A scoreless duel between Dillon Gee and Jarred Cosart on Monday ended in the bottom of the eighth inning as Martin Prado delivered Miami's third straight two-out single to plate the first run of the night. It wouldn't be the last, however, as David Murphy belted a one-out, three-run homer off Steve Cishek in the ninth, and Jeurys Familia worked a perfect bottom half as New York improved to 5-0 in the season series. Carlos Torres picked up the win after needing just one pitch to retire the only batter he faced as the Mets posted their 13th victory in 15 games. Dee Gordon continued his torrid pace for the Marlins, collecting two of his team's six hits after going 8-for-13 during a weekend sweep of Washington. Miami had won five in a row prior to Monday's crushing loss, outscoring its opponents 32-6 in the process. TV: 7:10 p.m. ET, SNY (New York), FSN Florida (Miami) PITCHING MATCHUP: Mets Montero (0-1, 4.15 ERA) vs. Marlins RH David Phelps (1-0, 3.55) Montero will be recalled from Triple-A Las Vegas to make his first start of the season. The 24-year-old Dominican made four relief appearances for New York earlier this month, going 0-1 while allowing three runs - two earned - and four hits with four walks and seven strikeouts in 4 1/3 innings. Montero posted a 1-3 record and 4.06 ERA in 10 games (eight starts) last campaign - his first in the major leagues. Phelps will be making his third start after beginning the season with a pair of relief appearances. The 28-year-old St. Louis native was superb at Philadelphia on Thursday, scattering three hits and two walks over seven scoreless innings for his first victory of the year. Phelps has made two career starts against New York, going 0-1 while allowing five earned runs in five frames. WALK-OFFS: 1. Marlins SS Adeiny Hechavarria went 0-for-3 in the opener just hours after being named the NL Player of the Week. He received the honor after going 12-for-24 with 10 RBIs and eight runs scored in six games. 2. New York registered more hits in the ninth inning (three) on Monday than in the previous eight frames combined (two). 3. Miami designated C Jarrod Saltalamacchia for assignment after the veteran recorded just two hits in 29 at-bats.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 28 2015 09:31 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Miami Beach Jackie and the President on the links. Palm trees trimmed by Montero's Tree Service.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 28 2015 09:57 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Why isn't Jeff Wilpon in that photo?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 28 2015 10:01 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

We need another Jeff Wilpon photoshop thread

Frayed Knot Apr 28 2015 10:08 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Was Nixon ever photographed NOT in a suit?

batmagadanleadoff Apr 28 2015 10:18 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Frayed Knot wrote: Was Nixon ever photographed NOT in a suit? Secret Service scubadiver fishes suitless Nixon's ball out of the pond while Miami Beach Jackie lends an iron for support. [fimg=755]http://www.robsmith.biz/wp-content/plugins/rss-poster/cache/64e32_GLEASON.jpeg[/fimg]

Edgy MD Apr 28 2015 10:36 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Lefty Specialist Apr 28 2015 10:47 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Mrs Collins wishes her husband could make decisions less emotionally. Danny Muno as DH in Yankee Stadium? It is not logical. Careful, Terry, she falls for The Captain.

sharpie Apr 28 2015 12:56 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Ruben Tejada, your #6 hitter: Good guys: 1. Curtis Granderson (L) RF 2. Juan Lagares (R) CF 3. Lucas Duda (L) 1B 4. Eric Campbell (R) 3B 5. Daniel Murphy (L) 2B 6. Ruben Tejada (R) SS 7. Kirk Nieuwenhuis (L) LF 8. Anthony Recker (R) C 9. Rafael Montero (R) P Bad guys: 1. Dee Gordon (L) 2B 2. Martin Prado (R) 3B 3. Giancarlo Stanton (R) RF 4. Marcell Ozuna (R) CF 5. Michael Morse (R) 1B 6. J.T. Realmuto (R) C 7. Ichiro Suzuki (L) LF 8. Adeiny Hechavarria (R) SS 9. David Phelps (R) P

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2015 01:02 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

If this were a month ago, that sort of away lineup would tempt a fine/Commish's Office-talking-to.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 28 2015 01:08 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Miami Cool. New York pals Frankie and Jackie take their friendship down South to Miami Beach. Years earlier, The Great One vomited all over Sinatra at the Polo Grounds during the Shot Heard Round the World game. [fimg=855:2mrhju3o]http://www.thenationalpastimemuseum.com/sites/default/files/Jackie%20Gleason%20Frank%20Sinatra.jpg[/fimg:2mrhju3o]

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 28 2015 01:10 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: If this were a month ago, that sort of away lineup would tempt a fine/Commish's Office-talking-to. Did it ever come out why Terry used Muno over Kirk the other night? I thought I saw a tweet suggesting that TC knew something but Bryan Price style wouldn't reveal it.

Ceetar Apr 28 2015 01:17 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: If this were a month ago, that sort of away lineup would tempt a fine/Commish's Office-talking-to. Did it ever come out why Terry used Muno over Kirk the other night? I thought I saw a tweet suggesting that TC knew something but Bryan Price style wouldn't reveal it. I didn't see anything. My guess? Terry knew he was getting sent down for Montero and wanted to get him a start.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 28 2015 01:26 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Well its a shame that Kirk is off to such a poor start, he's in that rut where he's striking out half the time, but I'd have tried to get him going MFY Stadium III if anywhere. Jared Diamond ?@jareddiamond Apr 26 Terry Collins says there is a reason why Danny Muno is DHing today, but he won't divulge it. Doesn't want the Yankees to find out. Hm.

Lefty Specialist Apr 28 2015 01:29 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Miami Cool. New York pals Frankie and Jackie take their friendship down South to Miami Beach. Years earlier, The Great One vomited all over Sinatra at the Polo Grounds during the Shot Heard Round the World game. [fimg=855]http://www.thenationalpastimemuseum.com/sites/default/files/Jackie%20Gleason%20Frank%20Sinatra.jpg[/fimg] I love that picture. The fake masterpieces on the wall. Frank in his combover stage. Jackie joyfully puffing on one of those ciggies that would eventually kill him. The guy in the background keeping his eyes peeled to make sure they weren't disturbed by the riff-raff.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2015 05:38 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

So, yeah, we've got a ballgame in and among all this fashion-week talk, don't we? And in said ballgame, young Seņor Hunter has been throwing a lot of not-fastballs during the first two frames, to pretty awesome effect thus far.

Edgy MD Apr 28 2015 05:52 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Eight up and eight down with five strikeouts. OE: nine.

themetfairy Apr 28 2015 05:52 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Montero es en fuego in the early going!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2015 05:53 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Apparently the Tree Service also does some painting, specializing in outside corners.

Edgy MD Apr 28 2015 05:56 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Hey, MLB teams, you could have had this guy if you'd pony'd up.

Edgy MD Apr 28 2015 06:01 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Murphy, score on that noise.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2015 06:04 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Edgy MD wrote: Murphy, score on that noise. Right? Christ, Teixeira made a highlight out of that noise against us.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2015 06:07 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Our three hits have all come with two outs. Their first is a leadoff double from Dee Friggin' Gordon with Prado and Stanton due. I don't like our odds.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2015 06:11 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

And that's why I'm not handicapping college football games for a living. Tasty pick from Soup, there.

Frayed Knot Apr 28 2015 06:12 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Man this game is dragging, at this rate it might take 2:15 or so before it's over!

Edgy MD Apr 28 2015 06:21 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

I don't want to make a deal out of things where there's no deal, but Murph should be riding pine right now.

Edgy MD Apr 28 2015 06:22 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Man, Itchy is still a fast mouse.

themetfairy Apr 28 2015 06:23 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Fuck You Ichiro! I never pass up opportunities to say that.

Edgy MD Apr 28 2015 06:24 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Man, walking the eight guy to get to the pitcher. Good thing Ronnie isn't here. I like the move, but I hate to see a number in the walk column. Phelps doesn't look helpless up there.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2015 06:26 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Sits down another threat in the fifth. Hunter's hurling con brio tonight.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2015 06:30 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Johnny Lags almost fisted a short-left-field XBH there, on that just-foul flare. Instead, it ends up a Hechevarrian groundout. Ah, those inches we don't get.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2015 06:35 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Phelps is starting to hang a few offspeed pitches middle-in, to the tune of Soup and Murph singles and a two-out rally. Wait for your pitch, Rubes.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2015 06:37 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Aaaaaand he swung through it.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2015 06:41 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Criminy, we seem determined to hand them these leadoff men at second, don't we?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2015 06:48 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

ALMOST got out of it with Stanton, there. And then the dribbler from Ozuna. Bear down, kiddo.

Edgy MD Apr 28 2015 06:51 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Not a great Tejaday.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 28 2015 06:52 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Yeah, he's not winning any hearts and minds. Pulling Montero out here? BS. Save the one pitch to Stanton, none of this has been his fault, really. He's given up one liner and a series of unfielded 18-hoppers.

Centerfield Apr 28 2015 06:58 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Why do you pitch to Stanton there? Idiotic. Mets need to stop making errors. Wins or not, has been some bad baseball these Mets have been playing.

Centerfield Apr 28 2015 07:04 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

By the way, three subs and a spot starter? Give us a chance Terry.

themetfairy Apr 28 2015 07:07 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Obi. Juan. LAGARES!!!!

Edgy MD Apr 28 2015 07:08 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Wow! I'll say right now, I didn't think that one was going out.

Fman99 Apr 28 2015 07:08 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

BIG HIT there by Laggy!

Nymr83 Apr 28 2015 07:08 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

YEAH!!!!!

d'Kong76 Apr 28 2015 07:08 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

I was kinda drifting off there... way to wake my ass up Laggy!

Benjamin Grimm Apr 28 2015 07:09 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

I loved the expression on Granderson's face as he was coming home.

Edgy MD Apr 28 2015 07:10 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

[fimg=250]http://www.milb.com/images/2011/01/24/FV5ljMVh.jpg[/fimg] Thanks, Juan! [fimg=250]http://the305.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/mike-redmond-marlins-manager.jpg[/fimg] Bite me, Wally!

d'Kong76 Apr 28 2015 07:26 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

bifl revisited

Centerfield Apr 28 2015 07:28 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Tejada sucks at bunting. I don't know how many years it will take for Terry to learn this. BIFL. I don't know how many years it will take for Terry to learn this. Tejada should be out of this game and Flores should have stayed in.

Mets Guy in Michigan Apr 28 2015 07:30 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Kirk, rather than embracing that den Dekker has been banished and making the most of his opportunity, has kinda sucked. And freaking Tejada.

Fman99 Apr 28 2015 07:31 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Tejada is bad at sports.

Mets Guy in Michigan Apr 28 2015 07:35 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

That was a great opportunity, pissed away.

Ashie62 Apr 28 2015 07:36 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Kirk, rather than embracing that den Dekker has been banished and making the most of his opportunity, has kinda sucked. And freaking Tejada. Waiting for Michael Conforto. Cuddyer hasn't done crap either.

Mets Guy in Michigan Apr 28 2015 07:38 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Walking the leadoff man///

Mets Guy in Michigan Apr 28 2015 07:45 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Booo Carlos! That was a gift run.

Centerfield Apr 28 2015 07:48 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Torres not fooling anyone tonight.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 28 2015 07:54 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Another huge Grandyman base on ballz.

Mets Guy in Michigan Apr 28 2015 07:58 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

We are without books tonight.

themetfairy Apr 28 2015 08:01 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

We are illiterate.

Centerfield Apr 28 2015 08:04 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

This is the first game I can remember in a while where I feel like the manager gave it away. I understand sitting Cuddyer because he has looked lost. But you cannot play Recker and Tejada in the same night. Especially on a night where we are starting Montero. You don't pitch to Stanton there. Make someone else beat you. Tejada should have sat down after Flores pinch hit. And you absolutely fucking do NOT bunt Tejada there after the Murphy double. Of the Marlins 4 runs, one was driven in by Stanton with 2 bases open. Another came in on a wild pitch. The last one came after Torres walked two hitters. It's enough to make you rip your hair out.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 29 2015 12:50 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Centerfield wrote: You don't pitch to Stanton there. Make someone else beat you. Yabbut, if Montero had that pitch, like, an inch more to the outside, Stanton rolls it to second. The failure there was more execution than plan, methinks. The bigger problems that inning were all the sloppy play, the seemingly iffy positioning, and pulling Montero, who had only given up one hard-hit ball-- and no walks-- in the frame. What does Carlyle give you there that Montero (who nearly tiptoed around 3-0 to Stanton) doesn't? And you absolutely fucking do NOT bunt Tejada there after the Murphy double. Again, the real problem was the execution. I probably don't call for a bunt there myself, but if there's one time you do, it's in a tie game, late, in that situation, right? (And if Tejada isn't giving you an across-the-board 'little things' upgrade when he spot-starts... then why the spot-starts? And why not Tovar?)

Edgy MD Apr 29 2015 05:57 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Centerfield wrote: This is the first game I can remember in a while where I feel like the manager gave it away. I understand sitting Cuddyer because he has looked lost. But you cannot play Recker and Tejada in the same night. Especially on a night where we are starting Montero. You don't pitch to Stanton there. Make someone else beat you. Tejada should have sat down after Flores pinch hit. And you absolutely fucking do NOT bunt Tejada there after the Murphy double. Of the Marlins 4 runs, one was driven in by Stanton with 2 bases open. Another came in on a wild pitch. The last one came after Torres walked two hitters. It's enough to make you rip your hair out. I agree with a lot of this. And you left out batting Tejada sixth. But there are also execution problems to nail them for. Murphy should have scored on the dropped fly, and Terry should have pulled him when he did not. Tejada should have gotten that bunt to the right side.

TransMonk Apr 29 2015 06:39 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Yeah, the Mets didn't deserve to win this one. Too much bad strategy and poor execution. From what I've read this morning, it sounds like Terry gave Tejada the choice of bunting or trying to advance the runner with an opposite-field swing. That seems to me an even worse decision than just telling Rubin to bunt outright. Why would you leave such a big decision in a tight game up to your light-hitting back-up shortstop? FWIW, I would have walked Stanton, but I understand why they chose not to.

Edgy MD Apr 29 2015 07:14 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Complacency is the true arch-rival!

Centerfield Apr 29 2015 07:40 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

The "had he executed" line of reasoning is not a valid defense to a bad decision. I can pinch hit Bartolo Colon in a sacrifice fly situation and justify its failure with "Had he executed like we know he's capable of...". It still does not make it a good decision. A decision is based upon whether or not you maximized your team's chances of success. And for the choices I cited, Terry Collins did not. 1. The Lineup: 6-9 in that lineup are lifeless. Like I said, it is one thing to rest a regular or two. Resting three in one day while starting a spot starter is putting yourself at a big disadvantage before the game even starts. And like Edgy said, batting Tejada 6th? This is a joke. 2. Pitching to Stanton: Yes, had Montero made a better pitch, it is possible that Stanton would have rolled it over. But regardless of whether Montero made a good pitch or bad pitch the guy behind Stanton is far more likely to roll it over than Stanton. And if Ozuna rolls it over with Stanton on it's a double play. The guys in the booth expected the walk. Recker expected the walk. I think everyone in the ballpark was expecting the walk. Everyone except Collins. Keep in mind, we gave an IBB to Adeiny Echevarria in a tie game and a base open, but we pitched to Mike Stanton. 3. Tejada staying in over Flores: When you pinch hit Flores, you now have two shortstops in the game. Which one do you keep and which one do you sit? If you are up you can keep Tejada. If you are tied or if you are behind, you need more runs. You keep Flores in the game. Had he done so, it would have been a pinch hitter batting after the Murphy double and not Tejada. 4. Tejada Bunt: I can understand the temptation to bunt here since Tejada is not a very good hitter. (This is why you take him out of the game earlier). But he is also not a very good bunter. We have seen this over the years. Everyone assumes he can bunt because he is little, and a middle infielder and Latino. But he sucks at bunting. And Murph is not a good baserunner. Even if you think the bunt is the right call here, with the personnel you have up there, the chances of it being successful are small. This was an awful call. Sure, there were tons of execution problems too. Torres looked like crap. Granderson had the error that started it all. And the Carlyle wild pitch. But the mistakes made by the manager are ones that are absolutely avoidable.

Frayed Knot Apr 29 2015 07:42 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Biggest sin of last night was Carlyle giving up halfway to home whilst Recker was hustling his ass off to retrieve Carlyle's WP. If Buddy doesn't practically stop on his way to home only to gear up again too late then he's at the plate waiting for the on time and accurate throw and we probably get the out on Ozuna.

Centerfield Apr 29 2015 07:42 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Edgy MD wrote: Centerfield wrote: This is the first game I can remember in a while where I feel like the manager gave it away. I understand sitting Cuddyer because he has looked lost. But you cannot play Recker and Tejada in the same night. Especially on a night where we are starting Montero. You don't pitch to Stanton there. Make someone else beat you. Tejada should have sat down after Flores pinch hit. And you absolutely fucking do NOT bunt Tejada there after the Murphy double. Of the Marlins 4 runs, one was driven in by Stanton with 2 bases open. Another came in on a wild pitch. The last one came after Torres walked two hitters. It's enough to make you rip your hair out. I agree with a lot of this. And you left out batting Tejada sixth. But there are also execution problems to nail them for. Murphy should have scored on the dropped fly, and Terry should have pulled him when he did not. Tejada should have gotten that bunt to the right side. I forgot about the Murph play. Edgy is right. Terry should not accept that. No one remembers the Castillo drop if the MFY's are not running hard. This was an embarrassing game.

Edgy MD Apr 29 2015 07:43 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Centerfield wrote: The "had he executed" line of reasoning is not a valid defense to a bad decision. Yeah, I bring up execution as an additional sin, not as the real sin or anything. If I'm starting Tejada, I bat him second and Laggy fifth, so at least I can take advantage of his on-base skill. Batting in the middle of the lineup, well, he's the guy you want to face with runners on base.

Centerfield Apr 29 2015 07:45 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Understood. I was addressing LWFS. He is my real enemy in this thread. I hate him.

Edgy MD Apr 29 2015 07:49 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Frayed Knot wrote: Biggest sin of last night was Carlyle giving up halfway to home whilst Recker was hustling his ass off to retrieve Carlyle's WP. If Buddy doesn't practically stop on his way to home only to gear up again too late then he's at the plate waiting for the on time and accurate throw and we probably get the out on Ozuna. This is true. And how surreal was it that the Mets fell behind on a boner in the late innings and Keith just couldn't stop talking about how great Recker looked on that play, even though it ultimately failed? Complacency, complacency, complacency. Marcia, Marcia, Marcia.

Centerfield Apr 29 2015 07:50 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Frayed Knot wrote: Biggest sin of last night was Carlyle giving up halfway to home whilst Recker was hustling his ass off to retrieve Carlyle's WP. If Buddy doesn't practically stop on his way to home only to gear up again too late then he's at the plate waiting for the on time and accurate throw and we probably get the out on Ozuna. Absolutely. The errors, the baserunning mistakes, lack of hustle. Wins and losses aside, this team is doing some dumb shit out there. I know this sounds alarmist for a first place team, but they need to address and get this out of their system. Train wreck!

batmagadanleadoff Apr 29 2015 08:15 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Edgy MD wrote: If I'm starting Tejada, I bat him second.... Tejada's no #2 hitter. Not that there aren't a shitload of former and current managers who reflexively put some crappy light hitting crappy hitter in that slot. I'm looking right at you, Wee Willie SmallBalls. The #2 slot is the most abused and misunderstood slot in a baseball lineup.

Edgy MD Apr 29 2015 08:23 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Well, I don't think he's that crappy. At least with regard to his on-base abilities. He's not my first choice, but considering the spring training array of starters they were going with yesterday, he would have been the one I'd have gone for in that position.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 29 2015 08:33 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Well, I don't think he's that crappy. At least with regard to his on-base abilities. He's not my first choice, but considering the spring training array of starters they were going with yesterday, he would have been the one I'd have gone for in that position. Tejada's lifetime OBP is .327. That's crap in my book, although, yeah, so was yesterday's collection of position starters. Fun fact: William Friedkin preferred Jackie Gleason over Gene Hackman for the role of Popeye Doyle in The French Connection. "Bang! Zoom!"

Frayed Knot Apr 29 2015 10:16 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Tejada's lifetime OBP is .327. That's crap in my book, although, yeah, so was yesterday's collection of position starters. NL league-wide OBP last year was .312 Is .310 so far this season

batmagadanleadoff Apr 29 2015 10:33 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

So do you want your #2 hitter to be just a tick above average in OBP? I don't. Now if your overall offense sucks, that's another thing. Thanks to this terrible lineup construction tradition, fans accept (and I don't necessarily say "youse") a #2 hitter that's average, or even crappy, because, you know, what does his crappiness matter if he can sac bunt the leadoff guy over to the next base? Put a crappy hitter in the #2 hole and compound that dumb move by having him intentionally destroying a chance for a big inning, even in the first inning, right before the most potent hitters are due up.

Edgy MD Apr 29 2015 10:39 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

All that matters to me is his relative on-base-iness to Juan Lagares (.304 obp), and Lagares' relative slugginess to his (.368 to .317). Fooey on the rest of the league.

Chad Ochoseis Apr 29 2015 10:40 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

I'm loving MLB.tv, which I just purchased. I don't have cable, but if I resist the urge to check scores and lurk in the IGT, I can watch night games in the morning when I'm getting ready for work and still be in suspense. I have absolutely no problem with pitching to Stanton in the sixth. Even Stanton makes outs sometimes, and why put runners on in a close game? In any event, Montero pitched carefully and well to him, and he only hit a single. The big Terry problem I had last night was walking the #8 hitter in the 5th with a runner on second to get to the pitcher. Why??? Hecheverria isn't that much of a threat. Get him out and you have Phelps leading off in the sixth rather than Gordon, and maybe the inning plays out differently. For the #6 healthy starting pitcher in the org, Montero is pretty damn good.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 29 2015 10:42 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Edgy MD wrote: All that matters to me is his relative on-base-iness to Juan Lagares (.304 obp), and Lagares' relative slugginess to his. Yeah. I agree with you on that larger point: yesterday's eight position starters, collectively, was the real problem.

Frayed Knot Apr 29 2015 10:50 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

batmagadanleadoff wrote: So do you want your #2 hitter to be just a tick above average in OBP? I don't. Now if your overall offense sucks, that's another thing. Thanks to this terrible lineup construction tradition, fans accept (and I don't necessarily say "youse") a #2 hitter that's average, or even crappy, because, you know, what does his crappiness matter if he can sac bunt the leadoff guy over to the next base? Put a crappy hitter in the #2 hole and compound that dumb move by having him intentionally destroying a chance for a big inning, even in the first inning, right before the most potent hitters are due up. Not sure that 15 to 20 points is a "tick" above average, nor am I trying to make an argument for Tejada batting 2nd I'm clarifying that a .327 lifetime OBA ins't "crap" just because calling it so helps make whatever point you're trying to make.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 29 2015 10:54 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Frayed Knot wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: So do you want your #2 hitter to be just a tick above average in OBP? I don't. Now if your overall offense sucks, that's another thing. Thanks to this terrible lineup construction tradition, fans accept (and I don't necessarily say "youse") a #2 hitter that's average, or even crappy, because, you know, what does his crappiness matter if he can sac bunt the leadoff guy over to the next base? Put a crappy hitter in the #2 hole and compound that dumb move by having him intentionally destroying a chance for a big inning, even in the first inning, right before the most potent hitters are due up. Not sure that 15 to 20 points is a "tick" above average, nor am I trying to make an argument for Tejada batting 2nd I'm clarifying that a .327 lifetime OBA ins't "crap" just because calling it so helps make whatever point you're trying to make. I think you're simplifying things. A .327 OBP might not be "crappy" when compared against everybody else's OBP, including every pitcher, your Rey Ordonez's and the fringe guys that don't stick around long enough to register in most fan's memories two or three years down the line. But it's a crappy OBP for the #2 hitter on the team I'm rotting for.

Edgy MD Apr 29 2015 10:56 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Rotting for the Mets. That's hardcore.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 29 2015 10:57 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Edgy MD wrote: Rotting for the Mets. That's hardcore. I caught that typo before I submitted my post. Analyze away.

Frayed Knot Apr 29 2015 11:54 AM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Even #2 hitters aren't OBA-ing .327 these days (.322 this year to date). You have to remember that we're not in 1999 anymore Toto when entire leagues were north of .330 As for the larger point, bunting Tejada was being discussed as to the specific case of him attempting to SacB Muffy to 3rd in the 8th inning of a tie game. Argue for or against that if you care to, but no one here is advocating adopting the lineup construction and/or offensive strategy of the 1965 Dodgers.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 29 2015 12:10 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Great. You're disagreeing with me on this and it's all resting on that Tejada is OBP'ing five one-thousandths of a point higher than league average for a #2 hitter. This disagreement has been going on for two hours and you probably didn't even know that number until 45 seconds before your last post. This isn't as big a deal as either of us are making it out to be because Wright's out, Wright should be back soon, and yesterday's was a C lineup, even accounting for the drop off in quality from all of the current injuries. But if Tejada truly belongs in the #2 slot, then this team has another problem. Being average does not get you into the post-season. And if forced to carry some average hitters, I'd prefer that they be bottom of the order hitters.

Zvon Apr 29 2015 04:24 PM Re: IGT 4/28 NYM@MIA Montero Tree Service Trimdown

Skimming through this game. That was not a bad pitch to Stanton. I keep on hearing that the pitch drifted over the plate. Drifted back in off the corner but was still not a phat pitch to do anything decent with, especially if you try and pull it. He pulled that thru the hole at short, which is just some nice hitting. Just saw Lags base clearing triBOOM. Niiice. I'm interested in seeing that bunt play. The earlier comment here about Carlyle being late to cover...Gary picked up on it. Yes, they could have had him if Carlyle busted it like Reck did. Keith didn't fault Murphy for only jogging around the bases on the dropped fly. I kinda do. Just one gear higher & he is rounding third when it's dropped. So I say shame on you, Muffy.