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Historical Redemption, 2015

Edgy MD
Apr 23 2015 08:18 AM

Being an .800 team on a 10-game winning streak has it's historical advantages. One of them is that, with every win, the Mets erase some of the red on their historical ledger, pushing back the date further to which they can claim being historically a .500 team.

Right now, as you might guess, the claim of decency takes the team back to the Joe Torre era, as true consistency did not arrive until his reign fell. Last night's win, specifically advances Mets decency backwards all the way to game 27 of the 1979 season, on May the 10th. That game, the last of a four-game losing streak, saw staff ace Craig Swan hammered for eight runs in 2 1/3 innings on the way to a 14-1 loss to Los Angeles at Dodger Stadium. Ugly things happened on West Coast trips back then. A sixth-inning homer by Lee Mazzilli accounted for all the Mets scoring that night. That was far more than offset by the homers the Mets yielded to Ron Cey, Bill Russell, and Steve Yeager.

Congratulations, Wilmer and Lucas. You not only redeemed Dillon Gee last night, but you redeemed Craig Swan. With the right amount of pluck and luck, the Mets have a good chance to wipe 1979 clean off the ledger this season.

[fimg=750:2lu4rvbv]http://www.ultimatemets.com/scorecard_graph.php?game=2796&font=1[/fimg:2lu4rvbv]

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 23 2015 08:26 AM
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Is that our Teddy Martinez who pinch-ran for Ron Cey?

Ceetar
Apr 23 2015 08:41 AM
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I just did the Math for this recently.

they're currently 361 games i believe under .500.

They were 343 games under from '62-'68. I think there's something to be celebrated about getting to .500 since the first winning season. the Mets would need to finish +27. so 95-67.

They're 15 games under .500 in Citi Field.

batmagadanleadoff
Apr 23 2015 10:00 AM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

Edgy MD wrote:
Being an .800 team on a 10-game winning streak has it's historical advantages. One of them is that, with every win, the Mets erase some of the red on their historical ledger, pushing back the date further to which they can claim being historically a .500 team.

This might be a positive development for the Mets franchise, which, as noted, is some 300+ games under .500 all-time. But for a team whose overall record is above .500, I would think that it'd be preferable if that ".500 date" were closer, rather than farther away.

Just win, baby.

Ceetar
Apr 23 2015 10:13 AM
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Mets were 17-26 on May 21st 2013. Since then they've played .500 baseball.

Edgy MD
Apr 23 2015 10:29 AM
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I'm not sure why we'd want that date closer, but looking more recently, they've played 1.000 baseball over the last eleven days, the greatest show on earth over that period.

batmagadanleadoff
Apr 23 2015 10:32 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
I'm not sure why we'd want that date closer....

I bet the Yankees would want a closer date. They're 2,000+ games over .500 all-time.

Edgy MD
Apr 23 2015 10:46 AM
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And that's what the idea is. To push the date from which you can measure yourself as a winning team (or at least, a break-even one) back to the beginning of the franchise — something the Yankees likely did in their first few years of existence and haven't had cause to look back.

batmagadanleadoff
Apr 23 2015 11:00 AM
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This is making my head spin for no good reason. The Mets are more than 300 games under .500 all-time. But if you conveniently don't count a lot of the eaarly bad losing years, I guess you could say that the Mets are a .500 team all-time. I'm struggling with the point of this, really.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 23 2015 11:06 AM
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It doesn't seem that complicated. The ultimate goal is to push the all-time .500 point to April 1962. The further back the Mets push the date, the closer to the goal.

Edgy MD
Apr 23 2015 11:10 AM
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The point is to note the progress in the effort to win 300 more games (indeed 361) and get even.

I found it interesting and encouraging that — as historically slow a slog as that is, even when the team is playing well — they've knocked 2.7% off that deficit in the last 10 games.

Ceetar
Apr 23 2015 11:18 AM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

Edgy MD wrote:
The point is to note the progress in the effort to win 300 more games (indeed 361) and get even.

I found it interesting and encouraging that — as historically slow a slog as that is, even when the team is playing well — they've knocked 2.7% off that deficit in the last 10 games.

Right, 361 ain't that bad. I'm sure the Math has changed since I last calculated it but the Phillies would have to go 97-65 for like..35 years.

batmagadanleadoff
Apr 23 2015 11:18 AM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
It doesn't seem that complicated. The ultimate goal is to push the all-time .500 point to April 1962. The further back the Mets push the date, the closer to the goal.

Yeah, that part I get. The Mets are 300+ games under .500 and so to reach .500 all-time, they'd have to do a lot of winning. And if they ever reach .500 all-time in our lifetimes, a heckuva lot of unconscionalbe out of their minds winning. I get all that.

Where I'm mixed up is in response to my Yankee posts. I don't get why that's supposed to be a desirable goal for the Yankees, what with them already 2,000 or 2,500 games over.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 23 2015 11:28 AM
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The Yankees have reached this particular goal. Maybe they can push to .525, or .550, or whatever. The goals of the Yankees are, of course, of no interest at all to me.

batmagadanleadoff
Apr 23 2015 01:05 PM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
The Yankees have reached this particular goal. Maybe they can push to .525, or .550, or whatever. The goals of the Yankees are, of course, of no interest at all to me.

See, this post I get, and agree with.

Edgy MD
Apr 23 2015 05:51 PM
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Congratulations to the Mets. Their win today not only ran their winning streak to 11, but it evened the team's record going back to Game 26 of the 1979 season. Why, that, you say, was just the day before! Well, right you are. Little do I have to tell you, but here I am doing it anyway, that the 1979 Mets did a lot of losing, and tended to get clobbered on West Coast trips.

This particular clobberin' was of the 7-2 variety. Rookie Neil Allen started and exited after only two outs, with three Dodger runs already home, courtesy of solo homers from Davey Lopes, Reggie Smith, and Steve Garvey. He got relieved by fellow rookie and fellow future closer Jesse Orosco, who fared a little better but not a lot. It would be the last start of the season for the shell-shocked Allen.

But Neil and Jess ought to be on the phone to Bartolo Colon thanking him for his work this afternoon, because despite their debacle, the Mets are even going back to that day.

OE: Looking at the box score now, I want to go back in time and fire Torre. Or at least batting coach Dick Sisler. The last 20 Mets batters went down in order.

[fimg=800:1p4zmaqs]http://www.ultimatemets.com/scorecard_graph.php?game=2795&font=1[/fimg:1p4zmaqs]

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 23 2015 06:18 PM
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Allen only allowed one homer, a three-run shot from Garvey. Lopes and Smith walked and scored on Garvey's homer.

The Dodgers were a pretty good team back then, but... were they revered?

Edgy MD
Apr 23 2015 06:36 PM
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Dumb misreading by me.

Edgy MD
Apr 27 2015 09:39 PM
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Did some cross-checking, and it turns out that I had three w's from 1979 entered as q's. That didn't count on their record, so now that those wins are restored, adding in tonight's win, we're almost done with that season and that season's woe.

Dillon Gee's and Daniel Murphy's effort this evening made the Mets a .500 team all the way back to Game 11 of the '79 season. In that game, ex-Mets Nino Espinosa and Tug McGraw combined for a five-hit, 3-0 shutout of their former teammates. The Espinosa trade bounty, Richie Hebner, went 0-3 in that game, with a walk, as Neil Allen went only four innings, allowing three runs.

But now Neil and Richie, you're off the hook. The Mets are a .500 team, even counting your game! (But discounting all that came before your game.

[fimg=750:2pidtc85]http://www.ultimatemets.com/scorecard_graph.php?game=2780&font=1[/fimg:2pidtc85]

Centerfield
Apr 28 2015 08:25 AM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

Edgy MD wrote:
Being an .800 team on a 10-game winning streak has it's historical advantages. One of them is that, with every win, the Mets erase some of the red on their historical ledger, pushing back the date further to which they can claim being historically a .500 team.

Right now, as you might guess, the claim of decency takes the team back to the Joe Torre era, as true consistency did not arrive until his reign fell. Last night's win, specifically advances Mets decency backwards all the way to game 27 of the 1979 season, on May the 10th. That game, the last of a four-game losing streak, saw staff ace Craig Swan hammered for eight runs in 2 1/3 innings on the way to a 14-1 loss to Los Angeles at Dodger Stadium. Ugly things happened on West Coast trips back then. A sixth-inning homer by Lee Mazzilli accounted for all the Mets scoring that night. That was far more than offset by the homers the Mets yielded to Ron Cey, Bill Russell, and Steve Yeager.

Congratulations, Wilmer and Lucas. You not only redeemed Dillon Gee last night, but you redeemed Craig Swan. With the right amount of pluck and luck, the Mets have a good chance to wipe 1979 clean off the ledger this season.

[fimg=750]http://www.ultimatemets.com/scorecard_graph.php?game=2796&font=1[/fimg]

There is a mistake in the first inning of that scorecard right? Lopes scored on the Cey HR and not a single right?

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 28 2015 09:15 AM
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Yes, you're probably right. It's possible that the mistake is mine, or it could be Retrosheet's, which is the source of the data. Although... Cey only has two runs batted in, which could mean himself and Russell. I'll have to look (when I get a chance) to see exactly how Lopes scored. Maybe some nutty mishap that occurred as a result of Russell's single?

I was thinking, if we (or more accurately, the Mets) can push the .500 date back two more years, to the beginning of the 1977 season, then we should instantly jump back another two-plus years, to late 1974, because the Mets had winning records in 1975 and 1976. To do that this year, of course, will require the Mets to win around 130 games (seat of the pants calculation) but with luck, maybe by late next year we'll see scorecards from 1974 in this thread.

Frayed Knot
Apr 28 2015 09:21 AM
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According to the descriptions and accounts (but not the pictures) of that game at BB-Ref, Lopes stole 2nd before scoring on Russell's single, so it's the notation between 1st & 2nd that's wrong (or at least unclear) rather than the one between 3rd and home.

Edgy MD
May 29 2015 07:25 PM
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This is taking longer than I thought.

I figured they'd be at .500 by now.

Edgy MD
Jun 01 2015 11:33 PM
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Tonight's win pushes back their .550 marker a full 42 games, having now achieved that degree of success over their last 129 games, dating to July 4 of last year. This can more or less be framed as The deGrom Era, as he scuffled before that date, but only had one bad start after.

Edgy MD
Jul 05 2015 05:14 PM
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Pushing the .500 mark back is hard going these last two months, but the Mets hit a milquetoast milepost recognized by only the few, having now become a .490 team over their last 8,000 games, going back to Monday, May 31 (game one), 1965.

3920-4080 over that period.

[fimg=500:1fdhpc1y]http://usarmy.vo.llnwd.net/e2/c/images/2012/06/27/253709/original.jpg[/fimg:1fdhpc1y]

Edgy MD
Jul 12 2015 06:58 PM
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Today's win ups the Mets' all-time winning percentage to .478617, which rounds up nicely to .479.

Having lost their first boatload of games back in 1962, the Mets have been fighting uphill for the life of their existence. This fight peaked on May 31, 2009, when John Maine went six shutout innings against Philadelphia and Chris Vodstadt. After Pedro Feliciano added a seventh, J.J. Putz, handed a 3-0 lead in the eighth, immediately started giving it back before the unlikely hero in the guise of Bobby Parnell bailed the Mets out before turning the game over to Francisco Rodriguez in the ninth, thus achieving the Mets highest all-time winning percentage of .480261. They'll hopefully be back above .480 rather soon.

They certainly will if Philadelphia keeps sending the likes of Chris Voldstadt out after us.

Go Mets!

Edgy MD
Aug 03 2015 08:21 PM
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Within four games of a .500 record since the end of the winning streak.

Edgy MD
Aug 13 2015 07:14 PM
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For the first time since April 27, the Mets have advanced the cause of their historical redemption. At least, restored it past the high point of this season.

On April 20, 1979, in an incident that provided setlist fodder for countless comics, President Jimmy Carter was attacked by a swamp rabbit while fishing in his hometown of Plains, Georgia, USA. While a US president being attacked by a small cuddly vegetarian mammal might seem to auger bad things for a nation, the occurrence prefaced good — or at least, not bad — fortuned for the Mets. With their win today, the Mets are now a .500 team dating back to that date. If you are former Mets reliever Sean Green, the Mets have been a .500 team your entire life.

Moreover, the Mets advanced their .560 line back over half a season today, pushing the duration of period in which they can claim to be a .560 (playoff?) team back 84 games to August 31, 2014 — nearly a full season.

[list]The Mets are at least a 1.000 team over their last 4 games, going back to Monday, August 20, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.
The Mets are at least a .990 team over their last 4 games, going back to Monday, August 20, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.
The Mets are at least a .980 team over their last 4 games, going back to Monday, August 20, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.
The Mets are at least a .970 team over their last 4 games, going back to Monday, August 20, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.
The Mets are at least a .960 team over their last 4 games, going back to Monday, August 20, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.
The Mets are at least a .950 team over their last 4 games, going back to Monday, August 20, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.
The Mets are at least a .940 team over their last 4 games, going back to Monday, August 20, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.
The Mets are at least a .930 team over their last 4 games, going back to Monday, August 20, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.
The Mets are at least a .920 team over their last 4 games, going back to Monday, August 20, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.
The Mets are at least a .910 team over their last 4 games, going back to Monday, August 20, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.

The Mets are at least a .900 team over their last 4 games, going back to Monday, August 20, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.
The Mets are at least a .890 team over their last 4 games, going back to Monday, August 20, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.
The Mets are at least a .880 team over their last 4 games, going back to Monday, August 20, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.
The Mets are at least a .870 team over their last 4 games, going back to Monday, August 20, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.
The Mets are at least a .860 team over their last 4 games, going back to Monday, August 20, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.
The Mets are at least a .850 team over their last 4 games, going back to Monday, August 20, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.
The Mets are at least a .840 team over their last 13 games, going back to Friday, July 31, 2015, an improvement of 10 games.
The Mets are at least a .830 team over their last 13 games, going back to Friday, July 31, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.
The Mets are at least a .820 team over their last 13 games, going back to Friday, July 31, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.
The Mets are at least a .810 team over their last 13 games, going back to Friday, July 31, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.

The Mets are at least a .800 team over their last 13 games, going back to Friday, July 31, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.
The Mets are at least a .790 team over their last 13 games, going back to Friday, July 31, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.
The Mets are at least a .780 team over their last 14 games, going back to Thursday, July 30, 2015, an improvement of 2 games.
The Mets are at least a .770 team over their last 18 games, going back to Saturday, July 25, 2015, an improvement of 6 games.
The Mets are at least a .760 team over their last 18 games, going back to Saturday, July 25, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.
The Mets are at least a .750 team over their last 18 games, going back to Saturday, July 25, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.
The Mets are at least a .740 team over their last 18 games, going back to Saturday, July 25, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.
The Mets are at least a .730 team over their last 19 games, going back to Friday, July 24, 2015, an improvement of 2 games.
The Mets are at least a .720 team over their last 19 games, going back to Friday, July 24, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.
The Mets are at least a .710 team over their last 19 games, going back to Friday, July 24, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.

The Mets are at least a .700 team over their last 20 games, going back to Thursday, July 23, 2015, an improvement of 2 games.
The Mets are at least a .690 team over their last 20 games, going back to Thursday, July 23, 2015, an improvement of 2 games.
The Mets are at least a .680 team over their last 22 games, going back to Thursday, July 23, 2015, an improvement of 3 games.
The Mets are at least a .670 team over their last 22 games, going back to Tuesday, July 21, 2015, an improvement of 3 games.
The Mets are at least a .660 team over their last 33 games, going back to Sunday, July 5, 2015, an improvement of 12 games.
The Mets are at least a .650 team over their last 35 games, going back to Friday, July 3, 2015, an improvement of 3 games.
The Mets are at least a .640 team over their last 42 games, going back to Thursday, June 25, 2015, an improvement of 8 games.
The Mets are at least a .630 team over their last 42 games, going back to Wednesday, June 24, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.
The Mets are at least a .620 team over their last 42 games, going back to Wednesday, June 24, 2015, an improvement of 8 games.
The Mets are at least a .610 team over their last 44 games, going back to Tuesday, June 23, 2015, an improvement of 2 games.

The Mets are at least a .600 team over their last 45 games, going back to Sunday, June 21, 2015, an improvement of 2 games.
The Mets are at least a .590 team over their last 45 games, going back to Sunday, June 21, 2015, an improvement of 1 game.
The Mets are at least a .580 team over their last 55 games, going back to Thursday, June 11, 2015, an improvement of 11 games.
The Mets are at least a .570 team over their last 56 games, going back to Wednesday, June 10, 2015, an improvement of 2 games.
The Mets are at least a .560 team over their last 141 games, going back to Sunday, August 31, 2014, an improvement of 84 games.
The Mets are at least a .550 team over their last 150 games, going back to Wednesday, August 20, 2014, an improvement of 1 game.
The Mets are at least a .540 team over their last 194 games, going back to Tuesday, July 1, 2014, an improvement of 2 games.
The Mets are at least a .530 team over their last 215 games, going back to Sunday, June 8, 2014, an improvement of 2 games.
The Mets are at least a .520 team over their last 242 games, going back to Sunday, May 11, 2014, an improvement of 10 games.
The Mets are at least a .510 team over their last 5,266 games, going back to Wednesday, August 25, 1982, an improvement of 2 games.

The Mets are at least a .500 team over their last 5,808 games, going back to Friday, April 20, 1979, an improvement of 2 games.
The Mets are at least a .490 team over their last 8,075 games, going back to Thursday, April 15, 1965, an improvement of 4 games.
The Mets are at least a .480 team over their last 8,518 games, going back to Saturday, June 2 (1), 1962, an improvement of 2 games.

The Mets are .4790328 team over their history of 8,561 games, going back to Wednesday, April 11, 1962, an improvement of .000061.[/list:u]

If the Mets go three games over .500 the rest of the season. They will have pushed the Median of Mediocrity back past the dawn of 1979.

Edgy MD
Aug 22 2015 06:35 AM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

If my calculations are correct, the current Mets all-time winning percentage is .4789308. They haven't advanced their all-time winning percentage since 2009, which makes sense if you think about it. While they are trending in the right direction from their inauspicious .000 beginning, they are unlikely to advance their all-time winning percentage this season. Milestone advancements (if you consider turning over the hundredths digit in your winning percentage a milestone advancement) are below.

Unsurprisingly, a good chunk of those advancements came in 1962.

[list:3nthf2gp][*:3nthf2gp]On Monday, April 23, 1962, the Mets beat the Pirates, 9–1, and achieved a winning percentage of .100 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Saturday, April 28, 1962, the Mets beat the Phillies, 8–6, and achieved a winning percentage of .110 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Saturday, April 28, 1962, the Mets beat the Phillies, 8–6, and achieved a winning percentage of .120 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Saturday, April 28, 1962, the Mets beat the Phillies, 8–6, and achieved a winning percentage of .130 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Saturday, April 28, 1962, the Mets beat the Phillies, 8–6, and achieved a winning percentage of .140 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp][/list:u:3nthf2gp]

[list:3nthf2gp][list:3nthf2gp][*:3nthf2gp]On Sunday, April 29 (Game One), 1962, the Mets beat the Phillies, 8–0, and achieved a winning percentage of .150 or more for the first time in their history.
[*:3nthf2gp]On Sunday, April 29 (Game One), 1962, the Mets beat the Phillies, 8–0, and achieved a winning percentage of .160 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Sunday, April 29 (Game One), 1962, the Mets beat the Phillies, 8–0, and achieved a winning percentage of .170 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Sunday, April 29 (Game One), 1962, the Mets beat the Phillies, 8–0, and achieved a winning percentage of .180 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Sunday, April 29 (Game One), 1962, the Mets beat the Phillies, 8–0, and achieved a winning percentage of .190 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp][/list:u:3nthf2gp][/*:m:3nthf2gp][/list:u:3nthf2gp]

[fimg=500:3nthf2gp]http://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/05/31/sports/DOG-31wright1/DOG-31wright1-master675.jpg[/fimg:3nthf2gp]

[list:3nthf2gp][*:3nthf2gp]On Sunday, April 29 (Game One), 1962, the Mets beat the Phillies, 8–0, and achieved a winning percentage of .200 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Tuesday, May 8, 1962, the Mets beat the Cubs, 3–1, and achieved a winning percentage of .210 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Tuesday, May 8, 1962, the Mets beat the Cubs, 3–1, and achieved a winning percentage of .220 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Tuesday, May 8, 1962, the Mets beat the Cubs, 3–1, and achieved a winning percentage of .230 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Saturday, May 12 (Game One), 1962, the Mets beat the Braves, 3–2, and achieved a winning percentage of .240 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp][/list:u:3nthf2gp]

[list:3nthf2gp][list:3nthf2gp][*:3nthf2gp]On Saturday, May 12 (Game One), 1962, the Mets beat the Braves, 3–2, and achieved a winning percentage of .250 or more for the first time in their history.
[*:3nthf2gp]On Saturday, May 12 (Game One), 1962, the Mets beat the Braves, 3–2, and achieved a winning percentage of .260 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Saturday, May 12 (Game Two), 1962, the Mets beat the Braves, 8–7, and achieved a winning percentage of .270 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Saturday, May 12 (Game Two), 1962, the Mets beat the Braves, 8–7, and achieved a winning percentage of .280 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Saturday, May 12 (Game Two), 1962, the Mets beat the Braves, 8–7, and achieved a winning percentage of .290 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp][/list:u:3nthf2gp][/*:m:3nthf2gp][/list:u:3nthf2gp]

[fimg=500:3nthf2gp]http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1056074!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_1200/opening-day-mets-1962-polo-grounds.jpg[/fimg:3nthf2gp]

[list:3nthf2gp][*:3nthf2gp]On Tuesday, May 15, 1962, the Mets beat the Cubs, 6–5 in 13 innings, and achieved a winning percentage of .300 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Wednesday, May 16, 1962, the Mets beat the Cubs, 6–5 in 11 innings, and achieved a winning percentage of .310 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Wednesday, May 16, 1962, the Mets beat the Cubs, 6–5 in 11 innings, and achieved a winning percentage of .320 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Wednesday, May 16, 1962, the Mets beat the Cubs, 6–5 in 11 innings, and achieved a winning percentage of .330 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Saturday, May 19, 1962, the Mets beat the Braves, 6–5, and achieved a winning percentage of .340 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp][/list:u:3nthf2gp]

[list:3nthf2gp][list:3nthf2gp][*:3nthf2gp]On Sunday, May 20 (Game One), 1962, the Mets beat the Braves, 7–6, and achieved a winning percentage of .350 or more for the first time in their history.
[*:3nthf2gp]On Sunday, May 20 (Game One), 1962, the Mets beat the Braves, 7–6, and achieved a winning percentage of .360 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Sunday, May 20 (Game Two), 1962, the Mets beat the Braves, 9–6, and achieved a winning percentage of .370 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Sunday, May 20 (Game Two), 1962, the Mets beat the Braves, 9–6, and achieved a winning percentage of .380 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Thursday, June 25, 1970, the Mets beat the Cubs, 8–3, and achieved a winning percentage of .390 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp][/list:u:3nthf2gp][/*:m:3nthf2gp][/list:u:3nthf2gp]

[fimg=500:3nthf2gp]http://stuffnobodycaresabout.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Dyer-Boswell-Seaver-Jones-March-1970.jpg[/fimg:3nthf2gp]

[list:3nthf2gp][*:3nthf2gp]On Monday, May 3, 1971, the Mets beat the Cubs, 3–2, and achieved a winning percentage of .400 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Thursday, April 27, 1972, the Mets beat the Padres, 4–3, and achieved a winning percentage of .410 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Wednesday, April 11, 1973, the Mets beat the Cardinals, 5–4, and achieved a winning percentage of .420 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Thursday, June 5, 1975, the Mets beat the Astros, 2–1, and achieved a winning percentage of .430 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Sunday, September 26, 1976, the Mets beat the Cubs, 2–1, and achieved a winning percentage of .440 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp][/list:u:3nthf2gp]

[list:3nthf2gp][list:3nthf2gp][*:3nthf2gp]On Wednesday, October 1, 1986, the Mets beat the Expos, 6–4, and achieved a winning percentage of .450 or more for the first time in their history.
[*:3nthf2gp]On Sunday, September 11, 1988, the Mets beat the Expos, 3–0, and achieved a winning percentage of .460 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Friday, July 16, 1999, the Mets beat the Reds, 5–2, and achieved a winning percentage of .470 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Sunday, May 10, 2009, the Mets beat the Pirates, 8–4, and achieved a winning percentage of .480 or more for the first time in their history.[/*:m:3nthf2gp]
[*:3nthf2gp]On Sunday, May 31, 2009, the Mets beat the Marlins, 3–2, and achieved a winning percentage of .480261, their highest ever to date.[/*:m:3nthf2gp][/list:u:3nthf2gp][/*:m:3nthf2gp][/list:u:3nthf2gp]

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The Mets current winning percentage is .478931, needing 18 straight wins to get back to .480, and 22 straight to again achieve (and advance) their highest-ever winning percentage.

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 22 2015 08:42 AM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

Edgy MD wrote:
On Sunday, May 10, 2009, the Mets beat the Pirates, 8–4, and achieved a winning percentage of .480 or more for the first time in their history.

I don't recall that we were aware of this at the time. Were we? We should've been!

Edgy MD
Aug 24 2015 09:02 PM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

With tonight's win — with tonight's RESOUNDING win — Mets are at least a .500 team over their last 5,818 games, going back to Wednesday, April 18, 1979, an improvement of 2 games.

Like Frank Taveras? Hate him? Never heard of him? Well, tonight's win makes the Mets a .500 team back to the day before the challenge trade that brought Taveras here for Tim Foli. Frank Taveras is now entirely part of an historically redeemed team! That's something. It's something wonderful, I think. We are also taken back to the debut of Mike Scott. Welcome to redemption, Mike Scott. Sorta, you big fat cheater.

Edgy MD
Aug 25 2015 09:06 PM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

Did you like 1979? John Paul II returns to Poland. The Happy Meal is born. The death of Sid Vicious, the breakup of ELP, and the conversion of Donna Summer leads to a simultaneous cultural abdication by punk, prog, and disco, leading to the ascendency of... I dunno... Eddie Rabbit or somebody.

Did you like it? Because it's over. The Mets are now at least a .500 team over their last 5,832 games, going back to Tuesday, September 26, 1978, an improvement of 14 games, and several months. Yessiree, we're a .500 team back to 1978 and that's a key goal of mine for the season scratched off.

The Mets are now an honorably mediocre team stretching across the lifetime of current Mets Juan Uribe and Michael Cuddyer, as well as former Mets Johan Santana, Chris Aguila, Jorge Julio, Dave Williams, Jon Rauch, Ryan Church, Dicky Gonzalez, Jaime Cerda, Aaron Heilman, Xavier Nady, Val Pascucci, and Jeff Duncan, still off somewhere thanking God for his fingers. All have lived their entire lifetimes in a world where the Mets are defensibly decent.

Even more tellingly, this takes us past the trade of Jerry Koosman for Jesse Orosco, a meridian of a sorts itself in Mets history, trading a left-hander with a world of history behind him for a left-hander with a world of history in front of him.

The Mets are a .500 team back into Jerry Koosman's tenure. And that's pretty cool. Historical redemption.

That September day featured a Mets win, behind the arm of Craig Swan and the surprising bat of Tim Foli (3-3 with an HbP). Check it out, Keith! Dale Murray whiffed you in the ninth!

[fimg=800]http://www.ultimatemets.com/scorecard_graph.php?game=2765&font=1[/fimg]

That's a very Metly infield for St. Louis.

The team's all-time winning percentage — .4791740 — is the highest it has been since Friday, July 12, 2012, when it sat at a slightly more lofty .479190.

Edgy MD
Aug 26 2015 08:52 PM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

The Mets are now at least a .500 team over their last 5,850 games, going back to Thursday, September 7, 1978, an improvement of 18 freaking games.

The team is fast approaching 37 full years of healthy mediocrity. This takes us back past the birthdate of Jason Bay, which is no small thing. We're also past the signing of the Camp David Accord. Did you know my Dad was given a painting commemorating the signing by Menachem Begin himself, signed by the three principles? Well he was! Little did we know at the time, that the Mets had a future with as much good as bad.

The Mets all-time winning percentage is now .4792347, the highest it has been since July 18, 2010. They are a 14-game winning streak short of an all-time .480 record, a 181-game streak short of a .490 record, and a 356-game winning streak short of a .500 record.

Man, it's not as pleasant looking at that way.

Edgy MD
Sep 02 2015 09:27 PM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

Your New York Mets are now a .500 team back to Wednesday, September 6, 1978. This takes us back to a feckless 8-2 loss to Montreal, the only highlight of which was Dan Norman hitting his first career homer in only his second big-league game. I really think he's going to be something.

[fimg=800]http://www.ultimatemets.com/scorecard_graph.php?game=2747&font=1[/fimg]

The .500 record now goes back 5,858 games. The all-time Mets also now sport a .4793099 winning percentage, the team's highest since .4793686 on Monday, July 8, 2012.

Edgy MD
Sep 04 2015 02:30 PM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

If the Mets go 23-6 (or better!) the rest of the way, they will have bested their highest-ever all-time winning percentage, which currently residing at .480261 (Sunday, May 31, 2009).

What a day. The next day you lose, but... just a minor setback, you think, and then that setback goes on for years. Decades, if you're not careful.

Edgy MD
Sep 09 2015 06:39 AM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

Among the things the Mets are taking care of in September 2015 is September 1978. That is, they are dialing back their median of mediocrity all the way back beyond that far-flung month.

The Mets are at least a .500 team over their last 5,868 games, going back to Saturday, September 2 (Game Two), 1978, an improvement of 5 games. This takes us past the debut of Gil Flores and the birth of Alex Escobar. Past the beginning of the Camp David conference and the death of Keith Moon. The Mets have been over .500 since Moon died.

The Mets are also pushing back the lesser mile markers near the point of oblivion.

The Mets are at least a .490 team over their last 8,108 games, going back to Sunday, September 27 (Game One), 1964, an improvement of 1 game.

The Mets are at least a .480 team over their last 8,566 games, going back to Saturday, May 5, 1962 , an improvement of 1 game.

That last one has a good chance of disappearing entirely some time next summer. And shortly after the Mets go back over .480 all-time, they'll be advancing their best-ever all-time winning percentage every time they improve their record.

MFS62
Sep 09 2015 07:02 AM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

Edgy MD wrote:
The Mets have been over .500 since Moon died.

So, he was the jinx.
We've always suspected.

Later

Edgy MD
Sep 09 2015 08:37 PM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

So long, September 1978.

[list]The Mets are at least a .500 team over their last 5,872 games, going back to Wednesday, August 30, 1978, an improvement of 3 games.

The Mets are at least a .490 team over their last 8,110 games, going back to Saturday, September 26, 1964, an improvement of 1 game.

The Mets are at least a .480 team over their last 8,572 games, going back to Saturday, April 28, 1962, an improvement of 5 games.[/list:u]

The team's all-time winning percentage is now .4794409, and I'm starting to think an all-time .480 is reachable this season. They would have to go 16-7 the rest of the way. They win tomorrow and their all-time winning percentage would round up to .480.

Edgy MD
Sep 11 2015 07:46 AM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

The impressive and imperturbable Bartolo Colón has dialed back the Delineation of Decency once again.

The Mets are at least a .500 team over their last 5,878 games, going back to Thursday, August 24, 1978, an improvement of 5 games. The Mets aura of respectability now dates back to just before the election of Pope John Paul I, known to history as "The Smiling Pope," and immortalized in song in the weird title track to Patti Smith's Wave. The Mets were 12-21 during his brief papacy, but clearly he augured good things to come.

The win takes the Mets .500 record back to this 6-3 win over Dave Winfield's Padres, despite the absence of budding star Lee Mazzilli from the lineup. Bob Owchinko (Native American name?) started for the Pads.

[fimg=800]http://www.ultimatemets.com/scorecard_graph.php?game=2734&font=1[/fimg]

I love the Padres!

Edgy MD
Sep 11 2015 09:56 PM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

Tonight in HISTORICAL REDEMPTION, the Mets are now at least a .500 team over their last 5,880 games, going back to Wednesday, August 23, 1978, an improvement of 1 game.

Not much, but it's important to note that Sandy's team isn't just clearing the red from Joe McDonald's ledger, but from his own. The Mets are now 19 games over .500, equaling the total they've been under .500 over the last two seasons, plus one game for good measure. They're not only redeeming 1978, but 2012 also.

Scratched from (or at least equaled on) the historical register is this punchless effort, in which a strong performance by Tom Hausman is undermined by an indifferent offense and late fart by Skip Lockwood.

[fimg=800]http://www.ultimatemets.com/scorecard_graph.php?game=2733&font=1[/fimg]

The Mets are now a .500 team dating back to the birth of Kobe Bryant (who grew up a Mets fan).

Edgy MD
Sep 12 2015 09:22 PM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

The Mets are at least a .500 team over their last 5,882 games, going back to Tuesday, August 22, 1978, an improvement of 1 games.

Yeah, it's a slow slog, plowing backwards through a loss-heavy season like 1978, but check this out.

[list]The Mets are at least a .480 team over their last 8,581 games, going back to Saturday, April 21, 1962, an improvement of 1 games.[/list:u]

Yes, in the quest to return to .480, the Mets have dialed the clock back to a time before wins. With each win going forward, the Mets are now chipping away at the franchise's amazing 0-9 start.

Tonight's win raises the team's all-time winning percentage to .4796227, the highest it's been since August 2, 2009, when it stood at .4797413.

Edgy MD
Sep 13 2015 09:36 PM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

I'm past begging to think tracking wins in the manner of this thread is entertaining anybody. But as the Mets close in 8,600 games (they are currently at 8,589 games... or 8,589 decisions, I forget), they also close in like a thief in the night on a .480 winning percentage, currently sitting at .4796833, their highest all-time win percentage since August 1, 2009, when it sat at a lofty .47974132.

More importantly, further bad history has been eclipsed, particularly on the .490 front.

[list]The Mets are at least a .500 team over their last 5,886 games, going back to Saturday, August 19, 1978, an improvement of 3 games.

The Mets are at least a .490 team over their last 8,151 games, going back to Saturday, August 15, 1964, an improvement of 32 games.

The Mets are at least a .480 team over their last 8,583 games, going back to Thursday, April 19, 1962, an improvement of 1 game.[/list:u]
Is your name, per chance, Chris Capuano? Well, then, the Mets have been an honorably performing .500 team your whole life. The Mets are now doing OK since before the fall of National Palace to the Sandanistas.

Hey, check out how the Dodgers threw 691 wins worth of MLB pitchers at the Mets and still lost.

[fimg=700]http://www.ultimatemets.com/scorecard_graph.php?game=2729&font=1[/fimg]

Edgy MD
Sep 15 2015 05:24 AM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

Um, guys? Last night was the magic night.

I didn't realize this was going to happen, but after last night's win, the Mets are at least a .500 team over their last 7,442 games, going back to Sunday, April 27 (Game Two), 1969, an improvement of 1,=#FF8000]55=#FF8000]5 games.

We've somehow, someway, jumped from the fall of 1978 to the spring of 1969, from the dawn of the space shuttle program, to the time before the moon landing. From the early dark days of the Joe Torre era, to the time before Joe Frazier, before Roy McMillan, before Yogi Berra, to the early Gil Hodges era, when we only had a hint of the miracle to come.

The Sex Pistols and Van Halen are but stinky children and the Beatles still reign supreme, and the Mets have a .500 record dating back to that date. The day before World War II hero Charles deGaulle stepped down as president of France. Yes, the Mets are a break-even team going back to this grainy 8-mm time.

Historical redemption.

Such is representative of the remarkable things this remarkable season is bringing you. That a seemingly passing night in which a late-season Mets team edged a second-division bottom feeder by a single run actually erased eight 1/2 of history, extending the reign of the Respectable Mets back 8 1/2 years back over 1,500 games.

What game are we dialed back to? Well it may or may not surprise you that we've way-backed all the way to a 3-0 shutout of the rival Cubs — capped by a three-homer ninth, started by Jim McAndrew, but won with four innings of six-strikeout shutout relief by none other than Tug McGraw. Because if there's anything 2015 has taught us, it's that you've gotta believe.

[fimg=700]http://www.ultimatemets.com/scorecard_graph.php?game=1154&font=1[/fimg] [fimg=200]http://1969mets.com/files/2011/12/tug-mcgraw-1966-topps-card.jpg[/fimg]

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Gwreck
Sep 15 2015 06:08 AM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

Edgy MD wrote:
Well it may or may not surprise you that we've way-backed all the way to a 3-0 shutout of the rival Cubs — capped by a three-homer ninth, started by Jim McAndrew, but won with four innings of six-strikeout shutout relief by none other than Tug McGraw. Because if there's anything 2015 has taught us, it's that you've gotta believe

I don't think a 3-homer bottom of the ninth was possible there. I think that's a 3-run walk-off homer by Cleon Jones, no? (Still an exciting, fantastic victory)

Edgy MD
Sep 15 2015 06:11 AM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

Of course. Even moreso.

I was posting half-zonked from the bathtub. (Daddy has been sick.) And was still dealing with having my mind blown by the 8 1/2 year explosion.

Lefty Specialist
Sep 15 2015 06:17 AM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

Of course, if they lose tonight, won't it jump forward by a rather depressing 8 1/2 years?

Edgy MD
Sep 15 2015 06:20 AM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

As you might have guessed by the infrequent updates between the early season winning streak and the trade deadline upgrades, I only measure advances in the historical enemy line, not retreats.

Frayed Knot
Sep 15 2015 06:21 AM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

Lefty Specialist wrote:
Of course, if they lose tonight, won't it jump forward by a rather depressing 8 1/2 years?

Sure, but we're facing Tom Koehler tonight for Pete's sake.

Lefty Specialist
Sep 15 2015 06:24 AM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

Frayed Knot wrote:
Lefty Specialist wrote:
Of course, if they lose tonight, won't it jump forward by a rather depressing 8 1/2 years?

Sure, but we're facing Tom Koehler tonight for Pete's sake.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 15 2015 07:14 AM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

Does this mean that the Mets had a roughly .500 record from April 1969 through August 1978? That's a little surprising.

Edgy MD
Sep 15 2015 07:28 AM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

Roughly.

More or less good through the first half of that period. More or less not-so-good through the second half. But the terrible didn't really start until 1978. Or more specifically, June 15, 1977.

Edgy MD
Sep 15 2015 07:35 AM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

By the way, if anyone wants to check my work, please do. That's a lot of games, and a lot of chances for error. Plus there are ties in there.

Ceetar
Sep 15 2015 07:39 AM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

Edgy MD wrote:
By the way, if anyone wants to check my work, please do. That's a lot of games, and a lot of chances for error. Plus there are ties in there.

I know, and I posted earlier in this thread, that 95 wins this season gets them even through '69.

They were 6-11 through game on on 4/27/69 so the Mets would need to make up 5 more games. They have 18. so 12-7, which puts them at 95 wins. (wow, that's not really that unrealistic)

so seems to check out.

edit: except I can't add. 12-6, which would put them one past. I still think your math is right though, I was just rounding up when I did the math. Does that put them even back to 9/7/68?

Edgy MD
Sep 15 2015 08:11 AM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

Also worth noting is that they've passed the Pilots/Brewers this season, moving from 22nd to 21st place among active franchises, having started the season .000247896 behind the Brew Crew, and are now .00225796 ahead and rising. They now sit only .00077632 behind the Twins and the coveted 20th place.

Historical redemption.

Edgy MD
Sep 26 2015 08:26 PM
Re: Historical Redemption, 2015

In a night full of historical redemption, the Mets once again pushed terribleness deeper into the past. The Mets are now at least a .500 team over their last 7,460 games, going back to Saturday, April 19, 1969, an improvement of 7 games.

This takes us back to an old-skool 2-1 pitchers duel in which Holla-Fame right-handers Tom Seaver and Bob Gibson each went the distance. The game probably took about 27 minutes.

[fimg=600]http://www.ultimatemets.com/scorecard_graph.php?game=1147&font=1[/fimg] [fimg=200]http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.1303294.1247835406!/image/4063974275.JPG_gen/derivatives/display_600/4063974275.JPG[/fimg]

This takes us back to the time before British troops in Northern Ireland. Heck we are almost back to a time before the Seattle Pilots. The 2015 Mets have a chance of dialing the decency clock back to before 1969 before the season is through.