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IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

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batmagadanleadoff May 13 2015 12:20 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

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batmagadanleadoff May 13 2015 12:27 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

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batmagadanleadoff May 13 2015 12:41 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

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batmagadanleadoff May 13 2015 12:42 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

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G-Fafif May 13 2015 02:06 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

R.I.P. Cousin Harvey.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 13 2015 05:57 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 13 2015 05:58 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

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John Cougar Lunchbucket May 13 2015 05:59 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

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d'Kong76 May 13 2015 06:15 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

NY Mets at Chi. Cubs When: 8:05 PM ET, Wednesday, May 13, 2015 Where: Wrigley Field, Chicago, Illinois SportsDirect Inc. The New York Mets have found the confines of Wrigley Field rather unfriendly in recent years, and they hope to avoid a sixth consecutive loss there when they continue a four-game series against the Chicago Cubs on Wednesday. The Cubs have won the first two games of the series and are trying to win their seventh series in the Mets' last eight visits to Chicago. The Mets have slumped at the plate of late, scoring three or fewer runs in 11 of their last 14 games including a 6-1 loss on Tuesday. They hope to generate some more run support for star right-hander Matt Harvey, who gets the ball on Wednesday opposite veteran right-hander Jason Hammel. Cubs rookie Kris Bryant has found his power stroke in the series, homering in consecutive games and in three of his last four contests after failing to go deep once in his first 20 big-league games. Fellow rookie Addison Russell has reached base in 15 straight games and 17 of the first 19 contests in his major-league career. TV: 8:05 p.m. ET, ESPN, SNY (New York), WGN (Chicago) PITCHING MATCHUP: Mets RH Matt Harvey (5-1, 2.72 ERA) vs. Cubs RH Jason Hammel (3-1, 3.52) Harvey's return from Tommy John surgery has been wildly successful, as the 26-year-old has recorded quality starts in five of his first six outings this season. He won each of his first five outing before taking a tough-luck loss on Friday, when he gave up three runs over six innings in a 3-1 defeat at Philadelphia. Harvey’s only previous turn against the Cubs came in 2013, when he allowed two runs and five hits over 7 1/3 innings in a win at Wrigley Field. Hammel has recorded three straight quality starts and won his last two decisions. The 32-year-old has faced Milwaukee in his last two turns and picked up the win Friday, holding the Brewers to two runs and five hits over seven innings while racking up a season-high eight strikeouts. Hammel has struggled against the Mets, going 0-3 with a 6.33 ERA in four career meetings. WALK-OFFS: 1. The Cubs are 14-2 when their starting pitchers record a quality start and 3-13 when they fail to do so. 2. Only four active Mets have faced Hammel, but OF Curtis Granderson (6-for-17, two homers) and INF Daniel Murphy (4-for-8) have enjoyed success against him. 3. Cubs LF Chris Coghlan, who hit a two-run homer Tuesday, is 3-for-5 with a double versus Harvey.

Lefty Specialist May 13 2015 07:21 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Ceetar May 13 2015 07:33 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Well Marvel Superheroes didn't work, let's try DC.

batmagadanleadoff May 13 2015 10:13 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

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batmagadanleadoff May 13 2015 10:16 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

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Zvon May 13 2015 11:29 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Lefty Specialist May 13 2015 11:59 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

d'Kong76 May 13 2015 01:18 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Fowler, CF Bryant, 3B Rizzo, 1B Castro, SS Montero, C Soler, RF Coghlan, LF Hammel, P Russell, 2B

Ashie62 May 13 2015 01:35 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

The Cubs are a young decent sound team. Let us be better.

d'Kong76 May 13 2015 04:46 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Granderson, RF Murphy, 3B Cuddyer, LF Duda, 1B Flores, SS Plawecki, C Nieuwenhuis, CF Herrera, 2B Harvey, P

Frayed Knot May 13 2015 04:48 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Grandy Muffy Cuddy Doody Wilma Plawecky Nieuwy Dilsony Harvey No Lagares again. Also no Carlyle. He's headed to the DL with back & hamstring troubles and back comes Rocket Jack Leathersich - although he's he's not going to join the team until Thursday's final game in Chicago.

TransMonk May 13 2015 05:34 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

The Nats came back to win this afternoon thanks to a grand slam by Michael Taylor in the ninth. I hate to say the Mets need this one, but the Mets need this one.

d'Kong76 May 13 2015 05:44 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Yup©, they need this one and it nothing to do with Harvey. Need the offense to show up, or this Harvelous IGT thread is for naught.

d'Kong76 May 13 2015 05:45 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Unless Harvey throws a no-hitter or something. (disclaimer)

d'Kong76 May 13 2015 07:15 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Ok, didn't mean to kill-buzz the IGT.

Frayed Knot May 13 2015 07:21 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

That could be Murph's first assist of this series!

Edgy MD May 13 2015 07:24 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

That Flores pop out in the first is leaving a bad taste in my mouth. Opportunities have been too hard to come by.

Edgy MD May 13 2015 07:28 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Here's another one of those opportunities I've been reading about.

Fman99 May 13 2015 07:29 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Nice work by Muffy to grab 3rd while the Cubs move into the cool Carl Palansky shift!

Edgy MD May 13 2015 07:49 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Fman99 May 13 2015 07:54 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Jesus Christ. Run to first you millionaire assholes.

Edgy MD May 13 2015 07:54 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

That was butt.

Ashie62 May 13 2015 07:55 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Fman99 wrote: Jesus Christ. Run to first you millionaire assholes. That's my basic problem with all professional sports, but alas.

Zvon May 13 2015 07:56 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Can't bunt, can't run, what can you do? Can't bunt, can't run, what can you do?

Nymr83 May 13 2015 07:56 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Wow that was lazy.

d'Kong76 May 13 2015 08:03 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Not getting the Journey thing?

Ashie62 May 13 2015 08:03 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Screw your pitch count Terry.

Ashie62 May 13 2015 08:04 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

WE NEED RUNS!

Frayed Knot May 13 2015 08:04 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

1 K + 2 GiDPs tonight for Soler ... so you might say that Harvey has caused a Soler eclipse.

Edgy MD May 13 2015 08:06 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Let's score about five.

Fman99 May 13 2015 08:09 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Can this bullpen get six outs without allowing a run? I am skeptical.

Edgy MD May 13 2015 08:11 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Oh, they certainly can...

Fman99 May 13 2015 08:17 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Ugh. Passed ball. Runner in scoring position now. Hold me.

Fman99 May 13 2015 08:18 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

GOD DAMMIT

Fman99 May 13 2015 08:24 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Hey nice knock there for DooDoo

Fman99 May 13 2015 08:28 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Jeez, inadvertent break there to not get another shitty double play out of it.

Ashie62 May 13 2015 08:28 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

More weirdness.

Ashie62 May 13 2015 08:29 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

GET A HIT!!

Ashie62 May 13 2015 08:29 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

AGHH!

Fman99 May 13 2015 08:31 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

This fucking pop gun lineup. Ugh.

Ashie62 May 13 2015 08:34 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Injuries, injuries, injuries.

Zvon May 13 2015 08:39 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

They are hustlin' their ass's off. We aren't.

Ashie62 May 13 2015 08:39 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Unfuckingreal. Later. Fire Collins.

Edgy MD May 13 2015 08:43 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Fire Collins... because of his poor cleanup skills? I'd have discouraged him from going to the pen unless he was going right to Familia, I'll agree with that. But most other managers would do what he did. And Jerry would decry his lack of a bullet-proof eighth-inning guy. But no manager on earth wins a lot of games with one run to work with.

Edgy MD May 13 2015 08:44 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Triple play time.

d'Kong76 May 13 2015 08:45 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

What was the Journey Atari thing?

Ashie62 May 13 2015 08:50 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

ARGHHHH

d'Kong76 May 13 2015 08:50 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Anyway, that sucked...

Mets Guy in Michigan May 13 2015 08:50 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Brutal.

Edgy MD May 13 2015 08:51 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Well, that ends the walk off streak.

Nymr83 May 13 2015 08:51 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Fuckity fuck fuck.. There are plenty of ways to lose a game, but "Kenny Rogers Style" is the worst of all.

Centerfield May 13 2015 08:51 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

I give up. This team fucking sucks.

Zvon May 13 2015 08:57 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Pretty pathetic. Harvey pitched great, but he wasted himself at the plate, so I won't even say he deserved to win. Seems to me the Mets are not playing with any vitality.

Frayed Knot May 13 2015 09:05 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

TotG 1) I was expecting Harvey to not get the 9th, but I was pretty surprised that he didn't get the 8th 2) We gotta stop bunting. Not just because it's bad strategy (not always, but sometimes) BUT BECAUSE WE SUCK AT IT!!! How can one team, with an ever-changing roster of players, over multiple seasons, pitchers and position players alike, all suck at bunting? Only luck kept us from Sac-Bunting in two DPs! 3) Not that the double-switch was wrong but I was surprised to see Monell rather than Recker. I guess you're figuring that you'd rather have his bat the next inning than AR's glove ... and Monell made some nice stops. 4) On the 5th infielder thing, why bring Nieuwenhuis in rather than Cuddyer? If you remember I was lobbying for Cuddyer to take over at 3B (at least part of the time) when Wright went down; hell, he played half his career there. It was tough to argue with Campbell there while he was so hot early on but that (predictably) didn't last. Such a move would also have gotten Nieuwenberry some ABs early on which in turn might have helped the struggling offense. 5) Speaking of which, Nieuwenhuis looks clueless - and after such a good spring and a decent 2nd half last year. Doesn't help that Mayberry is barely better.

Edgy MD May 13 2015 09:37 PM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

I thought Cuddyer WAS who they brought in. The Cubs announcer said it was him. Monell kept the game from ending earlier with two or three stops of balls in the dirt. At least one and intuitive stab at a bouncing fastball.

Frayed Knot May 14 2015 07:25 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Well then maybe I got bad info because I thought I heard it was Nieuwenhuis who was brought in. Couple add-on points: - Flores's Sac Bunt reduced the odds of the Mets winning (by 2% acc to BB-Ref's 'Win Expectancy' ratings) and that's only after it "worked" even though they got lucky with the accidental tag on a bunt that was too shitty to have any right to succeed. And, yes, it's a generic stat that doesn't tell the whole story, but I don't see any specifics in that situation or with the hitters coming up that makes the strategy look a whole lot better than break-even at best. - Duda is now Better this season vs LHPs than against RHP [.400/.447/.600 vs .244/.347/.384]. Yeah, it's a small sample [38 PA vs 103] but, still, that's a stunning turn-around! If this is a year ago and he's leading off the 9th in a tie game vs a lefty brought in specifically to face him you're looking at the lineup card for available RH pinch-hitters. Last night he quickly gets down 0-2 but then just as quickly smacks a liner into LF and is on as the go-ahead run.

Edgy MD May 14 2015 07:50 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

May be the two stinkiest losses of the year in two days.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 14 2015 08:08 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

They're just a disaster out there. Cuddyer looks terrible at the dish and spiked another throw from shallow left. Niuwy is clueless, Harvey has himself to blame for failing to get a bunt down properly, then failing to hustle. I stand by my belief that no team in baseball has fucked up a greater percentage of their called sac bunts than the Mets have under Collins. It's hard to imagine it being possible even.

Ceetar May 14 2015 08:26 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: They're just a disaster out there. Cuddyer looks terrible at the dish and spiked another throw from shallow left. Niuwy is clueless, Harvey has himself to blame for failing to get a bunt down properly, then failing to hustle. I stand by my belief that no team in baseball has fucked up a greater percentage of their called sac bunts than the Mets have under Collins. It's hard to imagine it being possible even. The Mets are actively campaigning for the DH in the NL and Bartolo Colon is their champion. While of course it's bad that Harvey didn't run it's the mindset that he's up there to make an out, getting on base isn't even in his head. The concept of a pitcher sacrifice bunting and it just being what happens is so routine that it doesn't even enter into Harvey's mind that baserunning is part of his job up there. And the runner (was it Plawecki? I'm blanking) was basically back to first base anyway. I know instinct says to run when you realize he's dropping it, but he should've just stayed at first right? Or gotten into a rundown at least. If they throw to second, he can get back to first. If they run at him, maybe Harvey has time to get to first.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 14 2015 08:47 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Are you really excusing Harvey for fucking up and blaming the baserunner?

Ceetar May 14 2015 08:56 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Are you really excusing Harvey for fucking up and blaming the baserunner? no, I'm pointing out just another reason we should just bite the bullet and go DH because no one fucking takes pitchers at the plate as something worth thinking about. and then i'm ALSO blaming the baserunner, because there might've been a way _he_ could've avoided the doubleplay.

Edgy MD May 14 2015 09:06 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Of course he couldn't do anything. Your job as baserunner on a popup is to jog back within safety distance of the bag and then watch to see if the ball somehow falls in. With the popup 60 feet away from the bag, safety distance is spitting distance. Harvey's job is to assume nothing, and run like a cheetah until he hears an ump call him out. He assumed, and he ended up looking stupid and lazy.

batmagadanleadoff May 14 2015 09:09 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Are you really excusing Harvey for fucking up and blaming the baserunner? Of course he's not blaming the runner, but instead, the DH rule. To blame the runner, illogical as that would be, would require blaming a Met. And that can never be.

Edgy MD May 14 2015 09:11 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Designated hitters have shown a capacity for doing stupid lazy stuff too. It's practically in the job description.

Centerfield May 14 2015 09:12 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Edgy MD wrote: Of course he couldn't do anything. Your job as baserunner on a popup is to jog back within safety distance of the bag and then watch to see if the ball somehow falls in. With the popup 60 feet away from the bag, safety distance is spitting distance. Harvey's job is to assume nothing, and run like a cheetah until he hears an ump call him out. He assumed, and he ended up looking stupid and lazy. Exactly.

Ceetar May 14 2015 09:34 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Centerfield wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Of course he couldn't do anything. Your job as baserunner on a popup is to jog back within safety distance of the bag and then watch to see if the ball somehow falls in. With the popup 60 feet away from the bag, safety distance is spitting distance. Harvey's job is to assume nothing, and run like a cheetah until he hears an ump call him out. He assumed, and he ended up looking stupid and lazy. Exactly. There's not really much he could've done, no. Just wondering if perhaps there was some chaos to be sown in reaction to realizing Harvey wasn't going to make it once the ball dropped rather than about facing again and making a hopeless 80 yard dash. I'm not excusing Harvey, in fact I'm heaping MORE blame. Do you think Harvey's going to take more BP? more bunting drills? his job is to be an automatic out and occasionally get lucky otherwise. With very few exceptions the entire league treats it like that. It's stupid, but if they're not going to care about it, just put in the damn DH.

Edgy MD May 14 2015 09:48 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Ceetar wrote: There's not really much he could've done, no. Run like the Devil was on his tail. Ceetar wrote: Just wondering if perhaps there was some chaos to be sown in reaction to realizing Harvey wasn't going to make it once the ball dropped rather than about facing again and making a hopeless 80 yard dash. I'm not sure what this means. Run, and there's no realization to be had. Ceetar wrote: I'm not excusing Harvey, in fact I'm heaping MORE blame. No, you're deflecting to your pro-DH campaign. Ceetar wrote: Do you think Harvey's going to take more BP? more bunting drills? I think he ought to run, first and foremost. Become a more effective bunter? That would be GREAT. Ceetar wrote: his job is to be an automatic out and occasionally get lucky otherwise. No, that does not correctly characterize his job. Ceetar wrote: With very few exceptions the entire league treats it like that. It's stupid, but if they're not going to care about it, just put in the damn DH. I agree with the part about the DH being damnable. But I would campaign for more caring, not fewer things worth caring about.

Ceetar May 14 2015 09:57 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

so right now, Harvey should be running? What do you think he's going to do to correct the problem of failing to bunt and failing to drive in runners at the plate? Hell, he could do the same thing and there's a decent chance no one even bothers to do what the Cubs did. So many fielders (often pitchers) don't even give a look at second or third when fielding bunts. I've always said I prefer pitcher's taking hitting more seriously to the DH. But I'm tired of the charade. They are NOT taking hitting seriously. There's no strategy anymore because they all suck. Bartolo Colon gets up and we're all laughing about how he might accidentally get on base but it'll be funny looking if he doesn't. Somehow a 24 out game is funny.

Frayed Knot May 14 2015 10:01 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Ceetar wrote: And the runner (was it Plawecki? I'm blanking) was basically back to first base anyway. I know instinct says to run when you realize he's dropping it, but he should've just stayed at first right? Or gotten into a rundown at least. If they throw to second, he can get back to first. If they run at him, maybe Harvey has time to get to first. You do realize that the runner (it was Dilson) was forced, right?

Edgy MD May 14 2015 10:07 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

No, man, right now he should be beating himself up for not running, apologizing to any and all, and reminding himself (with mental hammers) of his obligation to himself, his teammates, his fans, his mother, and whatever higher power he believes in to run until he is established as safe or out. Beyond that, yes, becoming more effective through practice and review is do-able. But then you deflect into your DH argument. Again. I don't get the passage Frayed quotes above. When the ball drops, the runner is forced.

Edgy MD May 14 2015 10:13 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Frayed Knot wrote: - Duda is now Better this season vs LHPs than against RHP [.400/.447/.600 vs .244/.347/.384]. Yeah, it's a small sample [38 PA vs 103] but, still, that's a stunning turn-around! If this is a year ago and he's leading off the 9th in a tie game vs a lefty brought in specifically to face him you're looking at the lineup card for available RH pinch-hitters. Last night he quickly gets down 0-2 but then just as quickly smacks a liner into LF and is on as the go-ahead run. I get the idea that this surprising statistical situation, apart from the SSS, is partially that, as lefties are pitching him more aggressively — in part because the old scouting report says he can't be this good against them, and in part because they're brought in to get him in late-and-close situations, when their job is to get him out and not pitch around him.

Ceetar May 14 2015 10:14 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Edgy MD wrote: No, man, right now he should be beating himself up for not running, apologizing to any and all, and reminding himself (with mental hammers) of his obligation to himself, his teammates, his fans, his mother, and whatever higher power he believes in to run until he is established as safe or out. Beyond that, yes, becoming more effective through practice and review is do-able. But then you deflect into your DH argument. Again. I don't get the passage Frayed quotes above. When the ball drops, the runner is forced. yeah. I'm just postulating. I don't blame Dilson for not making it happen, I'm just wondering what would happen if he'd just stayed at first. Would Castro be confused and hesitate to make the return throw? If he pauses and makes like he's breaking back to first, could he distract Rizzo enough to give Harvey time to get to first? It's all hidden ball level stuff, but when Rizzo picked up the ball, he was probably 70 feet from second. Not even close enough to make a hard slide. Sometimes I wonder if runners would be better off jumping while running to first to block a throw ala a hockey defenseman when they're too far to slide.

Frayed Knot May 14 2015 10:28 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Ceetar wrote: yeah. I'm just postulating. I don't blame Dilson for not making it happen, I'm just wondering what would happen if he'd just stayed at first. He would have been out by 90 feet instead of 15, and would have removed the possibility of him being safe on a bad throw. Sometimes I wonder if runners would be better off jumping while running to first to block a throw ala a hockey defenseman when they're too far to slide. He'd still be out and now the runner behind him would automatically be called out on account of someone already out of the play interfering with the remainder of the play, thus turning the DP from a probability into a certainty.

Edgy MD May 14 2015 10:30 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

I assume he means running to second. Another possibility would be that the runner would be dead. Jumping, face first, into the path of a the relay from the shortstop, twenty feet away? Really?

seawolf17 May 14 2015 10:34 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

There's only one way we get out of that botched bunt with only one out. As soon as Rizzo sees that Harvey's not running, it's an easy DP. Harvey hustles, it forces Rizzo to just catch the ball and get the out. Dilson had no way of knowing that Rizzo was going to let it drop, and if he runs, then whoever catching for the Cubs yells to Rizzo to catch it and then he's doubled off first.

Edgy MD May 14 2015 10:39 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Turning point of the game.

Frayed Knot May 14 2015 10:44 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Edgy MD wrote: I assume he means running to second. I assumed that too. If, while running towards 2nd, the runner intentionally interferes with a throw -- either the one to get him or the throw after that one -- then he's out (assuming he wasn't already) and the umps can automatically thumb out the runner behind him as well even if the relay throw never got to 1st because it's now bouncing around in shallow right field somewhere with half the runner's nose still attached and Rob Manfred's signature imprinted on his face. If said runner can make it look like it wasn't intentional then good luck with that (go in standing up and you're likely to get a face full of ball courtesy of a sidearm relay) but I don't think you can sell that while in the process of imitating a lineman trying to block a punt.

TransMonk May 14 2015 10:46 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Edgy MD wrote: Turning point of the game. Well, that and not scoring with bases loaded and one out in the first. Maybe the first is too early for a turning point, but it was a major opportunity to score and change the complexion of the game with Harvey on the mound.

Benjamin Grimm May 14 2015 11:12 AM Re: IGT 5/13 NYM@CUBS - Harvey Days are Here Again

Edgy MD wrote: Another possibility would be that the runner would be dead. Jumping, face first, into the path of a the relay from the shortstop, twenty feet away? Really? Yeah, thinking outside the box isn't always a good thing.