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A Half Dozen
Wholehearted support | 1 votes |
Tentative support | 10 votes |
Indifference | 4 votes |
Mostly cynicism | 1 votes |
Wholehearted antipathy | 1 votes |
Edgy MD May 28 2015 08:01 AM |
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Ceetar May 28 2015 08:03 AM Re: A Half Dozen |
Sandy Alderson was not quoted as saying "Hey 29 other GMs, see? We're not desperate to trade Gee. We're going to use him. It's good for resting our young pitchers. You can't just give offer us crap and expect us to accept it."
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John Cougar Lunchbucket May 28 2015 08:08 AM Re: A Half Dozen |
Someone will get traded (Gee or Niese), get hurt (Gee or Niese) or be too ineffective (Gee or Niese) to justify its existence for very long, but I don't believe it's intended to last very long. Like the Montero thing, 1 and done, have enough of them over the course of a season and you've banked some innings.
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d'Kong76 May 28 2015 08:23 AM Re: A Half Dozen |
I'm in the really-short-term move that won't last long
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Benjamin Grimm May 28 2015 08:26 AM Re: A Half Dozen |
Dan Warthen was quoted in the Daily News as saying that he expects it to last until August, but that seems really unlikely to me.
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Ceetar May 28 2015 08:32 AM Re: A Half Dozen |
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So like, right after the trading deadline huh? Awfully coincidental.
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Ashie62 May 28 2015 09:27 AM Re: A Half Dozen |
4 man rotation.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 28 2015 09:39 AM Re: A Half Dozen Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 28 2015 09:47 AM |
Moreso than I am by anything regarding the actual strategem, I'm heartened by the fact that we haven't yet seen an anonymous member of the organization speaking to Sherman or someone about how much the six-man smells like two, man. #Tightship
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Benjamin Grimm May 28 2015 09:40 AM Re: A Half Dozen |
I think this is an early glimpse of the future of baseball. I predict that before the 2020's are done, most if not all teams will have a six-man rotation.
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Ceetar May 28 2015 09:43 AM Re: A Half Dozen |
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Going to need a LOT more pitchers to stay healthy for that.
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Benjamin Grimm May 28 2015 09:48 AM Re: A Half Dozen |
True, but each pitcher will be getting more rest and pitching fewer innings.
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Ceetar May 28 2015 09:51 AM Re: A Half Dozen |
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Which doesn't really prevent them from getting injured, beyond that the less you pitch the less opportunity you have to hurt yourself. It could certainly happen..that's how they do it in Japan right? Hmm, if MLB could float that idea, it'd be a good way to boost offense again too.
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Edgy MD May 28 2015 10:20 AM Re: A Half Dozen |
It's a little more than that. It's not merely that the less you pitch, the less opportunity you have to hurt yourself, it's also that the less you pitch, the less compound damage you accumulate, thanks to your one extra day of rest and healing between starts.
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Fman99 May 28 2015 10:24 AM Re: A Half Dozen |
Joel Sherman should hang himself with a noose made out of flaccid dicks.
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Frayed Knot May 28 2015 10:29 AM Re: A Half Dozen Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 28 2015 10:30 AM |
-- I've already heard this discussed in 'wave of the future' terms but I think that's a bit premature. Maybe one day 5-man rotations will seem as antiquated as the 4-man does today, but I don't think those days are quite around the corner yet.
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Benjamin Grimm May 28 2015 10:31 AM Re: A Half Dozen |
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Where would he get such a thing?
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Frayed Knot May 28 2015 10:31 AM Re: A Half Dozen |
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There's an app for that.
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MFS62 May 28 2015 10:36 AM Re: A Half Dozen |
Actually, he already does. Have you checked his Facebook page recently? And he seems to be enjoying it. But they must be MFY dicks, because it looks like he needed more than 200 of them to make a noose.
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Edgy MD May 28 2015 11:02 AM Re: A Half Dozen |
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Maybe not, but right now, they may be closer to eight than they are to five.
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Lefty Specialist May 28 2015 11:10 AM Re: A Half Dozen |
I'm fine with it for a little while. Weakest link goes to the bullpen. In any case, there's no way this persists past the trade deadline. It's to showcase all three of Niese, Gee and Colon, hopefully enticing someone to make a trade.
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seawolf17 May 28 2015 11:25 AM Re: A Half Dozen |
Does it help us win baseball games? Then I'm all for it. Let's see what happens.
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Ceetar May 28 2015 11:36 AM Re: A Half Dozen |
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well at the moment we're trading a few Harvey and deGrom starts for more Gee.
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batmagadanleadoff May 28 2015 11:36 AM Re: A Half Dozen Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 28 2015 11:40 AM |
From the Department of In the Future:
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Benjamin Grimm May 28 2015 11:39 AM Re: A Half Dozen |
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That's part of the idea. They want Harvey and deGrom to start fewer games over the next couple of months so that they're more fresh for the last stage of the pennant race and the playoffs. The potential downside is that the fewer starts from the better pitchers might leave the Mets less well positioned for the final stretch.
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Zvon May 28 2015 11:44 AM Re: A Half Dozen |
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How about we stick Gee in the pen, call up Matz & stay with the 6-man rotation. One of the NY papers mentioned this and I'd love to see Matz up.
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batmagadanleadoff May 28 2015 11:48 AM Re: A Half Dozen Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 28 2015 11:55 AM |
The Mets can get away with this for now so long as their so-called abundance of pitching isn't all major-league ready, whether because of injuries (Wheeler, Montero) ripeness (Matz, so they say), or something else. Sooner or later though, something's gonna give. A team can't hoard ten major-league ready starting pitchers, can it?
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Ceetar May 28 2015 11:48 AM Re: A Half Dozen |
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Or, to mitigate the need to use the shorter bench as much, DH.
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Benjamin Grimm May 28 2015 11:50 AM Re: A Half Dozen |
The argument for keeping Gee as part of the six-man rotation, I think, is that if he does well he has more trade value than he would if he was doing occasional long relief. If he does in fact get traded, then they can go back to a five-man, or replace him with Matz in the six-man. (This all assumes, of course, that no one drops from the rotation due to injury or ineffectiveness.)
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Mets – Willets Point May 28 2015 12:03 PM Re: A Half Dozen |
I've had a crazy idea for some time that I call the "Double Rotation" where a team would have 10 pitchers and rank them on their effectiveness over a number of innings so that a pitcher who is highly effective for 7+ innings (what we would now call an ace) would be ranked #1 and a pitcher highly effective for 1-2 innings (what we now call a closer) would be ranked #10, and various lengths of effectiveness would Then they would be paired together 1/10, 2/9, 3/8, 4/7, and 5/6. Instead of having starters and relievers, the pair of pitchers would each expect to pitch every five days for the number of innings they've deemed to be effective. A manager would want to tinker with this to pair up righties & lefties where possible. The advantage is that a team can seek out the best pitching possible without giving thoughts to starters and relievers and make sure they all consistently get work. There are of course many disadvantages, but you know those already. Anyhow, thanks for tuning in to MWP's Crazy Ideas.
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Lefty Specialist May 28 2015 12:39 PM Re: A Half Dozen |
I just don't think a 6-man rotation is viable over the long term. It leaves you with either a short bench or a short bullpen.
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Edgy MD May 28 2015 12:52 PM Re: A Half Dozen |
Sure, but part of the thinking is (or should be) that the guy three days away from starting is also your last guy out of the pen.
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Zvon May 28 2015 03:05 PM Re: A Half Dozen |
And the guy with The Hammer could be our #3 pinch hitter on off days. And Hairball can hit.
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batmagadanleadoff Jun 01 2015 11:41 AM Re: A Half Dozen |
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Speaking of six-man rotations, pitching is this week's theme at Grantland's "The 30" baseball piece by Jonah Keri, and the Mets are one of the featured teams.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/mlb-t ... -pitching/
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Frayed Knot Jun 06 2015 10:22 PM Re: A Half Dozen |
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My prediction overshot it.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 07 2015 07:42 AM Re: A Half Dozen |
If you predicted Gee would be too ineffective to justify it, come collect your prize.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 07 2015 09:42 AM Re: A Half Dozen |
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The Grand Puma reports:
[url]http://nypost.com/2015/06/07/mets-hint-at-call-up-time-for-stud-lefty-steven-matz/
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Ashie62 Jun 07 2015 03:28 PM Re: A Half Dozen |
Gee is back in the pen, So back to five.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 12 2015 12:52 PM Re: A Half Dozen |
Gee starting Sunday, so we're back to 6, this time around.
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Edgy MD Jun 12 2015 12:55 PM Re: A Half Dozen |
I thought that was still the plan. Six-man rotation, but Gee eats it if there's a day off or a rainout.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 12 2015 01:01 PM Re: A Half Dozen |
[crossout:34ewt2tq]But I don't see an offday or rainout.[/crossout:34ewt2tq] nevermind I get it.
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Ceetar Jun 12 2015 01:10 PM Re: A Half Dozen |
the other concern here though, is that the Mets will be using 9 hitters in the middle of next week. (well, 'hitters') So 6 man rotation, 9 guys batting, 8 guys in the pen. That's 23.
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Edgy MD Jun 12 2015 01:12 PM Re: A Half Dozen |
It's new territory and an all-new flavor. It's greasy and it's smokey. With an unusual combination of hickory and fennel.
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Frayed Knot Jun 12 2015 01:24 PM Re: A Half Dozen |
So Syndergaard gets bumped to Monday and the highest scoring team in all of baseball (by [u:1l1dsydi]50 runs[/u:1l1dsydi] over the NYY of all teams in 2nd). Better him than Gee I suppose.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 12 2015 01:28 PM Re: A Half Dozen |
If I were a guy with tickets to Sunday;s game (and I am) I'd be kinda pissed.
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Ceetar Jun 12 2015 01:30 PM Re: A Half Dozen |
eh, rotations change. Few people actually bought tickets for Sunday with Thor in mind, was just lucky.(Also, I'd rather have seen Gee start his last start, so there's that)
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