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Stannis Baratheon = Bad Father

Centerfield Jun 08 2015 11:50 AM

You know things are fucked up when the pedophile is not the most repugnant character in the episode. What the hell Martin. Who the fuck do you root for now? I find myself hoping the dragons will just get pissed off and torch everybody.

TransMonk Jun 08 2015 12:12 PM Re: Stannis Baratheon = Bad Father

My wife made her bi-weekly decree that we will no longer be watching the show...which will last roughly 7 days. Was anyone really rooting for Stannis? I root for Arya Stark and I root for Tyrion Lannister. I never root for dragons.

Vic Sage Jun 08 2015 01:01 PM Re: Stannis Baratheon = Bad Father

I wasn't rooting for Stannis, but he had a semi-legitimate claim on the throne, and while he was unlikable and unpleasant, he was basically an honorable man who inspired loyalty in Sir Davos (his excellent advisor), and if he was good enough for Davos he was good enough for me. And he genuinely loved his daughter, which made his behavior here even more horrible, showing that he has absolutely no limit on his sense of his own destiny. He sent Davos away, knowing he would try to stop Stannis from murdering the girl, but when Davos returns... what then? I wouldn't be surprised if he led an insurrection. I think there are plenty of characters to root for on this show. Besides Sir Davos, the onion knight, there is Jon Snow, fighting for the wildlings against the white walkers, and whose unclear parentage make him a possible surprise contender for the crown. And his friend, Sam Tarly, who went from a useless sniveling coward, to a wise, brave, loyal protector of Jon and the wildling girl Gilly and her baby. There Jon's sisters, Arya and Sansa. Arya is driven by a quest for righteous revenge and is an admirable survivor. While Sansa started out as a brat, whiner, and perpetual victim, she has gained in strength since she went to the Arie with Littlefinger and has become an even stronger woman since returning to Winterfell. She is a Stark after all. There is also the Knight, Lady Brienne, whose combination of prowess and principles is unmatched since Ned Stark lost his head in Season 1. There is Tyrion Lannister, the ultimate underdog who thinks his way out of harm, with an unfortunate streak of decency and alcoholism that gets him into more trouble. Then, of course, there is Queen Daenerys Targaryen, mother of dragons, who grows increasingly mythic with each episode. There are lots more. GoT is open to criticism on a lot of grounds, but lack of characters to root for doesn't seem to me to be one of them.

Mets – Willets Point Jun 08 2015 01:05 PM Re: Stannis Baratheon = Bad Father

I agree with Vic. There are a shit ton of heels in this world, and no one is flawless, but there are still some genuinely likable characters. In addition to those listed, I like Bronn, because he makes me laugh.

Mets – Willets Point Jun 08 2015 01:07 PM Re: Stannis Baratheon = Bad Father

That being said, Shireen's murder was incredibly difficult to watch. I kept hoping they'd cut to the next scene, but the screaming just went on and on.

Centerfield Jun 08 2015 01:27 PM Re: Stannis Baratheon = Bad Father

My comment was more directed at the Bolton/Stannis confrontation that seems inevitable. Ramsay and his fellow Boltons are among the more deplorable characters on the show. And Stannis may have killed his brother and tortured a bastard or two, but overall seemed to be a somewhat decent guy. Then that. Wow. WTF. I root for all the guys you mentioned. I also root for the Dornish king dude who can't walk (Oberrin's brother). Seems a decent guy. Mainly though I root for boobs.

Centerfield Jun 08 2015 01:29 PM Re: Stannis Baratheon = Bad Father

I also like the Tyrells. The grandmother there is an admirable character. And Margery. Wow.

Mets – Willets Point Jun 08 2015 02:39 PM Re: Stannis Baratheon = Bad Father

Centerfield wrote: I also like the Tyrells. The grandmother there is an admirable character. "You can smell the shit from five miles away!" is the line of the season.

MFS62 Jun 09 2015 08:03 AM Re: Stannis Baratheon = Bad Father

Wait! This is about a TV show? From the thread title, I was getting ready to call Child Services. Later

smg58 Jun 09 2015 09:31 AM Re: Stannis Baratheon = Bad Father

Well she can't turn into a walking zombie if she's been burned to a crisp. Maybe Stannis and Ramsay can flay each other simultaneously. I like Dr. Bashir, I mean the Dornish king, but I'm worried he's too nice to survive for long. Stannis forfeited his claim to being the lesser evil. I half expect Ser Davos to wind up taking the black at this point.

Frayed Knot Jun 09 2015 09:05 PM Re: Stannis Baratheon = Bad Father

OK I'm caught up now. I had been avoiding this thread for two days. TransMonk wrote: I root for Arya Stark and I root for Tyrion Lannister. Def my two favorite characters. Now my biggest problem is going to be withdrawal. I was late to the GoT party and so basically spent this past winter catching up. So now after almost non-stop action I'm about to hit my first lull after this coming Sunday's season finale.

Mets – Willets Point Jun 10 2015 10:02 AM Re: Stannis Baratheon = Bad Father

There's always some books to read.

Ceetar Jun 11 2015 08:06 AM Re: Stannis Baratheon = Bad Father

Mets – Willets Point wrote: There's always some books to read. show's past that point in almost all the story lines now. (Dance with Dragons is the name of the 5th book) and I don't think you can blame this plot twist on Martin either. It's also impossible to know if this stuff will end up in the book. This thread specifically doesn't happen..yet. They're still snowbound and there's about a billion different threads happening related to Winterfell/Ramsey/Reek/his 'Stark' wife. The Red Lady and Davros are also in completely different places. Just skimming the descriptions, I forgot how much crazy stuff is happening that they trimmed off for the show. Marin sprinkles the book with so many 'red herring' plots that go nowhere, but there are definitely some long foreshadowing elements that mostly get stripped out on TV.

Mets – Willets Point Jun 11 2015 10:11 AM Re: Stannis Baratheon = Bad Father

I enjoy a lot of Martin's subplots, but can understand why they've been left off the show and why the show has made composite characters out of Martin's cast of thousands. I think in most cases, the changes in the show have made a different but equally interesting story, and in some cases the show has actually improved upon Martin's books. I do wish the showrunners had decided to just leave out the Dorne plot instead of trying to shoehorn Jaime and Bronn into it. I'd be more interested in following up on Theon's sister Yara's story since she played a part in earlier seasons.

Ceetar Jun 11 2015 10:17 AM Re: Stannis Baratheon = Bad Father

Mets – Willets Point wrote: I enjoy a lot of Martin's subplots, but can understand why they've been left off the show and why the show has made composite characters out of Martin's cast of thousands. I think in most cases, the changes in the show have made a different but equally interesting story, and in some cases the show has actually improved upon Martin's books. I do wish the showrunners had decided to just leave out the Dorne plot instead of trying to shoehorn Jaime and Bronn into it. I'd be more interested in following up on Theon's sister Yara's story since she played a part in earlier seasons. yeah, fair on both points. One thing that bugs me a little is Martin threw in all these "near misses" of characters meeting whereas the show has them meet. There's more Brienne/Jaime stuff that would've fit well. I assume there's a point to all this Dorne stuff rather than just something for Bronn and Jaime to do? There are a lot of characters just sitting around waiting for something to do. Sam and Gilly too. My guess is next week ends with a white raven

Mets – Willets Point Jun 11 2015 10:43 AM Re: Stannis Baratheon = Bad Father

Ceetar wrote: There's more Brienne/Jaime stuff that would've fit well. This. The actors have such good chemistry too, I can't believe they wouldn't want more of them on screen together. Ceetar wrote: There are a lot of characters just sitting around waiting for something to do. Sam and Gilly too. I'm disappointed that they've not gone on their journey. I don't know if that's been excised completely or if they're saving it for next season.

Frayed Knot Jun 14 2015 08:44 PM Re: Stannis Baratheon = Bad Father

Payback's a bitch, eh Stannis?

Mets – Willets Point Jun 15 2015 08:09 AM Re: Stannis Baratheon = Bad Father

Things went downhill swiftly for Stannis, at least until Brienne started talking. She could have kept it simple and just said "My name is Brienne of Tarth, you killed my king, prepare to die!"

Ceetar Jun 16 2015 07:45 AM Re: Stannis Baratheon = Bad Father

I did wonder how the Red Lady was gonna get back to the Wall.

Vic Sage Jun 16 2015 03:14 PM Re: Stannis Baratheon = Bad Father

on a horse, apparently.

Ceetar Jun 16 2015 03:14 PM Re: Stannis Baratheon = Bad Father

Vic Sage wrote: on a horse, apparently. I thought the defectors took all the horses. or they butchered them for meat. or something.

Frayed Knot Jun 16 2015 09:09 PM Re: Stannis Baratheon = Bad Father

Mets – Willets Point wrote: There's always some books to read. So how many books make up this series anyway? And I guess there are more coming based on what I've heard. This type of fantasy fiction isn't normally in my wheelhouse so I don't know that I'm going to seek out the series anyway. And although I had heard of Martin, I had zero knowledge of this series of books prior to the TV show so was totally flying blind when I started watching (which is probably why I was late picking it up). My comment about the "withdrawal" is that, after digesting five seasons worth of show over the last 8 months or so, I now have to wait a year for the next season (a similar thing happened to me with 'Breaking Bad'). Not sure at this point whether I'd gain all that much from reading the books but maybe so. I also wouldn't want to 'get ahead' of the series although from what I've heard recently the show is catching up to and will soon be out-pacing Martin's writing.

Ceetar Jun 16 2015 10:52 PM Re: Stannis Baratheon = Bad Father

The show, with the exception of some minor plot points maybe, is past the books. There are seven, for seven kingdoms. Five written so far. Six is 'almost' done. Keep in mind the first book in the series was written in 1996

seawolf17 Jun 17 2015 07:39 AM Re: Stannis Baratheon = Bad Father

I tried to read the books before watching the show, and found them incredibly dense. I got through the first two well enough, but by the time I got through three and four, was completely lost. After we binge-watched the first three seasons, I re-read the books, and they made a LOT more sense.

Mets – Willets Point Jun 17 2015 08:33 AM Re: Stannis Baratheon = Bad Father

I listened to all the audiobooks after binge-watching seasons 1-4 over the winter. I don't think I would have had the time or patience to read all those tomes in print. Having watched the show definitely made it easier to follow what was happening in the books.

Frayed Knot Jun 18 2015 10:19 AM Re: Stannis Baratheon = Bad Father

GoT and the Mets clubhouse: http://m.mlb.com/cutfour/2015/06/17/131 ... nes-finale

Mets – Willets Point Jun 21 2015 11:33 AM Re: Stannis Baratheon = Bad Father