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Red Men. Not Bird Men. Not Red Bird Men.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 24 2015 09:33 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jun 25 2015 08:50 PM

Red Alert! Interloper(s). Identify them all in one post to claim your prize. [fimg=245]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/324/19136922601_dd2549b485_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=265]https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3818/19136922581_15dc23b132_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/363/19136922571_ef5fbe42f9_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/303/19127917622_25bc4f109e_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=255]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/338/19107247796_6586a89a9c_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=270]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/327/19107247816_3757f76e61_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/290/19167364811_b670ce9e01_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=255]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/536/19127879642_a4b033aea6_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/488/19127917582_3afa9869a8_o.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/561/19107247756_d26659cdbf_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/327/19133463825_4bae692235_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=245]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/417/19107247786_a980e0b961_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=255]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/410/19107247766_69caf49e49_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3935/19107394266_505c2ff8ba_o.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=255]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/550/19117684606_6e2279aae2_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=255]https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3780/19107394376_849995a55b_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=255]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/388/19127917592_47ede4ffff_o.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=255]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/438/19136922631_8e9975f2d2_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/425/19133463895_3218ec344c_o.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=255]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/414/19133463905_7dafbcf9ed_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=240]https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3808/19133463935_7428906dbb_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/457/19107394316_872ac1a58d_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3895/19136922641_b5f9c5d59e_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=245]https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3709/19127879592_155df6bf6a_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=245]https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3701/19127879602_293faffb3f_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/484/19127879662_d6081bed4d_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=245]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/543/19107394326_94238c55a1_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/281/19127917552_59f792e3e8_o.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=245]https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3835/19133463955_25e99149f0_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/526/19107394296_5c33cdea53_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/367/19136922531_b203a06202_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=350]https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3868/19127879632_4643498ce7_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=350]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/371/19133463855_2ef576e727_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=350]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/337/19127879622_d0cc70cb1c_o.jpg[/fimg]

MFS62 Jun 24 2015 09:41 PM Re: Red Men. Not Bird Men. Not Red Bird Men.

Thinking Jeff Conine, but I'll keep looking. Later

batmagadanleadoff Jun 24 2015 11:16 PM Re: Red Men. Not Bird Men. Not Red Bird Men. Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 25 2015 05:02 AM

MIA Darren Bragg Raul Gonzalez Keith Hughes Stan Jefferson Jeff Kaiser Luis Lopez Juan Padilla Rick Reed Dennis Ribant Tony Tarasco Eric Valent Frank Viola [fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/306/18957851319_8e42f9db87_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3797/18957851339_0a2c4b5735_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/513/18957851329_ebfe2533dd_o.jpg[/fimg]

Zvon Jun 24 2015 11:31 PM Re: Red Men. Not Bird Men. Not Red Bird Men.

The Redmen got you workin' overtime. Who made the Bob Johnson? I like his taste in backgrounds. I used the same one in a recent update of Dick Smith. [fimg=300:1halwe95]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/363/19136922571_ef5fbe42f9_o.jpg[/fimg:1halwe95][fimg=300:1halwe95]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Jff0WcrnNZA/VYeHYNgTEGI/AAAAAAAAZ5c/dHbskKG18To/s740/64mfcDickSmith-z15nw.png[/fimg:1halwe95] Oh, btw, I must thank Fry for providing that Dick pic.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 25 2015 05:00 AM Re: Red Men. Not Bird Men. Not Red Bird Men.

Always a good day when someone puts a Dick pic on the Internet. I don;t get the "interloper" game. Are we looking for guys who weren't Mets or weren't Reds?

batmagadanleadoff Jun 25 2015 05:04 AM Re: Red Men. Not Bird Men. Not Red Bird Men.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Always a good day when someone puts a Dick pic on the Internet. I don;t get the "interloper" game. Are we looking for guys who weren't Mets or weren't Reds? Either way. If they're not connected to the Mets and the Reds, they're interlopers. And by connection, I mean played, coached or managed for the big clubs.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 25 2015 05:13 AM Re: Red Men. Not Bird Men. Not Red Bird Men.

I had lots of cards from this year and can spot the fakes (interlopers?) immediately.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 25 2015 07:52 AM Re: Red Men. Not Bird Men. Not Red Bird Men. Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 25 2015 07:57 AM

I had lots of cards from this year and can spot the fakes (interlopers?) immediately. [fimg=266]https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3709/19127879592_155df6bf6a_o.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=266]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/550/19117684606_6e2279aae2_o.jpg[/fimg] Here's a hint, which may or not be helpful, which might throw you off the trail or put you on the trail -- because with me, you never know: We're looking for interlopers, not fake cards. Fake cards aren't necessarily interlopers, though they could be. Here's another fake '77, yet Seaver isn't an interloper. See?

batmagadanleadoff Jun 25 2015 07:54 AM Re: Red Men. Not Bird Men. Not Red Bird Men.

Zvon wrote: The Redmen got you workin' overtime. Who made the Bob Johnson? I like his taste in backgrounds. I used the same one in a recent update of Dick Smith. [fimg=300]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/363/19136922571_ef5fbe42f9_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=300]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Jff0WcrnNZA/VYeHYNgTEGI/AAAAAAAAZ5c/dHbskKG18To/s740/64mfcDickSmith-z15nw.png[/fimg] I don't remember where I got the Johnson from. I've had it on my PC for awhile, now. But that's some coincidence. About the background.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 25 2015 07:59 AM Re: Red Men. Not Bird Men. Not Red Bird Men.

I had lots of cards from this year and can spot the fakes (interlopers?) immediately. [fimg=266]https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3709/19127879592_155df6bf6a_o.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=266]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/550/19117684606_6e2279aae2_o.jpg[/fimg] Here's a hint, which may or not be helpful, which might throw you off the trail or put you on the trail -- because with me, you never know: We're looking for interlopers, not fake cards. Fake cards aren't necessarily interlopers, though they could be. Here's another fake '77, yet Seaver isn't an interloper. See? OE -- BTW, there's 19 fake cards in the OP.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 25 2015 08:25 AM Re: Red Men. Not Bird Men. Not Red Bird Men.

I disapprove of fake cards in this context. Dan Norman never played for the Reds in the big leagues and neither did Scarce. So are they not interlopers too?

Zvon Jun 25 2015 01:20 PM Re: Red Men. Not Bird Men. Not Red Bird Men.

Every time I see Scarce I think of a young David Letterman. Anyone else see it? Re: The background. I'm not surprised at all. There are a limited amount of good quality color images showing just the stands of old stadiums. I have many Shea backgrounds but a very small amount from other teams stadiums.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 25 2015 08:57 PM Re: Red Men. Not Bird Men. Not Red Bird Men.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I disapprove of fake cards in this context. Dan Norman never played for the Reds in the big leagues and neither did Scarce. So are they not interlopers too? You were supposed to identify all the interlopers in the same post, but yeah, Scarce and Norman are two of them. Norman came to the Mets without any Major League experience and Scarce spent two years in the Reds system without ever making the big club. Any other interlopers out there? I think there are. I'm impressed that you knew those were fake cards from memory alone. If I saw a card from my elementary school collecting days that I never saw before, I would first assume that it's a card I never acquired rather than a fake. The Scarce card is obviously fake, though. There's a topps watermark on the photo, and the font used for the name isn't the right one. The Norman fake looks accurate, detail-wise. Why don't you like the fake cards here? Do you disapprove of them in the interloper game, or do you disapprove of them under any conditions?

Zvon Jun 25 2015 09:19 PM Re: Red Men. Not Bird Men. Not Red Bird Men.

Maybe you should somehow indicate if a card is fake. Some people might go looking for the card if they like it and think it's a real card.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 26 2015 05:08 AM Re: Red Men. Not Bird Men. Not Red Bird Men.

batmagadanleadoff wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I disapprove of fake cards in this context. Dan Norman never played for the Reds in the big leagues and neither did Scarce. So are they not interlopers too? You were supposed to identify all the interlopers in the same post, but yeah, Scarce and Norman are two of them. Norman came to the Mets without any Major League experience and Scarce spent two years in the Reds system without ever making the big club. Any other interlopers out there? I think there are. I'm impressed that you knew those were fake cards from memory alone. If I saw a card from my elementary school collecting days that I never saw before, I would first assume that it's a card I never acquired rather than a fake. The Scarce card is obviously fake, though. There's a topps watermark on the photo, and the font used for the name isn't the right one. The Norman fake looks accurate, detail-wise. Why don't you like the fake cards here? Do you disapprove of them in the interloper game, or do you disapprove of them under any conditions? They don't belong in the same post with real cards. I support segregation of the card races. I am okay with guys making their own cards in general. I knew Norman never appeared as a Red prior to the Seaver trade. Scarce I looked up to confirm my suspicions. Their interloptions were given away by their cards.

dgwphotography Jun 26 2015 07:34 AM Re: Red Men. Not Bird Men. Not Red Bird Men.

I still wince when I see The franchise in that uniform.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 26 2015 12:07 PM Re: Red Men. Not Bird Men. Not Red Bird Men.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: Why don't you like the fake cards here? Do you disapprove of them in the interloper game, or do you disapprove of them under any conditions? They don't belong in the same post with real cards. I support segregation of the card races. I am okay with guys making their own cards in general. I knew Norman never appeared as a Red prior to the Seaver trade. Scarce I looked up to confirm my suspicions. Their interloptions were given away by their cards. A purist, eh? I used to feel that way, but as these card threads evolved, I try harder to get more and more players into the OP. It's all about representation. With the customs, I can get more coverage. Watch the upcoming Cubs thread for a newly discovered Chris Cannizzarro DIY, for example. He played for them in the second half of '71 and went to the Dodgers in December of that year. Topps had enough time to make a later series high # Dodgers card of CC. But there's no Cub card of CC, though. His Cub stint fell through the cracks, for card purposes, like many players with many teams. Won't we all be enriched, being able to see CC on a Cubs card? Interestingly enough, the Fregosi-Ryan trade was completed a week before the Dodgers picked up CC from the Cubs. Yet Fregosi appears with his old team in the '72 set. That's because JF was included in the first series, and that series was already printed by the time he was traded to the Mets. So the non-existence of a CC Topps Cub card is as much a quirk of fate as anything else. Had Topps committed to including CC in the first series of '72 cards, his card would've been in a Cubs uni. [fimg=333]http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTI1Nlg5NTc=/z/pqIAAOSwu4BVjCBj/$_57.JPG[/fimg]

batmagadanleadoff Jun 27 2015 11:18 PM Re: Red Men. Not Bird Men. Not Red Bird Men.

The other interlpoper is Bob Aspromonte, pictured on a real 1972 Topps card as a Red. Aspro's last game as a Met was his last MLB game ever. He was a Reds Spring Training Invitee in '72, but didn't make the cut. I was sure that Zvon would've gotten this one, as this was the subject of a Butterball Field "Who Am I?" post last year.

Zvon Jun 28 2015 11:29 AM Re: Red Men. Not Bird Men. Not Red Bird Men.

Come-on. You know I have a brain like a sieve.

Zvon Jun 28 2015 10:38 PM Re: Red Men. Not Bird Men. Not Red Bird Men.

Batmags. I found a loophole in my psychological make-up. I can make cards of other great non-Mets players if they are pictured at Shea. I'll do a page of non-Mets. You pick from your massive photo library a dozen non-Mets players with Shea in the background. I said "great" players but they can be anyone you choose. I'll make 12 non-Mets cards from those pics. No idea yet what borders or years I'll use, although I'm thinking that it would be kool to use the Topps border for whatever year the photo was taken. You up for that?

batmagadanleadoff Jun 28 2015 11:02 PM Re: Red Men. Not Bird Men. Not Red Bird Men.

Zvon wrote: Batmags. I found a loophole in my psychological make-up. I can make cards of other great non-Mets players if they are pictured at Shea. I'll do a page of non-Mets. You pick from your massive photo library a dozen non-Mets players with Shea in the background. I said "great" players but they can be anyone you choose. I'll make 12 non-Mets cards from those pics. No idea yet what borders or years I'll use, although I'm thinking that it would be kool to use the Topps border for whatever year the photo was taken. You up for that? That'd be fine by me. But I got such a kick out of seeing you put Bob Miller the Padre on a Padre card that I finally decided to listen to my inner kid and teach my own self how to make cards. It's a big learning curve because the only image editing program I ever used was MS Paint, and that's an extremely limited program. Anyways, I've been learning how to do this and it's a lot of two steps forward and one step back. Or two steps backward and one step forward. I'll pick out a player for you to do whatever you want with, ideally, a one time Met shot at Shea. By the way, I faked some cards in the new Cubs thread. Can you find them?

batmagadanleadoff Jun 28 2015 11:12 PM Re: Red Men. Not Bird Men. Not Red Bird Men.

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Zvon wrote: Batmags. I found a loophole in my psychological make-up. I can make cards of other great non-Mets players if they are pictured at Shea. I'll do a page of non-Mets. You pick from your massive photo library a dozen non-Mets players with Shea in the background. I said "great" players but they can be anyone you choose. I'll make 12 non-Mets cards from those pics. No idea yet what borders or years I'll use, although I'm thinking that it would be kool to use the Topps border for whatever year the photo was taken. You up for that? That'd be fine by me. But I got such a kick out of seeing you put Bob Miller the Padre on a Padre card that I finally decided to listen to my inner kid and teach my own self how to make cards. It's a big learning curve because the only image editing program I ever used was MS Paint, and that's an extremely limited program. Anyways, I've been learning how to do this and it's a lot of two steps forward and one step back. Or two steps backward and one step forward. I'll pick out a player for you to do whatever you want with, ideally, a one time Met shot at Shea. By the way, I faked some cards in the new Cubs thread. Can you find them? OK. Here'a a nice sized The Man From Topps pic of Millan at Shea. It's kinda rare because Millan wore the Braves feather uni for just that one season. Do whatever you want with this one. Any style. Surprise everybody.

Zvon Jun 29 2015 12:05 AM Re: Red Men. Not Bird Men. Not Red Bird Men.

I don't really want to have to deal with watermarks for this. I might be able to do something with that but the time spent removing the watermark would be extensive, by the looks of it...or maybe not. That's mostly on the blue of his shirt. There's really is no rush, I guess. I'll see what I can do. Also, I don't want to be difficult but I want the view of Shea in the background to be as focused as possible. You know what I mean? I want folks to know it's Shea right off. I think I saw the Cubs you made and if it's the ones with the vibrant blue 77 Mets up top, I like em.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 29 2015 01:00 AM Re: Red Men. Not Bird Men. Not Red Bird Men.

You're right about the watermark. Here's two one-time Mets in enemy garb, shot at Shea in 1971: Our old friend Bob, and Gene Clines. Here's two of the Cubs cards I made: [fimg=353]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/471/19035001310_4219063c18_o.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=322]https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3885/19038168410_30c6377148_o.jpg[/fimg] I put 'em in card sleeves and stuck a COMC watermark on 'em to make 'em look realer. The Fyhrie's an obvious fake, though, logically. He was a fringe reliever pitcher from 20 years ago, and so would never be on a Topps Heritage card, or probably any card at all. Here's the pics I used: [fimg=333]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/522/19070072048_6b4f6559d4_o.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=333]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/276/19070072058_4fb0592858_o.jpg[/fimg] The Takashi's not mine. Someone on the web posted over a hundred cardless contemporary players in that '77 style. I've been scooping up a few of his cards to fill out the MIA's from these card threads.

Zvon Jun 29 2015 05:05 AM Re: Red Men. Not Bird Men. Not Red Bird Men.

Excellent pics of Bob and Gene, thank you. Adding the COMC watermark on them is a stroke of genius. Because of that I would not even have considered those to be fake. I don't know Heritage well enough to know Fyhrie would never be in the set. Or maybe I should say I don't know Fyhrie enough. You got the Heritage logo up in there. Great job :) OE: I can guess the years of the pic but if you know that info please lemme know.

SteveJRogers Jun 29 2015 08:25 AM Re: Red Men. Not Bird Men. Not Red Bird Men.

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I put 'em in card sleeves and stuck a COMC watermark on 'em to make 'em look realer. The Fyhrie's an obvious fake, though, logically. He was a fringe reliever pitcher from 20 years ago, and so would never be on a Topps Heritage card, or probably any card at all. Oddly enough, Fyhrie is a cardless Met, and a Toppless player all together! [url]http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Person.cfm/pid/28774/col/1/yea/0/Mike-Fyhrie?sTeam=&sCardNum=&sNote=&sSetName=&sBrand=

Zvon Jun 29 2015 08:31 AM Re: Red Men. Not Bird Men. Not Red Bird Men.

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