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Going to Cali... is Terry Going With Them?

d'Kong76 Jul 02 2015 01:48 PM

Just wondering, as they've seem to have hit rock bottom.

Ceetar Jul 02 2015 01:50 PM Re: Going to Cali... is Terry Going With Them?

media still seems to love him, so doubt the Mets feel compelled to make what will at best be a lateral move anyway, cause no way they're interviewing candidates mid-season.

Frayed Knot Jul 02 2015 01:51 PM Re: Going to Cali... is Terry Going With Them?

Whoever is going is going with an achin' in their heart.

Edgy MD Jul 02 2015 02:04 PM Re: Going to Cali... is Terry Going With Them?

Wally Backman's got a team five and a half games in front of El Paso. It's a factor.

dgwphotography Jul 02 2015 02:38 PM Re: Going to Cali... is Terry Going With Them?

Terry isn't going anywhere until the season is over. They won't pay for a second manager.

Edgy MD Jul 02 2015 02:48 PM Re: Going to Cali... is Terry Going With Them?

Managers are cheap. Interims cheaper. There's a lot of good and bad reasons not to fire him, but I don't think it's deep pockets.

dgwphotography Jul 02 2015 02:57 PM Re: Going to Cali... is Terry Going With Them?

Edgy MD wrote: Managers are cheap. Interims cheaper. There's a lot of good and bad reasons not to fire him, but I don't think it's deep pockets. I think he should be fired, because I think he's lost this team. I think he won't be fired mainly due to the extra cost involved, no matter how relatively cheap it may be.

Ashie62 Jul 02 2015 03:11 PM Re: Going to Cali... is Terry Going With Them?

They can replace Sandy and Terry at the end of the season.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 02 2015 03:26 PM Re: Going to Cali... is Terry Going With Them?

I think I once posted here that I was opposed to Wally Backman because he was a psychopath, and, although he probably still is, I think I'm ready for the Wally Era. Bring it on. Why not?

Ashie62 Jul 02 2015 03:32 PM Re: Going to Cali... is Terry Going With Them?

Wally has made it perfectly clear what he wants from his minor league players. Yes it be can salty but it is simple and to the point. Baseball players are not rocket scientists. They understand Wallyspeak. I love how he ends a postgame tirade with "ok, now go sign some autographs.? Terry? Tired, old and spent. Thank you for your efforts.

Frayed Knot Jul 02 2015 03:55 PM Re: Going to Cali... is Terry Going With Them?

The Mets have canned departing managers owing them money, often for multiple years, virtually every time they made a change. They may or may not make a decision to jettison Terry but that decision isn't going to hinge on balking at paying him 1/2 a season's salary.

dgwphotography Jul 02 2015 03:57 PM Re: Going to Cali... is Terry Going With Them?

Frayed Knot wrote: The Mets have canned departing managers owing them money, often for multiple years, virtually every time they made a change. They may or may not make a decision to jettison Terry but that decision isn't going to hinge on balking at paying him 1/2 a season's salary. Since The Madoff scheme blew up on them?

Edgy MD Jul 02 2015 04:01 PM Re: Going to Cali... is Terry Going With Them?

dgwphotography wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Managers are cheap. Interims cheaper. There's a lot of good and bad reasons not to fire him, but I don't think it's deep pockets. I think he should be fired, because I think he's lost this team. I think he won't be fired mainly due to the extra cost involved, no matter how relatively cheap it may be. I understand.

Ashie62 Jul 02 2015 06:33 PM Re: Going to Cali... is Terry Going With Them?

Much of this may have to do with whether or not David Wright can continue his career. If he is done I want a young GM and manager to right the tracks.

Lefty Specialist Jul 02 2015 06:46 PM Re: Going to Cali... is Terry Going With Them?

I've not been a big proponent of Wally to this point, but this team has been so lackadaisical that SOMEBODY needs to kick their ass. (Besides the other team, that is.)

Edgy MD Jul 02 2015 06:56 PM Re: Going to Cali... is Terry Going With Them?

David Wright may never be as good, but it's highly unlikely he's done, and I'm not sure what the age of the manager or general manager has to do with anything.

Gwreck Jul 02 2015 07:01 PM Re: Going to Cali... is Terry Going With Them?

dgwphotography wrote: I think he should be fired, because I think he's lost this team. How does one even measure that? I don't think Terry's coming back next year but a fair analysis of the team's troubles reveals that the shortcomings are on the front office and ownership, not Terry.

Edgy MD Jul 02 2015 07:22 PM Re: Going to Cali... is Terry Going With Them?

I don't know that anybody's done it, but I think a manager's performance is quantifiable. Coaches, too.

Ceetar Jul 02 2015 07:38 PM Re: Going to Cali... is Terry Going With Them?

Edgy MD wrote: I don't know that anybody's done it, but I think a manager's performance is quantifiable. Coaches, too. It's internally quantifiable maybe. We don't have access to more information than we do regarding what managers do.

Edgy MD Jul 02 2015 07:44 PM Re: Going to Cali... is Terry Going With Them?

They handle enough players that comparing each players career trajectory projection when he comes under a manager's care with what they ultimately produce under him should do the trick. Any one player's change in career trajectory could be attributable to any number of factors with varying degrees of relevance to his manager's care. But as dozens and then hundreds of players pass through the manager's stable, patterns emerge and meaningful bottom line starts to form.

Ashie62 Jul 02 2015 07:45 PM Re: Going to Cali... is Terry Going With Them?

Edgy MD wrote: David Wright may never be as good, but it's highly unlikely he's done, and I'm not sure what the age of the manager or general manager has to do with anything. Like any employee anywhere, vitality.

Edgy MD Jul 02 2015 08:04 PM Re: Going to Cali... is Terry Going With Them?

I don't think Sandy Alderson's moves are succeeding or failing based on his testosterone level or cellular degeneration. He strikes me as a man who can clean the floor with a lot of guys half his age, for what that's worth.

Ashie62 Jul 03 2015 10:53 AM Re: Going to Cali... is Terry Going With Them?

A fresh piece from Heyman on Terry and Sandy. Not a bad read. [url][/http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/25232339/mets-are-falling-but-collins-appears-safe-for-very-near-term-anywayurl]

Ashie62 Jul 03 2015 10:54 AM Re: Going to Cali... is Terry Going With Them?

I cannot get these into links of late. Poop.

Ashie62 Jul 03 2015 10:55 AM Re: Going to Cali... is Terry Going With Them?

Edgy MD wrote: I don't think Sandy Alderson's moves are succeeding or failing based on his testosterone level or cellular degeneration. He strikes me as a man who can clean the floor with a lot of guys half his age, for what that's worth. I was thinking more about innovation and passion.