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SI Metman
Feb 10 2006 12:34 PM

[url]http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20060210&content_id=1309563&vkey=pr_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym[/url]

He's going to teach the kids how to be Rickey and how to improve at seven card stud.

metirish
Feb 10 2006 12:41 PM

Well with 'Texas Hold-em' being so popular with the kids now having Rickey at ST can only improve their game.

Edgy DC
Feb 10 2006 12:46 PM

Does that mean that, gulp, he's retired?

SI Metman
Feb 10 2006 12:52 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
Does that mean that, gulp, he's retired?


Yup, he officially announced it during the Winter Meetings.

metirish
Feb 10 2006 12:53 PM

Good question Edgy, in Rickey's world he might see Spring Training instructor as a chance to go 'North' with the Mets.....

Frayed Knot
Feb 10 2006 12:54 PM

Yeah, he actually said earlier this winter that he was done playing at any level.

Interesting that he's being brought back, even if only for a short stint.
Not that I don't think his goofy personally can't adapt to teaching but he and the org parted on really bad terms. Guess he either forgot or figures that those he was butting heads with are no longer here (Phillips).
Remember they didn't give him a NL Ch ring for his partial 2000 seasons (or eventually did so reluctantly) even though they did give them out to others with lesser contributions.

Bret Sabermetric
Feb 10 2006 12:59 PM

Frayed Knot wrote:
he and the org parted on really bad terms.


And about twelve other orgs.

Professor Henderson, teaching seminars in "Egotism 101," "Acheiving Personal Goals in a Team Sport," and a special graduate course in "Jaking and Peevishness" (prerequisite: "Running Out Grounders at 3/4ths Speed")

Johnny Dickshot
Feb 10 2006 01:00 PM

He's an interesting guy to look at in respect to Julio Franco, since both guys were super-vets expected to contribute for a year but had to be offered 2 years to come.

To Rickey's credit he understood the game the Mets were playing and knowing they knew Rickey would be Rickey, they probably should have made an exception and given him that raise for '01.

Centerfield
Feb 10 2006 02:22 PM

Awesome.

Edgy DC
Feb 10 2006 02:38 PM

For what it's worth, his tutelage was a reportedly a big part of that All-Star-quality year that Cedeño turned in in 1999.

Of course, that leaves one to wonder why whatever Roger supposedly learned didn't stick so well.

So, is this possibly a signal that Mookie is not going to be in camp, and is perhaps off the payroll entirely?

MFS62
Feb 10 2006 02:39 PM

With his "informal" coaching, Roger Cedeno stole at a success rate of something like 60 of 66.
Who knows what he can do for Carlos Delgado?

Later

metirish
Feb 10 2006 02:40 PM

]So, is this possibly a signal that Mookie is not going to be in camp, and is perhaps off the payroll entirely?


Yeah I read and posted that Mookie left the organization a few weeks back, as did Tim Teufel, no reasons were given .

Willets Point
Feb 10 2006 02:42 PM

Artistic differences?

Edgy DC
Feb 10 2006 02:47 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 10 2006 07:57 PM

Yeah, the "left the organization" thing seemed to be an ambiguous report though. Not managing a team this year didn't necessarily mean they were cutting ties and looking to hook up with on-field jobs elsewhere.

On the other hand, if Mookie moves back into a pr/community relations role, he'd get another year of people telling him that they named their dog/cat/guinea pig/tarantula/lemming and he'd eventually snap.

TheOldMole
Feb 10 2006 07:46 PM

This is good. Rickey is smart and knowledgeable.

Frayed Knot
Feb 10 2006 09:12 PM

Yeah, but he hides it so well.

metirish
Feb 10 2006 09:33 PM

Rickey ain't done yet.....

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"In my mind, I'm not really done playing," Henderson said Friday in a conference call. "Anything can happen this year. I'm going to play it by ear. If I get the opportunity to play, or get the opportunity to try out, I'm willing to do that, too."

Johnny Dickshot
Feb 10 2006 09:35 PM

Free Rickey! Release Endy Chavez!

Zvon
Feb 10 2006 10:04 PM

You sure you got that quote right metirish?
Sure it didnt read:
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"In Rickey's mind, Rickey's not really done playing," Henderson said Friday in a conference call. "Anything can happen this year. Rickey's going to play it by ear. If Rickey gets the opportunity to play, or gets the opportunity to try out, Rickey's willing to do that, too."

metirish
Feb 10 2006 10:05 PM

Brilliant...

abogdan
Feb 11 2006 07:23 AM

Am I the only one who'd rather have a 83-year old Rickey as the 5th OF than Endy Chavez, Tike Redman, or Ice Williams?

Nice to see Rickey as part of the Mets organization. Hopefully he'll be willing to take on a larger role, at least to be a roving minor league instructor to help teach the prospects how to run the bases and the importance of getting on base.

TheOldMole
Feb 11 2006 11:55 AM

If they decide to sign Rickey, he won't be the oldest guy on the team.

Nymr83
Feb 11 2006 06:10 PM

it is PATHETIC that a guy who doesnt run hard on groundballs and watches what he thinks is a homer become a single that shoulda been a double/triple gets to coach. this guy is the epitome of the "me me me" ballplayer and the LAST guy who should be instructing anyone. there are hundreds of ex-players more worthy of this job.

MFS62
Feb 12 2006 10:20 AM

As long as the players follow "do as I say and not what I did" when it comes to baseball and his other antics, I'm ok with that.
Later

metirish
Feb 12 2006 10:55 AM

From Jon Heyman in Newsday...funny

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Rickey being Rickey

Beyond providing baserunning and card-playing tips, Rickey Henderson adds a humorous touch to the Mets' spring coaching ranks. One Rickey story: When one Padre explained to another that Henderson always got the best seat on the bus because he had "tenure," Henderson corrected the fellow. "Ten year?" Rickey said incredulously and quite seriously. "What are you talking about? Rickey got 16, 17 years."

Edgy DC
Feb 12 2006 11:25 AM

Sounds a little apocryphal.

metirish
Feb 12 2006 11:31 AM

True , there are probably a hundred Rickey stories that are fiction.

Nymr83
Feb 12 2006 11:41 AM

the olerud story takes the cake

abogdan
Feb 13 2006 09:00 AM

]it is PATHETIC that a guy who doesnt run hard on groundballs and watches what he thinks is a homer become a single that shoulda been a double/triple gets to coach. this guy is the epitome of the "me me me" ballplayer and the LAST guy who should be instructing anyone. there are hundreds of ex-players more worthy of this job.


Henderson is the greatest base stealer of all time and the greatest leadoff hitter of all time. If he never stole a base he'd be in the hall of fame because of his amazing ability to get on base. I'm happy the Mets saw that and invited him to impart some knowledge, hopefully on the team's leadoff hitter with a .300 OBP, instead of focusing on a few times where he didn't run to first base as hard as some would have liked.

Elster88
Feb 13 2006 09:03 AM

Nymr83 wrote:
it is PATHETIC that a guy who doesnt run hard on groundballs and watches what he thinks is a homer become a single that shoulda been a double/triple gets to coach. this guy is the epitome of the "me me me" ballplayer and the LAST guy who should be instructing anyone. there are hundreds of ex-players more worthy of this job.


Rickey had a incredible influence on Roger Cedeno in '99. If that is an indication of his coaching ability then he is the FIRST player who should be teaching baserunning. What is PATHETIC is someone like Matsui, who has excellent speed but can't steal bases.

We SHOULD bring RICKEY up TO the MAJORS to HELP with THE varsity.

Elster88
Feb 13 2006 09:05 AM

abogdan wrote:
Am I the only one who'd rather have a 83-year old Rickey as the 5th OF than Endy Chavez, Tike Redman, or Ice Williams?


No.

I'm guessing that he's only coaching in hopes that he can parlay it into a shot at playing. I doubt coaching will hold his interest for long. Not that I know him or anything.

Edgy DC
Feb 13 2006 09:16 AM

Kaz may not have piled up stolen bases, but he has stolen at an 83% success rate between injuries --- better even than Rickey's rate.

Not exactly mind-blowing over 24 attempts, but it's hardly pathetic.

He didn't even have the advantage that Juan Pierre and Jimmy Rolins did of getting to run against Mike Piazza one day every nine.

Edgy DC
Feb 13 2006 09:20 AM

Oh, shit. Did I just stumble into a cap-lock battle?

Elster88
Feb 13 2006 09:24 AM

]Kaz may not have piled up stolen bases, but he has stolen at an 83% success rate between injuries --- better even than Rickey's rate.


Damn. Maybe I should look up some numbers before posting. Who the heck was I thinking of that has speed but can't steal bases?

MFS62
Feb 13 2006 09:25 AM

Edgy DC wrote:
Oh, shit. Did I just stumble into a cap-lock battle?

Where are Flatt and Scruggs when you may need them?

Later

Edgy DC
Feb 13 2006 09:27 AM

]Maybe I should look up some numbers before posting.


Yeah, well I totally fudged the data on that "one day in nine" thing.

Nymr83
Feb 13 2006 09:31 AM

Matsui hasn't exactly stolen "as advertised" even though his rate is fine. rey ordonez always seemed fast but couldnt steal bags.

Rockin' Doc
Feb 13 2006 09:39 PM

Hard for Rey to steal a base while trotting back to the dugout after yet another out.

Sorry, I just couldn't resist. You're right though, even when he did reach base, Rey never seemed much of a threat to take off and swipe a base.

Speed is obviously a great asset to have when stealing bases, but there is far more that goes into the art of base stealing than just speed. Hopefully, it is that knowledge that Rickey will be able to impart to the Mets players.

MFS62
Feb 14 2006 05:23 AM

Could Rickey have taught Rey how to steal?
Enjoy,
Later
*******************************************************
(With apologies to Marvin Gaye)

Ooh, we’re one run down tonight Rey babe
Shea’s hot just like an oven
A steal we be lovin’

And Rey babe,
Take a lead that’s much longer
A first step that is stronger
And then we get that feeling
Of Rey’s ineffectual stealin’
Ineffectual stealin’, oh Rey babe
Get on down that line
If you ‘re safe it would ease my mind
Ineffectual stealin’, is no good to see
Ineffectual stealin’ is what your steal rate be.

Get up, Get up, Get up, Get up,
You were thrown out tonight
Wake up, Wake up, Wake up, Wake up,
Rickey’ll show you to do it right

I want Effectual Stealing
Effectual Stealing is good to see
Makes me feel so fine, it's such a rush
Helps to relieve the mind, and it's good for us
Effectual Stealing, baby, is good for me
Effectual Stealing is something that's good for me
And it's good for me and it's good to me

When I get this feeling,
I need Effectual Stealing

sharpie
Feb 14 2006 07:52 AM

Good one, MFS.

Edgy DC
Feb 14 2006 02:42 PM

One obvious thing about this Rickey thing that occured to me but wasn't worth saying: Why get very upset about giving somebody a role as a spring training instructor? Not unlike a spring-training tryout player, if he doesn't work out, you'll have to be reminded that he ever wore the uniform come April 4.

One not-so obvious thing about this Rickey thing that occured to me just now: If Jose Reyes picks up 15% of what Rickey seems to know about plate discipline, it would be, like, the most wonderful thing in the world.

Elster88
Feb 14 2006 02:46 PM

It would be nice. I've wondered if that's something that can be learned. Not sure that Rickey can teach it, or anyone really.

abogdan
Feb 17 2006 08:46 AM

[url=http://www.nypost.com/sports/mets/62056.htm]Getting On Base Jose's Target[/url]:

]"With the team we've got, I have to get on base a lot," Reyes said yesterday upon showing up at Mets camp. "We've got Carlos Delgado now. We've got [Carlos] Beltran, too. Paul Lo Duca. So I have to get on base as much as possible."

"A lot of times, I make an out on the first pitch, so that's something I have to learn," said Reyes, who led the majors in triples (17) and the NL in stolen bases (60) last season. "And this year, I'm going to learn more, because we've got a lot of good people around the team."

Edgy DC
Mar 22 2006 06:49 AM



Reyes off and running
By JOHN DELCOS

jdelcos@lohud.com
THE JOURNAL NEWS
(Original publication: March 22, 2006)


FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — Ask any teacher, and he or she will say the same thing: Learning is easy when the student is enthusiastic.

Mets shortstop Jose Reyes couldn't have been more wide-eyed.

The Mets' leadoff hitter and the National League's reigning stolen-base leader was about to be introduced to the best ever in both categories: Rickey Henderson, a future Hall of Famer who's not quite ready to call it quits.

"I can't wait to meet him," Reyes said. "I'm ready to work."

The two chatted on the 90-minute bus ride here from Port St. Lucie, and Henderson held court around the batting cage during batting practice. Reyes and Carlos Beltran were among the listeners.

So was Julio Franco, who, even at the age of 47, was still taking notes.

"He's the best at what he does," Franco said. "The day you stop learning is the day to go home."

That's a concept some never learn but one Reyes has already grasped.

"He can teach me a lot," Reyes said. "He's one of the best leadoff hitters ever in the game. He knows what I have to do to get better."

More important than knowing Reyes' flaws is that Henderson knows how to correct them. That's why he's in camp as a special instructor and will return later this summer.

That is, of course, unless Henderson hooks on with another major-league team. He's played with nine — including the Yankees and Mets — and had four stints with Oakland and two with San Diego.

"One-eighty-seven," said Henderson, 47, when asked how much he weighed, one pound more than when he played and rang up 1,406 stolen bases, more than anybody who ever laced up spikes.

"Yeah, I can still run. I haven't gotten the opportunity to continue. But I love the game."

If nobody calls, Henderson envisions coaching becoming a full-time gig.

Reyes led the National League with 60 stolen bases last season but had only 27 walks with 78 strikeouts and a .300 on-base percentage.

On-base percentage is the lead domino in stealing more bases and scoring more runs.

"My job is to get on base," Reyes said. "I have to get on for the big guys."

Which, of course, is not that easy, said Henderson, who considers Reyes a raw talent, one who has been excelling more on his natural physical abilities than on skill.

When he combines the two, the Mets will have a star.

"He can steal as many bases as he wants to," Henderson said. "The question is whether he wants to."

"I'll get more than 60, for sure," Reyes said.

How?

Henderson said Reyes has a lot to learn at the plate, and more once he reaches first base.

For starters, Reyes has to learn how to hit. Even though Reyes had 190 hits last season, Henderson said there's more Reyes can do at the plate, and it seems so simple.

"He has to be able to hit the fastball," Henderson said. "I wasn't going to miss the fastball. And he has to learn how to hit with two strikes."

When a hitter times himself for a fastball, he can adjust to the slower breaking ball, and when a hitter can protect himself with two strikes, even if he doesn't get a hit, he could prolong the at-bat for a walk or to advance the runner.

"I swung at a lot of bad pitches last year," Reyes said. "Last year, I didn't take a walk. This year, I will be more patient. I'm going to be aggressive and look for my pitch."

Once on base, Reyes admits he falls into a trap common with a lot of base stealers these days in that they try to outrun the ball.

"I use my speed," Reyes said. "I have to learn to read the pitchers better."

Not only that, Henderson said, but he also has to get a better lead and jump, which is where the base is stolen.

Henderson placed a bottle of water on the ground and compared the initial pivot step taken by most runners to his slide step with his right leg, the one closest to the next base.

"You have to stay low, like a sprinter," said Henderson, who, with his first step consistently landed at least a foot closer to the bottle than he did the conventional way.

Above all, Henderson said Reyes needs to develop the mentality of not caring if he gets caught.

"You have to keep running," Henderson said. "I always believed I was going to be safe."

Reach John Delcos at jdelcos@lohud.com.

Willets Point
Mar 22 2006 07:24 AM

Before class with Rickey:

]"My job is to get on base," Reyes said. "I have to get on for the big guys."


After class with Rickey:

]"Jose's job is to get on base," Reyes said. "Jose has to get on for the big guys."

Rotblatt
Mar 22 2006 07:28 AM

Willets Point wrote:
Before class with Rickey:

]"My job is to get on base," Reyes said. "I have to get on for the big guys."


After class with Rickey:

]"Jose's job is to get on base," Reyes said. "Jose has to get on for the big guys."


LOL. For real. Totally embarassing for me, since someone just walked by my office.

Edgy DC
Mar 22 2006 07:39 AM

It's interesting that the only things Henderson discusses is hitting and running, and not not swinging.

It's interesting he mentions the importance of hitting the fastball. I don't know. Maybe raising your OBP begins with being enough of a fastball hitter that it drives pitchers to their offspeed pitches, which lead to more walks and more high-bouncy grounders.

Vic Sage
Mar 22 2006 09:56 AM

]"Last year, I didn't take a walk. This year, I will be more patient. I'm going to be aggressive and look for my pitch."


Interesting.
Reyes is going to be more patient by being more aggressive.
Lets see how that works out.

Edgy DC
Mar 22 2006 10:03 AM

Yeah, that left me scrambling also.

Willets Point
Mar 22 2006 10:04 AM

Kind of Zen isn't it.

Vic Sage
Mar 22 2006 10:14 AM

i think he's going to "BE the ball"...

abogdan
Mar 22 2006 10:23 AM

Na na na na

Centerfield
Mar 22 2006 11:04 AM

For what it's worth, sometimes when Reyes was up there last year, it looked like he was displaying that very contradiction, taking pitches right down the middle, then swinging wildly at everything else.

Frayed Knot
Mar 22 2006 11:15 AM

That's because he often seems to decide ahead of time whether or not he's going to swing at a pitch.

Vic Sage
Mar 22 2006 11:26 AM

he DID decide ahead of time... he decided when he was 12.

metirish
Mar 26 2006 08:34 PM

Rickey will even teach Franco a few tricks...cool article..

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Mets Get Master's in Art of the Steal


By DAVID PICKER

Published: March 26, 2006
PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla., March 25 — With the powerful Florida sun overhead, two men walked slowly down the left-field line before a recent Mets game. The older man did all the talking. The younger man never moved his lips as he nodded.

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Rickey Henderson, left, is a special instructor for the Mets at spring training. José Reyes, right, is his prime pupil.

Then, they stopped. The older man, Rickey Henderson, put his arm around the shoulders of the younger man, José Reyes. Twenty-five years separates them, and yet not even an envelope would have fit between their hips. With baseballs from batting practice whizzing past, they resumed their cerebral stroll through some of the game's finer points.

On Tuesday, the Mets welcomed the 47-year-old Henderson as a special instructor for the final days of spring training. He is here primarily to work with young players like Reyes on the art of reaching base and stealing.

Henderson is perhaps the greatest leadoff hitter in baseball history. During a 25-season career in the majors that ended with the Los Angeles Dodgers in 2003, he stole 1,406 bases, a record. A spot at the Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, N.Y., surely awaits him.

Despite such lofty credentials, Henderson did not seem like an obvious candidate to join the coaching ranks. For starters, he aspires to play another season even though he has not fielded any offers since spending the 2005 season with the San Diego Surf Dawgs of the Golden Baseball League. And during his major league career, he battled the perception that he was a self-centered player who ran hard only when it suited him.

But five days into his first coaching job, Henderson seems a natural.

"When he talks, I listen and then I listen some more," said Reyes, the Mets' 22-year-old shortstop who led the National League with 60 stolen bases last season.

"He tells me stuff that I didn't know," Reyes said. "And he's so funny. He explains things and makes everybody laugh."

Before games, Henderson roams around the batting cage giving tips to players. He also meets with them in groups in the outfield. He recently told Reyes to stop trying to outrun the ball when stealing second base and start looking for hints in a pitcher's motion that reveal whether he will throw toward home plate. He also told Lastings Milledge, another rising star in the Mets' constellation, that a relaxed and fluid motion toward second base is the key to an explosive jump.

Henderson seems aware that his playing career, in all likelihood, is over. But with each nugget of advice that he passes along, he seems to realize that a new career as a full-time coach, and perhaps one day as a manager, becomes more intriguing.

"This is a first for me, getting the feet wet," Henderson said from the Mets' dugout, a pink wad of chewing gum wedged in his mouth. "I'm seeing if this is something I enjoy and want to do more. The organization has given me a great opportunity to see how I feel about it. And so far, it's been great."

Even the veterans are beginning to jockey for time with Henderson. Carlos Beltran has scheduled a one-on-one session for next week, and Julio Franco, who is four months older than Henderson, is itching to do the same.

But what could Henderson possibly teach Franco, who is preparing for his 29th professional season?

"A lot," Franco said. "It's not about age, it's about knowledge. He's the best base stealer ever. I want to learn those things. Every year I steal five, six, seven bases. But if I can learn some points, yes. I want to be a manager so I can help others. And I think he's the best kind of brain to pick."

The Mets' spring training complex is teeming with young players. But Reyes is the one student the team most wants to see around Henderson. Last season, Reyes played in 161 games but walked only 27 times. He is an exceptional base stealer, but he had a paltry .300 on-base percentage.

Henderson had a .401 on-base percentage during his career in the majors. And in the few days that he has been at camp, he has studied Reyes's approach at the plate from behind dark sunglasses, unearthing a flaw.

"As a leadoff hitter, he puts the bat on the ball well and he makes great contact, but he's not patient," Henderson said. "He doesn't know how to take two strikes and hit. See, that's how I always played. I'd give you two strikes and hit. I'm not afraid. I think that's what he's got to feel."

Henderson then turned his attention to the entire league and spoke with the critical voice of a law-school professor.

"I think the guys aren't challenging the catchers as much today and putting pressure on teams and filling up the basepaths," he said. "It's so much into guys hitting home runs. You're getting all these power home runs, and it's eliminating the little guys from doing the running because they don't want to take the power out of the game."

This type of honesty and insight is why the Mets brought Henderson to camp.

"And it's why I'll be back for a few weeks in June, too," Henderson said. "Doing the same things. Meeting with the guys. Telling them what I see. Doing a whole lot of talking."

INSIDE PITCH

Edgy DC
Mar 26 2006 09:58 PM

]"And it's why I'll be back for a few weeks in June, too."

Wow.

Bret Sabermetric
Mar 27 2006 04:57 AM

]he has studied Reyes's approach at the plate from behind dark sunglasses, unearthing a flaw.

"As a leadoff hitter, he puts the bat on the ball well and he makes great contact, but he's not patient," Henderson said



Stop the presses! Why hasn't anyone noticed this before?

TheOldMole
Mar 27 2006 04:59 AM

I'm less concerned about what Rickey says to the press than what he says to Jose. I'm down as being in the minority who believes that Rickey can be a good coach.

Edgy DC
Mar 29 2006 06:30 AM

Rickey watch.