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Edgy MD Jul 21 2015 07:58 PM

Yoenis Cespedes does everything but walk, but he really doesn't walk, to judge from recent samples. (Past seasons reflect better, at least in that department.) And the Mets are known to prize a good eye. (Not saying he does everything great, but he does everything.) But wait, there's more! Yoenis is a free agent at the end of the season. But that's not all! Cespedes leads the league in outfield assists that don't involve a relay, which I guess should be distinctly counted, and I suppose they are now, by somebody. Before you decide, know that he owns one of these: [fimg=550]http://blog.sfgate.com/athletics/files/2014/06/173516223.jpg[/fimg] And you look at the background, from which you can guess where he earned that belt, and you can safely conclude... absolutely nothing, but... . Now how much would you pay?

Zvon Jul 21 2015 08:18 PM Re: Cespedes

For that belt? I dunno, it looks kinda pricey.

Frayed Knot Jul 21 2015 08:31 PM Re: Cespedes

Detroit needs pitching (who doesn't?) but there's only so much they could expect from a 1/3 year rental. Fulmer? Montero? Mejia? Two of those three? One of them plus one of something lesser? Rumor has it (and Francesa has pronounced it so) that "The Big Four" (deG, Hovvey, Syndy, & Matz) plus Conforto are 'untouchable'. Maybe Wheeler isn't but he's off the market right now for other reasons. Would you do Nimmo? The at-times rough start for Plawecki certainly isn't going to make him unattractive to teams. If I knew Wright was actually coming back this year I'd be more gutsy to make a short-term move like this. But, w/o Davey, our offensive woes aren't going to be even partly solved by the addition of one good (though hardly great) bat.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2015 09:10 PM Re: Cespedes

You don't have to solve the offensive woes (tall order under any circumstances), but rather, you only have to make a team better. I mean, you may consider their place in the standings an illusion without Wright, but they got there mostly without him. The other option distinct from dealing future cards remains to deal off Niese (one of the hottest pitchers in the league right now) or Colon (to a more desperate team) in a contender-to-contender trade.

Ashie62 Jul 21 2015 10:07 PM Re: Cespedes

I pitched for Cespedes in the preseason and the vibe was largely negative. What has changed?

TransMonk Jul 21 2015 10:31 PM Re: Cespedes

Frayed Knot wrote: But, w/o Davey, our offensive woes aren't going to be even partly solved by the addition of one good (though hardly great) bat. This. Cespedes doesn't excite me on his own. He would arguably become the best Mets batter immediately upon his insertion into the lineup. Unfortunately, that speaks more to how horrible the Mets' offense has been on the whole rather than how much value Cespedes might provide in the middle of the horror.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2015 10:40 PM Re: Cespedes

Ashie62 wrote: I pitched for Cespedes in the preseason and the vibe was largely negative. What has changed? I don't know. The Mets are shopping and he's reportedly available.

Edgy MD Jul 21 2015 10:43 PM Re: Cespedes

TransMonk wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: But, w/o Davey, our offensive woes aren't going to be even partly solved by the addition of one good (though hardly great) bat. This. Cespedes doesn't excite me on his own. He would arguably become the best Mets batter immediately upon his insertion into the lineup. Unfortunately, that speaks more to how horrible the Mets' offense has been on the whole rather than how much value Cespedes might provide in the middle of the horror. Yeah, but again, the idea is not to excite you on his own (he doesn't excite me at all) but to suss out what he's worth and whether that's a price the team would or should pay. I dunno. But living at the corner of "Just Do Something" and "Why Bother?" seems unsustainable.

Nymr83 Jul 23 2015 01:54 PM Re: Cespedes

his OBPs are gag-worthy, sign me up for Zobrist instead. He doesnt play CF, doesnt play the infield, and is a huge downgrade from Granderson. Are we giving up on Cuddyer already? because thats the only spot he could fill and i dont think he's an upgrade even there if Cuddyer is at all healthy. I would pass on trading anything of much value for him as i cant see where he reasonably fits on the team.

Ceetar Jul 23 2015 02:05 PM Re: Cespedes

Nymr83 wrote: his OBPs are gag-worthy, sign me up for Zobrist instead. He doesnt play CF, doesnt play the infield, and is a huge downgrade from Granderson. Are we giving up on Cuddyer already? because thats the only spot he could fill and i dont think he's an upgrade even there if Cuddyer is at all healthy. I would pass on trading anything of much value for him as i cant see where he reasonably fits on the team. the Cuddyer unhealthy thing is the only reason the Mets would trade for a strict outfielder. Of course, Cuddyer could be non-DLd and still be hurt and it's easy to see how that's been the case for months. Of course, Maybe this is something you do anyway if the price is right. Worst that happens is you lose Mayberry and Cuddyer and Cespedes (And rotate in some rest for Granderson) would have to fight for time. Mets have 5 more DH games too. But yeah, I'd prefer Zobrist. he's good, and versatile. I'd even take Aramis Ramirez and see if you can get some change of scenery spark out of him. He's hitting better than Flores regardless.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 23 2015 02:06 PM Re: Cespedes

I'm not a Cespedes fan, although I could see him being the kind of guy who'd get traded and subsequently get insanely hot. But I'm with nymr, not sure he's what we really want.

Frayed Knot Jul 23 2015 02:28 PM Re: Cespedes

Nymr83 wrote: his OBPs are gag-worthy, Actually they're not - at least not this season anyway where his .319 OBP clocks in at a few ticks above league average. What folks need to realize is that this isn't turn of the century baseball anymore when .340-ish OBPs were the norm. That said, he's at best a short-term replacement for what we hoped Cuddyer would be. NY Post is talking about either Will Venable or Geraldo Parra with Zobrist being tagged as "a long shot". I could see him being the kind of guy who'd get traded and subsequently get insanely hot. You definitely see him as the streaky type, although Boston was hoping for one of those hot streaks when they traded for him last year but didn't get it and had no interest in hanging onto him for this season.

Nymr83 Jul 23 2015 03:02 PM Re: Cespedes

Actually they're not - at least not this season anyway where his .319 OBP clocks in at a few ticks above league average. What folks need to realize is that this isn't turn of the century baseball anymore when .340-ish OBPs were the norm. it is true that the league OBP is down, but 1) i think he'll finish under his current number 2) its higher for starting outfielders (.325 or so for outfielders)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 23 2015 05:17 PM Re: Cespedes

Honestly, he's like rich-man-with-money-to-blow's Marlon Byrd, isn't he?

Edgy MD Jul 31 2015 06:11 PM Re: Cespedes

This guy has the most helium now, doesn't he? Can fake it in center, too. Teams trying to make a mad run down the stretch often finding themselves sacrificing up-the-middle defense for bats.

seawolf17 Jul 31 2015 06:14 PM Re: Cespedes

I don't even care any more. Cespedes for Harvey, Niese, Matz, and the desiccated corpse of Mets' fans hopes and dreams.

Edgy MD Jul 31 2015 06:19 PM Re: Cespedes

Whoah. Hey, man, sorry I asked.

seawolf17 Jul 31 2015 06:48 PM Re: Cespedes

I'm just tired of staring at my Tweetdeck.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 31 2015 07:11 PM Re: Cespedes

My head hurts from Tweets. And Cespedes can fake center like Granderson can fake center, only with poorer instincts/more of an arm.

d'Kong76 Jul 31 2015 07:50 PM Re: Cespedes

Rival exec tell MLB TV that he/she thinks Mets win Cespedes.

Edgy MD Jul 31 2015 07:51 PM Re: Cespedes

ESPN just announced Cespedes to the Metspedes.

d'Kong76 Jul 31 2015 07:56 PM Re: Cespedes

I ain't biting until Coach Cuddy tweets his approval of this move.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2015 07:58 PM Re: Cespedes

for 2 minor leaguers

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2015 08:01 PM Re: Cespedes

Fulmer and Cessa

Edgy MD Jul 31 2015 08:01 PM Re: Cespedes

I just read a reliable source (@SomeGuyonTwitter) saying Cessa and Fulmer.

Edgy MD Jul 31 2015 08:02 PM Re: Cespedes

Man, the B-Mets have been gutted over and over this month.

d'Kong76 Jul 31 2015 08:02 PM Re: Cespedes

Yoenis Cespedes, Professional Hitter

themetfairy Jul 31 2015 08:03 PM Re: Cespedes

Welcome Yoenis!

Ceetar Jul 31 2015 08:08 PM Re: Cespedes

Edgy MD wrote: Man, the B-Mets have been gutted over and over this month. lost Nimmo too, for different reasons.

TransMonk Jul 31 2015 08:13 PM Re: Cespedes

I like this deal better than the Gomez non-deal.

Edgy MD Jul 31 2015 08:14 PM Re: Cespedes

The 2016 rotation lives another day..

willpie Jul 31 2015 08:16 PM Re: Cespedes

TransMonk wrote: I like this deal better than the Gomez non-deal. I'll drink to that.

metsmarathon Jul 31 2015 08:18 PM Re: Cespedes

I heart sandy alderson

Centerfield Jul 31 2015 08:18 PM Re: Cespedes

Can he be here by gametime?

d'Kong76 Jul 31 2015 08:20 PM Re: Cespedes

Centerfield wrote: Can he be here by gametime? Wilpon's got him on a Greyhound leaving a little later. Should be available Sunday.

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2015 08:23 PM Re: Cespedes

So it's Cespedes for the rest-a-des ... year. After that, even though just in his 4th ML season, he can NOT be offered arbitration by his current team nor can the team make a qualifying offer to him (plus the mid-season trade took care of that anyway) so this is a 60 game trial run. Can sign him to a FA contract this winter of course but so can everyone else. This deal also means he'll be on his 4th team in the previous 366 days (assuming he suits up by tomorrow). A year ago today he was traded from Oakland to Boston who took an instant dislike to him and dealt him to Detroit in the off-season. But for right now he hits, he fields, he throws, he runs a bit but rarely walks and our OF and lineup just got a bit better. Now let's get Wright, Cuddyer, Matz & Blevins back and take the fuckin' division.

Ashie62 Jul 31 2015 10:10 PM Re: Cespedes

One helluva addition. Didn't give up too much for him as I haven't seen Fulmer or Cessa on any industry hot sheets. Cespedes is likely a rental but I will dare to dream.

Zvon Jul 31 2015 11:04 PM Re: Cespedes

d'Kong76 wrote: Centerfield wrote: Can he be here by gametime? Wilpon's got him on a Greyhound leaving a little later. Should be available Sunday. I have told this joke to at least a dozen people.

Chad Ochoseis Jul 31 2015 11:56 PM Re: Cespedes

Frayed Knot wrote: After that, even though just in his 4th ML season, he can NOT be offered arbitration by his current team nor can the team make a qualifying offer to him (plus the mid-season trade took care of that anyway) so this is a 60 game trial run. Can sign him to a FA contract this winter of course but so can everyone else. But http://www.blessyouboys.com/2015/7/31/9 ... ets-tigers says The team that releases Cespedes is not eligible to sign him until May 15, 2016, according to FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal. Given Cespedes' desire to test the free agent market, this makes it unlikely that the Mets will be able to re-sign him after the season. So, am I reading this correctly? If Cespedes hits 30 home runs over the remainder of the season and both Wilpons hit the lottery, we still can't offer him $500 million during the off-season to make him a Met until the zombie apocalypse, because he can't re-sign with us until about the 35th game of 2016? Meaning that it's nearly a foregone conclusion that Cespedes will not be a Met next year?

Edgy MD Aug 01 2015 12:04 AM Re: Cespedes

So two players were rumored to be dealt. One openly wept in public at the thought of it, and the other personally called the GM to ask not to be included in any deals. Maybe it's not the worst organization to be a part of after all.

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2015 12:18 AM Re: Cespedes

Chad Ochoseis wrote: After that, even though just in his 4th ML season, he can NOT be offered arbitration by his current team nor can the team make a qualifying offer to him (plus the mid-season trade took care of that anyway) so this is a 60 game trial run. Can sign him to a FA contract this winter of course but so can everyone else. But http://www.blessyouboys.com/2015/7/31/9 ... ets-tigers says The team that releases Cespedes is not eligible to sign him until May 15, 2016, according to FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal. Given Cespedes' desire to test the free agent market, this makes it unlikely that the Mets will be able to re-sign him after the season. So, am I reading this correctly? If Cespedes hits 30 home runs over the remainder of the season and both Wilpons hit the lottery, we still can't offer him $500 million during the off-season to make him a Met until the zombie apocalypse, because he can't re-sign with us until about the 35th game of 2016? Meaning that it's nearly a foregone conclusion that Cespedes will not be a Met next year? I certainly didn't know that. Wondering now if that's something which is unique to Cespedes's contract or if there was some recent change where non-tendering a player (which is essentially what the Mets would be doing to Cespedes even though forced to do it) means you're out of the FA game for that guy until six weeks into the following season in what I can only assume is an attempt to prevent clubs from trying to pull an off-season end-run around the 20% cut rule. Probably the latter cuz I can't figure out why it would be specific to Cespedes.

MFS62 Aug 01 2015 01:16 AM Re: Cespedes

Nymr83 wrote: Actually they're not - at least not this season anyway where his .319 OBP clocks in at a few ticks above league average. What folks need to realize is that this isn't turn of the century baseball anymore when .340-ish OBPs were the norm. it is true that the league OBP is down, but 1) i think he'll finish under his current number 2) its higher for starting outfielders (.325 or so for outfielders) And, given the team's needs for someone who actually can drive in runs in the middle of the lineup, I think they need a hitter who trots rather than walks. Later

seawolf17 Aug 01 2015 01:23 AM Re: Cespedes

He has to replace Campbell on the roster, no?

Edgy MD Aug 01 2015 01:25 AM Re: Cespedes

I think the other two options are Nobody and Unless Somebody Gets Hurt.

Ceetar Aug 01 2015 02:42 AM Re: Cespedes

I don't see anything on Cots about the may 15th rule, that sounds like an old rule. But in reality, if the Mets do want to re-sign him and Cespedes is game, they can just void the existing contract and sign a new one, that's generally how these things work right? If there really is a May 15th rule tied to releasing a player they'd have to do this prior to the end of the season though to prevent that from kicking in.

Edgy MD Aug 01 2015 03:45 AM Re: Cespedes

Cespedes brings some Josh Satin-like eyebrow drama with him.

Zvon Aug 01 2015 03:47 AM Re: Cespedes

Edgy MD wrote: Cespedes brings some Josh Satin-like eyebrow drama with him. Do you think that's a unibrow and he shaves?

metirish Aug 01 2015 03:52 AM Re: Cespedes

Could not be happier with this trade , as noted above I like it better than the gomez non trade. I would have bet anything that Wheeler would have been in this deal , their GM loves Fulmer and we have lost a lot of minor league pitchers this week but you need to give them up to get guys like this......

Nymr83 Aug 01 2015 05:43 AM Re: Cespedes

Shocked they gave Fullmer up for 2 months of anyone, I guess the pressure to make it look like they care finally won out

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2015 12:51 PM Re: Cespedes

An assessment of Fulmer & Cessa by prospect guru John Sickels: Michael Fulmer, RHP: The Mets drafted Fulmer in the supplemental first round* in 2011 from high school in Edmond, Oklahoma. He has been generally effective in the minor leagues when healthy and has been excellent so far in 2015, posting a 1.88 ERA in 86 innings over 15 starts for Binghamton in the Double-A Eastern League, with an 83/23 K/BB and just 70 hits allowed. This is a considerable improvement over his 3.97 ERA, 86/31 and 112 hits in 95 innings last year in High-A. Fulmer is listed at 6-3, 200, age 22. He has been dogged by nagging injuries for much of his career, particularly knee problems that limited him to 46 innings in 2013. There is little doubt about the stuff: Fulmer can hit 95 with the fastball, both his curveball and slider can be above-average, and his change-up is an adequate fourth option. His command has steadily improved. Some scouts view Fulmer as a future reliever for durability concerns but he has the stuff to be a starter and it increasingly looks like he has the command as well. He's posted an 18/1 K/BB in his last two starts and looks ready for a Triple-A trial. A healthy Fulmer looks like a potentially strong number three starter. Luis Cessa, RHP: Born in Mexico, Cessa was signed in 2008, originally as a third baseman. He couldn't hit however so he converted to pitching in 2010 with good results, moving slowly but steadily up the Mets farm ladder. He's been very effective this year in Double-A (2.56, 61/17 K/BB in 77 innings) but has found the going more difficult in the unforgiving environment of Las Vegas and the Pacific Coast League (8.51 ERA, with a nice 24/4 K/BB but 40 hits in 24 innings). Cessa is listed at 6-3, 190, age 23. He can hit 96 in short stretches but more commonly works at 90-92. He throws strikes but reports on his secondary pitches vary depending on the source: some reliable observers say he has a very good change-up but needs to enhance his breaking ball, while other also-reliable observers say his breaking stuff is solid enough but his change-up needs work. I guess you can say he's inconsistent with the secondary pitches. Despite his rough early outings in Triple-A, Cessa has major league arm strength and throws strikes. If he can round out his full arsenal he can be a back-end starter or a solid bullpen option. * the Pedro Feliciano signing with the Yanx pick

Edgy MD Aug 01 2015 01:45 PM Re: Cespedes

Nymr83 wrote: Shocked they gave Fullmer up for 2 months of anyone, I guess the pressure to make it look like they care finally won out Maybe they don't want to look like they care, so much as they want to win. No money came with Cespedes either.

Vic Sage Aug 01 2015 02:26 PM Re: Cespedes

i'll be good with this if it works and pissed if it doesn't (especially if Fulmer or Cessa eventually becomes something), just like everybody else here.

TransMonk Aug 04 2015 10:32 PM Re: Cespedes

Adam Rubin quoting Yoenis Cespedes wrote: "I don't know what the front office is thinking about. But with what I see so far, I would love for everything to work out and stay as a Met for a long, long time, because I like the atmosphere." Cespedes getting in on the love. Hard to see the front office reeling him in long-term, though.

RealityChuck Aug 05 2015 02:28 AM Re: Cespedes

Two things have to happen for there to be a chance: 1. The team must be willing to commit the money -- at least as much as they're paying Wright, and probably more. 2. Cespedes must be willing to waive a portion of that clause that makes him a free agent five days after the WS. He can agree to make it 30 days so they can negotiate. #1 is the big hurdle. The team has $11 million coming off the books if Colon doesn't come back (I doubt they'll ask him), and another $8 million if they don't bring back Murphy. There's also the $2 million they saved on Mejia's salary. So they should be able to afford one year, but things get sticky after that.

Edgy MD Aug 05 2015 02:30 AM Re: Cespedes

They'll also have untold fortunes in the form of post-season revenue. But it's probably a problem for another day.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 05 2015 02:40 AM Re: Cespedes

The only reason these rules apply to Cespedes is to allow him to be a free agent and get the best offer he can. He's not going to limit himself to only one suitor no matter how much he says he likes it. Not that all that won't prevent this turning into a Lousy Cheapass Wilpons story.

Frayed Knot Aug 05 2015 02:45 AM Re: Cespedes

Getting a long way ahead of ourselves here, but I don't see Cespedes getting offered a Wright-sized contract and certainly not for numbers north of that. - he'll turn 30 this October, already a year older than Wright was at the time of his extension - he won't have the good will built up with a team (no matter who he's talking to) the way Wright did w/the Mets. In his 4th season in MLB he's already on his 4th team. Not his fault necessarily, but Boston & Detroit did tire of him pretty quickly. - he's simply not as good as David at the same time. It's a smaller sample size for sure, but we're talking about career stats where his BA is 30 points lower than Wright's, an OBA that's dow 60, and a slugging that's 20 points less. I don't see him getting the length or total dollars of a Wright deal. And if he does I don't think I want to be the one paying it.

Zvon Aug 05 2015 02:49 AM Re: Cespedes

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Not that all that won't prevent this turning into a Lousy Cheapass Wilpons story. Or go a long way in possibly winning back the fan base. I say possibly because I won't know how I'll feel until if & when they sign him. I'm too busy preparing myself for the disappointment when they don't.

Edgy MD Aug 05 2015 01:20 PM Re: Cespedes

I don't imagine I'll be disappointed either way.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 05 2015 01:28 PM Re: Cespedes

100 cranebucks says he won't sign here

Centerfield Aug 05 2015 02:14 PM Re: Cespedes

Cespedes is not going to be a Met after this year. I don't see any way this is possible. Any player going into free agency at the age of 30 has to test the open market. This is his one chance to set himself up financially. He would be foolish not to take that opportunity. Exceptions are made, usually in two scenarios. (1) The player has a history with a club, and strongly prefers to stay, so he takes a reasonable contract offered by the team. I don't see this happening here. (2) The Mets make a "blow him out of the water" type offer. I don't see this happening either. And though I hate the Wilpons, I'm not sure this type of offer should be made. Cespedes, although he is one of the 2 best hitters in this lineup, is no sure thing, and is a step down from the first tier superstars. His career OPS is .789. His career high in HR is 26. He doesn't hit for a great average, and he doesn't walk a lot. I am all for the Wilpons blowing. But if they have limited blows, I'm not sure Cespedes is blow-worthy.

Edgy MD Aug 05 2015 02:23 PM Re: Cespedes

It would also lock them in — plan-wise, anyhow — with two more years of faking it in centerfield.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 05 2015 02:27 PM Re: Cespedes

I like Cespedes, and he'll help a bit. But, all told, considering fit-to-need, overall onfield value, and controllability... cost inclusive... I would have preferred the Gomez trade.

Edgy MD Aug 05 2015 02:29 PM Re: Cespedes

Yeah, well, do you prefer Cessa and Fulmer to Flores and Wheeler? Keep in mind, your answer may make me cry.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 05 2015 02:37 PM Re: Cespedes

Heroics and humanity aside... I kinda don't love Flores as a player, and I've always thought Wheeler (for command reasons) to be the least steadfast/most limited, ceiling-wise of our "big" arms. I see middling-AJ Burnett as his upper limit, honestly, so if someone will buy high on him when he's recovering from surgery...

Frayed Knot Aug 05 2015 02:42 PM Re: Cespedes

Centerfield wrote: Any player going into free agency at the age of 30 has to test the open market. This is his one chance to set himself up financially. He would be foolish not to take that opportunity. This part, coupled with that no signing until May rule, is what seals the deal in this case. Cespedes has to either decide that he so loves the Mets (and vice-versa) that the two lovers throw caution to the wind and hit on a mutually agreed-upon lengthy deal prior to the end of the WS, or he has to blow off the first month of next season to re-sign here after a winter of spurring all other offers. Neither scenario is logical.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 05 2015 02:46 PM Re: Cespedes

I probably would have preferred keeping Fulmer to Wheeler were it possible but understand trading for a home run hitter on July 31 comes at a cost. Corey Mazzoni by the way was up only for a cup of bitter joe with SD earlier this year (20.25 ERA!) but is having a good year as a PCL reliever. Alex Torres, not so much.

Vic Sage Aug 05 2015 02:51 PM Re: Cespedes

This: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I like Cespedes, and he'll help a bit. But, all told, considering fit-to-need, overall onfield value, and controllability... cost inclusive... I would have preferred the Gomez trade. And this: Heroics and humanity aside... I kinda don't love Flores as a player, and I've always thought Wheeler (for command reasons) to be the least steadfast/most limited, ceiling-wise of our "big" arms. I see middling-AJ Burnett as his upper limit, honestly, so if someone will buy high on him when he's recovering from surgery... That being said, this is about Cespedes. No, he won't sign here. He has to test the market and, once he does, we can't re-sign him until May or something, and by then he'll already be signed somewhere. In the meantime, the move has changed the spirit of the team and the mood of the fans, not to mention our offensive production. He's also a better base runner and fielder than i thought. he does, however, suffer from Gandalf Syndrome ("thou shalt not pass!"), and swings at a lot of bad balls. But unlike Vlad Guerrero, he can't hit them very well.

Edgy MD Aug 05 2015 03:26 PM Re: Cespedes

It's kind of silly that this pat story ("Happy to be here; like what I see!") even generating so much internetage. What do you expect him to say? "I'm enjoying dating your daughter for now, Sir. She's all well and good and we're having a good time. But when I get to college, opportunities are gonna totally open up for me, and I'd be a fool not to check out what those options are. Oh, you're daughter wouldn't be totally out of the picture, but she'd have to show me what she's offering before I leave, and frankly, she'd have to blow me away. OW! OW-OW-OW! What did I say?!!"

Edgy MD Aug 06 2015 03:03 PM Re: Cespedes

"Did Your Team Blow It at the Trade Deadline?" Neil Paine and Nate Silver at fivethirtyeight.com look closely at the math behind when a team should muscle up at the deadline, when they should sell, ultimately concluding. [list=1][*]A team should virtually never stand pat.[/*:m] [*]The Mets were a borderline better-to-sell-than-buy team.[/*:m] [*]The Mets were dithery.[/*:m] [*]The Mets, once deciding to buy, should have gone further, maybe buying a star second baseman as well.[/*:m][/list:o] Now in fairness, the authors were looking at the math, more than the particulars of any team, but they are alleged baseball fans, so they shouldn't fear calculating in situational nuances, either by working them into the math, or arbitrarily noting exceptional situations. Because I kind of disagree on all parts. With regard to standing pat, what if what you have a mediocre team is primarily (or entirely!) populated by talented pre-free agency or pre-arbitration players? You may not think it's your year, and you may not want to flip some of your talent on the small chance that it can make it your year, but you may still want to keep that unit together for future seasons. Think of the 1983 Mets. And even then, you may see the Rusty Staubs that you may be able to sell of as guys you want to keep around to help shepherd your future juggernaut into maturity. With regard to borderline teams, consideration has to be given to whether a team can reasonably expect to get better. Younger teams might be expected to get better in the second half compared to older teams. Teams with high-profile players returning from injury might be expected to get better as compared to teams that have been relatively healthy. The Mets were not dithery. By all reports, even as they walked away from the Brewers, they were aggressively pursuing other deals. They walked away from Milwaukee not because their faith flagged with regard to buying, but because it flagged with regard to buying Carlos Gomez. With regard to the Mets buying a star second baseman, didn't they kind of do that by buying two halves of one in Kelly Johnson and Juan Uribe? Anyhow, I think the math is an important measure, though I'm sure many teams use a similar formula and likely re-calculate from day to day throughout July. And then make a gut call anyway.

metirish Aug 06 2015 03:10 PM Re: Cespedes

“Doyle Number.” Very interesting article tho

Benjamin Grimm Sep 15 2015 08:25 PM Re: Cespedes

John Cougar Lunchbucket (on July 23) wrote: I'm not a Cespedes fan, although I could see him being the kind of guy who'd get traded and subsequently get insanely hot. But I'm with nymr, not sure he's what we really want. I was out of the country for most of this thread and was curious to see what the initial reaction to the Cespedes deal was. It's funny now, with hindsight, to read the first page of this thread. I just had to quote John Cougar Lunchbucket's post. That first sentence is especially prescient, but I think Cespedes has surpassed anyone's expectation of how insane "insanely hot" could be.

Edgy MD Sep 15 2015 08:43 PM Re: Cespedes

The other amazing thing to read back there is that Fulmer was picked with the bonus pick the Mets got for the Yanks signing Pedro Feliciano. Perpetual P just keeps giving.

Farmer Ted Sep 15 2015 11:49 PM Re: Cespedes

I think the Mets make a big play to sign the guy. Captain America restructures his deal and opens the way for a cool $20 million to be spent on Cuban cigars.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 16 2015 01:30 AM Re: Cespedes

Benjamin Grimm wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket (on July 23) wrote: I'm not a Cespedes fan, although I could see him being the kind of guy who'd get traded and subsequently get insanely hot. But I'm with nymr, not sure he's what we really want. I was out of the country for most of this thread and was curious to see what the initial reaction to the Cespedes deal was. It's funny now, with hindsight, to read the first page of this thread. I just had to quote John Cougar Lunchbucket's post. That first sentence is especially prescient, but I think Cespedes has surpassed anyone's expectation of how insane "insanely hot" could be. Presience is my other middle name. And Cespedes abilities in CF have largely erased my initial reticence. Reticence is my other other middle name.

Vic Sage Sep 16 2015 02:57 PM Re: Cespedes

Now that Cespedes has waived his "5-day negotiating window" contract clause, the Mets are on equal footing to compete with other bidders for Yo-Anus's services. All they'll have to do is grossly overpay a 30-year old (?) free swinging OFer based on his 2 months of insane production in NY (projecting it over a full season, he's hitting at a1.000+OPS/.300/50hr/120rbi pace), rather than based on the 2200 very-good-but-not-quite-great major league plate appearances he produced over the 4 years prior to the trade (ages 26-29). So i'm sort of on the fence about that. But as for now... Go, Yo-Anus, Go!

Benjamin Grimm Sep 16 2015 03:04 PM Re: Cespedes

Yeah, I'm not sure what to think either. It all depends on the state of the Mets finances. How much can they afford to gamble? I have no idea. I'd like to think that they've reached a point where they can take on more risk than they have in previous years, but only Howard Megdal knows for sure.

Edgy MD Sep 16 2015 03:12 PM Re: Cespedes

Well, wherever they are now, they will have reached a further point by the end of the playoffs. How much further, again, only Megdal knows right now. The advantage of Cespedes is that he doesn't have to live at this rate. (Indeed, it seems impossible that he could). If he just plays at his prior career norms, it'll go a long way toward taking the heat off of the coming generation of contributors: d'Arnaud/Flores/Lagares/Herrera/Conforto/Nimmo/Cecchini, etc. If he joins Wright and Granderson (and maybe Duda and Cuddy) in doing some of that during the first half his contract, they'll be taking the heat off of him by the second half. Anyhow, that's a possible argument for being a little bolder.

TransMonk Sep 16 2015 03:20 PM Re: Cespedes

There is a major chance that Cespedes gets overpaid based on his Aug/Sep/Oct of '15. If that's the case, I don't want the Mets to be the ones overpaying. Any offer the Mets make should be based on the whole of his career and not just his time in New York (obviously). I think the Mets are five times more likely to sign Cespedes long term now that he has dropped his small window negotiation clause, but that's only because I thought there would be a less than 1% chance of them re-signing them before and only about a 5% chance now.

seawolf17 Sep 16 2015 03:27 PM Re: Cespedes

TransMonk wrote: There is a major chance that Cespedes gets overpaid based on his Aug/Sep/Oct of '15. If that's the case, I don't want the Mets to be the ones overpaying. Any offer the Mets make should be based on the whole of his career and not just his time in New York (obviously). I think the Mets are five times more likely to sign Cespedes long term now that he has dropped his small window negotiation clause, but that's only because I thought there would be a less than 1% chance of them re-signing them before and only about a 5% chance now. I agree. I think there are too many other options that may not be as sexy on September 16 (Heyward, Upton) that may wind up being better fits in the long run.

Farmer Ted Sep 16 2015 03:29 PM Re: Cespedes

Did the Mets have to pay to open that 5-day window. That kinda shit ain't free.

Ceetar Sep 16 2015 03:31 PM Re: Cespedes

Farmer Ted wrote: Did the Mets have to pay to open that 5-day window. That kinda shit ain't free. Nah, it was more a mutually agreed upon thing, and was mostly a MLB rule exemption. Probably helped knowing someone on the rules committee. OFFICIAL PLAYING RULES COMMITTEE Sandy Alderson, Chair Jerry Dipoto Terry Ryan Chris Antonetti Brian Gorman John Schuerholz Sam Bernabe John Mozeliak Joe Torre and as long as we're not relying on small sample size recency results, let's not forget we don't have a solid answer for 2B or SS but three+ outfielders under contract. (Although a variety of different reasonable gambles for 2B at least. Dilson, etc)

Benjamin Grimm Sep 16 2015 03:33 PM Re: Cespedes

If he's going to be in the $30 million per year range, then the Mets should back off. But if he's going to be closer to the $20 million range, then I'd hope they roll the dice. Six years, $120 million is risky, but not crazy risky. If they can get him for that, and Howard Megdal approves, I'd like to see them do it.

Lefty Specialist Sep 16 2015 04:47 PM Re: Cespedes

Someone's going to be dumb enough to give him an 8-year/$240 million contract. I'm comfortable knowing that team won't be the Mets. Power is down in the majors and Cespedes is hitting like McGwire and Sosa in their chemical prime. The man's going to get paid, and handsomely. 6/$120 is a pipe dream.

RealityChuck Sep 16 2015 05:12 PM Re: Cespedes

Ceetar wrote: Farmer Ted wrote: Did the Mets have to pay to open that 5-day window. That kinda shit ain't free. Nah, it was more a mutually agreed upon thing, and was mostly a MLB rule exemption. Probably helped knowing someone on the rules committee. It's no-brainer. Cespedes gives up nothing tangible and gets another team bidding. Win for him. The interesting point is that he was willing to do it. It means that he is not unhappy playing with the Mets. If he disliked the situation, he wouldn't have waived the clause.

Ceetar Sep 16 2015 05:27 PM Re: Cespedes

Cespedes gives up the possibility of the Mets (though it was intended to be the As) giving him a bigger contract than he'd get given the fullness of time. The Mets wouldn't have had time to wait him out, or sign other guys to fill his role, or price those other guys. They'd be bidding against his theoretical value and wouldn't be able to say "fine, find something comparable and we'll match it"

Farmer Ted Sep 18 2015 01:26 PM Re: Cespedes

I think Boswell is on the Boras payroll. Oh, the timing. $500 fucking million. By Thomas Boswell Columnist September 17 at 8:39 PM  What does Bryce Harper’s amazing season, in which he has duplicated the production of Mickey Mantle in his prime, mean when we step back and look at this gorgeous wave, with the Washington Nationals slugger locked in its curl for months, as it finally comes roaring toward shore? His 2015 explosion has at least three major implications. First, he has, for at least one season, topped Mike Trout as the best player in the majors. Harper’s blown the ceiling off his ceiling. “ ‘The sky’s the limit’ is an understatement,” Gio Gonzalez said after Harper’s 40th homer Wednesday. “I think it’s more than that.” Second, with an adamant endorsement this week of Matt Williams, his embattled manager, Harper may well have made it difficult, if not impossible for the Nats to make any decision except to retain Williams. Harper has linked his breakout season directly to Wiliams’s theories and his in-game at-bat-to-at-bat coaching. Third, Harper has rocketed so high that, before he can duplicate his 2015 show in 2016 and certify a market value of, perhaps, $500 million, the Lerners need to decide whether they should approach him about a lifetime contract, like Miami did when it signed Giancarlo Stanton for $325 million over 13 years. Think $400 million — or 49 percent of Tysons Corner. Let’s take them in order. Most immediate, we have only 16 more games to watch a player performing at a level that has rarely been surpassed by an honest player except Babe Ruth and Ted Williams. We’re all told that the future is not given. So we can’t know whether Harper will ever again be MLB’s best player. But he is this season. Will he win the NL’s MVP award? That is mere voting, with agendas, biases and definitions of “value.” His season is raw, blunt fact. Maybe he tapers off. But in other Septembers, he has sprinted to the wire. Harper has had seven games when he has drawn either three or four walks. Boring? Only if you aren’t watching his face. He seems like a human rifle, sighting itself in, honing on the target, narrowing the range of vision and becoming a better weapon. After his walkathons, he’s gone crazy the next day — all seven times — hitting .560 and slugging 1.160. Everything about Harper this season is different, better, more mature and controlled, sometimes so excellent that it seems nearly impossible to maintain. Since his “0-4-0-1” line of Sept. 3, Harper has hit nine homers in 13 games and leads the NL in homers (40) and batting average (.340). No one has led the league in those two categories since 1939. “Bryce is the best player in the NL for sure,” Max Scherzer said. “He keeps rising to the challenge of getting even better than he is now.” To compare players between eras and adjust for how much they dominated their peers, you can use “OPS+” — on-base-plus-slugging percentage, adjusted for era and home park. League norm is set at 100 for each year. A 120 OPS+ means you’re 20 percent above the league norm. A career mark over 145 probably books you in Cooperstown. The best career mark is Babe Ruth’s 206. Here are some players who never reached that “200” level in any season: Willie Mays, Trout, Hank Aaron, Miguel Cabrera, Joe DiMaggio, Ken Griffey Jr., Albert Pujols, Frank Robinson and every active player in MLB — except Harper, who is sitting at 204 for this season. His past two years combined is 167, which would be top 10 in history, and he’s at 144 for his four years in the majors. Second point, this week Harper gave Williams an endorsement that was at least an “11” on a scale of 10. Harper “loves” him. Matt reminds Bryce of his favorite high school coach and of his own dad, too. More important, Williams has been his “head” coach all season in how Harper approaches hitting, from the big picture to individual at-bats, down to anticipating pitch sequences. Mechanics, no. Everything else, yes. A general manager and owner ultimately decide a manager’s fate, not a 22-year-old. But if the Nats fire Williams and Harper’s future performance does not approach this season, then the guy that did the dump will look like a dunce. The gap between the 10.8 WAR pace that Harper is on this season and even a very good mark of 5.0 is probably far more than any new manager could provide. Do you think the Angels, Pirates or Giants would have fired a manager that Trout, Andrew McCutchen or Buster Posey loved, backed publicly and credited as central to their breakout MVP seasons? Maybe, but I bet not. Third, it’s time for the Lerner family to decide whether they believe in lifetime contracts for any 22-year-old. If that’s a “yes,” then what’s their top deal to lock up Harper to age 35? Then make the offer, probably before next season, and cross your fingers. Harper can’t leave D.C. until after 2018. But the earlier you make your big play, the greater the team’s leverage because they assume the risk while also showing enormous confidence and affection bordering on “join our family as a partner.” “It’s really rare to see a player reach his level so young. I was always told your prime was 28-33. That’s eight prime years after 25,” Scherzer said, perfectly hitting the age (25) when the Nats’ control of Harper would end. Of course, Scherzer already has a $210 million deal, shares the same agent with Harper and would love Bryce’s bat to provide runs far into his pitching future. To help the Lerners, let’s give a case study. Harper’s dad worshiped Mantle. Harper wears No. 34 because 3+4 = 7 and the Mick wore No. 7. In Mantle’s 10 best years (1955-64), he averaged 137 games, 37 HRs, 95 RBI, a .314 average and .614 slugging percentage. Entering Thursday, Harper had played 138 games. How convenient. His line: 40 HRs, 92 RBI, .338 and .670. Can Harper be consistent? Can he stay healthy? I’ve tried to study every player whose career before age 25 resembled Harper’s. How many got hurt? How many with hindsight were worth a megadeal of 12-plus years? My guesstimate: 75 percent. But it sure isn’t 100 percent. Whatever you think of Harper’s outspoken, brash personality, the Lerners, including owner Ted and his influential wife, Annette, just about dote on him. On a coast-to-coast flight last month, Harper sat and talked with the family for an hour. “You have to realize that he really is only 22,” one Lerner who felt that the family had a bit of in-loco-parentis responsibility. “He’d never been to Europe. He asked. ‘Where should I go?’ ” Whenever Harper asks a Lerner where he should go, they should seriously consider saying, “Oh, just stay in Washington.” Then back it up.

Edgy MD Sep 18 2015 01:35 PM Re: Cespedes

It's strange to find myself rooting for a superstar to land with the Yankees, but that's kind of where I'm at. I'm fine with him staying in Washington, certainly.

Ceetar Sep 18 2015 01:37 PM Re: Cespedes

Edgy MD wrote: It's strange to find myself rooting for a superstar to land with the Yankees, but that's kind of where I'm at. I'm fine with him staying in Washington, certainly. My preferences for Harper Mets Any non Yankees AL East team. Any AL West team. Any AL Central team. Any NL West team Any NL Central team. Yankees Marlins Phillies/Braves/Nationals

seawolf17 Sep 18 2015 01:52 PM Re: Cespedes

Ceetar wrote: Edgy MD wrote: It's strange to find myself rooting for a superstar to land with the Yankees, but that's kind of where I'm at. I'm fine with him staying in Washington, certainly. My preferences for Harper Mets Any non Yankees AL East team. Any AL West team. Any AL Central team. Any NL West team Any NL Central team. Yankees Marlins Phillies/Braves/Nationals I would so very much hate to root for Bryce Harper. But I would do it if necessary.

Vic Sage Sep 18 2015 02:00 PM Re: Cespedes

my preference for Harper: coachinng baseball at the College of Southern Nevada, after he gets a lifetime ban from MLB for being such a huge throbbing penis.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 18 2015 02:09 PM Re: Cespedes

I'd like to see him leave baseball and get a job as a press spokesman for circus clowns.

Edgy MD Sep 18 2015 02:18 PM Re: Cespedes

Nah. Baseball needs it's heels. The Mets are gonna win about 1200 games over the next decade, and things would get real boring if they upped that to 1300 or 1400.

Gwreck Sep 18 2015 02:42 PM Re: Cespedes

Edgy MD wrote: things would get real boring if they upped that to 1300 or 1400. I'm willing to find out of if that's true.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 18 2015 02:54 PM Re: Cespedes

We'd all be grooving on the historical redemption.

Edgy MD Sep 18 2015 02:56 PM Re: Cespedes

We're going to be grooving anyway, depending of course on how effectively the transition from Alderson to the next GM.

Fman99 Sep 18 2015 04:21 PM Re: Cespedes

Vic Sage wrote: my preference for Harper: coachinng baseball at the College of Southern Nevada, after he gets a lifetime ban from MLB for being such a huge throbbing penis. You had me at "huge throbbing penis."

TransMonk Sep 18 2015 04:40 PM Re: Cespedes

Vic Sage wrote: my preference for Harper: coachinng baseball at the College of Southern Nevada, after he gets a lifetime ban from MLB for being such a huge throbbing penis. This. He'd be like "where's my Scenic West Athletic Conference Championship ring?"

Lefty Specialist Sep 18 2015 04:49 PM Re: Cespedes

Ya know, these long, long term deals don't usually work out. Stanton signs a 13-year deal and in the first season spends more than half of it on the disabled list. Think the Angels would like to get out of the back half of the Pujols contract and the Nats aren't having second thoughts about the Scherzer deal? Harper's young and good, but he's also displayed a propensity for injury. He's got a body type that just screams nagging muscle pulls down the line. Yes, let the Nats or Yanks back up the Brinks truck for him.

Frayed Knot Sep 18 2015 05:06 PM Re: Cespedes

The difference with Harper is that he'll hit the FA market just as he turns 26 y/o Not that that means that a team still couldn't make a bad deal out of such a situation [see: Rodriguez, Alex at a half year younger] but you'd be on much better footing starting out as compared to the recent deals for Pujols, Cano, etc., or, for that matter, Cespedes.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 18 2015 05:10 PM Re: Cespedes

"Céspedes", by the way, is the Spanish word for "lawns".

seawolf17 Sep 18 2015 06:26 PM Re: Cespedes

TransMonk wrote: my preference for Harper: coachinng baseball at the College of Southern Nevada, after he gets a lifetime ban from MLB for being such a huge throbbing penis. This. He'd be like "where's my Scenic West Athletic Conference Championship ring?" That's a clown question, bro.

Edgy MD Sep 18 2015 06:32 PM Re: Cespedes

Benjamin Grimm wrote: "Céspedes", by the way, is the Spanish word for "lawns". I've come around to thinking Yoenis is a variant of Johannes.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 18 2015 06:56 PM Re: Cespedes

Could be! Maybe we can start calling him "Johnny Lawns".

Ashie62 Sep 18 2015 07:36 PM Re: Cespedes

I call him "Yo Yo."

Vic Sage Sep 21 2015 02:00 PM Re: Cespedes

Topic: Mets' revived post-July31 offense was based largely on Cespedes' unsustainable hot streak, and now that NL pitchers have figured out that you don't actually have to throw Yo-Anus any strikes to get him out, his current 1 for 19 streak is going to continue, and the Mets 1-4 record with 10 runs scored over that streak will stretch into the post-season (if there even is a post-season). Discuss

Ceetar Sep 21 2015 02:09 PM Re: Cespedes

Vic Sage wrote: Topic: Mets' revived post-July31 offense was based largely on Cespedes' unsustainable hot streak, and now that NL pitchers have figured out that you don't actually have to throw Yo-Anus any strikes to get him out, his current 1 for 19 streak is going to continue, and the Mets 1-4 record with 10 runs scored over that streak will stretch into the post-season (if there even is a post-season). Discuss Duda went on the DL and hasn't quite gotten his groove back. Cuddyer too with the wrist. They weren't going to win every game. d'Arnaud going through a little cooler period too. Obviously Cespedes wasn't going to hit a home run every game. It's not like NL pitchers have never seen him before (or that he was even facing NL pitching during the slump) or have no tape on him. He'll be fine. two weeks to find a groove again.

Vic Sage Sep 21 2015 02:29 PM Re: Cespedes

Duda went on the DL and hasn't quite gotten his groove back. Cuddyer too with the wrist. They weren't going to win every game. d'Arnaud going through a little cooler period too. Obviously Cespedes wasn't going to hit a home run every game. It's not like NL pitchers have never seen him before (or that he was even facing NL pitching during the slump) or have no tape on him. He'll be fine. two weeks to find a groove again. Yes, d'Arnaud's 1 for 15 hasn't helped, but Duda and Cuddyer had nothing to do with the Mets becoming scoring machines leading the NL in offense post-deadline. So their continued irrelevance is irrelevant. Yo-Anus has spent his career to date in the AL: yes, NL pitchers have seen him during inter-league play, but that's not much. Its one thing to have tape, and another to actually pitch against a guy. And no, of course we aren't going to win every game. we didn't win every game during his hot streak either, but we were winning 2/3, which is the rate at which 100win teams play. But more to the point is your comment that "Cespedes" wasn't going to hit a home run every game." No, but he was hitting one every OTHER game for 5-6 weeks, which is my point exactly. He wasn't going to keep that up; he couldn't. Now that he's stopped, the Mets are back to a 2run/gm team. you think Yo-Anus will find his groove again in 2 weeks? based on what? All i see right now is a guy who flails at bad pitches, with no patience or control of the strike zone, and the mistakes he used to hit out he's now popping up or, at best, hitting a double, like he did last night on a flat curve right over the middle of the plate. It's called "reversion to the mean", i think. And he's as likely to stay as cold for the rest of the season (and post-season) as he was hot over the last 6 weeks.

Ceetar Sep 21 2015 02:36 PM Re: Cespedes

no, i think my point was that he just played 3 games against an AL team he'd seen like 7 times already this year. But sure, if your point is that Cespedes was a one-trick pony and teams that have seen him before can get him out. But the numbers don't seem to suggest that. It's not like he's a rookie and had his brief bout of success and then failed. He's having his best season yet. reversion to the mean means he'll settle in somewhere around .270/.318/.487 which would be pretty helpful. Not 1/18. Even Rey Ordonez wouldn't settle in at that level. I think the 2400 AB in his career, and the 635 this season, are much more reasonable exceptions for the next two weeks and the playoffs than 4 games.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 21 2015 07:02 PM Re: Cespedes

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Could be! Maybe we can start calling him "Johnny Lawns". How did I not know this earlier? "Yo Yo Lawn" it is.

Edgy MD Sep 21 2015 07:15 PM Re: Cespedes

A lot of calls for the Mets to drop everything and lock Cespedes up long term. Then they suddenly stopped this week. Curious.

Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 21 2015 07:27 PM Re: Cespedes

"Yo Anus?" Seriously? We're piling on the guy after the amazing streak he's had? We're not up 6 games without him. He hasn't been the same since Stony Brook alum Tom Koehler drilled him in the hip. Perhaps there's an injury there that he's been getting over.

dgwphotography Sep 21 2015 07:52 PM Re: Cespedes

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: "Yo Anus?" Seriously? We're piling on the guy after the amazing streak he's had? We're not up 6 games without him. He hasn't been the same since Stony Brook alum Tom Koehler drilled him in the hip. Perhaps there's an injury there that he's been getting over. I don't think it's a coincidence that he went 0-19 after being drilled...

seawolf17 Sep 21 2015 07:57 PM Re: Cespedes

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: He hasn't been the same since Stony Brook alum Tom Koehler drilled him in the hip. Perhaps there's an injury there that he's been getting over. /ignores CPF until Cespedes hits another home run

Ceetar Sep 21 2015 08:00 PM Re: Cespedes

seawolf17 wrote: He hasn't been the same since Stony Brook alum Tom Koehler drilled him in the hip. Perhaps there's an injury there that he's been getting over. /ignores CPF until Cespedes hits another home run so see you tonight around 7:20?

Frayed Knot Sep 21 2015 08:23 PM Re: Cespedes

dgwphotography wrote: Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: "Yo Anus?" Seriously? We're piling on the guy after the amazing streak he's had? We're not up 6 games without him. He hasn't been the same since Stony Brook alum Tom Koehler drilled him in the hip. Perhaps there's an injury there that he's been getting over. I don't think it's a coincidence that he went 0-19 after being drilled... I do.

Mets Willets Point Sep 21 2015 08:25 PM Re: Cespedes

I think it's just an ordinary slump.

Zvon Sep 21 2015 09:14 PM Re: Cespedes

He got hit in the meaty part of his butt. I don't see how that should effect his playing. Although I bet taking a dump is a pain is his ass.

seawolf17 Sep 22 2015 01:59 AM Re: Cespedes

Ceetar wrote: He hasn't been the same since Stony Brook alum Tom Koehler drilled him in the hip. Perhaps there's an injury there that he's been getting over. /ignores CPF until Cespedes hits another home run so see you tonight around 7:20? He's back. We're good.

Edgy MD Apr 08 2016 03:31 PM Re: Cespedes

Fascinating reading.

metirish Apr 08 2016 03:33 PM Re: Cespedes

A friend wondered what kind of reception Yo gets today, he thought after the shitty Sprint Training, the non catch in the opener that it might be subdued, no way, I think he gets a huge ovation....

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 08 2016 05:25 PM Re: Cespedes

metirish wrote: A friend wondered what kind of reception Yo gets today, he thought after the shitty Sprint Training, the non catch in the opener that it might be subdued, no way, I think he gets a huge ovation.... Mas o menos.