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Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Mets Willets Point Jul 10 2015 07:47 PM

Season 6 trailer for The Walking Dead. Returning October 11. [youtube]Va1UPrFXHKA[/youtube]

TransMonk Jul 10 2015 08:33 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

What an obscenely long trailer. Looks like more bad-ass Rick on the way for this season. Still, I'm excited...even though the season premiere won't happen until the baseball playoffs are underway. We need to make predictions on which major character(s) get killed off this season between now and then.

TransMonk Jul 10 2015 08:59 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Then there's this coming August 23rd: [youtube:36lc57pu]WDxew5SguVw[/youtube:36lc57pu]

Mets Willets Point Jul 10 2015 09:53 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

TransMonk wrote: We need to make predictions on which major character(s) get killed off this season between now and then. Maggie Morgan Abraham Deanna

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 21 2015 11:57 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

TransMonk wrote: Then there's this coming August 23rd: [youtube]WDxew5SguVw[/youtube] Anyone been watching? I guess it hasn't been what I'd been expecting but not all bad, and finally introduced a few what-now threads to continue next week. Lot of themeatic and/or visual 9/11 inferences that I'm sure aren't mistakes -- the govt badly mismanaging the crisis, the memorials, the soldiers of course.

TransMonk Sep 22 2015 09:43 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I'm watching. Certainly more dramatic and less gory than TWD, but the horror isn't as wide-spread yet in this timeline. Travis is kind of the anti-Rick...a leader-ish figure who wants to help, but is oblivious and naive to what is actually going on. I like Madison's aggressiveness in theory, though I'm not sure I wholly believe in her character yet. I hate, hate, hate that the season (or half-season or pre-season or whatever AMC is using to justify it's shortness) is only six episodes long. Six. I know they don;t want the two shows running at the same time, but c'mon. Per Wikipedia: A 30-minute special introducing a new second season character will be released online and aired in chapters during commercial breaks of The Walking Dead. The story will be about the outbreak's effect on an airplane flight.

TransMonk Oct 13 2015 04:48 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

It's been two days since the Season 6 premiere dropped (I know we've all been preoccupied). Any thoughts? Rick's got a little control back, but the new threat seems unstoppable since the elaborate plan fell through. The premiere was 90 minutes long, though it seemed like they just added 30 minutes of commercials.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 13 2015 04:53 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I watched it on TiVo delay, with fast-forwarding, and the ratio of commercials to content seemed about right. Instead of doing the "Pied Piper" thing with these walkers (and where were they leading them to anyway?) they should have thought of somehow setting a massive fire inside that quarry. Maybe it wouldn't have been practical (you'd need a lot of combustible material) but someone should have at least suggested it.

TransMonk Oct 13 2015 04:59 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Yeah, I guess the theory was that once the herd started heading out of town, they would just keep going. I'm with you though, finding a way to exterminate the herd should have been part of the project planning.

Mets Willets Point Oct 13 2015 05:13 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Totally missed that The Walking Dead was back on. Totally missed Fear the Walking Dead too. Is that season already over?

Benjamin Grimm Oct 13 2015 05:20 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Yes. "Fear" ran for six weeks, starting in August. Its second season in 2016 will have 15 episodes. I'm sure there will be a "Fear" marathon of the first season on AMC next year before the second season starts.

Mets Willets Point Oct 13 2015 05:22 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I'm still not sure how many zombie shows I want to commit to, but I suppose I'll give it a shot if and when I have more free time (that is, after the World Series).

Zvon Oct 13 2015 06:13 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I watched it on TiVo delay, with fast-forwarding, and the ratio of commercials to content seemed about right. Instead of doing the "Pied Piper" thing with these walkers (and where were they leading them to anyway?) they should have thought of somehow setting a massive fire inside that quarry. Maybe it wouldn't have been practical (you'd need a lot of combustible material) but someone should have at least suggested it. My very first thought when I saw how they were all trapped down there. Even reinforcing the area with the trucks. They tried to make it so that it went south so fast that they didn't have time to consider anything else. I found the episode a bit strained in a number of areas. Still loved it and loved seeing it back.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 13 2015 07:31 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Who's making the noise back at Camp D'Anna? I guess its the "Wolves" group. Who are these "wolves"? Are they like an eviler version of Terminus? Nice of Glenn to make friends that douche who tried to kill him, and a few other folks. I thought the "hair" jokes with Eugene were 1 too many, that's the kind of thing fans should do, not the show.

Mets Willets Point Oct 23 2015 08:52 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

So, Rick seems to be unhinged but everything that happens in the show seem to be justifying his behavior. Even with Morgan, Darryl, Glenn, Deanna and others offering different ways, pretty much if you don't do it Rick's way, you end up dead. The Enid flashback was brilliant. Also brilliant, removing the casserole after the attack was over as if it was just another day.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 23 2015 08:54 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Also brilliant, removing the casserole after the attack was over as if it was just another day. I liked that too!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 23 2015 11:48 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Mets – Willets Point wrote: Also brilliant, removing the casserole after the attack was over as if it was just another day. I liked that too! Also, since the casserole likely took 40 minutes or so, it's a signifier that the whole Wolves rigmarole took place in something like real time. Between the genuinely shocking brutality and the Enidstuff... damn fine episode there. So... is Enid a Wolf? Her behavior/comments make it seem likely, but how can a band of crazies like this even sit still/non-stabby long enough to conceive of a spy-recon scheme?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 24 2015 02:39 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I thought the whole time Enid may have led the Wolves in but they made it obvious they found the joint with whats-his-name's photos. I didn't much make out what they said but they seemed to know Morgan. What's the deal with Morgan? He's like Zen Tyrese. Zombies in the back of the truck?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 26 2015 03:39 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I'll make sure we've all seen this one before we discuss it, if I can wait.

Elster88 Oct 26 2015 06:05 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

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Vic Sage Oct 26 2015 02:13 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

i don't believe it. I don't mean, "gosh i can't believe they did that!", i mean i think its a fake out. Nicholas fell down on top of Glen -- Glen was under Nicholas when all that happened. And Rick better lock that Winnebago tight as a drunk. And the Alexandrian with the dreads better step back out of Michonne's grill or that dude is going to wear his ass for a hat.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 26 2015 02:31 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I entertained that possibility but I think what happened actually happened. The parallel I-miss-my-wife guy arc was all a big foreshadow. Related, I think Dreadlock-Glasses Guy and Michonne start with the hot love and replace Glen-Maggie as the Power Couple. That guy with Glen has to go down as one of the great villains in TWD history, what an incredible rascal fuck-up he was. I'm always rooting for encounters between the humans and the zombie versions of their friends so here's hoping we see Glen again. The Wolves guy who made off with the gun wasted no time! Hardcore shit!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 26 2015 05:53 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I do think Glenn's gone; he's been gone for a bit in the books (which, somewhat unfortunately-- the writing's superclunky-- I've been gobbling as commute-home braincandy over the last few weeks), and I'm thinking this is another way-- like Hershel's and Tyreese's delayed but eventual deaths, or Rick's potential hand injury?-- to sort of dovetail the "alternative universes" that the books and show seem to occupy. Outside of the thing itself, the most unsettling thing about the Glenn incident is that it took place with so much time left in the episode... kind of left me in a holy-fuck-who's-next kind of place, especially regarding Rick.

Vic Sage Oct 26 2015 09:41 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Did Rick die in the books?

Mets Willets Point Oct 26 2015 09:53 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Vic Sage wrote: Did Rick die in the books? Not as far as the most recent collection.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 26 2015 11:26 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

As much as I've grown used to it, the Ricktatorship has developed a pretty repetititive rhythm, hasn't it? Encounter new group; greets new group with road-honed harshness/reality check that's borderline-- hell, sometimes outright-- paranoid; new group either underestimates (if hostile) or feels threatened by (if friendly) Rick's group; Rick's brand of crazy is ultimately proven prescient by tragedy or victory. Wouldn't it be interesting to see how a post-Rick TWD would work?

Benjamin Grimm Oct 27 2015 02:31 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Yes. I've been hoping that they will do that.

Elster88 Oct 27 2015 04:22 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

He called him dumbass. A nice callback and if he is dead a nice last line to Rick.

Elster88 Oct 27 2015 04:24 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

please use spoiler warnings when discussing the books

Mets Willets Point Oct 29 2015 02:37 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Finally caught up to "Thank You." I'm with Vic on Glenn. Clearly the body being eaten is Nicholas's. Also bummed that Nicholas's story is over as I thought he was an interesting character to develop. They brought a lot of attention to Rick's injured hand but I missed how he hurt in the first place. Was it a bite?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 29 2015 07:19 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I think the blade in his knife snapped off while stabbing a zombie skull and cut him. I have picked up various vague clues that this injury could help to introduce some element from the comix but I don't wanna know what that is specifically, so if you do discuss it, mark it a spoiler! "Clearly" the body is Nicholas? I dunno.

Mets Willets Point Oct 29 2015 07:37 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I have picked up various vague clues that this injury could help to introduce some element from the comix but I don't wanna know what that is specifically, so if you do discuss it, mark it a spoiler! I was wondering if it would connect to the comics element as well. John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: "Clearly" the body is Nicholas? I dunno. If it's not Nicholas, then Glenn has intestines in his shoulder.

TransMonk Oct 29 2015 07:55 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I don't read the books, but I'm guessing that Rick's hand gets infected and he needs to chop it off. He'll then fashion a way to connect a chainsaw to his stump...no wait, that's a different show. I'm thinking Glenn is still alive...but wondering about why the Wolves chop off body parts. Are they creating "walker slaves" like Michonne had when we first met her?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 30 2015 02:34 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I like Glenn, and would like it if he lived. That said, it would be SUCH a stupid, stupid, potentially-show-ruining cheat for me if Glenn were still alive.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 30 2015 02:53 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

You guys are making me think Glenn did survive. Maybe he rolls under the dumpster and hides, the guts on him masks his human scent. In the meantime an explosion drives away the herd.

Mets Willets Point Oct 30 2015 02:58 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Glenn being alive is plausible. Whether it's shoddy storytelling or not depends on how things play out. Seems that the first three episodes are setting up an "everything is crashing down" scenario. Maybe everyone is going to be split up again like in series 4 and we'll follow their disparate stories. By the way, if you think "Glenn is alive" is ridiculous, there is a group on Tumblr who are absolutely convinced that Beth Greene is still alive.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 30 2015 02:59 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I like Glenn, and would like it if he lived. That said, it would be SUCH a stupid, stupid, potentially-show-ruining cheat for me if Glenn were still alive. If he survives, they'll have to find a non-shark-jumping way to make it happen. The word is we'll see Steven Yuen again, but we don't know in what context. I assume it's either in flashback, as a surviving Glenn, or as a zombie Glenn. (I guess it could be a dream sequence, but I hate those. I hope it's not that.)

soupcan Oct 30 2015 03:05 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I am covinced Glenn is alive, only because we are sitting here discussing it. It wasn't a de-facto death scene. If they were going to kill him why wouldn't they make it a no-doubter? When they fall off the dumpster, Glenn is clearly falling underneath Nicholas.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 30 2015 04:44 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Glenn fell under Nicholas, into a throng of zombies that it was impossible to escape when they were on foot. And he's SCREAMING. The corner they wrote themselves into, it would be impossible to get out of, casualty-free, without burning credibility/cheating, old-Saturday-serial-cliffhanger-style.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 30 2015 05:05 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I agree. Even if those were Nicholas' guts that we were seeing, I don't see much of a way that Glenn would be able to avoid becoming the second victim. The theory is that, being drenched in guts, he'd be able to be "invisible" to the walkers that surround him, but he's drenched in human guts, not zombie guts. There has to be a difference; if zombies weren't attracted to human guts then they wouldn't have fed on Nicholas to begin with.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 03 2015 06:04 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

RIP, Norm Son-Of-A-Gunderson! That was a long episode, which I guess explains Morgan's new Zen Tyrese act, but I'm still confused as to his interactions with Yellowtooth Wolf Guy at the end. He ran into this dude last season but didn't kill him, and now he's Morgan's prisoner? Are they in Alexandria where this conversation happens? Is Morgan's goal now to teach this psycho what Gunderson taught him?

Benjamin Grimm Nov 03 2015 06:41 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Are they in Alexandria where this conversation happens? Yes. Near the end of the episode, when Morgan leaves his prisoner, we see him stepping out of the house into the Alexandria neighborhood. And we hear someone yelling something about opening the gate. John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Is Morgan's goal now to teach this psycho what Gunderson taught him? That's what I'm thinking. Why are we calling Eastman "Gunderson?"

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 03 2015 06:52 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I couldn't remember his name. But he's the actor who played Norm Gunderson in 'Fargo.'

Mets Willets Point Nov 04 2015 05:18 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Aw, man, I liked Eastman even though I knew he was doomed from the start.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 04 2015 10:58 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I spent much of the episode worrying about Tabitha.

Mets Willets Point Nov 04 2015 03:16 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I spent much of the episode worrying about Tabitha. I figured both Eastman and Tabitha would be dead before the end of the episode, but still was sad when it happened. So my theories of where the rest of the season will go, from most to least likely: * Morgan saves Rick. There's much tension between the Ricktatorship way and the Akido way. In the finale, they battle with the Wolves, Morgan attempts to "redirect" them but is inevitably double-crossed and killed. Rick regroups the remaining survivors. * Rick is missing for an extended time. Morgan takes over leading Alexandria with his Akido philosophy. In the finale, there's a tense standoff and battle with the Wolves. The stress causes Morgan to flip out and he goes into "clear" mode killing everyone in sight. Rick returns in the nick of time, kills Morgan, and regroups the remaining survivors. * Rick is dead. Morgan takes over leadership of Alexandria with his Akido philosophy. After a battle and tense standoff with the Wolves, Morgan successfully redirects their survivors and they join the community. Everyone lives in peace and harmony ... until the next big bad arrives.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 04 2015 04:40 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I think your scenario 2 is most likely. They could "show" Rick missing the whole time too, taking out huge groups of walkers using ingenuity, his hand injury worsening, etc etc, making his way back on foot, perhaps having to kill Zombie Glenn along the way, etc. The Wolf-Morgan scene very much like the Tyrese-Tigers Fan scene last year. Really it's the same story over and over again here. This year the bad humans kill with the same lack of remorse as Zombies, whereas last year the bad humans were like zombies in that they ate their victims. You have the overarching literal symbolism of Wolves among Sheep to explore too.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 05 2015 12:59 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

For such a long episode, it felt fresher than anything since the last Morgan ep. The thing I liked maybe best-- apart from John Carroll Lynch (few actors could play "man of peace" and "man who could watch a man starve" more plausibly) and Lennie James -- was that this one of the few instances where a guy's life-affirming attitude didn't make him look like an utter aashole; normally, the scriptwriters tend to be so sadistic toward the show's few gentle souls.

Vic Sage Nov 06 2015 06:31 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Yes, agreed. Terrific episode, allows the story to step back and take a breath. Great performances. Even Tabitha was believable.

Mets Willets Point Nov 06 2015 08:30 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Vic Sage wrote: Even Tabitha was believable. Emmy for Best Performance of a Goat, Drama.

Vic Sage Nov 06 2015 09:29 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

she is actually an English bulldog, but you know how good the English are with make up and accents. Remarkable, really.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 09 2015 06:35 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

OK, another loading-up episode for the final 2 (or 3??) extravaganzas to come -- * Aaron asking preggo Maggie to name her kid after him? Considering all the dead family members she already has including the kid's dad, probably down the list a little ways. * A long way to go to get the Alexandians to recognize it's bad out there. Deanna didn't even know to go for the guy's head! * Not-hot lezbo action! * Disappointed that Morgan just sat there in the background, and that Rick didn't make pow-wowing with him a priority, instead trying to get down Jessie's pants. What happens next? I predict -- Michonne and one-half of the Sasha-Abraham team come home (Sasha); Wolves set to attack again but get themselves slaughtered by gathered zombies at Alexadria gates; Darryl encounters the Wolves out on the road and shoots a dozen of them with arrows; Teen Love Triangle has deadly consequences as Wussy Lovesick kid uses Rick's shooting lessons for all the wrong reasons.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 09 2015 06:40 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: * Aaron asking preggo Maggie to name her kid after him? Considering all the dead family members she already has including the kid's dad, probably down the list a little ways. I was thinking instead of "Aaron" or "Erin", she would go with...

Vic Sage Nov 10 2015 06:01 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Thoughts: * i don't think "image" is a good name for a child. * Deanna had a distinctly zombie-ish quality for most of the episode... even her makeup made her look slightly post-dead. Then she comes alive at the end; "i want to live", she says, after hacking up that zombie with a broken bottle. The HEAD, goddammit! GO FOR THE HEAD, if you want to live! * Where was Eugene? Did he die? Did i miss that? * Who was the happy homemaker zombie that Jessie put down oh so daintily? * I don't like that kid, Sam. But what was that gay slap fight with Karl? Karl should've just kicked the shit out of that emo whiner. * An episode without much of Michonne, Carol, or Daryl is an episode that's just marking time. * oh, and I haven't given up on Glenn just yet. next!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 10 2015 06:04 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I believe the dead homemaker was the wife of that guy who bought it at the pet store in the Glenn-Might-Be-Dead episode. She committed suicide.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 10 2015 06:06 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Vic Sage wrote: Who was the happy homemaker zombie that Jessie put down oh so daintily? That was Betsy, the wife of the man (David?) who had scrawled the note and handed it to Michonne two weeks ago. (That "Image" was supposed to be a "Glenn or Glenda" poster, by the way.) Eugene is still alive. I thought I saw him in the background in one scene this week, but I'm not sure of that.

Vic Sage Nov 10 2015 06:08 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I believe the dead homemaker was the wife of that guy who bought it at the pet store in the Glenn-Might-Be-Dead episode. She committed suicide. did we see her commit suicide that episode? I don't remember that.

Vic Sage Nov 10 2015 06:09 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

and anybody who commits suicide without blowing their brains out is really being inconsiderate.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 10 2015 06:10 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

That occurred to me as well.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 10 2015 06:11 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Vic Sage wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I believe the dead homemaker was the wife of that guy who bought it at the pet store in the Glenn-Might-Be-Dead episode. She committed suicide. did we see her commit suicide that episode? I don't remember that. No, I don;t think so. She must have been informed by Michonne off-camera that her hubby died. Maybe if she had that note she would find the strength to live!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 10 2015 07:45 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Vic Sage wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I believe the dead homemaker was the wife of that guy who bought it at the pet store in the Glenn-Might-Be-Dead episode. She committed suicide. did we see her commit suicide that episode? I don't remember that. No, but there were the wrist-slash marks shown when she clawed at the door.

Mets Willets Point Nov 11 2015 03:45 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

"WE'LL KEEP THIS PLACE AS QUIET AS A GRAVEYARD," Rick shouted as he stood ten feet away from the gate with a gaggle of zombies on the opposite side.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 11 2015 03:52 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

* Deanna had a distinctly zombie-ish quality for most of the episode... even her makeup made her look slightly post-dead. you know who she looks like? Zira from Planet of the Apes. Im watching again as Wifey fell asleep first time. What did Rick say? "Nicholas and Glenn are going to walk through that door." Walk, he said.

Mets Willets Point Nov 11 2015 03:58 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I think your scenario 2 is most likely. They could "show" Rick missing the whole time too, taking out huge groups of walkers using ingenuity, his hand injury worsening, etc etc, making his way back on foot, perhaps having to kill Zombie Glenn along the way, etc. Kind of disappointed that we didn't get a "Rick on his own" episode, but it looks like we're going to get a "Daryl on his own" episode.

Vic Sage Nov 12 2015 09:07 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

you know who she looks like? Zira from Planet of the Apes. YES! I thought that very same thing as i was watching!

Mets Willets Point Nov 17 2015 05:46 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

What do Glenn Truthers think of the final word of dialogue?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 17 2015 12:46 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Was it "help?" Sounded like "Hi." I'm kind of tiring of these episodes that tell a lengthy story involving people we don't care about as a vehicle for a last-second cliffhanger. This ep yet another "Wolves vs. Sheep" metaphor but turns the tables. I don't buy the Abe-Sasha romance! Patty was a truck!

Mets Willets Point Nov 17 2015 03:17 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I thought it was a good Darryl episode. He's more vulnerable than his usual badass self and Reedus plays it well. Also interesting that the audience gets information in bits and pieces just like Darryl. It's like he walked into the middle of another tv show about the zombie apocalypse. I thought it was a good Abraham episode too, especially the sequence with the walker hanging from the bridge with the RPG. I don't Sasha is buying the Abe-Sasha romance either. The word I heard was "help!"

Benjamin Grimm Nov 17 2015 04:02 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Mets – Willets Point wrote: The word I heard was "help!" I think I heard "No" but I read that somebody went back and turned on closed captioning and the word that popped up on the screen was, indeed, "Help."

TransMonk Nov 17 2015 04:12 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I'm kind of tiring of these episodes that tell a lengthy story involving people we don't care about as a vehicle for a last-second cliffhanger. This is where I am at too. Abe gives good dialogue and Darryl is a strong character, but these episodes that break off from the pack just make it seem like they are filling time and/or drawing out what or who the next big thing is going to be.

Vic Sage Nov 17 2015 09:29 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

it's a novel, not a short story. Digressions from the primary narrative to explore the world of secondary characters is necessary for the overarching story of the whole work. It all adds layers of depth and meaning. It's not marking time until the next big thing... it all adds to the one big thing that is TWD. I've got no problem in spending an hour with Daryl, Sasha and Abe so that, when they rejoin their people, they have interior lives that we are now privvy to, that makes every interaction with every other character that much more loaded with meaning and nuance. Keep em coming, guys.

Mets Willets Point Nov 17 2015 10:39 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I actually think this show works best when the episode focuses on just 2-3 characters rather than the full ensemble. I also find it interesting that the whole season so far (except for the flashbacks in episode 1) takes place on the same day. You could call this season "Alexandria and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day."

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 18 2015 07:12 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I'd say that 3-4 of the series' top 5 episodes are tight-focus, 1 or 2 character jobbers. (See: the two Morgan episodes, the pilot.) But that kinda had to be Glenn, didn't it? Fucknuggets, they're going to call my bluff.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 23 2015 08:49 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

So, they did call the bluff... but the voice on the radio was... Rick? Considering how much attention he was paying to the fences during the security walk, isn't it a little convenient that Rick didn't happen to hear any creaking boards or sighing support beams?

Vic Sage Nov 24 2015 10:07 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

HAH! toldja so.

Mets Willets Point Nov 25 2015 03:03 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Getting under that dumpster was easier than I thought it would be.

Mets Willets Point Nov 25 2015 10:18 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

So how many cliffhangers did we get there? * Ron stalking Carl with a gun * Carol confronting Morgan about his prisoner * Glenn and Enid signaling with the balloons * Tower collapsing and breaking wall. Did I miss any?

Mets Willets Point Nov 30 2015 06:47 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Kind of a non-committal first-half finale, relying on Walking Dead cliches rather than doing anything interesting. Deanna finally had some good moments, especially with Michonne. Might've been more interesting if they had her live and influence Rick and vice versa than just having her spout wisdom as she croaks. I like Dr. Denise. I hope she sticks around. COMIC BOOK SPOILERS: The post-credit sequence reveals that we're going to see Negan, one of the comics most-annoying and contrived characters. He's basically the Governor on steroids with all the same over-the-top villainy and same issues of kill or be killed for Rick's group. And the Negan storyline goes on waaaaay to long. I was hoping the TV show would skip Negan and try something different.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 30 2015 06:55 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I haven't read the Negan stories in the comics; I got bogged down and stopped reading (although I may resume at some point) around the time they got to the prison. But from what I understand, Negan's appearance in the TV series has been much anticipated. I guess others found him more interesting than you did. Hopefully, he'll be compelling on TV. If he's just another Governor it will feel a lot like "been there done that." I suspect that Sam is doomed. The question is, will he bring his mother down with him, or will she survive and be haunted by having to be dragged away from him?

TransMonk Nov 30 2015 06:58 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Deanna finally had some good moments... I think my reaction to my impending death would be similar to hers: "Well, shit."

Benjamin Grimm Nov 30 2015 07:01 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

It depends on what kind of show you're on. If it's on a broadcast network, you'd have to settle for "Well, damn." If it was premium cable, you'd be able to say, "Well, fuck."

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 30 2015 08:52 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

They should feed that bowl-cut weirdo to the zombies, and throw his record collection out too. I think the Doctor escapes from Warner Wolf, they've invested too much in her character and budding luv affair just to kill her off now. Whatever became of the tall dreadlocked guy? I thought they were going to make him a more prominent character but we haven't seen him since the pet store I don't think. I know there was a thinning of the herd with the Wolf murders, but the whole town of Alexandria seems to have gone missing. I didn't see the preview but I guess this Neegan guy is working with the group that met Darryl out on the road? It would be interesting to be dealing with more than one group at a time, you'd figure that's how it might be out there: Lots of small groups.

Vic Sage Nov 30 2015 08:53 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Kind of a non-committal first-half finale, relying on Walking Dead cliches rather than doing anything interesting. Deanna finally had some good moments, especially with Michonne. Might've been more interesting if they had her live and influence Rick and vice versa than just having her spout wisdom as she croaks. I like Dr. Denise. I hope she sticks around. Yeah, this. Unsatisfying conclusion. And I hope Sam gets eaten quickly. Even Judith has enough sense to shut up while walking through a herd of walkers.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 30 2015 09:58 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I hope Sam doesn't cause the death of his beautiful mother.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 07 2015 07:39 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

For some reason I was thinking about this episode as I was driving to work this morning. Why should it matter if Sam says, "Mom? Mom?" As long as he smells like a zombie, he should be okay making a little noise. The zombies themselves aren't silent. They growl and gurgle and make other horrible noises. I would think that they disregard sounds made by beings that smell like they do. Otherwise they'd be attacking each other.

Frayed Knot Dec 08 2015 03:13 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

So I haven't read any of this thread because I've never seen any of the show. But this Rick Grimes guy, he's played by one Andrew Lincoln, who turns out to be English (no surprise there, I think 87.63% of American parts are actually played by Englishmen/women), with the real name of Andrew Clutterbuck (can't understand why he changed it), who it turns out is married to Gael Anderson, the daughter of Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull fame.

Mets Willets Point Feb 15 2016 06:54 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

So long Anderson family, and presumably the potable water supply.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 15 2016 11:11 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I hope Sam doesn't cause the death of his beautiful mother. Oh well.

TransMonk Feb 16 2016 02:05 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I wasn't terribly impressed by this episode.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 16 2016 12:02 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

It seems like a lot of people are raving about how great it was. I enjoyed it, but it didn't stand out to me as "among the best." That final battle scene seemed too implausible to me. You'd think somebody, even if it was just a "red shirt" would have been at least bitten or scratched while in that crowd of walkers.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 16 2016 12:51 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Lotta dead zombies in that one. The "just in time" weapon whipouts from Darryl and Sasha/Abe were kinda hard to take. And don;t most people shot in the eye at close range die, like, right away? How many zombies have met their deaths this very way? RIP, Wolfie Guy. I didn't much get the "W" team then or now. Were they Nationals fans?

Vic Sage Feb 16 2016 02:59 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Feb 16 2016 04:51 PM

ALL SPOILERS! Daryl blows up Negan's henchmen with a bazooka - loved it! Sam gets himself and Jessie eaten, and Michonne puts her katana thru Ron - loved it! Rick chops his girlfriend's hand off to save his son - loved it! Wolfie's last moment redemption in saving Denise, before getting shot by Carol - loved it! Morgan finally putting Walker Wolfie down - loved it! Glen's timely rescue by the cavalry - loved it! The padre and Eugene finally step up - loved it! Rick, after losing Jessie and seeing Carl take a bullet off the eye socket, goes walker postal, inspiring the townsfolk to fight back - loved it! Walkers walk into a lake of fire - loved it! Rick regaining his humanity and accepting the Alexandrians - loved it! A glimmer of hope for the town's future - loved it! I'm not sure what you folks were expecting from the season opener, but this one delivered big time!

Mets Willets Point Feb 16 2016 03:24 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I'm pretty much with Vic here. The last episode before the break was so lame I had low expectations and this made me interested in sticking with the show. Of course I've learned over time that with The Walking Dead about every four-five episodes there's a brilliant episode that carries you through the foot-dragging and miscues of all the other episodes.

TransMonk Feb 16 2016 05:47 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

The writing and direction for the episode was lame. Too many last-second heroics for me too stomach in this one.

TransMonk Feb 22 2016 06:29 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

See, Rick's a lover not a fighter.

Vic Sage Feb 23 2016 03:44 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

it's about time.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 23 2016 04:50 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I guess this means Michonne is doomed as all Rick's WAGs are. I could do without a romance between these two. I thought she and Alexandria Dreadlock Guy were gonna hook up. I like Jesus so far. A bad guy who can fight!

Benjamin Grimm Feb 23 2016 04:54 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Danai Gurira was on Talking Dead this week and I kept hoping they'd introduce her to Wilmer Flores. From Talking Dead I know that a lot of viewers have been 'shipping this romance, but I'm not sure why. I keep hoping they'll make a bolder decision and kill off Rick's character. I may be the only one rooting for that.

Mets Willets Point Feb 24 2016 05:25 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

By The Walking Dead standards, this was a comic relief episode. As a comics reader I was excited to see Jesus, although they are doing a different take on the character so far. Ricchone is canon!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 25 2016 03:37 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

"Oh, so you had a day." So, Michonne essentially takes comix-Andrea's place as Rick's bud-turned-bedmate?

Mets Willets Point Feb 25 2016 03:17 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: "Oh, so you had a day." So, Michonne essentially takes comix-Andrea's place as Rick's bud-turned-bedmate? Yes, that's what seems to be happening.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 29 2016 05:17 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Very few zombie kills, but a very interesting episode. Hard not to notice they're going into battle, with* Jesus, against* the Saviors. Nice work by Mags in this one taking down Gregory. I don't think Rosita ought to have a hard time finding a new man if and when Abraham tries banging someone else. *- I think

Vic Sage Feb 29 2016 05:23 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Can't Rick ever meet another group without wearing their blood on his face? He makes the worst first impression; I like Jesus, but i don't trust him; Gregory... yet another a-hole after the apocalypse; I'm not sure i buy Maggie as their lead negotiator/leader-in-training... she's a sweet farm-girl; Abraham always cracks me up ... Bisquick! Hah; The group, short on everything, finally realizes what they have to barter with... their badassery; Negan, ready or not, here we come!

Benjamin Grimm Feb 29 2016 05:53 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Vic Sage wrote: The group, short on everything, finally realizes what they have to barter with... their badassery; I liked that!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 01 2016 05:24 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Alexandria Gunz 4 Hire, eh? Confident they can not only resolve things, but do so quickly and expediently? Oh, there's no way this ends up going badly. Gregory is, like, the very model of the kind of characters this actor plays-- Jack's first dick boss on 24, and the not-completely-obtuse dickhead boss/functionary on about a hundred other shows/movies-- isn't he? (OE: Xander Berkeley.)

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 01 2016 12:59 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

"We ain't never had a problem with con-fron-TA-tion." Michonne IMO correctly predicts "it will cost us" -- Let's say Sasha (seconds after the Abe hookup), a half-dozen we-don't-know-em-well-enough-yet Alexandrians, the broken-arm Hilltop guy for starters.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 07 2016 04:03 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Well that was pretty hardcore.

Vic Sage Mar 07 2016 07:28 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Good commando raid, but i'm not sure about all this. Shouldn't Rick have insisted on more intel before assaulting that compound? How many troops does Negan have? Are there other bases in the area? Wouldn't you want to know that before starting a war with them? Just getting in and killing everybody you see doesn't make much of a plan. Maggie once again in the clutches of bad guys... Glenn to the rescue again?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 07 2016 07:36 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Yeah, would have been dumb not to know whether there were additional outlets of Neegan Inc. They will pay for this! I think Glenn will die this time in exchange for Maggie. All that murder was something but Gabriel was a truly terrifying assassin.

Vic Sage Mar 07 2016 08:35 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I'm glad they're finally doing something interesting with Gabriel. I've long thought Glenn and Maggie were going to be the nuclear family that survives the zombie apocalypse to start society anew. But now that Glenn has killed a human being, he's no longer a pure soul. I don't think he'll handle it well, and that might be his downfall.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 08 2016 12:18 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Vic Sage wrote: Good commando raid, but i'm not sure about all this. Shouldn't Rick have insisted on more intel before assaulting that compound? How many troops does Negan have? Are there other bases in the area? Wouldn't you want to know that before starting a war with them? Just getting in and killing everybody you see doesn't make much of a plan. It's almost as if Rick is kind of a shit leader. (Speaking of which. ..grrrreat idea bringing the pregnant lady along to give them cover on the perimeter.) So... they're mercenaries, now?

Mets Willets Point Mar 08 2016 05:08 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I have a sense that a notorious moment in the comics book series is going to be switched up in the coming tv episodes.

Vic Sage Mar 08 2016 02:44 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

So... they're mercenaries, now? No, I'd say they're "contractors"...sort of like the difference between a "pirate" and a "privateer." For example, i don't think they would have taken out Hilltop for Negan's group, after what they knew about Negan. So they're not exactly guns for hire. They went after a group that's M.O. for survival was to murder, extort, and kidnap (including their attack on Daryl, Abraham and Sasha on the road), and were likely to come after them eventually (like the wolves had just done). Even so, they didn't take this action lightly; after a public hearing, they chose their course reluctantly and only in exchange for desperately needed food. I don't have much of a problem with their decision to do it (their fighting skills are the only asset they have to barter); i just question their plan. Attacking without knowing the size of the enemy's forces, and the possibility of their reinforcement from unknown locations, seems like a critical error that they've only begun to pay for.

Mets Willets Point Mar 14 2016 03:59 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Mixed feelings on the most recent episode. I liked that it was basically all women (and one whiny, useless man) discussing killing one another. Thought the actress who played Paula did a good job. But felt that the writers chickened out on investigating the "who are the real good guys/bad guys" angle by making the Saviors unambiguously evil. The resolution felt too easy and the pathos unearned.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 14 2016 05:32 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I enjoyed the violence in this one, and even though you knew this was an obvious woman-focused story still thought in the end it would come down to guys. Paula's death was triple play awesome: Impaled, then eaten alive, then shot in the head at close range! I also guessed wrong twice on how many lives would be lost to the Saviors but still think there will be a hell of a price to pay beyond Carol's body-count angst.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 14 2016 06:13 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Is it just me, or was Rick too quick to kill that hostage? You'd think they'd want to get as much information out of him as possible (although perhaps they've already done so off camera, but I kinda doubt that) especially after they almost paid a steep price for executing that attack with insufficient intelligence. Since they don't know what we know (that Negan looks like Jeffrey Dean Morgan) I think that they think that they got their man.

Mets Willets Point Mar 14 2016 06:30 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

It's going to be a big "d'oh!" moment when Carol tells Rick that Negan's followers like to play the "I am Sparticus" game.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 14 2016 06:58 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Mets – Willets Point wrote: But felt that the writers chickened out on investigating the "who are the real good guys/bad guys" angle by making the Saviors unambiguously evil. The resolution felt too easy and the pathos unearned. They always do this. The entire hour/storyline/season, they're driving toward Interestingly Ambiguous Town, and one or two exits from there, they turn off into Big Honking Signifier That Lets You Off The Hook City. After an hour, I was more invested in Paula than I ever have been in, like, half the regular gang.

Vic Sage Mar 16 2016 05:10 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Because Alicia Witt.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 16 2016 05:25 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

She's terrific, isn't she?

Vic Sage Mar 16 2016 07:01 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

terrific... AND a redhead!

Mets Willets Point Mar 21 2016 06:08 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

“You know how to bite a dick, Eugene."

Vic Sage Mar 21 2016 02:05 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Nooooo.... oh, Dr. Denise, didn't you know to never become the moral conscience of this group? It's like being a drummer for SPINAL TAP. Only Glen can get away with that shit.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 21 2016 02:18 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Another Mexican standoff on the railroad tracks. Imagine! Moral conscience or not Denise died like a fool. Chattering away, nearly getting killed for a soda. You'd think only days after realizing it was foolish to take a preggo woman on a run they'd realize it was stoopit to do the same with the person who'd deliver that baby. I guess they'll have to hook up with Dr. Hilltop for that now. I predict Burnface is destined to be the first guest of Hotel Morgan.

Mets Willets Point Mar 21 2016 04:58 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

The tactic of killing off characters who are not part of the core group once they start to get interesting is really getting stale. Of course, the makers of this show are convinced that they need a steady diet of shocking deaths to create drama & that's gotten old too.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 29 2016 03:09 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I seriously doubt those are Darryl's brains on the camera lens. Could they pan back to find Carol? But I thought they made a point that she went in another direction. Can you imagine Neegan training school? "Whenever you get the first move on your enemies, and particularly when you outnumber them, be sure to monologue until your entire group is dead." Don't know why Carol would leave survivors un-stabbed in the head. Also, didn't know walkers could be taken out with a non-brain piercing blow to the side of the head as Morgan demonstrated. Also, all the Alexandrians were idiots in this episode. Good entertainment still but the same deal again and again.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 29 2016 03:18 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I seriously doubt those are Darryl's brains on the camera lens. Could they pan back to find Carol? But I thought they made a point that she went in another direction. On Talking Dead they confirmed that it was Daryl's blood that we saw. I also read an interview with Norman Reedus where he said the same. John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Also, didn't know walkers could be taken out with a non-brain piercing blow to the side of the head as Morgan demonstrated. Broken neck, severed spinal column, maybe? (Just a guess.) I wondered about that too.

Vic Sage Mar 29 2016 05:29 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

it was Daryl's blood, but not a headshot. just a flesh wound. You can here the burned face guy saying that Daryl would be all right. And yeah, i don't get the Morgan/stick thing. Broken necks don't matter. The brain has to be destroyed... shot, stabbed, pulverized. I don't think a stick to the head does sufficient damage to meet the rules.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 29 2016 05:42 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

We hear Dwight say, "You'll be all right" but he may have been saying that to Rosita.

Vic Sage Mar 30 2016 04:46 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

nobody here seriously thinks they've killed off Daryl... right?

Benjamin Grimm Mar 30 2016 05:11 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I'm guessing that they haven't. One of the producers of the show was on Talking Dead and she promised that Daryl's fate would be revealed on Sunday's episode. We're not going to be left hanging like we were with Glenn earlier this season. My hope is that they capture Daryl and force him to shampoo his hair.

TransMonk Mar 30 2016 05:16 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I never stick around for Talking Dead. Does it improve anyone's viewing experience of TWD?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 30 2016 05:22 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

The host is funny sometimes and I like how it reinforces a sense that we're not alone in a world where people just go stream anything anytime.

Vic Sage Mar 31 2016 06:41 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

yeah, that.

Mets Willets Point Apr 04 2016 06:45 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I really hated the Negan plotline in the comic books because it was tedious and drawn out and repetitive. Somehow, the tv show has made it even more so. I think I'm done with this show.

Vic Sage Apr 04 2016 03:56 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Well that was relentlessly horrible to sit through. I've loved that guy playing Negan since i first saw him nail Dr. Izzie Stevens while he died slowly from a heart condition over the course of a full season of GREY'S ANATOMY. Having also been the Comedian in "Watchmen" and the lead in "The Losers", apparently this dude is the go-to guy for comic book adaptations needing an anti-hero or charismatic bad guy. So who is it that we think got to meet Lucille there at the end? I think it's Abraham. Once he declared his willingness to start a family with Sasha, i knew he was a goner. Plus, he had that nice hug with Eugene. At first, I thought it was because they were about to kill off Eugene, but now i don't think so. Plus, Abe's not one of the core Rick group. He's been a great addition, with a particular talent for the colorful turn of phrase, but i don't think fans will feel as betrayed if he goes as we would if its one of the original group. Although i could see this being the end of the line for Glen. I think he got killed in the comic, so its not beyond the realm. I'm also intrigued by those Arthurian-style survivors who are helping Morgan and Carol. Maybe they can be recruited, along with Hilltop, to stage a massive counter-insurgency against the saviors? While watching TALKING DEAD, i was irritated by the false equivalency being made between Negan and Rick. Yes, Rick has killed, and he's had his psychotic moments from time to time, but he's been motivated by love for his family, and then his extended family, and to find a way to rebuild a civil society. Negan is clearly a sociopath who just enjoys killing. Yes, he's charismatic, but that doesn't comprise a justification for enslaving or murdering everyone he finds.

Mets Willets Point Apr 04 2016 04:08 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

* * * * * COMICS SPOILER: The person Negan kills with Lucille is Glenn. Because the show likes to keep things a surprise, I think it will not be Glenn. Also because Steven Yeun is one of the shows better actors they'd be wise to keep him employed. I think they've been setting it up for Maggie to be killed instead since she's Glenn's opposite and her character has been running on fumes for a long time and Lauren Cohan has an awful southern accent. That she's pregnant is something the lazy writers think will add extra pathos to her senseless death. * * * * *

TransMonk Apr 04 2016 05:30 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Mets – Willets Point wrote: I think I'm done with this show. Agreed. I'm not finding too many original things about this show anymore. I'm in for the second season of FTWD, but honestly, I could not care less about who got the barbed-wire baseball bat. Killing off half the cast would have gotten me more excited for next season.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 05 2016 03:23 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I'm very disappointed that they'd ended on a cliffhanger. What's the point? It's only serving to turn away guys like Willets! I thought this was the shittiest episode of the year and I've enjoyed this season! Locked your girl in a closet? WTF Carl? Another monologuing villain! Only this guy really talks... What else is there to say? There's been a few times where the zombies themselves saved our heroes and I think they'll have to do that again. Massive hoard? Or perhaps the American Horseback Gladiators...

TransMonk Apr 05 2016 02:47 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Another monologuing villain! A million times this. I think it is a prerequisite for being a savior that does more than whistle.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 09 2016 11:14 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Anyone watching FearTWD? Or just fear when it comes on? We've been giving it try despite it being an effed-up fantasy pirate shitshow and just looking for an excuse not to but that was one awesome prisoner exchange last night. Best moment of the series so far! Love when they use zombies as weapons.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 10 2016 04:23 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I like that it's becoming a multifaceted pirate shitshow, at least. I suppose it's ostensibly because it's so "early" in the post-zombie era, yet, but it's nice to see characters who aren't all cold-blooded, cigar-chomping zombie/human-killaz OR haunted, hand-wringing zombie/human-killaz.

TransMonk May 10 2016 05:04 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I'm watching. It's good but not great most of the time. I do like the different perspective on TWD themes. I'm hoping the Madison/Travis relationship gets fleshed out a bit more. It seems to me like they are finding out that their bond isn't as strong as they thought it was before all the shit went down. I think it would be interesting to see how a break up would work in confined and desperate quarters. They did include a Jason Molina song in an episode a few weeks ago. He was one of my favorite singer/songwriters, but sadly he died a couple of years ago. He was from the Chicago area so I saw him play several times (I caught his late show the night the 2006 NLCS ended). I was happy to see his songs are still being used even though he is no longer around. [youtube:1cjrbay1]NJcmOViS9kM[/youtube:1cjrbay1]

Benjamin Grimm Oct 24 2016 05:59 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

So... Who watched last night's show?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 24 2016 06:37 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

That was brutal. Calculatedly so. Well, most of it was calculated. Some of it was "ah, geez," like the somber grief montage-ing after we spend half the episode "enjoying" Negan's scenery-chewing... and then the fantasy-dinner thing after that. This show isn't a narrative, if it ever really was; it's pretty much a shock-box at this point. I mean, hell, the only reason the "big" death last night stung wasn't because he was a particularly affecting character, frankly (with all due respect to the actor, who did the best with what he was given)... he's just been around a while.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 24 2016 06:38 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Yeah, I didn't like it; Wifey walked out of the room and wouldn't watch it. Not surprised with one of the kills. I get that's what the story says, and this season is all about "re-setting" the heroes into slaves, but I just as soon would have had Carol come to the rescue with some high-powered explosives a la Terminus. Real Rick wouldn't have let that guy simply throw him around in the bus. He'd bare-knuckled tougher guys.

Vic Sage Oct 25 2016 06:41 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

i figured it would be Abraham, and i liked him going out with a "suck my nuts". But Glenn, that i didn't see coming. I get the narrative purpose, but it hurt. And not because he's been around a long time, but because he IS an affecting character, and his future with Maggie was something i cared about. So that was a tough pill to swallow. As was seeing Rick so totally broken and defeated. As was the taking of Daryl as a hostage. I don't know how long i can handle our group as slaves and victims. I really really need Carol and Morgan to ride to the rescue and get the tiger from the Kingdom to eat Negan's asshole... from the inside.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 07 2016 08:35 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I mean it's either Rick (he promised) or the Tiger who gets Neegan but geez, if you were Dwight, wouldn't you have simply grabbed the cross bow while Negan was fucking with Darryl and "accidently" put an arrow through his crotch? If you have to, make it look like Darryl did it! That said I do like how the Dwight story is coming together, thanks again to Neegan's expository monologueing. Does anyone know what the pinned zombies are for in the yard? And what the "prison workers" like the escapee are supposed to be doing there?

Benjamin Grimm Nov 07 2016 08:38 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I don't know. I haven't made any sense of that. And I don't know, something about the names "Darryl" and "Dwight" rings a bell somehow.

Vic Sage Nov 09 2016 10:33 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Great episode for Norman Reedus. His "Darryl" is truly an epic hero. "What's your name?" "Darryl." so fuck you, Negan.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 09 2016 11:43 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

He should have said "Kunta Kinte."

Mets Willets Point Nov 10 2016 08:33 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Haven't watched the new season. Been wondering if I should catch up, but now it seems too much like real life.

Vic Sage Nov 14 2016 06:33 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

another painful episode, as Negan continues to degrade Rick and his group.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 14 2016 08:34 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Yeah this was pretty lame, except moreso at 90 minutes. Seems like they could have easily used those giant cannons to keep watch and just blow the fuck out of them when they approached the gate the first time; instead they were caught completely unaware, just another missed opportunity. One thing Rick could have tried was not killing Neegan but breaking his leg or something. Just get a good Kingman type swing in while he sized up that zombie on the side of the knee. He's not much without the ability to swing the bat.

Vic Sage Nov 14 2016 10:07 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

i guess the fear is not just of Negan. If Negan were to get killed or crippled, do you think his enormous group of rather nasty followers and henchmen would just disperse and wander away? Would they think Rick for killing the wicked witch and give him Lucille in gratitude? Or would another alpha just rise up, wipe out our group of heroes, and continue a reign of terror on other groups within their reach? And if you're Rick, do you risk that sort of reprisal? I think there will come an opportunity for Rick and the gang to undermine Negan from within, among guys like Dwight, before they make a move against him. But they better do something before this season ends.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 20 2016 08:35 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

At the end of last week's episode, after Negan drove off with all of their stuff, I was thinking that the people of Alexandria should have joined hands in a circle and started singing Christmas carols. Perhaps Negan would have learned that people don't need possessions to be happy, and his heart would have grown by three sizes. He could have returned with that deer carcass that was taken from Michonne, and he could have carved that roast beast for everyone! I do hope that we get an explanation of why Darryl has to walk around dressed like Alvin from The Chipmunks.

TransMonk Dec 05 2016 10:58 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Neegan is really starting to grow on me. Jeffrey Dean Morgan does a great job. I was ready to walk away from TWD after last season, but the new season has drawn me back in and I look forward to each new episode.

Vic Sage Dec 06 2016 03:59 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Negan's got the charm of a true sociopath. Watching him hold Judith was really terrifying. But i think that this threat to his daughter will finally open Rick's eyes and realize he's made a deal with the devil that will not keep any of them safe. I'm hoping that Negan's latest demonstration of power will be his undoing. But probably not.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 20 2017 02:27 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

So the Garbage-Dump Goths look like another contrived survival strategy. At this point Tara needs to pull in the Secret Society of Waterside Women, and Carol needs to convince Ezekiel to get the Kingdom involved. Then it's a 4-front war against the Saviors, which probably won't begin until next season.

Benjamin Grimm Feb 20 2017 02:40 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: So the Garbage-Dump Goths look like another contrived survival strategy. Something about them made me feel like I was watching Beneath the Planet of the Apes.

Vic Sage Feb 23 2017 02:49 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: So the Garbage-Dump Goths look like another contrived survival strategy. Social breakdown into unique tribal societies is a trope as old as fantasy literature, and a staple of the post-apocalyptic sub-genre. I enjoy that aspect of the series. Maybe Dwight will kill Negan, pick up Lucille and start the Baseball Furies! warriors, come out to playyy-ayyy...

Vic Sage Mar 01 2017 08:26 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

a Eugene episode. Too much mullet for me all in one sitting. But we get some more Dwight development, and i'm still betting on him as the key to taking down Negan at some point.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 01 2017 08:35 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Vic Sage wrote: a Eugene episode. Too much mullet for me all in one sitting. But we get some more Dwight development, and i'm still betting on him as the key to taking down Negan at some point. I think Dwight & Eugene are both interesting, but yeah, another episode that delays the revenge and leaves me scratching my head at all the opportunities to hurt Negan that aren;t taken. I was rooting for Dwight to turn the iron on Negan during the furnace scene, for one. And if that one Negan wife wants to kill herself and get revenge on Negan, she should take those pills before she goes to bed with him, turn Z overnight and bite the guy's cock off. Surely someone as bright as Eugene could have seen that.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 01 2017 08:51 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

All this talk of "Dwight" and "Daryl" and I can't help but think of Gooden and Strawberry. Now, throw in the fact that both of them had a middle name of "Eugene" and this seems like the biggest nod to the Mets since the Seaver family on whatever that show was that had a Seaver family. They just need to show Daryl eating some strawberries next week and we'll be all set. A lot of speculation regarding where Eugene's loyalty lies. That smirk early on indicated that he was doing a "Carol" and playing a part. But I think that maybe now that he's been accepted, and told that he doesn't have to be afraid, he might have actually bought in to the "I am Negan" stuff. I find that I hope he has; it will make for a more interesting story going forward.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 07 2017 12:32 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I'm thinking maybe Bad Guy Eugene interferes with Rosita's assassination scheme. She sees herself as liberating him and he's like, "You had your chance!" Speaking of Eugene, if you can pierce a walker's head with your fist, and you can tear one in half, withstanding molten metal poured onto them seems a stretch.

Vic Sage Mar 07 2017 02:45 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I'm thinking maybe Bad Guy Eugene interferes with Rosita's assassination scheme. She sees herself as liberating him and he's like, "You had your chance!" Speaking of Eugene, if you can pierce a walker's head with your fist, and you can tear one in half, withstanding molten metal poured onto them seems a stretch. 1 - I don't believe Eugene has turned to the dark side. It's an act to survive. I do think he'll be involved in some way in saving Rosita and Sasha from their foolish assassination attempt; 2- Walkers get more fragile as they decay; the freshly dead ones would make good candidates for the molten metal treatment.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 04 2017 04:44 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

So whaddaya think of the finale? I mean, they should have known the Garbage Pail Kids couldn't be trusted. But this was fun (Carol to the rescue just in time again), and plenty still to work with next season (bromances between Gregory and Neegan, Dwight and Darryl, the Last Temptation of Rick (Garbage Pail Lady), Eugene's adventures in the Sanctuary, lots of lezbo possibilities as they recruit the Waterfront Women to fight and it seems like a great place for Carol to join up).

Benjamin Grimm Apr 04 2017 05:06 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

In the past, we've seen that Rick is willing to lean forward and take a big bite out of somebody's throat. I would think that when the guy who's telling you that he's about to kill your only son is kneeling right in front of you, it's time to invoke that option. Negan had reached back and was about to swing that bat, and Rick is doing... nothing??? At that point you jump up and do whatever you have to do to prevent that from happening. Boy, he really is a disturbing father!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 04 2017 06:38 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Hell, embrace the crazy. If you're going to go all tiger-attack/zombie-timebomb on us, let's go all the way, and give the Hilltop Folk ACTUAL armor, or have the Scavengers show up with Truck-r-saurus or something.

Vic Sage Apr 04 2017 09:11 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Shiva, the god of death in tiger form, finally strikes! yea! Ezekial makes arthurian pronouncements as he leads the Kingdom in its attack! yea! Maggie and the hilltopians shoot it out too! yea! Killer-Morgan is back! yea! Sasha goes out in style, turning herself into a suicide bomb/zombie! Even leaving a seed of hope for Eugene's possible redemption! yea! Rick finally gets Negan to blink, with his "whatever happens, i'm going to kill you" speech! yea! The garbage pail kids are sell-swords, and Negan has bank! boo! Zombie-Sasha's attack misses Negan! boo! Eugene's betrayal is genuine! boo! Rosita takes a bullet and Michonne gets her face smashed in! boo! Negan and his savior-lieutenants get back to the sanctuary to rally a shitload of troops! boo! We've now got to wait til October for the war to begin! boo!

Mets Willets Point Apr 04 2017 11:58 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Is this tiger attack a real scene from the show? I stopped watching because it was the show going off the rails, but that's awesinine enough to draw my curiosity.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 05 2017 10:37 AM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

Real and spectacular. I don't know why all those guys with guns didn't shoot it, or see it coming

TransMonk Apr 05 2017 02:08 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I imagine a sneak tiger attack would not go that smoothly IRL. It was a good ending to the season.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 23 2017 03:14 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

HAH! Negan now has a lot of broken windows to repair! Take THAT, Negan!

Vic Sage Oct 23 2017 07:27 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

TIme to put thoses shittin' pants on, padre!

Benjamin Grimm Oct 23 2017 07:39 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I would have said, "Actually, no, I'm not wearing my shittin' pants. Do you mind if I go home to get them?" The zombie horde outside that trailer probably would have made such a thing difficult in any case.

Vic Sage Oct 23 2017 07:57 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

It was good to see Daryl on his bike, blowing shit up; And Carol and Morgan in full killing mode; And Ezekial as Henry V; And Maggie willing to kick ass into her 2nd tri-mester; And Carl with his eye-patch back on; And Rick back to being Rick. This is going to be a good season.

Vic Sage Oct 30 2017 05:43 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

of course you know... THIS MEANS WAR!

Benjamin Grimm Oct 30 2017 05:56 PM Re: Rick Grimes = Disturbing Father

I'm somewhat tempted to try intentionally wetting my pants to see if it's really as difficult as that guy said it was.