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Frayed Knot Jul 29 2015 07:20 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 29 2015 07:45 PM

Rather than have this buried in the game thread, let's follow the progress (or not) of the rumored big deal, Carlos Gomez for Wilmer Flores & Zack Wheeler, here. My immediate reaction is that I like it. I have limited hopes for Flores. He turns on a pitch as well as anyone but I've yet to see him drive anything the other way (he'll direct the ball to RF but rarely if ever hard) and with almost no walks and still questionable power I don't know how high is his upside. As far as Wheeler goes, I sense that it's become fashion to knock him down a few pegs partly because of his injury but also because he didn't round into an All-Star as quickly as our other precocious youngsters. But this is still one we could look back on as the one who got away a few years from now. But you have to give up to get and I'll take the hit to our strongest part right now to get 220 or so games out of Gomez while we're in this position sitting just out of a division & WC

Centerfield Jul 29 2015 07:21 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

I don't know much about Gomez. I see he was pretty good the last few years. OPS is down nearly 100 points this year. Has he been hurt? And is he healthy now? Still pretty young I think. It seems like another lifetime ago that we sent him away.

themetfairy Jul 29 2015 07:22 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

I like the deal too. I love Wheeler, but he won't be back until the middle of next season at the very, very earliest. If CarGo can help us now, I'm good with the trade.

Frayed Knot Jul 29 2015 07:24 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

Gomez = 30 in December Yes he's been injured (Syndergaard hit him in the head among other things) only 73 of 100 games played this year but I think he's OK now - most of his missed games were in April.

Edgy MD Jul 29 2015 07:29 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

Then I'll move this question to this thread. Help me out. When did it become OK to trade a guy on the DL? Openly and explicitly and stuff? It seems that as recently as the last year or two that if such a guy was included in a deal, he would be officially designated as a PtBNL.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 29 2015 07:31 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

I can remember arguing against wasting him in the Santana deal. Obviously he was too young when he was here but his eventual stardom not a shocker. Has speed power can go get it bats RH ... all we need.

Zvon Jul 29 2015 07:32 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

Edgy MD wrote: Then I'll move this question to this thread. Help me out. When did it become OK to trade a guy on the DL? Openly and explicitly and stuff? It seems that as recently as the last year or two that if such a guy was included in a deal, he would be officially designated as a PtBNL. I really don't know but I'd say it's not official yet, so no need to call it that yet.

Centerfield Jul 29 2015 07:33 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

Frayed Knot wrote: Gomez = 30 in December Yes he's been injured (Syndergaard hit him in the head among other things) only 73 of 100 games played this year but I think he's OK now - most of his missed games were in April. Good. So he's healthy now. Hopefully he will bounce back into form.

Frayed Knot Jul 29 2015 07:37 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

Edgy MD wrote: Help me out. When did it become OK to trade a guy on the DL? Openly and explicitly and stuff? I don't know, but it certainly seems as if the attitude towards trading DL'd players has changed in recent years and maybe some written rules as well.

RealityChuck Jul 29 2015 07:49 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

Yes. I thought the rule was you can't trade a DLed player, for obvious reasons. Maybe that video of Wheeler was bait. In any case, Milwaukee is evidently confident the TJ surgery is successful. It would have been nice to have Wheeler in the rotation next year, but with Harvey, deGrom, Syndergaard, Matz, and Niese coming back (and Montero and Verret in the wings, with Fulmer around in a few years), they won't miss them. Flores has no place to play now that Uribe and Johnson are here. For the first time in ages, the Mets are making a "win now" move.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 29 2015 08:22 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

I 'm pretty sure I saw Gomez' first home, at Comerica Park in Detroit. I liked Wilmer and wish him well. I hope he develops into a solid everyday player in Milwaukee, which is a nice place.

themetfairy Jul 29 2015 08:25 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

Welcome Back CarGo!

Edgy MD Jul 29 2015 08:31 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: I 'm pretty sure I saw Gomez' first home, at Comerica Park in Detroit. Wow, what a coincidence that his first home was a big league ballpark.

Nymr83 Jul 29 2015 08:50 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

ESPN.. Terry Collins said that he did not remove Wilmer Flores from the game against the Padres because he had no idea about a pending trade. "There was nothing I knew about. Why would I take him out of the game?" Collins said. Flores was seen with tears in his eyes on the field in the 8th inning.

MFS62 Jul 29 2015 08:57 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

Edgy MD wrote: Then I'll move this question to this thread. Help me out. When did it become OK to trade a guy on the DL? Openly and explicitly and stuff? It seems that as recently as the last year or two that if such a guy was included in a deal, he would be officially designated as a PtBNL. That's how I remember the rule,too. Unless its something about the wording of the rule. The 60 days of DL have expired. Maybe he's officially on a "rehab assignment" as a way to get around the rule. I dunno. The devil is in the details. Later

Nymr83 Jul 29 2015 08:58 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

Sandy Alderson says the trade "HAS NOT AND WILL NOT TRANSPIRE" Was a bullshit rumor on social media the real cause Flores was crying?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 29 2015 08:59 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

WTF

Nymr83 Jul 29 2015 09:02 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

all the Collins bashers can eat some dick tonight, there was no trade, maybe next they can say he is responsible for monitoring twitter [u:3d4fuylj]during games[/u:3d4fuylj] and comforting his players over rumors?

Edgy MD Jul 29 2015 09:05 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

That's a lot of dick.

Frayed Knot Jul 29 2015 09:08 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

MLB.com: In addition to Wheeler and Flores, the Brewers had also asked for Triple-A IF Dilson Herrera, but the Mets refused, according to the NY Post’s Joel Sherman (July 29, 9:38 pm). So the fault of Flores not being pulled wasn't on Terry (because he was never told) or on Sandy (because he never agreed to it) but on the reporters who grossly jumped the gun on this one announcing it as all but official when it apparently was nothing of the sort.

Nymr83 Jul 29 2015 09:09 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

MLB.com: In addition to Wheeler and Flores, the Brewers had also asked for Triple-A IF Dilson Herrera, but the Mets refused, according to the NY Post’s Joel Sherman (July 29, 9:38 pm). So the fault of Flores not being pulled wasn't on Terry (because he was never told) or on Sandy (because he never agreed to it) but on the reporters who grossly jumped the gun on this one announcing it as all but official when it apparently was nothing of the sort. a certain segment of the media have always been the biggest villain in the Mets saga of losing over the past 10 years

Edgy MD Jul 29 2015 09:11 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

Oh, they'll find a way to hang the Mets for it.

Valadius Jul 29 2015 09:13 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

Joel Sherman, please call your office.

Frayed Knot Jul 29 2015 09:13 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

The earlier link to the report on MLB.com has totally disappeared as if they think this is a way for them to pretend that they didn't report this thing as a done deal hours ago. Yeah, and Sherman too.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 29 2015 09:22 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

Sounds as though the Brewers got cold feet when they saw Wheeler's health report. Somebody in the front offices must have said the deal was agreed to.

Zvon Jul 29 2015 09:38 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

Even Gomez and his team mates tweeted about it on the plane.

Frayed Knot Jul 29 2015 09:46 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

Zvon wrote: Even Gomez and his team mates tweeted about it on the plane. Sure, because they were all reading and hearing the same stuff as we are and assumed it was a done deal.

Edgy MD Jul 29 2015 09:47 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

Some reports say that Gomez was notified by the team. Maybe he's the source of the premature leak. There's a lot of "only the Mets!!" out there. Of course, it happened the day before to the Dodgers and Marlins.

TransMonk Jul 29 2015 10:04 PM Re: Carlos Redux? Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Jul 29 2015 10:11 PM

I'm against trading Wheeler and, like Edgy, I missed the memo on how a DL'd dude can be openly traded. That said, this trade would have been fleecing the Brewers, IMO. I don't know how much better Flores is over the Gennett/Segura combo the Brewers already have in the middle infield...and Wheeler won't even be ready until mid-next season. Gomez bats cleanup for them and is one of their most marketable players since the Braun debacle happened a few years ago.

Zvon Jul 29 2015 10:09 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

So am I correct in thinking that Joel Sherman threw the rock in the pond and the rest was just ripples that extended to 30,000 feet.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 29 2015 10:13 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

Incredible.

Gwreck Jul 29 2015 10:24 PM Re: Carlos Redux?

Ken Rosenthal now claiming the Mets backed out due to concerns over Gomez' hip. I also put this mess on the media. Also, I remain confused how Flores knew he was being traded if this was going down during the game.

A Boy Named Seo Jul 30 2015 12:27 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

Hell, even Crash Davis got notes delivered to him in the dugout. Not surprised Wilmer knew this shit around the time we all thought we did, too. I wasn't sure why the Brewers would make this trade. I think reality, sadly, makes a bit more sense. GIVE ME CESPEDES NOW!!!!

MFS62 Jul 30 2015 05:21 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

Frayed Knot wrote: The earlier link to the report on MLB.com has totally disappeared as if they think this is a way for them to pretend that they didn't report this thing as a done deal hours ago. Yeah, and Sherman too. Somebody should have told Tom Brady how to make e-info disappear. He wouldn't have had to destroy his phone. Later

Ashie62 Jul 30 2015 05:26 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

Just trade Colon.

MFS62 Jul 30 2015 05:54 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

Just a case of epidemic premature exultation. Later

Centerfield Jul 30 2015 06:03 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

Oh well. We battled.

Lefty Specialist Jul 30 2015 06:40 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

You know, just when you think things can't get any weirder, they do.

duan Jul 30 2015 06:51 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

Christ it's a pretty sorry mess. The issue to me is that you've only got Gomez for 15 months, and he's signed at VERY reasonable money, while hip problems can cause precipitous declines (see Albert Belle) normally it's seen as an attritional problem that worsens over time, so now they waved the biggest RED FLAG over him that anyone's ever seen and potentially damaged his future earnings and so on. Lord knows Boras is likely compiling the dossier to disprove it now.

Frayed Knot Jul 30 2015 07:31 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

I'm surprised at how NOT secret clubs are at this sort of stuff. I mean I know they've got every reporter in the world sniffing around this kind of thing, especially during this week of the year. But at heart this should be a GM-to-GM negotiation which, unless no-trade clauses and the like are involved, shouldn't require that agents be kept informed or that strategic leaks need to be doled out to the press as some sort of catalyst to get the deal done. Instead, with the rare exception (maybe Reyes/Tulo qualifies), deals that are even remotely a surprise by the time it all goes down -- or, in the case of this one, doesn't go down -- just don't seem to happen these days to the point where the press, and by extension the fans, feel they have enough information they're confident in declaring still ongoing discussions as done deals.

seawolf17 Jul 30 2015 07:39 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

I'm angry, but I'm not sure who I'm supposed to be angry at. I'm directing it at Joel Sherman for now, because as far as I can tell, he started the whole thing.

Edgy MD Jul 30 2015 07:49 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

I'm not sure, but I think a Milwaukee reporter declared the deal done first. I would speculate that he got it because somebody in the Brewers front office told Gomez the news when he was on the plane, and Gomez sat on it for about two seconds. I want to blame the Mets booth for getting all blabby, but I have to wonder how the MLB.com editors can look at themselves in the mirror this morning. If they can run the story without getting a confirmation from 24-7 Jay Horwitz, what more authoritative source so the piggybacking outlets have to confirm it with before they all fall like dominoes? Should they all have to get a confirmation from an authorized Mets source before giving a peep? It's a good time to tip a hat to Bernard Shaw — the CNN anchor who refused to report Florida won by Gore back in 2000, when everybody else ran with it.

themetfairy Jul 30 2015 07:51 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

Where was Jay Horwitz when all this was going down? Isn't it his job to set the record straight about such things?

TransMonk Jul 30 2015 07:52 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

I'm not angry. The media jumped the gun. Wasn't the first time it's happened and it certainly won't be the last. If anything, I'm relieved the Mets didn't trade for a potentially injured player. I'd be more angry if I was a Brewers fan.

Frayed Knot Jul 30 2015 08:06 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

Edgy MD wrote: I'm not sure, but I think a Milwaukee reporter declared the deal done first. I would speculate that he got it because somebody in the Brewers front office told Gomez the news when he was on the plane, and Gomez sat on it for about two seconds. Quite likely. Although that raises the question as to why the Brewer exec decided to blab about something not yet done. This is what I mean by the lack of secrecy in these deals. It seems to me that if I were a front office dude I'd want as few people in on even the existence of a potential deal until it was signed, sealed, and delivered. I want to blame the Mets booth for getting all blabby But at that point they're just commenting on what it already public news so they'd be negligent if not at least mentioning it. Sure they reported it as done as everyone else did but, again, they were just repeating what had already been said. ... but I have to wonder how the MLB.com editors can look at themselves in the mirror this morning. If they can run the story without getting a confirmation from 24-7 Jay Horwitz, what more authoritative source so the piggybacking outlets have to confirm it with before they all fall like dominoes? Should they all have to get a confirmation from an authorized Mets source before giving a peep? I'm sure there were the usual "neither team has confirmed this story yet" qualifiers even as the rest of the story made it seem as if uniform measurements were already being made. Ultimately it's the news culture now where the big boys [those under the FOX, ESPN, CBS umbrellas] are fighting to out-scoop each other (even though ESPN will ultimately take credit for everything anyway) while holding off those uppity internet dudes at the same time.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 30 2015 08:12 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

Here's my theory. The first I sensed there was anything going on was when the Mets beat guys -- Rubin, Carig, etc. -- all at once and just as the game was beginning -- tweeted that the Mets were at work on a deal for a player the fans would like. These local beat reporters since they travel with the team and do game stories, are not typically in touch with the agents that the Shermans, the Heymans and the Rosenthals are. Those guys have typically been the ones breaking the big trades, not the locals. So the local beat guys were fed something at the park. Within the hour those same local beaters were informed the target was Gomez and this idea that the Brewers always liked Flores was out there. By then the word was well traveled, Sherman and the Milwaukee guys etc etc were all on the scent etc etc. and they sussed it all out. only, as we know now Sandy at some point rejected the agreed to deal because of Gomez injury. So we know Sandy wouldn;t have told the beaters anything. They hate him anyway and he typically is tightlipped. Who would know the Mets were a making a deal for Gomez? His agent, that's who. Who's his agent? Scott Boras. Who wouldn't leak that his client was hurt? His agent. Where was Scott Boras last night? At the Mets game (Howie mentioned this during the broadcast last night).

Gwreck Jul 30 2015 08:17 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

I still don't think the Flores issue has been addressed. This happened during a game - whoever is telling Flores he was traded during a game (and it certianly wasn't Terry or Sandy) is a douchebag. Put your phone away and concentrate on the game, idiot.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 30 2015 08:18 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

Tracky's report this morning said fans sitting in the front row informed Flores of the deal.

Ceetar Jul 30 2015 08:19 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

Gwreck wrote: Ken Rosenthal now claiming the Mets backed out due to concerns over Gomez' hip. I also put this mess on the media. Also, I remain confused how Flores knew he was being traded if this was going down during the game. Flores found out from the fans. Some yelled it to him as he came off the field, plus the standing ovation. At least Sherman got the info out first though, that's what matters here.

Centerfield Jul 30 2015 08:20 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

I give everyone a pass. Media did their job, the booth discussed what was going on. Terry did the right thing in trying to win the game, and the Mets did their job passing on a guy if their medical staff gave them the thumbs down. Maybe the front office could have told Terry to pull Wilmer just in case? Whatever. Not a big deal. A strange night but I don't think anyone really is to blame. I wonder though, when you have health issues for both Wheeler and Gomez, why not look at medical records very early in the process? I mean, find out what you are getting before you bid. I'm disappointed. Gomez would have been a great pickup. Maybe in 25 years when Wilmer is being enshrined we'll look back and say "OMG CAN YOU IMAGINE IF WE HAD TRADED HIM FOR A YEAR AND A HALF OF CARLOS GOMEZ, OMG LOLZ"

Edgy MD Jul 30 2015 08:23 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

Some stories in my Yahoo news feed this morning: [list:2dhxarok][*:2dhxarok]Mets Trade for Another All-Star[/*:m:2dhxarok] [*:2dhxarok]A Look at New Brewers Pitcher Zach Wheeler[/*:m:2dhxarok] [*:2dhxarok]Britney Spears Flashes a Huge Smile While Doing a Perfect Split in a Tiny Bikini[/*:m:2dhxarok][/list:u:2dhxarok]

Gwreck Jul 30 2015 08:26 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

At the risk of sounding heartless, I am feeling a lot less sorry for Wilmer Flores if his reaction was solely to fans telling him he had been traded. Seriously, what professional player actually listens to people in the stands?

Ceetar Jul 30 2015 08:26 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

Frayed Knot wrote: I'm surprised at how NOT secret clubs are at this sort of stuff. I mean I know they've got every reporter in the world sniffing around this kind of thing, especially during this week of the year. But at heart this should be a GM-to-GM negotiation which, unless no-trade clauses and the like are involved, shouldn't require that agents be kept informed or that strategic leaks need to be doled out to the press as some sort of catalyst to get the deal done. Instead, with the rare exception (maybe Reyes/Tulo qualifies), deals that are even remotely a surprise by the time it all goes down -- or, in the case of this one, doesn't go down -- just don't seem to happen these days to the point where the press, and by extension the fans, feel they have enough information they're confident in declaring still ongoing discussions as done deals. I mean, they leak stuff all the time for various reasons, so it doesn't seem like they really care about that. Plus they seemingly use it for negotiation purposes. But also once it gets further along, other people are always involved. "Hey intern, go pull the Wheeler medicals and fax it to the brewers" Intern goes to tech guy, tech guy pulls it up and prints it. Chats about it to his cubicle neighbor. All those guys could talk. Hell, if I was a reporter I'd reach out to all the interns and grease their palms a little. "Hey, I'll put a good word in for you at 'my paper/ESPN' when you graduate, keep me in the loop" Hell, you might be able to read a changed_by date in a database and see which players are drawing interest. Centerfield wrote: I wonder though, when you have health issues for both Wheeler and Gomez, why not look at medical records very early in the process? I mean, find out what you are getting before you bid. Maybe they did, and that's why Collins had no idea. You can't look at medical records until you agree on which players to look out (as reported, Herrera might have been being discussed) so "Okay, those players, now let's see" and that leaks as "deal is done, players decided". From there, there might have been other throw in players to compensate for red flags in medical reports, hence the deal not being done. "Oh, that hip? sorry, no Flores for that. How about this guy?"

Mets – Willets Point Jul 30 2015 08:33 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

This story kind of reflects the wider culture. Of course an old-school guy like Collins isn't going to be aware of trade until he gets a message from the front office. And of course, the younger players are going to know the news (or the "news") from social media within seconds.

TransMonk Jul 30 2015 08:43 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

Gwreck wrote: At the risk of sounding heartless, I am feeling a lot less sorry for Wilmer Flores if his reaction was solely to fans telling him he had been traded. Seriously, what professional player actually listens to people in the stands? Why wouldn't he? The news he was getting from them was the same news that EVERYONE else outside the stadium was pronouncing as fact. Plus, Wilmer's reaction could have just as easily been out of confusion rather than confirmation. He's a dude who has been performing below expectations, has gone from an everyday guy to a platoon player (if not a bench player) in the past week, he has thousands of fans cheering for him and telling him (probably vague) things about his future (in a language that is most likely not his native tongue) but has not heard anything from the club that signed him as a 16 year old kid seven years ago. I'm guessing Wilmer didn't know what to think, thus some of the reaction. Who knows?

metsmarathon Jul 30 2015 08:51 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

i'm trying to figure out how this is a #LOLMETS situation. help me out. 1. mets work out tentative deal for player involving players. 2. player(s) continue to play becuase deal not yet official 3. social media reports trade as complete when trade is not yet complete. 4. mets player continues to play after hearing social media reports. 5. trade falls apart, possibly before 3, maybe before 4. 6. mets get blamed for not pulling player due to his hearing of social media reports that player was traded. are you fucking kidding me? imagine hte outcry if hte mets pulled a player out of a game because social media had reported that the player had been traded, when in actuality, the trade was never consummated. it would be epic. truly epic. fuck this noise. lgm! lgwf!

seawolf17 Jul 30 2015 08:53 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

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Frayed Knot Jul 30 2015 09:12 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

metsmarathon wrote: 2. player(s) continue to play becuase deal not yet official This was the only odd part as usually players who are even in discussion for trades are either held out or pulled out of games for fear of an in-game injury scuttling the plans of the men working the phones. That Terry wasn't informed (acc to him) and therefore Flores wasn't pulled probably should have been the first clue that maybe the deal wasn't as far along or as solid as most if not all of the reports indicated. But of course it's easier to paint Terry as clueless and/or the front office as heartless than it is to assume that 267 different media reports are inaccurate (even if most of them are merely copying each other and giving the illusion of multiple confirmations).

Edgy MD Jul 30 2015 09:22 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

metsmarathon wrote: are you fucking kidding me? imagine hte outcry if hte mets pulled a player out of a game because social media had reported that the player had been traded, when in actuality, the trade was never consummated. it would be epic. truly epic. fuck this noise. lgm! lgwf! Preach.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 30 2015 09:28 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

Don't look now but reports out of Milwaukee suggesting the medical issue came up only after Brewers refused to pay some of Go-go's salary.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 30 2015 09:31 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

It's feeling a LITTLE more legitimately #LOLMETS this morning, as the Brewers, Melvin, Boras, and the absolute lack of a prior hip issue appear to cast shade on the reported Met medical objection. I'm feeling angry. Why am I so pissed about this missed opportunity? Help me work through my feelings, especially since I've got an off day today, and I don't want to have to feed them with nervous guacamole intake and compulsive masturbation.

Ceetar Jul 30 2015 09:33 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

Gomez missed most of 10 days (some DH time) because of a hip issue..6 weeks ago. Probably the only reason he wasn't DL'd (#LOLBrewers playing short) was because it'd look bad when they tried to trade him? And his stats are down this year. related? perhaps. It's certainly a cause for concern, and I haven't seen the medical report.

TransMonk Jul 30 2015 09:39 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

Agent, Brewers dispute claims that Carlos Gomez has hip issue ="Tom Haudricourt of the [Milwaukee] Journal Sentinel"]So, what really happened that led to the Mets calling off the deal? A source familiar with the talks on both sides said a series of events that were actually financial, not medical, were the key factors. That source said in initial talks, the Mets wanted the Brewers to take centerfielder Juan Lagares in the trade. The Brewers said no, in part because Lagares has an elbow issue but also because he has a four-year, $23 million contract extension that kicks in next year and they didn't want to pick up the money. So, after further talks, it was decided that the Brewers would take Flores in addition to Wheeler, who is recovering from Tommy John surgery and won't be able to pitch before next June. The source said the Mets then asked the Brewers to throw in the 2016 Competitive Balance Round B pick they were recently awarded and the Brewers said no. The source said the Brewers then were asked to put some money in the trade to cover part of what's remaining on Gomez's contract, including a $9 million salary next year. Considering the talent level of Gomez and his reasonable contract, the Brewers understandably declined to put any cash into the deal. It was only then, according to the source, that the Mets came back and said they were calling off the deal because of concerns over Gomez's medical records. So, this became a financial issue in the end, which many people would say is not surprising considering the financial constraints the Mets have been operating under in recent years.

Edgy MD Jul 30 2015 09:43 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

Player's performance declines: "He doesn't suck, he's hurt! He'll stop hurting soon, you just wait!" Player's contract status is compromised by his injury: "He's not hurt, he just sucks! He'll stop sucking soon, you just wait!"

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 30 2015 09:47 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

Ceetar wrote: Gomez missed most of 10 days (some DH time) because of a hip issue..6 weeks ago. Probably the only reason he wasn't DL'd (#LOLBrewers playing short) was because it'd look bad when they tried to trade him? And his stats are down this year. related? perhaps. It's certainly a cause for concern, and I haven't seen the medical report. Hamstrung by hamstrings earlier, IIRC. BUT fair enough. ... although he was cleared by Brewers docs and he's been posting his best month with the bat this year since.

Edgy MD Jul 30 2015 10:13 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

metsmarathon Jul 30 2015 11:18 AM Re: Carlos Redux?

i have no problem with teh mets saying that tehy would accept gomez' medical concerns at a price somewhat less than $9M, and not being willing to accept those medical concerns at a price equal to $9M. medical uncertainty = financial risk, for all players and for all teams everywhere and forever.