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So now what?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 30 2015 08:47 AM

I mean, what reverberations? This trade leak totally upended ebrything -- word out now that Gomez is hurt, that the Mets are looking beyond Flores and Wheeler and possibly Lagares (!) In the meantime we still have a club to improve. Assuming they want a center fielder who hits home runs, can lead off and bats righthanded, I think they're SOL. Other center fielders from noncontenders are kinda weak - best I could come up with was Charlie Blackmon of Colorado -- some power and wheels, but bats lefthanded and poorly vs. LHP, and not quite the same guy away from Coors. Michael Borne is a trainwreck and has at least $26 million coming to him. If we go off center fielders that means goodbye for now to Conforto and continuing to struggle with a Kirk-Lagares platoon. Of that group, looks like Jay Bruce (LH) or Yoenis Cespendes (RH) are the best bet, both guys have 17 HRs and the same 125 OPS+, Bruce more OBP-y than Cespedes. We could also turn attention to SS which would bring me back to Reyes! What next??

seawolf17 Jul 30 2015 08:54 AM Re: So now what?

Reyes and Carlos Gonzalez from the Rockies? Flores, Niese, Nimmo, Montero enough? I don't know.

d'Kong76 Jul 30 2015 08:56 AM Re: So now what?

I think they're done.

Ceetar Jul 30 2015 08:57 AM Re: So now what?

Montero 'had soreness' in his last workout. so.. Wonder how hardcore Sandy can be. Staunchly walk away from deal based on hip, and now that it's been so blown up, is anyone else going to match that offer? Can he come back tomorrow morning with like "fine, if you really want to deal him, you can have just Wheeler?"

Edgy MD Jul 30 2015 09:12 AM Re: So now what?

There may not be anything forthcoming. But I have no doubt they're working hard to close a plan B. If they don't, Sandy will tell how they're continuing to explore the post-deadline waiver trade market. And hate will rain from the skies.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 30 2015 09:38 AM Re: So now what?

Ceetar wrote: Montero 'had soreness' in his last workout. so.. Wonder how hardcore Sandy can be. Staunchly walk away from deal based on hip, and now that it's been so blown up, is anyone else going to match that offer? Can he come back tomorrow morning with like "fine, if you really want to deal him, you can have just Wheeler?" The thought is appealing. But I think ego/insult would trump desperation on the Brewers' part in this particular instance. I hate to make the boring, safe bet, but I think they're done. And judging from the guys who make it through waivers, well, there doesn't appear to be the payroll flexibility for Sandy to make a significant post-deadline move.

TransMonk Jul 30 2015 09:41 AM Re: So now what?

I'm in agreement with most. I'd be surprised at any further (significant) action by Sandy and the Mets.

seawolf17 Jul 30 2015 09:49 AM Re: So now what?

"We'll be getting Michael Cuddyer back, and that's like adding a superstar in trade. He got a ball through the infield MORE THAN ONCE already this season, and it's only July."

Ceetar Jul 30 2015 09:56 AM Re: So now what?

seawolf17 wrote: "We'll be getting Michael Cuddyer back, and that's like adding a superstar in trade. He got a ball through the infield MORE THAN ONCE already this season, and it's only July." David Wright's working out ,and if Cuddyer does come back with a healthy knee, that probably is plenty. Those are still various levels of 'IF' though.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 30 2015 10:22 AM Re: So now what?

ESPN's Mark Simon suggests Rajai Davis of Detroit, who has very good speed, a positive 3-position glove and, well, he owns his own bats.

Edgy MD Jul 30 2015 10:28 AM Re: So now what?

Yeah, that's sorta Lagares without the upside. Likely comes cheap, but arguably makes things more crowded but not necessarily better. He knocks Campbell off the roster, but maybe wouldn't play much more unless Terry fell in love with him and used him as an excuse to knock Granderson out of the leadoff spot. You talk to me about Detroit, and I see J.D. Martinez and Yoenis Cespedes and my eyes wander not toward Rajai Davis.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 30 2015 10:42 AM Re: So now what?

Ben Revere?

Nymr83 Jul 30 2015 10:57 AM Re: So now what?

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Ben Revere? GAG i'd compare his bat to Rey Ordonez, but i don;t want to insult Rey's comparatively awesome power.

Frayed Knot Jul 30 2015 10:58 AM Re: So now what?

Yeah, I don't Revere Ben either.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 30 2015 11:23 AM Re: So now what?

Well he's riding his horse all over Juan+Kirk's 70something OPS

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 30 2015 11:32 AM Re: So now what?

Upon further review, I kinda like the Davis idea-- MLB-average bat, plus-plus speed and glove. Another incremental improvement, making the lineup and bench longer. Plus, local-ish guy (CT).

seawolf17 Jul 30 2015 11:44 AM Re: So now what?

Bleh on Rajai Davis.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 30 2015 12:28 PM Re: So now what?

Is there any doubt that this little hatchet job is the doing of one Scott Boras? Milwuakee reporter says Mets backed off Gomez deal due to money, not medicals [url]http://metsblog.com/metsblog/milwuakee-reporter-says-mets-backed-off-gomez-deal-due-to-money-not-medicals/ Fits the Mets narrative and pretends his client's injury -- and declining production -- isn't a factor.

TransMonk Jul 30 2015 01:02 PM Re: So now what?

I'm not against another bullpen arm if one can be had. I'm not sure who that arm is or where they come from, but with Clippard replacing Mejia instead of being another option, the pen is not too much better off than a week ago. The seventh inning scares me...especially on Colon/Niese days.

RealityChuck Jul 30 2015 01:14 PM Re: So now what?

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Is there any doubt that this little hatchet job is the doing of one Scott Boras? Milwuakee reporter says Mets backed off Gomez deal due to money, not medicals [url]http://metsblog.com/metsblog/milwuakee-reporter-says-mets-backed-off-gomez-deal-due-to-money-not-medicals/ That doesn't make much sense. The Mets knew what Gomez was owed. If that was an issue, it would have been mentioned up front, not when everything else was in place. Besides, next year Colon comes off the books (I assume they won't re-sign him), which means Gomez's salary is actually a decrease in payroll.

MFS62 Jul 30 2015 01:36 PM Re: So now what?

Joel Sherman is now twitting that he has a "gut feel" that the Mets will now obtain lefty hitting Josh Reddick before the deadline. I wonder how fast that will go viral? He has played some center, but primarily has been a corner outfielder. Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 30 2015 02:13 PM Re: So now what?

I don't see gut feelings on Reddick anywhere in Sherman's feed.

MFS62 Jul 30 2015 02:43 PM Re: So now what?

Joel Sherman ? @ Joelsherman1After canceling the Gomez trade, I have a gut feeling the #Mets are going to land Josh Reddick before the deadline Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 30 2015 05:06 PM Re: So now what?

Not seeing any of that in his feed (or anywhere else), either. I mean, I'd take it and like it. I like his bat, his game, AND his careless whispering.

Frayed Knot Jul 30 2015 06:12 PM Re: So now what?

Our previously season-long strong bullpen is suddenly misbehaving big time. The fortifying move of bringing in Clip-Art now looks like a fortuitous act of desperation.

Frayed Knot Jul 30 2015 09:22 PM Re: So now what?

Ken Rosenthal is talking about a Wheeler for Jay Bruce deal "possibly with one other player involved" (doesn't say which way). < 17 hours left.

Edgy MD Jul 30 2015 09:25 PM Re: So now what?

Would mean two months of Grandy in center.

Zvon Jul 30 2015 09:30 PM Re: So now what?

Edgy MD wrote: Would mean two months of Grandy in center. He can play left. Probably should be playing left with that noodle arm.

Centerfield Jul 30 2015 09:49 PM Re: So now what?

seawolf17 wrote: Reyes and Carlos Gonzalez from the Rockies? Flores, Niese, Nimmo, Montero enough? I don't know. That's a lot of money coming back. If only the Mets played in NY.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 31 2015 04:25 AM Re: So now what?

I like the Jay Bruce idea better. But does that push Conforto back to Vegas? What does that do to Cuddy?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2015 04:47 AM Re: So now what?

The speculation I read is that it puts Grandyman in center. That's not ideal.

MFS62 Jul 31 2015 06:54 AM Re: So now what?

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: The speculation I read is that it puts Grandyman in center. That's not ideal. The pitchers will just have to bear down and strike out more hitters. Later

TransMonk Jul 31 2015 07:18 AM Re: So now what?

Grandy in center would be an adventure and I still dislike giving up Wheeler. It will be very interesting to see who else the Mets add to the deal and/or if Cincy throws in any cash should a trade happen.

Edgy MD Jul 31 2015 07:31 AM Re: So now what?

The ever-reliable Joel Sherman reports that the availability of Wheeler is linked to the emergence is Michael Fulmer: 6-2 / 1.88 at Bingo, with 83 strikeouts and 23 walks in 86 innings. I'm wondering if AA Fulmer or Wounded Wheeler is a better chip on the market.

Ceetar Jul 31 2015 07:39 AM Re: So now what?

Edgy MD wrote: The ever-reliable Joel Sherman reports that the availability of Wheeler is linked to the emergence is Michael Fulmer: 6-2 / 1.88 at Bingo, with 83 strikeouts and 23 walks in 86 innings. I'm wondering if AA Fulmer or Wounded Wheeler is a better chip on the market. I'd probably rather trade Fulmer than Wheeler if he had/had higher value.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2015 07:46 AM Re: So now what?

Edgy MD wrote: The ever-reliable Joel Sherman reports that the availability of Wheeler is linked to the emergence is Michael Fulmer: 6-2 / 1.88 at Bingo, with 83 strikeouts and 23 walks in 86 innings. I'm wondering if AA Fulmer or Wounded Wheeler is a better chip on the market. Not for nothing but I believe guys who get traded tend to get traded. I'm a Wheeler Dealer.

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2015 07:47 AM Re: So now what?

Fuller would provide the trading partner (or the Mets for that matter) the full six years of control rather than Wheeler who'll be only around 3+ by the time he gets back to pitching (FA after 2020 season vs probably 2023) Balance that out with the less "dynamic" stuff and the unproven nature of never having pitched in the bigs for Fulmer and it adds up to ... I dunno, take your pick.

d'Kong76 Jul 31 2015 08:30 AM Re: So now what?

T-minus 05:30:00 and counting...

seawolf17 Jul 31 2015 08:44 AM Re: So now what?

I'm really torn between WHY CAN'T THIS TEAM DO ONE FRICKING THING RIGHT FOR ONCE and WHY ARE WE SO FRICKING DEMANDING IT'S JUST A BASEBALL TEAM.

d'Kong76 Jul 31 2015 08:48 AM Re: So now what?

I'm still numb from the last two games and the going's on in them.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2015 08:51 AM Re: So now what?

These past 24 hours were absolute murder on me. This has been the most exhilarating and stressful trade deadline for the Mets in forever.

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2015 09:01 AM Re: So now what?

Eh. I usually find myself more apprehensive about what might happen at these deadlines, more fraidy-scared, IOW, about what we might lose than about anticipating what we might get. That said I've been OK with the relatively low-key deals so far, and while I approved of the aborted Gomez deal I can live with four more years of Wheeler & Flores and/or having them as chips for future stuff. On the other hand I'm sick to death about yesterday's game, apprehensive about this upcoming series, and worried about our suddenly shaky bullpen.

TransMonk Jul 31 2015 09:28 AM Re: So now what?

Frayed Knot wrote: Eh. I usually find myself more apprehensive about what might happen at these deadlines, more fraidy-scared, IOW, about what we might lose than about anticipating what we might get. That said I've been OK with the relatively low-key deals so far, and while I approved of the aborted Gomez deal I can live with four more years of Wheeler & Flores and/or having them as chips for future stuff. On the other hand I'm sick to death about yesterday's game, apprehensive about this upcoming series, and worried about our suddenly shaky bullpen. I'm in agreement with all of these statements. I'm more worried about the next three games than I am about what happens at the deadline.

Vic Sage Jul 31 2015 09:30 AM Re: So now what?

I'm not excited by Bruce. He's a LHed RFer with a huge platoon split and he forces Grandy to CF, but yet he's preferable to a Coespedes or Upton because he's signed for 1 more year? So fucking what? He'll end up sitting against some LHPs, and won't be able to produce in Citi the way he did in Cinncy (check his home/away splits). So Wheeler for Bruce is stupid. Yes, he's better than Nieuhenheis and Lagares offensively, but not as much as it would seem, and he hurts our CF defense. This move won't help us down the stretch OR next year. If they're so willing to move Wheeler, do it in a move that will make an impact right now. Gomez was the move to make, and they bailed because of money, not hip issues. that's a bullshit cover. they knew he had a hip issue when they made the deal in the first place, they just wanted to squeeze some cash out of the Brewers and they probably told Sandy to go fuck himself. So Houston said fine, send that solid CFer to us.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2015 09:33 AM Re: So now what?

It's all of it. But I need to say this: The Mets have been so very close to tapping an energy in the fan base like they haven't experienced in years. I think part of the fun of this is the sense that a trade brings a momentum to the team at a critical point in the year. And shirley this is a critical time! I dunno. There is a massive, pent-up plague of pennant fever that can be unleashed on this fan base. Sandy knows this too. It just needs the right trigger at the right moment.

Edgy MD Jul 31 2015 09:37 AM Re: So now what?

Vic Sage wrote: Gomez was the move to make, and they bailed because of money, not hip issues. that's a bullshit cover. they knew he had a hip issue when they made the deal in the first place They even more explicitly knew he had a salary in the first place.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2015 09:41 AM Re: So now what?

Bruce shouldn't be unexciting. He's not ideal inasmuch as he's not a CF, hits LH, etc., but he's got the 15th highest OPS in the National League, and look: April-.713 May-.754 June-.840 July-.985 Don;t see how that wont help in the stretch. Can't see why he wouldn't be tradeable in December.

Ceetar Jul 31 2015 09:50 AM Re: So now what?

Bruce is good, and healthy. He's only 28. His Career splits against lefties aren't horrible. And it's a trade there, because if he does hurt the defense( right now he'd play right with Curtis in left?) it's probably because either they got someone else or Cuddyer is back and hitting lefties.

seawolf17 Jul 31 2015 10:17 AM Re: So now what?

I'm okay with Bruce. He's basically Lucas Duda without the walks, but he certainly gives us more than Cuddyer/Kirk does.

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2015 10:25 AM Re: So now what?

I'm surprised no one has brought up the most Mets-ian scenario of them all: We trade for Justin Upton but wind up missing out on the post-season by one game ... yesterday's game.

Edgy MD Jul 31 2015 10:32 AM Re: So now what?

seawolf17 wrote: I'm okay with Bruce. He's basically Lucas Duda without the walks, but he certainly gives us more than Cuddyer/Kirk does. Plus... arm porn! Mets have a history of buying right fielders mid-season with big gunzz: Claudell Washington, Ellis Valentine, Richard Hidalgo, Jeff Francoeur...

Vic Sage Jul 31 2015 10:41 AM Re: So now what?

Ceetar wrote: Bruce is good, and healthy. He's only 28. His Career splits against lefties aren't horrible. And it's a trade there, because if he does hurt the defense( right now he'd play right with Curtis in left?) it's probably because either they got someone else or Cuddyer is back and hitting lefties. i guess it depends on how you define "horrible". The platoon differential in OPS is 90 points (.820-.730), dropping him from a productive hitter to a hitter that's not so much. Maybe not horrible, but not good. But more pronounced is his 100+ home/away split (.845 -.743), indicating how much the Great American Ballpark has inflated his numbers. And if Grandy plays LF, then you still have a NIeuhy/Lagares platoon in CF and no place for Conforto or Cuddyer. So yes, i guess it'd be a slight overall improvement in our offense, replacing Cuddyer/Comforto with the road version of Bruce (with Cuddyer against LHP [eventually] and Conforto back in AA). And it probably improves our overall defense in that alignment, with Grandy going to LF and Bruce's arm in RF. But is this upgrade enough? Does it fix our leadoff problem? Our LH/RH imbalance? Our offensive hole in CF? no, it just gives us another .250 hitter who can hit it out of certain parks. Color me unexcited, considering Gomez actually did fit all those criteria.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2015 10:58 AM Re: So now what?

Latest: Reds balky at Wheeler, Mets looking elsewhere. Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1 1m1 minute ago #Mets are talking lots of scenarios and believe they will get bat(s)

Edgy MD Jul 31 2015 11:03 AM Re: So now what?

A lot of cold twitter water being thrown on Bruce stories in the last hour and a half.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2015 11:06 AM Re: So now what?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Not seeing any of that in his feed (or anywhere else), either. I mean, I'd take it and like it. I like his bat, his game, AND his careless whispering. I'm not trying to call anyone out here but this was bothering me since I'm a bit of the designated Joel Sherman Defender here -- IMO he's solid, fair, usually accurate, often first -- and I read him enough to know doesn't traffic in 'gut feelings' -- he's a journo. Not to mention I suck him up and never saw the tweet. Anyway I Topsy'd the above tweet and -- That's not Joel Sherman. That's some guy on the Internet with 61 followers.

Edgy MD Jul 31 2015 11:12 AM Re: So now what?

Sixty-one followers? Where do I sign up for that action?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2015 11:14 AM Re: So now what? Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 31 2015 12:10 PM

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Edgy MD Jul 31 2015 11:25 AM Re: So now what?

MFS62 wrote: Joel Sherman ? @ Joelsherman1After canceling the Gomez trade, I have a gut feeling the #Mets are going to land Josh Reddick before the deadline Later My guess is our colleague isn't a particularly sophisticated Twitter user (I share his shame), and mistook a tweet that appeared under Sherman's profile (because it led with @Joelsherman1) as coming from Sherman himself.

d'Kong76 Jul 31 2015 11:30 AM Re: So now what?

T-minus 02:30:00 and counting...

seawolf17 Jul 31 2015 12:03 PM Re: So now what?

Frayed Knot wrote: I'm surprised no one has brought up the most Mets-ian scenario of them all: We trade for Justin Upton but wind up missing out on the post-season by one game ... yesterday's game. No, the most Mets-ian scenario is that PLUS the Mets needing the Diamondbacks to win on the last game of the season but Carlos Gomez, Astro, makes a game-saving catch.

d'Kong76 Jul 31 2015 12:05 PM Re: So now what?

seawolf17 wrote: No, the most Mets-ian scenario is that PLUS the Mets needing the Diamondbacks to win on the last game of the season but Carlos Gomez, Astro, makes a game-saving catch. That's some dark shit lol!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2015 12:09 PM Re: So now what?

Edgy MD wrote: MFS62 wrote: Joel Sherman ? @ Joelsherman1After canceling the Gomez trade, I have a gut feeling the #Mets are going to land Josh Reddick before the deadline Later My guess is our colleague isn't a particularly sophisticated Twitter user (I share his shame), and mistook a tweet that appeared under Sherman's profile (because it led with @Joelsherman1) as coming from Sherman himself. You are probably right. This deadline has me flummoxed

d'Kong76 Jul 31 2015 12:23 PM Re: So now what?

The suspense is maddening! I hope it lasts!

Edgy MD Jul 31 2015 12:32 PM Re: So now what?

Terry just asked David Wright to talk with a crying Sandy Alderson. #notgood

MFS62 Jul 31 2015 07:07 PM Re: So now what?

Edgy MD wrote: MFS62 wrote: Joel Sherman ? @ Joelsherman1After canceling the Gomez trade, I have a gut feeling the #Mets are going to land Josh Reddick before the deadline Later My guess is our colleague isn't a particularly sophisticated Twitter user (I share his shame), and mistook a tweet that appeared under Sherman's profile (because it led with @Joelsherman1) as coming from Sherman himself. Yes. I am now holding my head down. Oh, the shame! I hat this new (to me) Twitting stuff. Later