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IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Ceetar Aug 25 2015 06:01 AM

How can the Mets top last night? Let's see! Thor vs Jerome Williams, who the Mets have already seen twice this year and scored seven earned runs in 11 innings. That's 8 runs, five walks, 15 hits and 2 home runs over 11 innings, in which he's got a 5.73 ERA against the Mets.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 25 2015 06:09 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

My prediction: Mets 16, Phillies 7. A strong outing by Syndergaard in Citizens Bank Park would be very welcome, but I expect he'll struggle. The way the Mets have been hitting lately gives me hope that they can overcome whatever hole Syndergaard might put them in.

Lefty Specialist Aug 25 2015 06:23 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Where do you go from up? I think we learned last night that getting into the Phillies bullpen is a really good idea.

d'Kong76 Aug 25 2015 06:45 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

NY Mets at Philadelphia When: 7:05 PM ET, Tuesday, August 25, 2015 Where: Citizens Bank Park, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania SportsDirect Inc. The New York Mets have been flexing their offensive muscle en route to extending their lead in the National League East. The Mets vie for their fifth consecutive victory overall and 10th in 11 meetings this season against the Philadelphia Phillies on Tuesday when the division rivals continue their four-game series at Citizens Bank Park. Wilmer Flores belted two of his team's franchise-high eight homers and had five RBIs in Monday's series-opening 16-7 triumph for the Mets, who have recorded a staggering 49 runs in their last four games. The 24-year-old Venezuelan is 12-for-27 with 10 RBIs and as many runs scored during his six-game hitting streak, but is 0-for-5 versus Tuesday starter Jerome Williams. While New York padded its cushion to a season-high 5 1/2 games over second-place Washington, Philadelphia saw its three-game winning streak halted and fell to 21-13 since the All-Star break. The Phillies' Andres Blanco is 11-for-28 with six runs scored during his seven-game hitting streak. TV: 7:05 p.m. ET, SNY (New York), CSN Philadelphia PITCHING MATCHUP: Mets RH Noah Syndergaard (7-6, 3.17 ERA) vs. Phillies RH Jerome Williams (4-9, 6.10) Syndergaard has struggled mightily on the road, limping to an 0-5 mark after allowing three runs on eight hits in five innings in a no-decision against Baltimore on Wednesday. The 22-year-old looks to rebound versus Philadelphia, against which he scattered six hits in 7 1/3 frames en route to a 7-0 rout May 27. Syndergaard dropped his next two starts following that outing before posting a 5-2 mark in his last 10 starts. After three solid starts, Williams was blitzed for eight runs on as many hits in 1 2/3 innings of a 9-7 loss to Miami on Thursday. The 33-year-old surrendered two homers and issued four walks in his short stay on the mound, but looks to rebound in his third meeting with the Mets this season. Williams struggled in his previous two appearances versus New York, allowing five runs on 10 hits in a 6-1 setback on April 15 before issuing four walks in a no-decision on May 26. WALK-OFFS: 1. New York 2B Daniel Murphy, who homered Monday, is 10-for-23 with nine RBIs in his last five contests. 2. Philadelphia SS Freddy Galvis is 8-for-19 with four runs scored during his five-game hitting streak. 3. Mets 3B David Wright also went deep Monday, marking his 20th homer at Citizens Bank Park - the most of any visiting player.

MFS62 Aug 25 2015 07:49 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Lefty Specialist wrote: Where do you go from up? I'm sure there's someone hanging out near your local schoolyard who will be glad to sell you something that will answer that question. Later

batmagadanleadoff Aug 25 2015 11:55 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

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Benjamin Grimm Aug 25 2015 11:58 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

That picture again????? We're doomed!

d'Kong76 Aug 25 2015 01:41 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Hernandez, 2B Galvis, SS Herrera, CF Megdal, 1B Blanco, 3B Asche, LF Brown, RF Ruiz, C Williams, P

Edgy MD Aug 25 2015 01:46 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

I think I've spotted the interloper.

d'Kong76 Aug 25 2015 01:49 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Just checking to see if anyone's paying attention! Hernandez, 2B Galvis, SS Herrera, CF Howard, 1B Blanco, 3B Asche, LF Brown, RF Ruiz, C Williams, P

d'Kong76 Aug 25 2015 02:33 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

@cgrand3 RF @ynscspds CF Murphy 1B #DavidWright 3B Johnson 2B Flores SS @mconforto8 LF d’Arnaud C @Noahsyndergaard P @kcmets #cpftoocool

Edgy MD Aug 25 2015 02:41 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Me, I flip/flop Wright and Cespedes. Then I flip/flop Conforto and Johnson. From day-to-day, I can't suss out the reasoning with regard to these lineups. From day-to-day, it mostly doesn't seem to be an issue.

sharpie Aug 25 2015 03:55 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

I'm liking all of the different lineups. Keeps 'em on their toes. Also, other than Recker there seem to be no true backup players on this team. Everyone gets several starts a week.

TransMonk Aug 25 2015 04:02 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Sitting Granderson against the lefty yesterday was big in my book. It finally convinced me that he may know what he's doing now that he has so many parts to play with in the lineup.

Centerfield Aug 25 2015 04:32 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Let's score 20.

Edgy MD Aug 25 2015 05:09 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

I tuned in and Ronnie is asking "How can you not, in a game like last night, knock somebody down?" Ronnie, Cespedes got hit hard.

Edgy MD Aug 25 2015 05:11 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Nice knowing you, Daniel Murphy. Wear some extra armor out there.

Edgy MD Aug 25 2015 05:21 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

By the way, you've got a road trip to Baltimore and Phillie, whose dumb idea was it to send the team to Denver in between? Who make an itinerary like that, Steve Miller?

Edgy MD Aug 25 2015 05:23 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Murphy to his left! Murphy to his right! I don't care As long as he comes tonight!

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2015 05:34 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Early update from around the league: 3-0 good guys in Philly 2-0 Good guys in Washington 5-0 Good guys in the Bronx The Astros top-1st was funny. Jose Altuve makes an out on the 1st pitch of the game. 10 batters later he made the 3rd out of the inning on the first pitch of the AB. Lots of fun in between.

themetfairy Aug 25 2015 06:00 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

This place is a bandbox, isn't it?

Ashie62 Aug 25 2015 06:10 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Noah gives up his share of knocks.

Lefty Specialist Aug 25 2015 06:16 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Not topping last night, so far.

Edgy MD Aug 25 2015 06:44 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Yeah, I was told this would be the third-best game of the season. What's up with that?!

Edgy MD Aug 25 2015 06:49 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Strike two was your pitch, Davey.

Lefty Specialist Aug 25 2015 06:52 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

OK, you got into their bullpen, Mets. Now do something with the opportunity.

themetfairy Aug 25 2015 07:02 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

And Thor is off the hook!

themetfairy Aug 25 2015 07:04 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

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Lefty Specialist Aug 25 2015 07:05 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Now, THAT'S what I'm talking about.

Edgy MD Aug 25 2015 07:07 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

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Lefty Specialist Aug 25 2015 07:12 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

CowDuffy!!!!

Nymr83 Aug 25 2015 07:14 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Fman99 Aug 25 2015 07:18 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

I have grown weary of O'PunchingBag.

Lefty Specialist Aug 25 2015 07:19 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Time to pull the ripcord on Erin O'Flaherty, Sandy.

Nymr83 Aug 25 2015 07:21 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Fman99 wrote: I have grown weary of O'PunchingBag. relievers stats feel like random luck sometimes, but 18 K, 13 BB, 40 H in 26 innings feels like a guy who shouldnt be pitching.

Zvon Aug 25 2015 07:22 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Nymr83 wrote: OOO, niiice. We can't give this one back.

Nymr83 Aug 25 2015 07:23 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

we'll just score more runs, its what we do, right?

Nymr83 Aug 25 2015 07:24 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

i'll trade the out for the run there. Philly phield plays like pre-humidor Coors

Zvon Aug 25 2015 07:27 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

I wasn't feeling it earlier. Surprised they came back and more surprised Cuddy managed not to fly out when he muscled that single to center. That was an important piece of hitting.

Edgy MD Aug 25 2015 07:27 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Gotta get nine more outs. Yes, I go to Clippard in the seventh.

Edgy MD Aug 25 2015 07:30 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Which Met hit the most homers at the Vet? Gotta go with Straw.

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2015 07:30 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore? Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 25 2015 07:31 PM

Nats have scored 8 un-answered since I last checked in here, so we're going to have to keep the lead on our own. Astros up 12-0. Haven't seen anything there since the 1st but it sounds like they're having fun. oe: and when I say 12-0 I mean 15-0

Edgy MD Aug 25 2015 07:31 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

#smarterthangary

Edgy MD Aug 25 2015 07:37 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Shoulda pinch-hit for Johnson there.

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2015 07:42 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Edgy MD wrote: Shoulda pinch-hit for Johnson there. Mebbe, and, if so, Ruben would be the logical choice. But KJ actually has slightly better career numbers vs LHP as compared to vs RHP

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2015 07:43 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

What the fuck are the Phillies pissed off at? I'd be mad if I were Robles & Mets.

Edgy MD Aug 25 2015 07:44 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Get off the field, Phillies.

Zvon Aug 25 2015 07:44 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Didn't the Philly player call time? Why are the Phils pissed?

themetfairy Aug 25 2015 07:44 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Phuck you Frenchie - shut your mouth you looser!

Zvon Aug 25 2015 07:45 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

The ump called time by himself, w/o a request?

HahnSolo Aug 25 2015 07:47 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Pay attention in the box. And fuck Larry Bowa.

Edgy MD Aug 25 2015 07:48 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Tonight's most fascinating person behind home plate is Pre-School Girl Captivated by Yearbook.

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2015 07:49 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Maybe I need to see it again, but I missed whatever "crime" it was that Robles committed.

Zvon Aug 25 2015 07:49 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Niiiiice Rowbie. Edgy MD wrote: Tonight's most fascinating person behind home plate is Pre-School Girl Captivated by Yearbook. Did you see the lady in love with Wrights homer last night?

Ceetar Aug 25 2015 07:57 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Tried to read Frenchy's lips, I think he said "Come on! This isn't fair, you're too good! give us a chance!"

Rockin' Doc Aug 25 2015 07:57 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Driving D'Arnaud home with an insurance run would make me feel a lot better.

HahnSolo Aug 25 2015 08:11 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

2 on 1 out. Big spot for Clippard here.

Zvon Aug 25 2015 08:13 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Niiiice Clippy. OOOOO, goin to Familia for four.

HahnSolo Aug 25 2015 08:13 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Edgy MD wrote: Tonight's most fascinating person behind home plate is Pre-School Girl Captivated by Yearbook. I like Cespedes arm sleeve guy.

Edgy MD Aug 25 2015 08:14 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Familia looking for four.

Rockin' Doc Aug 25 2015 08:14 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Still not out of the inning yet, but that was a big strike out.

d'Kong76 Aug 25 2015 08:16 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Not happy with 4 out saves in this park and situation.

Edgy MD Aug 25 2015 08:20 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Nice to see Wright make that play without shuffling his hands and feets. Whew.

Zvon Aug 25 2015 08:20 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Niiiice. Ruiz is such a thorn. Glad he didn't stick it to us there. Made Fammy work though.

Frayed Knot Aug 25 2015 08:21 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

I've liked all of Terry's relief moves so far. Liked that he stuck with Robles rather than going to Clippard early. And after Clip-art struggled for two outs, nothing wrong with going to Jeurys one out earlier than normal.

Rockin' Doc Aug 25 2015 08:22 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Glad to get out of that inning. I wouldn't mind it if the offense pushed a few runs across to rob Familia of the save opportunity. It would sure make the botom of the 9th a lot less stressful.

Rockin' Doc Aug 25 2015 08:24 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore? Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 25 2015 08:25 PM

Leadoff walks are never a good idea for a pitcher. Now the Mets need to make Loewen and the Phillies pay for his mistake.

Zvon Aug 25 2015 08:25 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

I demand five more runs for relaxation purposes.

Zvon Aug 25 2015 08:28 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

We need one here Capt.

Zvon Aug 25 2015 08:31 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

gah. That was a nice slider, the one before the 3rd strike.

Zvon Aug 25 2015 08:36 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Familia, 2k's in the 9th, one out to go.

d'Kong76 Aug 25 2015 08:37 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Nice

themetfairy Aug 25 2015 08:37 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Fman99 Aug 25 2015 08:38 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

BOOKS Familia was a man possessed in the 9th there.

Zvon Aug 25 2015 08:38 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Edgy MD Aug 25 2015 08:39 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Familia is a found man. Nice to show they still have the heart to win the tight one.

Rockin' Doc Aug 25 2015 08:40 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

I like low stress (1-2-3) saves. The Mets keep rolling.

themetfairy Aug 25 2015 08:43 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Rockin' Doc wrote: I like low stress (1-2-3) saves. The Mets keep rolling. 1-2-3 or not, I was ready to have a heart attack at the blink of an eye....

Zvon Aug 25 2015 08:46 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

So both deGrom and Thor were under par and we still won. Impressive.

themetfairy Aug 25 2015 08:52 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Zvon wrote: So both deGrom and Thor were under par and we still won. Impressive. As were Niese and Colon over the weekend. The only starter with a strong performance in the past several days was Verrett!

d'Kong76 Aug 25 2015 08:53 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Let's just hope they're not out of gas or worse... but that's for another thread tomorrow or the next day.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 25 2015 10:15 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

HahnSolo wrote: Pay attention in the box. And fuck Larry Bowa. Good Lord. The Phils can't even spoil properly, so they've resorted to righteously indignant play-the-game-rightsmanship? THESE Utley-worshipping asses?

Mets – Willets Point Aug 25 2015 10:51 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

HahnSolo wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Tonight's most fascinating person behind home plate is Pre-School Girl Captivated by Yearbook. I like Cespedes arm sleeve guy. I bet he went through a box full of highlighters making that.

Edgy MD Aug 26 2015 05:46 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

He was alright. He was right near the mic pointed at home plate, so you could hear his claps and cheers.

Frayed Knot Aug 26 2015 06:27 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Just re-watched the Robles/Ruf 'incident' from last night, this time via the Philly feed. - there was ZERO indication that time had been called until the ump puts his hand up when the ball is already in flight - Rupp WAS looking up at the pitcher by the time the ball was released although he looked up just in time and clearly wasn't ready for it - Bowa, after he was already tossed, was CLEARLY gesturing to Muffy that he was going to get the next one in the ribs - hence the bench warnings. Not quite sure how Murph got into it except by being the closest one to the Philly dugout Bottom line is: if you're in the box w/the pitcher on the rubber you damn well oughta be ready. I think Ronnie was a bit harsh on Hansel and I'd be fine if he (Robles) did the same thing again tomorrow. Even more silly was the Yanx getting their panties in a twist over Carlos Gomez's reaction to a fly out. He mis-hit a ball he obviously thinks he should have crushed and mildly bat flipped his way to 1st. The Yanx bench, maybe led by McCann who had a past incident w/Gomez, immediately started squawking which caused a reaction from the usually hot-headed Carlos. It all ended with Gomez seen mouthing "Shut Up" multiple times to MFY catcher JR Murphy on his way back to the dugout and we pretty much know it all started on account of the Yanx being down by several touchdowns at the time.

HahnSolo Aug 26 2015 06:37 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Frayed Knot wrote: - Bowa, after he was already tossed, was CLEARLY gesturing to Muffy that he was going to get the next one in the ribs - hence the bench warnings. Not quite sure how Murph got into it except by being the closest one to the Philly dugout Not sure where I read it but it seems the Phils were already pissed at Murph for "styling" a bit too much on his home run the night before. What he did worse than what anyone else who goes deep I have no idea, but there you go.

Frayed Knot Aug 26 2015 06:52 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Murph slightly held his follow-through pose as he watched his HR sail. But, like the Gomez/Yanx incident, it's a case of a team getting entirely too twerked off about something that on a 1-10 transgression scale rates maybe a 1.5 as a way of overcompensating for the fact that they're getting their asses kicked that night (Yanx) or the whole season (Philly).

Edgy MD Aug 26 2015 07:09 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Here's a tip: When you've got an All Star hitter in a deep slump, you leave him the hell alone. Oh, look, he had a homer and a double last night. Too late.

Centerfield Aug 26 2015 07:11 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

I thought what Gomez did was completely inappropriate. So what. You made an out. The game is not about you. Be a man and run to first in stoic fashion.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 26 2015 07:20 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Frayed Knot wrote: Murph slightly held his follow-through pose as he watched his HR sail. But, like the Gomez/Yanx incident, it's a case of a team getting entirely too twerked off about something that on a 1-10 transgression scale rates maybe a 1.5 as a way of overcompensating for the fact that they're getting their asses kicked that night (Yanx) or the whole season (Philly). Would have been a better scene had McCop been catching instead of JR Murphy.

Edgy MD Aug 26 2015 07:24 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Angry Frenchy was a scary sight though. He looks like he could do some damage if he goes into Fiery Phoenix mode.

themetfairy Aug 26 2015 07:28 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

I could not find an e-mail address, but I just telephoned the Commissioner's office to complain that a manager should not be allowed to threaten a player of an opposing team. Y'all should call too - 212-931-7800. We do NOT need Daniel getting injured (and the Phillies have nothing to play for so there can't even be the threat of any meaningful retaliation by the Mets if Daniel did get hit!).

TransMonk Aug 26 2015 08:49 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Al Leiter was defending Robles on MLB Network later in the night...basically saying if the batter is in the box he better be ready to hit. Bowa's a boob.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 26 2015 08:51 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

TransMonk wrote: Al Leiter was defending Robles on MLB Network later in the night...basically saying if the batter is in the box he better be ready to hit. Bowa's a boob. That's weird, man. Darling was admonishing Robles. The Phillies announcers barely knew what the dispute was about then seemed to feel the Phils overreacted.

Edgy MD Aug 26 2015 09:06 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Yeah, how am I supposed to know what side to take if my announcers are more sympathetic to the enemy than the enemy announcers? Allowing myself the terrifying luxury of free thought: 1) Quick pitching is part of the game: 2) If the batter is the box, he has some obligation to be ready; David Wright usually has one foot out of the box as he does that booger-wiping thing; 3) That said, yeah, it seems gracious and within the spirit of the game to not pitch if the guy isn't looking up; 4) Rubble seemed to realize that as he was releasing the ball because the pitch came in at like 70 miles per hour; 5) The ump also seemed to realize it as he disallowed the pitch. So the situation was dealt with: a pitcher struck with self-realization and moved to penitence, tossing a meatball, and an ump disallowing the pitch. Justice was served honorably and spontaneously. There was little reason for Frenchy to blow a gasket. Bowa, of course, doesn't really need a reason. As Homer Simpson said about Lee Marvin, "He's always drunk and violent."

d'Kong76 Aug 26 2015 09:09 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Ron's usually Mr. Sensible but for some reason he went on an on.

Edgy MD Aug 26 2015 09:27 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

So what's going to happen today? The Phils got a rookie making his second big league start and a taxed bullpen. Is he expected to hit Murphy and possibly get tossed in the first inning?

Frayed Knot Aug 26 2015 09:30 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

I think Robles eased up when he saw the ump's hand up in a 'Time Out' situation (not because he saw the batter) even though there's still no indication that time was called at any point before that. I think the ump is to blame here as much as anyone as I don't see how it's his job to call time in mid-pitch because he thinks the batter isn't alert enough. Granted the Phils would have been even more pissed off if Robles got a strike out of his little quick-pitch but that's their problem.

Ceetar Aug 26 2015 09:41 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

pace of play, stay in the box, be ready to swing. They got rid of the 'pitch to the bat' type stuff where the pitcher was supposed to make the hitter hit it to a fielder over a 100 years ago. maybe 150.

Nymr83 Aug 26 2015 09:45 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

sounds like the loser phillies just cant take all the losing

TransMonk Aug 26 2015 09:49 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Edgy MD wrote: 2) If the batter is the box, he has some obligation to be ready; David Wright usually has one foot out of the box as he does that booger-wiping thing; Yes...this is essentially what Leiter was saying on MLB Network. Of course, he used Jeter as an example with his hand up toward the ump indicating time out so that he could dig in.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 26 2015 10:50 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore? Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Aug 26 2015 11:06 AM

I don't know if this was discussed here, but two games ago when the Mets banged eight HR's, Murphy came to bat in the last inning and hit a ball in front of the centerfielder that was sort of misplayed, or played very aggressively. Either way, the ball got behind the centerfielder. I thought Murphy should have ended on third base easily -- a fast runner would've likely had an inside the parker on that play. But Murphy coasted -- practically walked -- into second base, apparently content to "just" double. I thought that Murphy coasted on purpose instead of running hard all the way and that he did so to obey one of those stupid baseball codes because the game was a blowout by then. The announcers essentially shrugged the play off, not making the comments I expected them to make. Maybe I misinterpreted what I saw.

Edgy MD Aug 26 2015 10:57 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

No, it was discussed. Murphy pulled up at second on what would have been a triple in a more competitive game. There are obviously two reasons for not hustling for any base that you can't take standing up: (1) to show grace-in-victory to your opponent, (2) to avoid an injury in a play that is very unlikely to impact the outcome of the game. Which it was, I don't know. I'd guess, 30% of the first, 60% of the second, and 10% Murphy feeling he'd do something stupid.

themetfairy Aug 26 2015 10:57 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

I chalked that one up to Murphy being slow as shit and not wanting to chance being thrown out at third.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 26 2015 10:58 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

I thought Murphy could've crawled to third base for a triple. With both of his shoelaces tied together.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 26 2015 11:15 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

He should've tried that.

Lefty Specialist Aug 26 2015 11:25 AM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

I didn't have a problem with Murphy not taking third on that. You don't want to show up a team you already have a 7-run lead on in the 8th inning. Larry Bowa was trying to get the Phils riled up with the quick-pitch hoo-hah last night, and who knows, they may take it out on Bartolo tonight. I prefer to let sleeping dogs lie. That's why I hate bat-flips and stolen bases when you're up big late in a game.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 26 2015 01:35 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

The play bothered me only because I believed that Murphy would have had an easy stand-up triple. To me, if the batter doesn't take third on a gimme triple, it's no different than if he were to purposely swing and miss at pitches. I don't get that attitude when it's baseball at its highest level and on top of that, when it concerns a team that now has realistic sights on the post-season. It's not exactly like a football team running triple reverse flea flickers when it's up by 28 with four minutes left in the game. If no one's gonna tackle the running back because he found broad daylight, he's not supposed to fall down on purpose.

themetfairy Aug 26 2015 01:41 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

I don't disagree with you conceptually. I disagree with the concept of Daniel Murphy ever having a gimme triple. I love the guy, but he is SLOW!

d'Kong76 Aug 26 2015 01:43 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

batmagadanleadoff wrote: To me, if the batter doesn't take third on a gimme triple, it's no different than if he were to purposely swing and miss at pitches. Swinging and missing pitches results in an out. Stopping at second results in no out, and doesn't risk making an out at third.

Edgy MD Aug 26 2015 02:10 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Batters, of course, take pitches. And while running backs don't intentionally fall down in the open field, teams with big leads in football call interior run plays that have little chance of scoring or even advancing very far downfield, even as the defense is playing for the run.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 26 2015 02:29 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

d'Kong76 wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: To me, if the batter doesn't take third on a gimme triple, it's no different than if he were to purposely swing and miss at pitches. Swinging and missing pitches results in an out. Stopping at second results in no out, and doesn't risk making an out at third. If it's a gimme triple, then there's no risk of an out. That was my whole point. The only risk was that he might trip over infield dirt on the way to third.

d'Kong76 Aug 26 2015 02:33 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

Guess I didn't focus on 'gimme triple', which are rare in a bandbox. I focused on no different, and purposely making an out versus not making (or risk making) an out.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 26 2015 02:35 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore? Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 26 2015 02:41 PM

Edgy MD wrote: Batters, of course, take pitches. And while running backs don't intentionally fall down in the open field, teams with big leads in football call interior run plays that have little chance of scoring or even advancing very far downfield, even as the defense is playing for the run. Of course they call "interior" plays. But thats' hardly what I was getting at. If a back finds a hole that you can drive an aircraft carrier through, he should take what's given. And batters take many pitches. For many reasons. They shouldn't purposely take a 2-2 pitch that they know they can crush. But you're making this exchange so hyper-literal that it's obfuscating my real point.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 26 2015 02:36 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

d'Kong76 wrote: Guess I didn't focus on 'gimme triple', which are rare in a bandbox. I focused on no different, and purposely making an out versus not making (or risk making) an out. Gimme triple? It was an inside the parker. Reyes the Met would've gotten five bases on that play. He would've scored and then ran to first for another single.

Ceetar Aug 26 2015 02:54 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

just watched the replay. Murphy makes contact at 0:02 in the clip. By 0:11 the ball is already in the air towards the cut off man. We can be liberal and say picking that up and firing it to third would take..4? seconds and round it to 15? That's probably way too liberal for 'no doubt' but let's go with it. The fastest ISTP home runs this season 1 Dee Gordon 13.95 seconds 2 Jarrod Dyson 14.56 3 Logan Forsythe 16.01 4 James McCann 16.26 seconds. So Murphy, who's not Dee Gordon, would have had no shot at scoring on that. Could he have made third? Well, assuming even distribution, these fast guys ran third to home in about 4 seconds, meaning they got to third at about 11-12. So right around the time the cut off man had the ball on the Murphy play. Murphy is not that fast. Saying he's 20% slower is probably conservative. At the very least there's going to be a play, which is sorta the point. Additionally, it was a single off the bat, and he wasn't gunning it hoping to get two, it wasn't until it was misplayed that the option for second came in, and you can see Murphy running and then slow up where he judges that the center fielder can probably field the ball in time to make it a play.

Edgy MD Aug 26 2015 02:56 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Batters, of course, take pitches. And while running backs don't intentionally fall down in the open field, teams with big leads in football call interior run plays that have little chance of scoring or even advancing very far downfield, even as the defense is playing for the run. Of course they call "interior" plays. But thats' hardly what I was getting at. If a back finds a hole that you can drive an aircraft carrier through, he should take what's given. And batters take many pitches. For many reasons. They shouldn't purposely take a 2-2 pitch that they know they can crush. But you're making this exchange so hyper-literal that it's obfuscating my real point. Certainly don't mean to. There are reasons not to run, as noted above. I don't necessarily support them. But I think it would have been a sliding play. And deliberately taking a 2-2 strike, like the examples noted above, would result in an out. I hope it's not hyper-literal to point out that distinction from the play at hand.

Zvon Aug 26 2015 03:08 PM Re: IGT #125: What's the Encore?

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I don't know if this was discussed here, but two games ago when the Mets banged eight HR's, Murphy came to bat in the last inning and hit a ball in front of the centerfielder that was sort of misplayed, or played very aggressively. Either way, the ball got behind the centerfielder. I thought Murphy should have ended on third base easily -- a fast runner would've likely had an inside the parker on that play. But Murphy coasted -- practically walked -- into second base, apparently content to "just" double. I thought that Murphy coasted on purpose instead of running hard all the way and that he did so to obey one of those stupid baseball codes because the game was a blowout by then. The announcers essentially shrugged the play off, not making the comments I expected them to make. Maybe I misinterpreted what I saw. I believe that Muffy decided right as he rounded first that he wasn't going to rub it in and purposely slowed down. I think he knew there was a chance for third and discarded it in old school fashion. Considering all the circumstances I have no problem with this. I'm surprised that Bowa didn't write him a letter of commendation.