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Edgy MD Sep 12 2015 09:53 PM

The Mets have depth. The Mets' depth has depth. They are four deep at catcher and six deep or so at every other position. That is, except shortstop. They have two shortstops, and one of them is a guy you'd rather see at second or third. Their de facto third shortstop is Eric Campbell, and if he is in the game over there, something has gone very wrong, and something else very wrong might soon follow. And in fact, if he makes the post-season roster, not a few things have gone startlingly wrong. So, this is how they've mostly gotten through the season, and this is how they intend to make it through the post-season — assuming there is one. But wait, there's more. In order to beef up their roster, the Mets had to add the two remaining shortstop-first players on their roster to the 60-day DL. So Danny Muno and Wilfredo Tovar are ineligible to be activated in any emergencies that might happen over the next 20 games. If the Mets find a sudden need for a shortstop, some crazy roster machinations will have to take place in order for them to activate Matt Reynolds (probably) and his zero games of MLB experience. Reynolds or whoever might end up making his big league debut in the post-season. Like Matt Kiger. I'm trying to see all the angles here. And Sandy, God bless him, has most every angle covered with redundancy. Except at shortstop. Worrying won't help. But I worry.

dinosaur jesus Sep 12 2015 10:15 PM Re: Worries Here

Uribe? Or does that thought just add to your worries? That would be kind of like when Paul Molitor hadn't played third base for about for years, and suddenly had to play it in the World Series.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 13 2015 03:34 AM Re: Worries Here

David Wright has appeared at shortstop a few times. And maybe Kelly Johnson can play there in a pinch?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 13 2015 06:15 AM Re: Worries Here

Frankly, I was a little shocked they didn't bring up Reynolds for this very reason, if only for a little major-league-pitching footwetting.

Elster88 Sep 13 2015 06:50 AM Re: Worries Here

Kurt Abbott

RealityChuck Sep 13 2015 08:24 AM Re: Worries Here

Don't worry. Just look up Mickey Stanley in 1968. So there's always Lagares.

Ceetar Sep 13 2015 08:55 AM Re: Worries Here

RealityChuck wrote: Don't worry. Just look up Mickey Stanley in 1968. So there's always Lagares. and deGrom. Flores and Tejada are both pretty healthy guys. Granted anything can happen, but in a crazy emergency you put Uribe there or activate Uribe if he's a healthy cut.

Farmer Ted Sep 13 2015 08:55 AM Re: Worries Here

Bor-Dick.

d'Kong76 Sep 13 2015 09:01 AM Re: Worries Here

Bartolo can play emergency SS, because there's nothing that Bartolo can't do!

Chad Ochoseis Sep 13 2015 09:06 AM Re: Worries Here

I worry about what Megdal is going to do now that he's out of material.

Lefty Specialist Sep 13 2015 09:10 AM Re: Worries Here

Shortstop depth chart: Flores Tejada Uribe Johnson Wright deGrom Six deep. No worries.

Edgy MD Sep 13 2015 01:05 PM Re: Worries Here

Uribe? Or does that thought just add to your worries? Is Uribe at short with a post-season game on the line a palatable thought to you? I imagine not! (And just now a double-play ball goes through the wickets of Uribe at third.) That would be kind of like when Paul Molitor hadn't played third base for about for years, and suddenly had to play it in the World Series. Except far worse. Molitor was twice the athlete Uribe is now. And it's not like he ever played himself off the position. He was moved to DH because of a propensity for getting injured. And third ain't short. David Wright has appeared at shortstop a few times. And maybe Kelly Johnson can play there in a pinch? No, no, no! Worrisome! Shortstop depth chart: Flores Tejada Uribe Johnson Wright deGrom Six deep. No worries. Six deep... or deep six!

Edgy MD Sep 13 2015 01:08 PM Re: Worries Here

RealityChuck wrote: Don't worry. Just look up Mickey Stanley in 1968. So there's always Lagares. Not my ideal model!

Edgy MD Sep 13 2015 07:26 PM Re: Worries Here

Turns out I was wrong about Muno. He wasn't 60-Day'd but rather removed from the roster entirely. I suppose that makes him just as eligible as Reynolds if an emergency should arise. /notsoworriedanymore

Edgy MD Sep 15 2015 06:27 AM Re: Worries Here

Here's a worry... Finishing the season against teams dragging their asses across the finish line seemed an advantage a month and a half ago. And indeed it is, as the Mets currently blow the Nats out of the water. But is competition against teams who've frequently traded away their best parts, and are now dragging their asses to the end of the season with lineups populated by the too-young and the too-old, like the Germans at the end of World War II... does it have the effect of softening the Mets before the big battle instead of hardening them? In this spirit, the Yankees will be an important test, no? I guess that's why they want to throw Harvey then.

Gwreck Sep 15 2015 06:31 AM Re: Worries Here

Yes. Most important games played against the Yankees since...well, you know.

Gwreck Sep 15 2015 07:06 PM Re: Worries Here

Should we worry about our starting pitching? I don't actually worry much about Harvey. I bet the rest will do him good. But deGrom and Syndergaard are reaching the point where they're throwing more innings in a season than they've ever thrown before. deGrom's ERA is up 0.65 from a month ago. Syndergaard has those starts where he throws 90+ pitches through 5 innings and then is done. The offense has bailed out the team a few times now against crappy teams but are they going to be able to do that in the postseason? If we don't have deGromination from our starters, are we looking at a first-round exit? [/irrational panic]

duan Sep 16 2015 06:15 AM Re: Worries Here

you have to start worrying about DeGrom a bit. I didn't see last night past the 2nd inning so I don't know whether it looked like he was unlucky or whether he was getting knocked around, but you have to think he's getting gassed. I didn't understand not calling up Dillon Gee, roster wise Johnny Monell has had ONE at bat. Dillon Gee could have been on tap to be a tandem starter to De Grom or even to replace him for a turn through the 6 man rotation. Now we're left with a situation where all of our pitchers are question marks of one form or another and despite all the callups we've got Familia and Clipard still looking a bit overused

Benjamin Grimm Sep 16 2015 06:38 AM Re: Worries Here

Yeah, the starting pitching hasn't been strong lately, especially the last two outings of deGrom and Harvey. How's this for an idea? Switch to a five-man rotation of Niese, Colon, Matz, Verrett, and Stauffer. In that last series against Washington you can then give deGrom, Harvey, and Syndergaard each one tune-up start.

TransMonk Sep 16 2015 07:36 AM Re: Worries Here

deGrom looks tired. He's either over-throwing or missing in a lot of cases. I won't really panic until we see how he fares after his next start gets pushed back or skipped. The season-long fatigue of our top 3 pitchers was my biggest worry over a month ago when it was becoming more evident that the Mets were probably going to make the postseason. As for Gee, that bridge has been burned from both ends. It is more likely no longer a matter of his ability but of the bad blood between him and the club. I'm sure he's pissed over how he has been handled over the past nine months and, from what I understand, he has internally voiced his pissiness, about which the team is pissed. I don't see Gee pitching for the Mets again. New-ish worry: Is Lucas Duda ever going to start contributing again?

seawolf17 Sep 16 2015 07:49 AM Re: Worries Here

None. Zero worries. WE'VE GOT THIS. YA. GOTTA. BELIEVE.

Gwreck Sep 16 2015 07:52 AM Re: Worries Here

TransMonk wrote: I'm sure he's pissed over how he has been handled over the past nine months and, from what I understand, he has internally voiced his pissiness, about which the team is pissed. I suppose we don't have full details (specifically because Gee didn't air his complaints publicly) but this sort of thing just makes me mad at the Mets. They could use Gee; they obviously could have added him to the roster; they chose not to. Gee didn't complain to the press, which I suppose is why we only have vague reports that he voiced his complaints "internally." Call me crazy, but that's exactly what a disgruntled employee is supposed to do (rather than, say, complaining publicly).

Ceetar Sep 16 2015 07:53 AM Re: Worries Here

I've got the pitcher fatigue and Duda's little funk after getting so hot and Murphy's still hurt leg with pins in them to be worried about in a few weeks if they don't resolve, so much time to resolve. I do suspect, if random shut-downs and too much rest don't lull them into more fatigue, that the pitchers will all get a second wind, particularly as the idea of the playoffs really starts to sink in.

Nymr83 Sep 16 2015 08:14 AM Re: Worries Here

The Mets are treating the 2nd half of September like its Extended Spring Training. FUCK YEAH!! quit worrying!

Ceetar Sep 16 2015 08:21 AM Re: Worries Here

Nymr83 wrote: The Mets are treating the 2nd half of September like its Extended Spring Training. FUCK YEAH!! quit worrying! And they came out of Spring Training 14-3 this year!

Lefty Specialist Sep 16 2015 08:25 AM Re: Worries Here

deGrom could use a few extra days of rest before his next start. He's simply not sharp right now. It's certainly doable. Syndergaard looked dynamite after skipping a turn. Playoff schedule will help him. Harvey, they're piggybacking Verrett. It'll be interesting to see how that goes with a real major league team like the Yankees as the opposition. Colon, no inning or eating limits. Matz just needs work to round into form (hopefully not Bartolo's form). Duda, unless there's another injury, you have to keep running him out there so he can get his timing back. Wright looks like he might be getting his stroke back. Spot starts for Uribe every few games and he'll be fine. Wilmer/Tejada/Johnson rotation seems to be working, as does the Conforto/Cespedes/Lagares rotation. Coach Cuddy available to back up first and spell Grandy against the occasional lefty. There's no real LOOGY in the pen, which is a concern. O'Farterty not doing it. Alvarez hurt. Gilmartin not suited to the role. But if that's the biggest problem they have I can live with it. Worry-meter set to minimal.

dgwphotography Sep 16 2015 08:30 AM Re: Worries Here

Worries? They've far surpassed anything I could have hoped for. They're playing with house money as far as I'm concerned.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 16 2015 09:02 AM Re: Worries Here

I definitely understand that sentiment. But I'd still hate to see the Mets have an 0 and 3 postseason.

Lefty Specialist Sep 16 2015 10:49 AM Re: Worries Here

Yeah, while it's house money, I'd like to see at least one series victory, just to prove they belonged.

dgwphotography Sep 16 2015 12:14 PM Re: Worries Here

I want them to win the whole thing. I just won't be too upset if they don't

Ceetar Sep 16 2015 12:17 PM Re: Worries Here

dgwphotography wrote: I want them to win the whole thing. I just won't be too upset if they don't you say that now.

dgwphotography Sep 16 2015 12:30 PM Re: Worries Here

Ceetar wrote: dgwphotography wrote: I want them to win the whole thing. I just won't be too upset if they don't you say that now. LOL - I thought the exact same thing when I hit submit. I'll be yelling at the TV all post-season ;-)

Frayed Knot Sep 16 2015 01:28 PM Re: Worries Here

Gotta go for the brass ring while it's there. I understand that there's a difference in attitude between a year where you thought you they could win it all along and winning in a year where much less was expected going in (or even in late July). But I also remember too many Met fans after the 2006 loss saying some version of; 'Ahh, it's OK, because the future is all blue skies and clear roads from here'. Yeah, how'd that work out? Or ask Nats fans how their feeling of; 'Well it was fun just to be here' sounds now that the window on that particular core group of players looks to be closing [Desmond - Gone!, Zimmermann - Gone!; Span - Gone!, etc.]. One earlier than expected division run for an up and coming team (sound familiar? - wasn't it 2016 that was to be "our year") followed by three seasons of being a prohibitive favorite led to two first-round exits and two years of missing the playoffs altogether.

Ceetar Sep 16 2015 03:04 PM Re: Worries Here

I think my biggest worry is endurance. The Mets are concerned with workloads and spending September helping their pitchers atrophy a little. With the possible exception of Familia, Harvey, deGrom, Syndergaard, and Matz are better pitchers than the Clippards and Reeds. There are a handful of innings that the Mets are going to give to relievers that the Dodgers are going to give to Kershaw and Grienke. This is mitigated, somewhat, by the possibility of using some of the starters in relief roles, but who knows how that shakes out.

d'Kong76 Sep 16 2015 08:57 PM Re: Worries Here

I have a whole day off to worry, but I could see the Mets getting swept by the Yankees.

Edgy MD Sep 16 2015 09:24 PM Re: Worries Here

I think they're never gonna score again.

Lefty Specialist Sep 17 2015 05:51 AM Re: Worries Here

Marlins better play the Nats as tough as they played the Mets.

Gwreck Sep 20 2015 09:11 PM Re: Worries Here

With a loss tonight, the Mets would be 31-13 since August 1. Seems pretty good. EXCEPT, when that is broken down: 1-5 against teams that will make the playoffs*. 5-0 vs Washington (the only non-playoff-bound but above-.500 opponent). 25-8 against teams that were making October plans weeks ago. I fully believe the Mets will make the playoffs but I am terrified of a 3-0 or 3-1 drubbing in the first round. *Assumes they don't come back against the MFYs tonight

seawolf17 Sep 20 2015 09:14 PM Re: Worries Here

Gwreck wrote: With a loss tonight, the Mets would be 31-13 since August 1. Seems pretty good. EXCEPT, when that is broken down: 1-5 against teams that will make the playoffs*. 5-0 vs Washington (the only non-playoff-bound but above-.500 opponent). 25-8 against teams that were making October plans weeks ago. I fully believe the Mets will make the playoffs but I am terrified of a 3-0 or 3-1 drubbing in the first round. *Assumes they don't come back against the MFYs tonight You're right, but this team is still playoff bound, and that's all that matters right now. Use the next two weeks to get the guys you need in the shape you need them when the bell tolls.

Nymr83 Sep 20 2015 09:15 PM Re: Worries Here

Pussy Bitch Harvey is going to cost the Mets a playoff spot.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 20 2015 09:21 PM Re: Worries Here

I'm worried that they've generally looked pretty crappy for a week now, results notwithstanding.

Gwreck Sep 20 2015 09:24 PM Re: Worries Here

Nymr83 wrote: Pussy Bitch Harvey is going to cost the Mets a playoff spot. They scored 1 run tonight. This loss is not on Harvey no matter what people want to believe.

Nymr83 Sep 20 2015 09:30 PM Re: Worries Here

Gwreck wrote: Nymr83 wrote: Pussy Bitch Harvey is going to cost the Mets a playoff spot. They scored 1 run tonight. This loss is not on Harvey no matter what people want to believe. there are going to be games where you only score one run. you need to win some of them. you need to win the ones where your starter is absolutely cruising and could have easily gone 7 innings if not 8 and never exposed the middle of the bullpen.

Gwreck Sep 20 2015 09:39 PM Re: Worries Here

This game matters far less than anything in October. I was perfectly fine with Harvey coming out after 5. Obviously that's not happening in October. Most of the pitchers who did pitch tonight are not even in consideration for the post-season roster.

Nymr83 Sep 20 2015 09:41 PM Re: Worries Here

Gwreck wrote: This game matters far less than anything in October. I was perfectly fine with Harvey coming out after 5. Obviously that's not happening in October. Most of the pitchers who did pitch tonight are not even in consideration for the post-season roster. that's fine if there is an October, the Mets might want to stop acting like it is a foregone conclusion that they've made the playoffs.

Zvon Sep 20 2015 09:48 PM Re: Worries Here

Nymr83 wrote: Gwreck wrote: This game matters far less than anything in October. I was perfectly fine with Harvey coming out after 5. Obviously that's not happening in October. Most of the pitchers who did pitch tonight are not even in consideration for the post-season roster. that's fine if there is an October, the Mets might want to stop acting like it is a foregone conclusion that they've made the playoffs. And I think the ESPN booth said tonight that he will have similar restrictions in the postseason. Not that I think they know what they are talking about but they did say it. Something about it's supposed to be 180 innings including the postseason. I know Sandy said (earlier in the season) no restrictions for Harvey in the post, but now I'm not so sure.

Gwreck Sep 20 2015 10:12 PM Re: Worries Here

Zvon wrote: And I think the ESPN booth said tonight that he will have similar restrictions in the postseason. Not that I think they know what they are talking about but they did say it. No. Inaccurate. They said the opposite. That the point of the restrictions now was so that there wouldn't be this issue in the postseason. It remains speculation, as the Mets have not said anything about post-season restrictions.

seawolf17 Sep 21 2015 05:15 AM Re: Worries Here

If this happens in Game 1 of a playoff series, I would literally fear a riot.

Vic Sage Sep 21 2015 07:55 AM Re: Worries Here

I am worried that the Mets' revived post-July31 offense was based largely on Cespedes' unsustainable hot streak, and now that NL pitchers have figured out that you don't actually have to throw Yo-Anus any strikes to get him out, his current 1 for 19 streak is going to continue, and the Mets 1-4 record with 10 runs scored over that streak will stretch into the post-season (if there even is a post-season).

Benjamin Grimm Sep 21 2015 08:02 AM Re: Worries Here

That's a legitimate worry, I think.

Ashie62 Sep 21 2015 08:05 AM Re: Worries Here

Washington is on a tear and these are the Mets. P.S. This babying of young pitchers is costing us.

HahnSolo Sep 21 2015 08:20 AM Re: Worries Here

I worry that off losing 4 of 5 we have Niese who I dont trust taking the hill tonight; and then Verrett who I also can't fully trust tomorrow. I don't care who the opponent is. Would anybody truly be surprised if neither one of them made it out of the fifth inning?

Ceetar Sep 21 2015 08:23 AM Re: Worries Here

HahnSolo wrote: I worry that off losing 4 of 5 we have Niese who I dont trust taking the hill tonight; and then Verrett who I also can't fully trust tomorrow. I don't care who the opponent is. Would anybody truly be surprised if neither one of them made it out of the fifth inning? in a tune-up game? not really. But I wouldn't be surprised if eitiher spun an 8-inning 4-hit gem either.

Vic Sage Sep 21 2015 08:31 AM Re: Worries Here

Ceetar wrote: HahnSolo wrote: I worry that off losing 4 of 5 we have Niese who I dont trust taking the hill tonight; and then Verrett who I also can't fully trust tomorrow. I don't care who the opponent is. Would anybody truly be surprised if neither one of them made it out of the fifth inning? in a tune-up game? not really. But I wouldn't be surprised if eitiher spun an 8-inning 4-hit gem either. and that equal chance of sucking or being great is the very foundation on which worry is built.

Ceetar Sep 21 2015 08:37 AM Re: Worries Here

Vic Sage wrote: Ceetar wrote: HahnSolo wrote: I worry that off losing 4 of 5 we have Niese who I dont trust taking the hill tonight; and then Verrett who I also can't fully trust tomorrow. I don't care who the opponent is. Would anybody truly be surprised if neither one of them made it out of the fifth inning? in a tune-up game? not really. But I wouldn't be surprised if eitiher spun an 8-inning 4-hit gem either. and that equal chance of sucking or being great is the very foundation on which worry is built. also, drama, intrigue, baseball seasons and gambling debts.

HahnSolo Sep 21 2015 08:39 AM Re: Worries Here

Ceetar wrote: HahnSolo wrote: I worry that off losing 4 of 5 we have Niese who I dont trust taking the hill tonight; and then Verrett who I also can't fully trust tomorrow. I don't care who the opponent is. Would anybody truly be surprised if neither one of them made it out of the fifth inning? in a tune-up game? not really. But I wouldn't be surprised if eitiher spun an 8-inning 4-hit gem either. I'd be VERY surprised if Niese threw an 8-inning gem. And I'd feel that way even if the Mets lead was 10 and they'd just swept the Yanks.

Edgy MD Sep 21 2015 08:40 AM Re: Worries Here

Who can you fully trust? That's a tough standard. You've got to march with the soldiers you've got. I'd be worried if we had Bob Gibson 1968 going tonight and Walter Johnson 1913 to follow him. Who's that warming up in the pen? Pedro 2000? STILL WORRIED!! That said, Niese throwing a shutout wouldn't surprise me in the least. It's baseball. And he's done it plenty.

Gwreck Sep 21 2015 08:44 AM Re: Worries Here

Edgy MD wrote: Niese throwing a shutout wouldn't surprise me in the least. It's baseball. And he's done it plenty. He has 2 career shutouts in 176 career starts, so that makes you pretty hard to surprise I guess. I do think a good outing (say, 7 IP, 1 run) wouldn't be surprising.

Edgy MD Sep 21 2015 08:50 AM Re: Worries Here

Well, "it" doesn't have to be a complete game shutout. He's thrown 30 games of seven or more innings with one or fewer runs allowed. I think that's an "it" we can all get behind.

TransMonk Sep 21 2015 10:13 AM Re: Worries Here

The third Yankee game was a microcosm of my worries: 1. Great, young starting pitching that is getting held up due to limits/fatigue. 2. Offense that disappears for whole games (or several games) at a time. 3. Middle relief that continues to throw grease on a dumpster fire one after the next. Nothing new (as all of this is mentioned above), but it was all included in that Sunday night game.

Edgy MD Sep 21 2015 08:07 PM Re: Worries Here

Edgy MD wrote: Well, "it" doesn't have to be a complete game shutout. He's thrown 30 games of seven or more innings with one or fewer runs allowed. I think that's an "it" we can all get behind. BAM!!

seawolf17 Sep 22 2015 07:01 AM Re: Worries Here

Once again, no worries. WE'VE GOT THIS.

Rockin' Doc Sep 22 2015 08:36 PM Re: Worries Here

I'm not really worried about making the playoffs at this point, but I am concerned that the Mets suddenly don't look much like the team that played so well in August and early September. The offense is rather stagnant the past week. Very little scoring that isn't due to a home run. The team just can't seem to string a few hits together to produce runs. The is little speed and no real running game to help manufacture runs when theteam is struggling to score runs. Most of the young starting pitchers suddenly seem arm weary and tired. I just hope that deGrom, Syndegaard, & Harvey can pitch up to their capabilities (and past the 5th inning) once the bright lights of the post-season come on.

sharpie Sep 23 2015 02:30 PM Re: Worries Here

I'm worried that they have seem to have lost their mojo at Citifield. Lately they seem to only have their hitting shoes on on the road.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 23 2015 07:16 PM Re: Worries Here

You wonder if taking the foot off the gas with all the skipped starts and innings worry out there isnt undermining the club's intensity.

d'Kong76 Sep 23 2015 07:18 PM Re: Worries Here

No wondering here.

MFS62 Sep 23 2015 08:02 PM Re: Worries Here

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: You wonder if taking the foot off the gas with all the skipped starts and innings worry out there isnt undermining the club's intensity. I think so. Baseball players (and most athletes) are very ritualistic, from the number of warmups they take to the number of practice swings while on deck to how frequently they scratch their ass. And IMO this constant moving of players in and out of the lineup and the rotation has, to use a technical term, fucked with their rhythm. They were in a good groove until Terry started juggling the lineups, rotation and bullpen hierarchies to "give them some rest". Memo to Terry - you don't stop a locomotive until it has finished the route. You derailed it. Now get it back on track. (Climbing down from my soap box now) Later

d'Kong76 Sep 23 2015 08:02 PM Re: Worries Here

Not thrilled limping into Cincinnati for a four games.

Edgy MD Sep 23 2015 08:05 PM Re: Worries Here

Terry didn't juggle the lineup anymore than he had all through the winning streaks. The rotation is a different story, and that's not really on Terry alone.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 24 2015 05:14 AM Re: Worries Here

I was a bit surprised how out there TC was with his remarks the other day after taking Harvey out -- "If it keeps us from winning the pennant, I'm not going to be happy about it," -- he must have been sending a message up the food chain. The Wright v. Harvey thing seems to have been swept under the rug but even if they said "sorry" afterward this doesn't look like teammates who get along with one another. [url]https://vine.co/v/eT3TdV0lIIB

Benjamin Grimm Sep 24 2015 05:45 AM Re: Worries Here

I wish my lip-reading skills were a little better than they are. What's David saying there? It looks to me like "Not!"

d'Kong76 Sep 24 2015 08:55 PM Re: Worries Here

3 is a pretty comfortable number.

Zvon Sep 24 2015 09:05 PM Re: Worries Here

d'Kong76 wrote: 3 is a pretty comfortable number.

Edgy MD Oct 01 2015 06:31 AM Re: Worries Here

My worry that there are no other shortstops on the 40-man has returned. If they're going to activate somebody, they might as well do it now — release Monell or O'Flaherty or somebody a few days early so whoever can get some reps in.