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Dario Alvarez 2 votes

Tyler Clippard 30 votes

Bartolo Colon 28 votes

Jacob deGrom 30 votes

Jeurys Familia 30 votes

Sean Gilmartin 13 votes

Erik Goeddel 14 votes

Matt Harvey 30 votes

Steven Matz 30 votes

Jon Niese 24 votes

Eric O'Flaherty 0 votes

Bobby Parnell 2 votes

Addison Reed 29 votes

Hansel Robles 27 votes

Tim Stauffer 0 votes

Noah Syndergaard 30 votes

Carlos Torres 1 votes

Logan Verrett 7 votes

Travis d'Arnaud 30 votes

Johnny Monell 0 votes

Kevin Plawecki 26 votes

Anthony Recker 4 votes

Eric Campbell 0 votes

Lucas Duda 30 votes

Wilmer Flores 30 votes

Dilson Herrera 1 votes

Daniel Murphy 30 votes

Ruben Tejada 30 votes

Juan Uribe 14 votes

David Wright 30 votes

Yoenis Cespedes 30 votes

Michael Conforto 29 votes

Michael Cuddyer 28 votes

Curtis Granderson 30 votes

Kelly Johnson 30 votes

Juan Lagares 30 votes

Kirk Nieuwenhuis 13 votes

Eric Young, Jr. 4 votes

Edgy MD
Sep 26 2015 05:31 PM

Pick 25 guys and build yourself a post-season roster.

The outline below isn't necessarily what I'm advocating (so please don't argue with the table), just a snapshot of sorta where things sit now, with the injury to Uribe giving Johnson a bit o' boost.

Some guys appear at more than one position group — starter and reliever, or infielder and outfielder — but the assumption in the table that the team goes with five starters (one being the emergency starter), seven relievers, two catchers, six infielders and five outfielders. Obviously you don't have to build your team that way and neither do the Mets. Pl

Anyhow, pretty cool that the Mets are holding 33 players that they'd like to carry. Gonna be some painful choices.


Position		Starting
Pitchers		Relief
Pitchers
Catchers
Infielders
Outfielders
Pretty
Secure
deGrom
Harvey
Syndergaard
Colon		Familia
Clippard
Reed
Robles
Torres


d'Arnaud
Plawecki		Wright
Duda
Murphy
Flores
Tejada

Cespedes
Granderson
Conforto
Good Side Of
The Bubble		=#FFFF00]Niese=#FFFF00]Gilmartin
Avarez		=#FFFF00]Johnson=#FFFF00]Cuddyer
Lagares
Bad Side Of
The Bubble		=#FF8000]Matz=#FF8000]Goeddell
Verrett
Matz
Parnell		=#FF8000]Recker=#FF8000]Uribe=#FF8000]Johnson
Nieuwenhuis
Young
Only In
Emergency		=#FF0000]Verrett
Stauffer		=#FF0000]O'Flaherty
Stauffer		=#FF0000]Monell
=#BF8000].		=#FF0000]Campbell
Herrera		=#FF0000]Campbell
=#BF8000].

Elster88
Sep 26 2015 05:36 PM
Re: Pick 25

I voted for Uribe assuming he'll be healthy.

Gwreck
Sep 26 2015 05:45 PM
Re: Pick 25

Matz is a lock and not on the bubble.

I saw that Rubin suggested today that Niese could take the spot of Gilmartin in the bullpen.

Elster88
Sep 26 2015 05:49 PM
Re: Pick 25

Keith said on the radio a couple of days ago that Matz would be the fourth starter.

Edgy MD
Sep 26 2015 06:11 PM
Re: Pick 25

Edgy MD wrote:
(so please don't argue with the table)

Jeez, guys.

Gwreck
Sep 26 2015 06:32 PM
Re: Pick 25

I think calling it "a snapshot of sorta where things sit now" invites a response when it is clearly in error.

Anyway, I voted for my 25 choices. I like the idea of Niese in the bullpen, and I think Uribe will make it back for the NLDS. Last guy I left off was Carlos Torres.

I'm curious who voted for the Mets to not carry a backup catcher (or is that Goeddel's role?). I like aggressive strategy.

Edgy MD
Sep 26 2015 06:37 PM
Re: Pick 25

Gwreck wrote:
I think calling it "a snapshot of sorta where things sit now" invites a response when it is clearly in error.

Double Jeez.

Gwreck
Sep 26 2015 06:42 PM
Re: Pick 25

Edgy MD wrote:
Double Jeez.


Indeed. Right back 'atcha.

Let's Go Mets! National League East Champs!!!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 26 2015 09:45 PM
Re: Pick 25

I take Niuewy over Young and Goeddel over Torres, not that that's a biggie.

I'm thinking I must have inadvertently left off a starter or two because it was easier than I thought.

Edgy MD
Sep 26 2015 09:54 PM
Re: Pick 25

Goeddel has gotten some support. Torres is in need of some work, I guess. He needs to prove he's healthy.

Surprisingly, Johnson has been named on all 11 ballots, topping Uribe (7 votes) decisively. Uribe may be the more inspiring player, but in the cold light of day, voters not only see the health issue, but the versatility Johnson brings, not to mention the left-handed stick off the bench, which'll come in handy, seeing as they are unlikely to find room for Nieuwenhuis. And frankly, he'd come in handy even if they can, seeing as he gives a team more contact and consistency.

Johnson is proof that every team could use two Daniel Murphys.

d'Arnaud has been named on 11 ballots and Plawecki 10, while neither Recker nor Monell have gotten a single vote. So one of you maniacs wants to head to the playoffs with single catcher.

Elster88
Sep 26 2015 10:08 PM
Re: Pick 25

Edgy MD wrote:
Edgy MD wrote:
(so please don't argue with the table)

Jeez, guys.


Not arguing! Just supplementing. I like the colors.

Edgy MD
Sep 26 2015 10:37 PM
Re: Pick 25

There's some pretty solid consensus developing, based on the votes thus far.

The next thing to decide then is which of the six starting pitchers you're planning to carry gets held back in emergency duty/bumped to the pen.

STARTERS (6)
Bartolo Colon 12
Jacob deGrom 12
Matt Harvey 12
Steven Matz 12
Noah Syndergaard 12
Jon Niese 9		NON-STARTERS (1)
Tim Stauffer 0
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RELIEVERS (5)
Tyler Clippard 12
Jeurys Familia 12
Addison Reed 12
Hansel Robles 10
Erik Goeddel 7
.		RELIEVED (6)
Sean Gilmartin 6
Logan Verrett 3
Carlos Torres 1
Bobby Parnell 1
Dario Alvarez 1
Eric O'Flaherty 0
CATCHERS (2)
Travis d'Arnaud 12
Kevin Plawecki 11		BELLY-SCRATCHERS (2)
Anthony Recker 0
Johnny Monell 0
INFIELDERS (7)
David Wright 12
Lucas Duda 12
Daniel Murphy 12
Ruben Tejada 12
Kelly Johnson 12
Wilmer Flores 11
Juan Uribe 8		FUTILITY INFIELDERS (2)
Eric Campbell 0
Dilson Herrera 0
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OUTFIELDERS (5)
Yoenis Cespedes 12
Curtis Granderson 12
Michael Conforto 12
Juan Lagares 12
Michael Cuddyer 11		LEFT-OUTFIELDERS (2)
Kirk Nieuwenhuis 3
Eric Young, Jr. 0
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Elster88
Sep 26 2015 10:49 PM
Re: Pick 25

Edgy MD wrote:
There's some pretty solid consensus developing, based on the votes thus far.

The next thing to decide then is which of the six starting pitchers you're planning to carry gets bumped to the pen.

I have a thread for that.

[url]http://www.cranepoolforum.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=23345

Edgy MD
Sep 27 2015 05:10 AM
Re: Pick 25

Looks like the voters refuse to make the hard choice between Uribe and Johnson (and Lagares and Cuddyer), and instead decide to brave it with an 11-man staff, including only five experienced relievers.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 27 2015 06:15 AM
Re: Pick 25

In the Postseason Musings thread, I said that I wanted an 11-man pitching staff and the following roster: DeGrom, Harvey, Syndergaard, Matz, Familia, Clippard, Reed, Robles, Colon, Niese, Goeddel, d'Arnaud, Plawecki, Duda, Murphy, Johnson, Flores, Tejada, Uribe, Wright, Cespedes, Conforto, Granderson, Lagares, Cuddyer.

If there's a 12th pitcher, I'd add Verrett and probably give him Uribe's spot, now that Juan is questionable.

If it's' still 11 pitchers, and Uribe can't play, then I'd make the bench a little more left-handed and select Nieuwenhuis.

I know we're not supposed to disagree with the all-knowing chart, but I'm with Gwreck. Everything I've heard and read indicates that Matz is expected to be on the postseason roster and in the rotation as the fourth starter.

bmfc1
Sep 27 2015 06:55 AM
Re: Pick 25

I voted Young, based on Gelbs report and Gary's comment. No if Uribe is healthy but I think that Terry wants the option.

MFS62
Sep 27 2015 07:22 AM
Re: Pick 25

Who didn't vote for Wilmer? 'Splain please, Lucie. Who else would play short in a crucial series?

Later

Lefty Specialist
Sep 27 2015 09:09 AM
Re: Pick 25

I voted for young. I like having a guy like that when you're down a run in the 8th and a slow guy gets a leadoff single.

Gwreck
Sep 27 2015 09:42 AM
Re: Pick 25

MFS62 wrote:
Who didn't vote for Wilmer? 'Splain please, Lucie. Who else would play short in a crucial series?


There have been 16 voters but only 396 total votes. Somewhere between 1 and 4 people thought the Mets should be playing the series with fewer than 25 players.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 27 2015 10:47 AM
Re: Pick 25

That's probably not the best idea.

Although the Mets did get through the entire 1986 postseason only using 22 players.

Vic Sage
Sep 27 2015 11:01 AM
Re: Pick 25

Gilmartin over Goeddel - can't have Niese as the only LHP in the pen; and
Nieuhenheis over Uribe - LHed bat off the bench and Uribe too banged up
Matz over Torres - i'm not sure why this is even a thing

d'Kong76
Sep 27 2015 11:20 AM
Re: Pick 25

O'Flaherty getting 0'Love...

A Boy Named Seo
Sep 27 2015 11:25 AM
Re: Pick 25

bmfc1 wrote:
I voted Young, based on Gelbs report and Gary's comment. No if Uribe is healthy but I think that Terry wants the option.


I might be inclined to do the same. Think were will at least 1 time late in a game, we'll wish we had a Dave Roberts in the dugout to pinch run and swipe second.

Zvon
Sep 27 2015 12:27 PM
Re: Pick 25

I picked Recker over Plawecki only because I'm sure Reck has a HUGE home run in him that he hasn't hit yet.

Zvon
Sep 27 2015 12:54 PM
Re: Pick 25

I may want to rethink that.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 27 2015 01:01 PM
Re: Pick 25

Recker is very definitely below Plawecki on the depth chart.

Edgy MD
Sep 27 2015 03:27 PM
Re: Pick 25

Gilmartin pulling into a late tie with Goeddel. It's good to be a lefty.

Battles among the relievers on the bubble may be some of the biggest drama of the remaining games.

This is really interesting. I can't remember ever having to worry about leaving more than one effective weapon behind. The Mets could be leaving six.

STARTERS (6)
Jacob deGrom 19
Matt Harvey 19
Steven Matz 19
Noah Syndergaard 19
Bartolo Colon 18
Jon Niese 15		NON-STARTERS (1)
Tim Stauffer 0
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RELIEVERS (5)
Tyler Clippard 19
Jeurys Familia 19
Addison Reed 18
Hansel Robles 17
=#FF0000]Erik Goeddel 9
.		RELIEVED (6)
=#FF0000]Sean Gilmartin 9
Logan Verrett 4
Dario Alvarez 2
Carlos Torres 2
Bobby Parnell 1
Eric O'Flaherty 0
CATCHERS (2)
Travis d'Arnaud 19
Kevin Plawecki 16		BELLY-SCRATCHERS (2)
Anthony Recker 3
Johnny Monell 0
INFIELDERS (7)
David Wright 19
Lucas Duda 19
Daniel Murphy 19
Ruben Tejada 19
Kelly Johnson 19
Wilmer Flores 18
Juan Uribe 12		FUTILITY INFIELDERS (2)
Eric Campbell 0
Dilson Herrera 0
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OUTFIELDERS (5)
Yoenis Cespedes 19
Curtis Granderson 19
Juan Lagares 19
Michael Conforto 18
Michael Cuddyer 17		LEFT-OUTFIELDERS (2)
Kirk Nieuwenhuis 5
Eric Young, Jr. 2
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John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 27 2015 06:55 PM
Re: Pick 25

it's tough to make a case for Lagares over several guys in the right column. Basically, you're looking at a defensive replacement who wouldn't also be your 1st pinch hitter or 1st pinch runner.

Edgy MD
Sep 27 2015 07:24 PM
Re: Pick 25

And yet all 20 voters have gone for him.

I think, while none of us perhaps want to make the argument, there might be something to be said for the idea that a guy has been in the trenches with you all year, and it might undercut the whole esprit d'corps to toss him aside now, as much of a luxury or a redundancy has he may have become. Applies to Niese also.

And hey, the world needs redundancies too.

But I do imagine he'll be the pinch-runner that Young might have been had their been room for him.

Elster88
Sep 27 2015 09:59 PM
Re: Pick 25

Rubin says deGrom will start game 1. Not unexpected.
[url]http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/111280/jacob-degrom-rebounds-after-skipped-start

Elster88
Sep 27 2015 10:01 PM
Re: Pick 25

From the same article:
Meanwhile, the four Mets starters in the series -- Steven Matz, Noah Syndergaard, Matt Harvey and deGrom -- combined to strike out 34 and issue no walks.


I know the K/BB ratio for the whole team has been amazing all year and Colon was a big part of that ratio.

But holy shit what a stat.

Gwreck
Sep 28 2015 01:54 AM
Re: Pick 25

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
it's tough to make a case for Lagares over several guys in the right column. Basically, you're looking at a defensive replacement who wouldn't also be your 1st pinch hitter or 1st pinch runner.


I have no problem seeing him as a pinch runner. The difference in speed between Lagares and Young is far smaller than the defensive gap between Lagares and Young.

I suppose Nieuwenhuis is the player that splits the difference between the two.

duan
Sep 28 2015 04:10 AM
Re: Pick 25

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
it's tough to make a case for Lagares over several guys in the right column. Basically, you're looking at a defensive replacement who wouldn't also be your 1st pinch hitter or 1st pinch runner.

He's had a .780 ops vs lefties.
Cutter's is .720
Grandy's is .563
Conforto is .397 (small sample alert and his Minor League numbers didn't show a convincing split)
and while Cespedes has knocked the shite out of them for us, his career OPS vs lefties is .787.

To my mind you can make a very good case for starting him against the lefties.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 28 2015 11:05 AM
Re: Pick 25

But right this minute? If I need a RBI-potential pinch hit vs. a LHP, I'm going with Cuddyer or Uribe (if healthy) or Flores -- whichever of those hasn't been in yet -- before I get to Lagares. You could even fake it with Plawecki or Tejada, if the assignment is to lead off an inning as a PH.

Neiwy on the other hand can take Lagares' defensive assignments, pinch-runs every bit as well, has more Powa potential and unlike Lagares isn't stacked behind 3 or 4 others who have the same handedness -- just Johnson, really.

Edgy MD
Sep 28 2015 11:14 AM
Re: Pick 25

It's an interesting choice.

Lagares has certainly shown value as a bench player since Cespedes took over and even since Cuddy returned from the DL. He's probably a better on-base threat than Nieuwenhuis and Flores, while lacking either of their power, and certainly better on the bases than Flores and probably a wash with Kirk. He comes in against a lefty, he's probably not as screwed if the opposition goes to a right-hander as Kirk would be in the opposite scenario. He also brings more defense than Nieuwenhuis, if only somewhat, considering that Kirk has a right fielder's arm, and Laggy seems to have a throwing impediment that he's playing with.

But all your points are valid, particularly that the bench is deeper from the right side than the left, and going to Kirk over Laggy (or Cuddy!) could bring some balance. And Cuddy ain't gonna be left behind.

Tough choices!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Sep 28 2015 12:38 PM
Re: Pick 25

I'm all for esprit de corps, but I'm not sure there's a situation in which Niese is warming up to come into a playoff game that makes me feel good. But there are ten days to change minds, yet. In the meantime, give me Goeddel or Gilmartin (or Verrett, even), and give Hawky a huge bottle of Dom/some venison jerky to enjoy at home.

If Uribe's out, are you taking an extra outfielder from the speed/D reserves? Or an extra arm? Dilson?

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 28 2015 12:51 PM
Re: Pick 25

If it's an extra-inning game, or the Mets starter is removed early, I'd rather put in Niese and try to get three or four innings from him instead of trying to churn through the rest of the game stringing together a lot of one-inning pitchers.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 28 2015 12:56 PM
Re: Pick 25

I left Gilmartin at home. Sorry, Gilly.

Niese may not give you the warmies but what's the worst that could happen? I'm taking all 6 starters with the expectation that they're better at relieving than all but the top 3 relievers, plus Goeddel (cuz he's been pretty good) plus Robles (cuz he's a fuckin badass).

That might mean Matz and Niese could be used to get out Adrian Gonzalez with the game on the line, but also that they'd be around to give you quality in extra inning games and stuff.

Edgy MD
Sep 28 2015 01:20 PM
Re: Pick 25

I imagine that the braintrust is going kick themselves no matter what. If they take Niese over a practiced relief pitcher, and Niese has a bad relief outing, they'll get killed. A small ugly part of them is probably hoping that an injury or two helps make the choice easier.

I expect Terry to try Niese as a reliever once or twice over the final two series to get him acclimated. I think that giving a start to Johnson at shortstop — acclimating him for any emergency duty he might be needed for over there — was a good indicator that he'll be on the bus.

An argument we've overlooked for Uribe: Injury or not, that guy wins rings in odd-numbered years.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 28 2015 01:22 PM
Re: Pick 25

I guess with Uribe, its all health. Can miss DS and be back for CS/WS.

Mets – Willets Point
Sep 28 2015 01:25 PM
Re: Pick 25

One odd year (2005 White Sox) and one even year (2010 Giants). But looks like he's on an every five year pattern.

Edgy MD
Sep 28 2015 01:27 PM
Re: Pick 25

That's it. My mistake.

Ow, stop hitting me, Paps! OW!

Elster88
Sep 28 2015 06:09 PM
Re: Pick 25

I'd like to think that his nickname is Paps.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Sep 28 2015 06:21 PM
Re: Pick 25

I understand having a guy or two who can give you multiple innings in an extra-innings situation, but you've got that if you take Matz and one of Colon or Niese. Don't you expect close-and-late with men on base more often (and wouldn't planning for that in multiple games per series be more prudent)?

Zvon
Sep 28 2015 07:48 PM
Re: Pick 25

Have we done a poll here in regards to team MVP for the season? Or should what happens in the post be a factor? It's not like this is N.L. MVP.
Post season might fairly be included as part of the equation when it comes to a team MVP. Should it?

Frayed Knot
Sep 28 2015 08:03 PM
Re: Pick 25

Have we done a poll here in regards to team MVP for the season? Or should what happens in the post be a factor? It's not like this is N.L. MVP.
Post season might fairly be included as part of the equation when it comes to a team MVP. Should it?


We've been doing an annual thing every off-season for over a dozen years now where those who want to participate make a list of the top 30 NYM players for the just completed year and rank them from top to bottom as to their contribution to the season. Here's the 2014 thread: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=21987
So the top guy would be each player's MVP and we come up with an overall consensus by considering all the votes entered.
In years when there is post-season play the contributions in the playoffs absolutely count towards who was that season's top performer. To what extent is up to the individual voter.

Not that any of that means you can't start your own MVP thread for the reg season if you want. No reason it has to be an either/or thing.

Zvon
Sep 28 2015 08:23 PM
Re: Pick 25

Have we done a poll here in regards to team MVP for the season? Or should what happens in the post be a factor? It's not like this is N.L. MVP.
Post season might fairly be included as part of the equation when it comes to a team MVP. Should it?


We've been doing an annual thing every off-season for over a dozen years now where those who want to participate make a list of the top 30 NYM players for the just completed year and rank them from top to bottom as to their contribution to the season. Here's the 2014 thread: http://www.cranepoolforum.net/phpBB3/vi ... =4&t=21987
So the top guy would be each player's MVP and we come up with an overall consensus by considering all the votes entered.
In years when there is post-season play the contributions in the playoffs absolutely count towards who was that season's top performer. To what extent is up to the individual voter.

Not that any of that means you can't start your own MVP thread for the reg season if you want. No reason it has to be an either/or thing.


I was debating with myself about starting a thread/poll, but then it occurred to me that the postseason could/should matter. I'm up in there air now.

I think Grandy is our regular season MVP. Just recently Familia has been creeping into my thinking, but that could only mean a split vote because I don't think anyone's contributions during the dark days of 2015 were as big as Curtis's. Is there a way to split a vote in one of those polls?

This is no big deal. I'm making a banner and card for team MVP and I think it would be fairer to get a group consensus as opposed to just what I think. And if most want to wait for after the postseason I can wait.

Frayed Knot
Sep 28 2015 08:26 PM
Re: Pick 25

Zvon wrote:
This is no big deal. I'm making a banner and card for team MVP and I think it would be fairer to get a group consensus as opposed to just what I think. And if most want to wait for after the postseason I can wait.


Stick around in the off-season.
It's not like we quit talking about this team or baseball in general just because it gets cold outside.

Zvon
Sep 28 2015 08:31 PM
Re: Pick 25

Frayed Knot wrote:
Zvon wrote:
This is no big deal. I'm making a banner and card for team MVP and I think it would be fairer to get a group consensus as opposed to just what I think. And if most want to wait for after the postseason I can wait.


Stick around in the off-season.
It's not like we quit talking about this team or baseball in general just because it gets cold outside.


I usually do because this place helps make the off season go faster. Somehow.

Gwreck
Sep 28 2015 09:03 PM
Re: Pick 25

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Neiwy on the other hand can take Lagares' defensive assignments, pinch-runs every bit as well, has more Powa potential and unlike Lagares isn't stacked behind 3 or 4 others who have the same handedness -- just Johnson, really.


Would you consider starting Lagares in the Kershaw game?

Granderson, 2015 vs. LHP: .275 OBP, .288 SLG in 142 PAs
Lagares, 2015 vs. LHP: .336 OBP, .444 SLG in 128 PAs.


I think I want this lineup in against Kershaw:
Flores SS
Wright 3B
Cespedes CF
D'Arnaud C
Cuddyer LF
Duda 1B
Lagares RF
Murphy 2B

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Sep 29 2015 05:43 AM
Re: Pick 25

SSS ALERT

Murphy vs. Kershaw, career: 3/10 (!), 0 XBH, 0 K, 0 BB
Uribe vs. Kershaw, career: 3/11, 1 HR, 1 2B, 3 K, 0 BB
Cuddyer vs. Kershaw, career: 4/16, 0 XBH, 3 K, 0 BB
Johnson vs. Kershaw, career: 3/15, 1 HR, 5 K, 0 BB
Granderson vs. Kershaw, career: 1/10, 0 XBH, 1 K, 1 BB
Duda vs. Kershaw, career: 1/10, 0 XBH, 7 K, 1 BB
Lagares vs. Kershaw, career: 0/7, 1 K, 0 BB
Cespedes vs. Kershaw, career: 0/3, 0 K, 0 BB

Edgy MD
Sep 29 2015 06:25 AM
Re: Pick 25

So, just for curiosity's sake, who kicked Conforto off the bus?

Gwreck
Sep 29 2015 07:10 AM
Re: Pick 25

I assume that's one of the voters who didn't actually select 25.

Edgy MD
Sep 29 2015 11:26 AM
Re: Pick 25

Interesting that we're all carrying Matz, even though the role for him isn't clear. Also notable is general agreement that there is no room for Carlos Torres, despite there having been room for about three seasons now.

Congratulations to Dilson Herrera on his first taste of support. But the Goeddel/Gilmartin clash goes on.

STARTERS (6)
Jacob deGrom 24
Matt Harvey 24
Steven Matz 24
Noah Syndergaard 24
Bartolo Colon 22
Jon Niese 19		NON-STARTERS (1)
Tim Stauffer 0
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RELIEVERS (5)
Jeurys Familia 24
Tyler Clippard 24
Addison Reed 23
Hansel Robles 22
=#FF0000]Erik Goeddel 10
.		RELIEVED (6)
=#FF0000]Sean Gilmartin 10
Logan Verrett 6
Carlos Torres 2
Dario Alvarez 2
Bobby Parnell 1
Eric O'Flaherty 0
CATCHERS (2)
Travis d'Arnaud 24
Kevin Plawecki 21		BELLY-SCRATCHERS (2)
Anthony Recker 3
Johnny Monell 0
INFIELDERS (7)
David Wright 24
Lucas Duda 24
Daniel Murphy 24
Ruben Tejada 24
Kelly Johnson 24
Wilmer Flores 23
Juan Uribe 16		FUTILITY INFIELDERS (2)
Dilson Herrera 1
Eric Campbell 0
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OUTFIELDERS (5)
Yoenis Cespedes 24
Curtis Granderson 24
Juan Lagares 24
Michael Conforto 23
Michael Cuddyer 22		LEFT-OUTFIELDERS (2)
Kirk Nieuwenhuis 6
Eric Young, Jr. 4
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Do the leftovers get invited to travel, dress, and work out with the team?

Nymr83
Sep 29 2015 11:35 AM
Re: Pick 25

Gwreck wrote:
I assume that's one of the voters who didn't actually select 25.


Flores also only has 24 of 25 votes. this thing really doesnt work if someone doesnt bother to select a whole team

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 29 2015 11:36 AM
Re: Pick 25

I think I'm one of those guys who screwed up the 25. Sorry!

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 29 2015 11:42 AM
Re: Pick 25

Edgy MD wrote:
Do the leftovers get invited to travel, dress, and work out with the team?


I think that they do, in case an emergency substitution has to be made. (Is it still true that that can only happen between series? Or has that rule been revised?)

Edgy MD
Sep 29 2015 11:43 AM
Re: Pick 25

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I think I'm one of those guys who screwed up the 25. Sorry!


It's programmed to allow for revotes. Edit your ballots as new information becomes available!

My guess is some of the long-timers and hard cuts will get get to t/d/w with the team.

O'Flaherty and Monell, maybe not.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 29 2015 12:11 PM
Re: Pick 25

I'm thinking the travel/dress/workout guys would be people like Young, Nieuwenhuis, Recker, Campbell, Gilmartin, Verrett. (Assuming, of course, that they don't make the roster. One or two of the players I listed might make the cut.)

Frayed Knot
Sep 29 2015 12:24 PM
Re: Pick 25

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Edgy MD wrote:
Do the leftovers get invited to travel, dress, and work out with the team?


I think that they do, in case an emergency substitution has to be made. (Is it still true that that can only happen between series? Or has that rule been revised?)


They've loosened up the rules somewhat from the days when El Duque couldn't even be replaced after getting hurt during a rain delay prior to the series even beginning (because it occurred after the roster freezing date).
So if there's a legit injury (not quite sure how you define that) there can be an in-round replacement with some restrictions. It has to be player for player, or pitcher for pitcher (no mixing) and I believe the player removed is not eligible for any future rounds should his team advance.

Edgy MD
Sep 29 2015 12:31 PM
Re: Pick 25

The irony is that they altered the rule because the Mets seemingly got caught with their pants down when Hernandez got hurt. But they ended up flourishing behind Oliver Perez — sort of fixing what wasn't really broke.

Is it that hard to carry more than four starters?

G-Fafif
Sep 29 2015 04:28 PM
Re: Pick 25

As I recall, the issue wasn't replacing Hernandez in the NLDS (I believe Royce Ring got the call, but was never used). It was not being able to replace Floyd on the eve of the NLCS.

Either way, somebody lock O'Flaherty in his room at the 114th St. Holiday Inn until November 4, just in case.

Edgy MD
Sep 29 2015 06:17 PM
Re: Pick 25

I root for O'Flaherty to knock 'em dead over these last two series and make the choice as hard as possible.

Harder than it is now for the 25 of us, anyhow.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 29 2015 06:19 PM
Re: Pick 25

That would be nice. I remember a younger version of myself thinking that my worst nightmare would be seeing Doug Sisk pitching in a World Series game for the Mets, but then it happened and it wasn't so bad.

Gwreck
Sep 29 2015 08:01 PM
Re: Pick 25

G-Fafif wrote:
As I recall, the issue wasn't replacing Hernandez in the NLDS (I believe Royce Ring got the call, but was never used). It was not being able to replace Floyd on the eve of the NLCS.


Didn't Cliff start game 1 of the NLCS, though? And got injured running the bases?

G-Fafif
Sep 30 2015 11:06 AM
Re: Pick 25

Gwreck wrote:
G-Fafif wrote:
As I recall, the issue wasn't replacing Hernandez in the NLDS (I believe Royce Ring got the call, but was never used). It was not being able to replace Floyd on the eve of the NLCS.


Didn't Cliff start game 1 of the NLCS, though? And got injured running the bases?


You're right about Game One. Was iffy to begin with, though he talked himself onto the roster after hurting himself in Game Three vs LA.

Edgy MD
Sep 30 2015 01:41 PM
Re: Pick 25

DariOH! rejoining the team after missing two weeks with a groin injury. Big chance to improve upon your two-vote total, son.

Edgy MD
Sep 30 2015 06:26 PM
Re: Pick 25

I'm just remembering now that part of the issue with the injury replacement in 1986 was that Game One was postponed, pushing the first three games forward by a day, and taking out the day off, making it suddenly unviable to go with three starting pitchers.

I'm also suddenly remembering that Jerry Blevins has delusionally argued that he could be ready for the post-season. Maybe he should have been in the poll.

Edgy MD
Oct 01 2015 12:50 PM
Re: Pick 25

One thing to come out of this crappy series is that Kirk Nieuwenhuis outplayed Juan Lagares, which may feed into the Mets thinking.

It may feed into YOURS!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Oct 01 2015 12:53 PM
Re: Pick 25

I'm open to that consideration. I'm also definitely in favor of leaving Dario-Alvarez-against-righties off the 25-man.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 01 2015 01:15 PM
Re: Pick 25

Gilmartin may have edged out Goeddel for me. If Carlos Torres could be trusted I'd move him in, but he hasn't proven that yet. He was much better before he gave up 52.

MFS62
Oct 01 2015 01:26 PM
Re: Pick 25

heard on Sports Radio yesterday (don't remember which station) that lefties only hit about .125 against Tyler this year.
Just saying.

Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Oct 01 2015 02:23 PM
Re: Pick 25

.138/.232/.239 over 156 PA. Really, it's just an extension of the reverse-splatoon-splits he's exhibited since his career began (.182/.265/.307, against .200/.287/.361 when facing righties), likely because of his changeup's movement against southpaws, some speculate.

Edgy MD
Oct 01 2015 03:25 PM
Re: Pick 25

Unfortunately, those splits didn't show up yesterday.

G-Fafif
Oct 02 2015 02:18 PM
Re: Pick 25

Matz and Uribe reportedly not healing like crazy. Also, Wilmer has strep throat (but it's sure nice talking to you, Dad, it's sure nice talking to you...).

Edgy MD
Oct 02 2015 02:41 PM
Re: Pick 25

Not quite as important, but still thrilling, is that we have 28 users willing to fill out a very complicated poll, as long as it doesn't require spending too much time watching eighties videos.

Gilmartin has moved ahead in the battle with Goeddel. And poor Carlos Torres is going backwards, and now sits behind Bobby Parnell.

STARTERS (6)
Jacob deGrom 28
Matt Harvey 28
Steven Matz 28
Noah Syndergaard 28
Bartolo Colon 26
Jon Niese 21		NON-STARTERS (1)
Tim Stauffer 0
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RELIEVERS (5)
Tyler Clippard 28
Jeurys Familia 28
Addison Reed 26
Hansel Robles 25
Sean Gilmartin 12
.		RELIEVED (6)
Erik Goeddel 11
Logan Verrett 8
Dario Alvarez 2
Bobby Parnell 2
Carlos Torres 1
Eric O'Flaherty 0
CATCHERS (2)
Travis d'Arnaud 28
Kevin Plawecki 24		BELLY-SCRATCHERS (2)
Anthony Recker 4
Johnny Monell 0
INFIELDERS (7)
Lucas Duda 28
Wilmer Flores 28
Kelly Johnson 28
Daniel Murphy 28
Ruben Tejada 28
David Wright 28
Juan Uribe 20		FUTILITY INFIELDERS (2)
Eric Campbell 0
Dilson Herrera 1
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OUTFIELDERS (5)
Yoenis Cespedes 28
Curtis Granderson 28
Michael Conforto 27
Juan Lagares 27
Michael Cuddyer 26		LEFT-OUTFIELDERS (2)
Kirk Nieuwenhuis 7
Eric Young, Jr. 2
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If Matz can't go, that's goed news for Goeddel (tinged, of course, with some sadness). At least, according to our voters

Our voters also say seventh infielder Uribe would likely yield his spot to sixth outfielder Kirk Niewenhuis. If Flores can't go, things get complex. Do the Mets feel good about riding Tejada through the playoffs, with Kelly Johnson as his backup? Dilson would likely join the team if they are short two infielders, but the possibility remains of an emergency call to Matt Reynolds.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 02 2015 02:43 PM
Re: Pick 25

I hope you guys like blondes as you're all fucking Kirk Nieuwenhuis.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Oct 02 2015 05:14 PM
Re: Pick 25

Oh, calm down, Kirk'll be okay, since Uriboobs are never going to heal, ever.

Edgy MD wrote:
Gilmartin has moved ahead in the battle with Goeddel. And poor Carlos Torres is going backwards, and now sits behind Bobby Parnell.


Seriously, who are the trollfaced lurkers who voted for Wackbeard? I'M CALLIN' YOU OUT

Edgy MD
Oct 02 2015 05:40 PM
Re: Pick 25

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I hope you guys like blondes as you're all fucking Kirk Nieuwenhuis.

It really told me something when Terry pulled Cespedes following the HbP and sent Kirk out there instead of Laggy.

Zvon
Oct 02 2015 05:47 PM
Re: Pick 25

What's the latest on Blevins? Since I put Torres in my dog house I have an open vote.

Edgy MD
Oct 05 2015 06:44 AM
Re: Pick 25

Juan Uribe = "Really Iffy" for Dodger series. You may want to adjust your rosters accordingly.

Steven Matz = Throwing long-toss tomorrow, and scheduled to throw 90-95 pitches in an instructional league game on Thursday if that works out.

Flores, I get the idea is expected to be ready, but I think Tejada may see more time.

Jerry Blevins: no updates. I'm thinking that either that dream is dead (8% likelihood), or the Mets are hiding that ace way up their sleeves (2%).

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Oct 05 2015 10:05 AM
Re: Pick 25

Reports from Mike Vorkunov and others say that Goeddel is in, while Soupy, Recker, Parnell, Verrett, and EY are headed to St. Lucie purgatory.

Kirk's fate appears to be riding on the magnetic-resonance images of another man's insides.

Mets – Willets Point
Oct 05 2015 10:29 AM
Re: Pick 25

Who is the other person who didn't vote for Cuddyer? And can the other 26 explain the postseason value of a guy who gets out on one pitch practically every time he comes to bat? Are we going to save him to pinch hit when there's a runner on third and fewer than 2 outs?

Ceetar
Oct 05 2015 10:36 AM
Re: Pick 25

Mets – Willets Point wrote:
Who is the other person who didn't vote for Cuddyer? And can the other 26 explain the postseason value of a guy who gets out on one pitch practically every time he comes to bat? Are we going to save him to pinch hit when there's a runner on third and fewer than 2 outs?


.302/.352/.458 in the second half. .277/.344/.461 for his career.

He's a better hitter than half the guys on the team.

d'Kong76
Oct 05 2015 10:45 AM
Re: Pick 25

Mets – Willets Point wrote:
Who is the other person who didn't vote for Cuddyer?

Can't go to battle without Coach Cuddy!?! What are they thinking?

Gwreck
Oct 05 2015 11:40 AM
Re: Pick 25

28 Voters x 25 players = 700 spots to pick. Somehow only 695 spots were picked though. Hence the problem.

Edgy MD
Oct 05 2015 11:50 AM
Re: Pick 25

Jeff and Fred voted.

Fman99
Oct 06 2015 06:02 AM
Re: Pick 25

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I hope you guys like blondes as you're all fucking Kirk Nieuwenhuis.


I love blondes. And brunettes and redheads and bald chicks and chicks with purple hair. Now, Kirk, go put on that dress I like.

Gwreck
Oct 06 2015 01:08 PM
Re: Pick 25

Uribe officially ruled out.

Steven Matz threw a bullpen today, Alderson says team is "encouraged" by this.

G-Fafif
Oct 06 2015 01:21 PM
Re: Pick 25

Not sent to PSL, not invited to work out, simply told their season was over, you don't have to go home but you can't stay here: Monell, Herrera, Stauffer, Alvarez and O'Flaherty. As noted upthread, Recker, EYJ, Campbell, Verrett, Parnell are taxi-squadding in Florida.

Not mentioned in any account I've seen: Carlos Torres, who's on the verge of falling off the active roster for the first time since the middle of June 2013.

Edgy MD
Oct 06 2015 01:52 PM
Re: Pick 25

I would encourage all 20 of you Uribe voters to pick another dude.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 06 2015 02:36 PM
Re: Pick 25

Done! I switched to Nieuwenhuis.

Edgy MD
Oct 06 2015 02:42 PM
Re: Pick 25

And three others as well. But 16 Uribe voters remain.

Switch your vote! Don't be a dumbass like Harvey!

Gwreck
Oct 06 2015 03:35 PM
Re: Pick 25

My Uribe vote went to Nieuwenhuis too.

Zvon
Oct 06 2015 04:04 PM
Re: Pick 25

I ditched Torres & Uribe and went with Goeddel & Reed.

Rockin' Doc
Oct 06 2015 05:02 PM
Re: Pick 25

I hate that Uribe isn't able to play. I gave his spot to Nieuwenhuis.

G-Fafif
Oct 06 2015 08:33 PM
Re: Pick 25

Had Nieuwy all along but just deleted Uribe and, in a nod to reality, Verrett. Welcome back Goeddel (and Niese, who I left off earlier in an episode of passive-aggressiveness).

Adam says Gilmartin or Torres will be the 11th pitcher brought along if Matz doesn't make it.

Chad Ochoseis
Oct 06 2015 08:45 PM
Re: Pick 25

One more switch from Uribe to Nieuwenhuis.

I'm the only voter who didn't include Reed on the roster. 20 innings or so and two undeservedly earned runs is pretty good. But his career is only so-so. I took Gilmartin and Goeddel in the pen along with the usual suspects.

Edgy MD
Oct 06 2015 08:55 PM
Re: Pick 25

G-Fafif wrote:
Had Nieuwy all along but just deleted Uribe and, in a nod to reality, Verrett. Welcome back Goeddel (and Niese, who I left off earlier in an episode of passive-aggressiveness).

Adam says Gilmartin or Torres will be the 11th pitcher brought along if Matz doesn't make it.

Health aside, let's make our own reality. I'm really hoping Friday to compare the team we wanted with the team we get.

G-Fafif
Oct 06 2015 09:04 PM
Re: Pick 25

Edgy MD wrote:
G-Fafif wrote:
Had Nieuwy all along but just deleted Uribe and, in a nod to reality, Verrett. Welcome back Goeddel (and Niese, who I left off earlier in an episode of passive-aggressiveness).

Adam says Gilmartin or Torres will be the 11th pitcher brought along if Matz doesn't make it.

Health aside, let's make our own reality. I'm really hoping Friday to compare the team we wanted with the team we get.


I want to get behind whoever's gonna be there.

d'Kong76
Oct 06 2015 09:06 PM
Re: Pick 25

I didn't realize we could tweak. When does the poll close?

Edgy MD
Oct 06 2015 09:19 PM
Re: Pick 25

Officially, never, I think.

But in the spirit of the thing, I guess it closes when the Mets announce their roster.

Mets – Willets Point
Oct 07 2015 08:14 AM
Re: Pick 25

Are they able to reset their roster for future series if Matz or Uribe are healthy again?

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 07 2015 08:16 AM
Re: Pick 25

Yes.

G-Fafif
Oct 07 2015 12:44 PM
Re: Pick 25

Sean, Gil and Martin are the 26th man in case of Matzless playoffs (he needs three first names to replace him). Carlos Torres has been dispatched to Port St. Lucie. Alex Torres is shopping at Lids and getting nowhere.

Mets – Willets Point
Oct 09 2015 12:08 PM
Re: Pick 25

25 are picked.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 09 2015 12:11 PM
Re: Pick 25

Goeddel and Newy in. Gilmartin out.

Ceetar
Oct 09 2015 12:20 PM
Re: Pick 25

no surprises.

Lefty Specialist
Oct 09 2015 12:35 PM
Re: Pick 25

I may pull a Terry Collins and pee my pants waiting for 9:45.

Edgy MD
Oct 09 2015 12:45 PM
Re: Pick 25

Amazin'. If you give the Nieuwenhuis/Uribe tie to Nieuwie, we practically have the same team the Mets chose.

Our only mistake is carrying them both, while throwing Goeddel overboard.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 09 2015 12:50 PM
Re: Pick 25

We were unanimous on 16 of the 25 roster spots.

The nine who we didn't all agree on were as follows. (The number after each name is the number of people here who deemed the player unworthy.)

[list:3h08sufu]Colon 2
Goeddel 15
Niese 6
Reed 1
Robles 3
Plawecki 4
Conforto 1
Cuddyer 2
Nieuwenhuis 16[/list:u:3h08sufu]

Edgy MD
Oct 09 2015 01:01 PM
Re: Pick 25

Terry has a job for himself. More than half his pitching staff are starting pitchers, and all his offensive players save for Plawecki and Nieuwenhuis were starters or platooners for most or all of the season.

Daniel Murphy could start every game. Kelly Johnson could start none. But I'd hate to drive a truck through the difference between the two.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 16 2015 11:07 AM
Re: Pick 25

I assume we'll roll into the NLCS with the same roster that we had at the close of the NLDS? Latest reports indicate that Juan Uribe is still not ready to play. I'm not sure what other moves they might make. Perhaps swap Goeddel for someone else? I don't expect that they'll do that, but when do we know for sure?

d'Kong76
Oct 16 2015 11:13 AM
Re: Pick 25

I poked around but couldn't find a deadline but I imagine it's late
this afternoon sometimes?

Rockin' Doc
Oct 16 2015 02:02 PM
Re: Pick 25

I was hoping that Uribe would be well enough to join the team, but I had not heard anything regarding his status. If he is unavailable, then I believe the Met will leave the roster the same as it was for the NLDS.

RealityChuck
Oct 16 2015 05:32 PM
Re: Pick 25

Sandy is saying he won't be available.

I hope that the Mets blow out the Cubs so much that Matt Reynolds gets to play.

Edgy MD
Oct 16 2015 08:20 PM
Re: Pick 25

I'm guessing that Jerry Blevins is right out.

One thing about the Cubsters is that the numbers suggest they're lefty-vulnerable.

bmfc1
Oct 17 2015 08:43 AM
Re: Pick 25

Gilmartin in, Goodell out.

Frayed Knot
Oct 17 2015 08:57 AM
Re: Pick 25

bmfc1 wrote:
Gilmartin in, Goodell out.


Montero, Schwarber, Rizzo, LaStella, Coughlin

Not that Gimartin's your classic LOOGY, but it should be a help anyway.

Edgy MD
Oct 17 2015 09:57 AM
Re: Pick 25

I like.

HahnSolo
Oct 22 2015 07:17 AM
Re: Pick 25

For the World Series, does anyone think we'll see a roster adjustment anywhere?

I'm guessing no*, unless Uribe makes a miraculous recovery (maybe Murphy should visit him and place his hand on the injury to make it all better?). With the DH it might be nice to have Uribe if healthy.

* also assuming Cespedes is healthy.

Edgy MD
Oct 22 2015 07:21 AM
Re: Pick 25

I think they might make a bullpen swapout after the ALCS plays out, perhaps depending on the makeup of the opponent. The Jays' three biggest bats (by far) are all right-handed, so the need for Gilmartin is perhaps lessened.

MFS62
Oct 22 2015 08:44 AM
Re: Pick 25

Any word yet about Uribe being able to play?

Later

Lefty Specialist
Oct 22 2015 09:16 AM
Re: Pick 25

MFS62 wrote:
Any word yet about Uribe being able to play?

Later


Took batting and fielding practice before Game 2. So I'd expect him to be on the WS roster barring a setback.

Sorry about that, Matt Reynolds.

Edgy MD
Oct 22 2015 09:29 AM
Re: Pick 25

I'm not sure Reynolds would be the victim of such a comeuppance. They Mets still need a backup shortstop and it's an open question whether Johnson or Uribe qualifies to Terry's satisfaction.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 22 2015 09:55 AM
Re: Pick 25

I was thinking the same thing. I see that Uribe has played quite a bit of shortstop during his career, but I don't know what his current capabilities are. Uribe may bump Nieuwenhuis instead of Reynolds.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 23 2015 03:20 PM
Re: Pick 25

Mike Puma, New York Post wrote:
Juan Uribe, who was not on the Mets roster for either of the first two rounds of the playoffs due to a chest injury, took grounders and is scheduled to take batting practice Saturday. Still, manager Terry Collins seemed reluctant to place the 36-year-old on the 25-man roster for the World Series following a nearly month-long layoff.