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Edgy MD Oct 05 2015 07:39 PM

I'm at my wits end with Draft Kings ads, and then I stumbled upon this ol' quote from Rob Manfred, from a Charlie Vascellero article about players being forbidden from participating in daily fantasy games. "There is a clear legal line and, quite frankly, we spent some considerable effort and money to make sure we knew where DraftKings is in relation to that line and we're very comfortable with the idea that it's fantasy," Manfred said at the conference, organized by the SportsBusiness Journal. "Having said that, fantasy is a very important method of engagement, particularly with younger people." This is how they engage younger people?

Ceetar Oct 05 2015 07:43 PM Re: Draft Kings

fantasy football/baseball are pretty big, yes. and presumably with the younger crowd too.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 05 2015 07:48 PM Re: Draft Kings

Both Draft Kings and its rival FanDuel (whose icky commercials feature the slimy testimony "doncha wanna piece of the pie?") are backed by oodles of private equity $$ who see a huge land grab in front of them (hence all the commercials), and lots to be made from the pockets of idiotic 20-somethings. Kuhn's shunning Willie Mays might have been over the top but almost preferable to Lunchpail watching the highlights in the morning and reminding me who today's Draft Kings top picks are.

Ceetar Oct 05 2015 07:54 PM Re: Draft Kings

Not saying this is how it's gonna go or that we should even care, but if baseball is going to move to a more national game than a regional one, fantasy sports and gambling are probably how it's going to get there.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 05 2015 08:00 PM Re: Draft Kings

I'm not even sure there's a meaningful distinction between regional and national or why that's even necessary considering baseball's already in every large Metro area in the US (and just about all the small ones), but all the same I'd prefer it be supported on the business level by Gillette Foamy and Budweiser, as God intended.

Frayed Knot Oct 05 2015 08:01 PM Re: Draft Kings

Among the other political issues we're NOT having open and honest debates about, this nation's long and mostly hypocritical stance* towards gambling is yet another one.' This fantasy stuff slides by because it's been tabbed as a game of skill rather than chance so it's technically not gambling (yet poker receives no such waiver) which not only gives it the stamp of approval but does so while keeping many possible sources of competition strictly NOT legal. But it certainly does resemble gambling in that most of the winning is done by a small handful of essentially professional players who are at liberty to play and bankroll multiple 'games' per day with the idea that one or more will hit. Meanwhile the minnows dipping their toes into the water, or the ones who are conned by the commercials that make it seem like every entrant is a winner, are merely funneling their dough to the sharks which makes both the pros and the ones running the games very happy. * many state & local governments were and are quite anti-gambling except when it comes to the forms over which they long held monopolistic control: lotteries, racetracks, etc.

Ceetar Oct 05 2015 08:08 PM Re: Draft Kings

Among the other political issues we're NOT having open and honest debates about, this nation's long and mostly hypocritical stance* towards gambling is yet another one.' This fantasy stuff slides by because it's been tabbed as a game of skill rather than chance so it's technically not gambling (yet poker receives no such waiver) which not only gives it the stamp of approval but does so while keeping many possible sources of competition strictly NOT legal. But it certainly does resemble gambling in that most of the winning is done by a small handful of essentially professional players who are at liberty to play and bankroll multiple 'games' per day with the idea that one or more will hit. Meanwhile the minnows dipping their toes into the water, or the ones who are conned by the commercials that make it seem like every entrant is a winner, are merely funneling their dough to the sharks which makes both the pros and the ones running the games very happy. * many state & local governments were and are quite anti-gambling except when it comes to the forms over which they long held monopolistic control: lotteries, racetracks, etc. not just the nation, but sports leagues. Anyway, I'm definitely in the pro-gambling boat, but this should be treated as such. While what sports players do is skill based, what happens on any one day is pretty damn close to a coin flip. On equal footing, a random selection will win roughly as much as someone that watches the sport religiously.(which is not true in poker, which is just inane) Not much different than the 'beat the streak' contests MLB runs to pick a different hitter each day to get a hit, 56 days in a row. And to really double down, sports leagues and politicians (thanks Christie) keep shooting down sports gambling. At least poker is legal in NJ..

Farmer Ted Oct 05 2015 08:29 PM Re: Draft Kings

Caught my friend lose all enthusiasm for life when he found himself on the wrong end of a fantasy golf bet. FANTASY FUCKING GOLF.

Edgy MD Oct 05 2015 08:33 PM Re: Draft Kings

Ceetar wrote: fantasy football/baseball are pretty big, yes. I didn't ask this. Ceetar wrote: and presumably with the younger crowd too. Which isn't what I really asked either.

d'Kong76 Oct 05 2015 08:39 PM Re: Draft Kings

I don't think any of the sports should be in bed with any of these fantasy things.... something's gonna happen and it's gonna be a big mess one of these days...

Ceetar Oct 05 2015 08:45 PM Re: Draft Kings

d'Kong76 wrote: I don't think any of the sports should be in bed with any of these fantasy things.... something's gonna happen and it's gonna be a big mess one of these days... like what? it's basically a slot machine. Even if Jimmy Rollins had the opposing pitcher in his lineup, it's not like him striking out against him 3 times is going to move the needle much, and certainly not with any certainty.

dgwphotography Oct 05 2015 08:52 PM Re: Draft Kings

I cringe every time I see/hear one of these Draft Kings or Fanduel commercials. I don't see how anyone has the time to play head to head fantasy sports Every. Single. Day. As FK said, most of the money goes to those players basically do it professionally. I miss the days of Rotisserie Baseball. Gathering with a group of friends around the table on the Sunday before the season started to draft your team, and then let the chips fall where they may. The lead up research during spring training not only got me going for the season, but it also made me more knowledgeable of each team's players. It was just more laid back, and enjoyable. Anyway, I found this fun article in the Times from 25 years ago, and it was a quandary I found myself in a couple of times: http://www.nytimes.com/1990/04/08/sport ... eball.html

Fman99 Oct 05 2015 08:59 PM Re: Draft Kings

dgwphotography wrote: I miss the days of Rotisserie Baseball. Gathering with a group of friends around the table on the Sunday before the season started to draft your team, and then let the chips fall where they may. The lead up research during spring training not only got me going for the season, but it also made me more knowledgeable of each team's players. It was just more laid back, and enjoyable. I run a league just like this, have been since 2000. Ceetar joined it this year. We draft via email for the first 10-12 rounds and then live draft (via shared spreadsheet) for the rest, since the participants are all over the nation (a few do come over to my place for pizza and drafting). It's great fun, curmudgeonly dismissals aside

dgwphotography Oct 05 2015 09:10 PM Re: Draft Kings

Fman99 wrote: dgwphotography wrote: I miss the days of Rotisserie Baseball. Gathering with a group of friends around the table on the Sunday before the season started to draft your team, and then let the chips fall where they may. The lead up research during spring training not only got me going for the season, but it also made me more knowledgeable of each team's players. It was just more laid back, and enjoyable. I run a league just like this, have been since 2000. Ceetar joined it this year. We draft via email for the first 10-12 rounds and then live draft (via shared spreadsheet) for the rest, since the participants are all over the nation (a few do come over to my place for pizza and drafting). It's great fun, curmudgeonly dismissals aside that's really cool.

Ceetar Oct 05 2015 09:13 PM Re: Draft Kings

I did..okay. really, daily fantasy only takes about as much as regular fantasy does. You have to log in and check your lineups and starters anyway, and in 'real' fantasy you make trades and changes which takes more time. Daily fantasy is just 'pick which 10 guys you think will have good days'

d'Kong76 Oct 05 2015 09:29 PM Re: Draft Kings

Ceetar wrote: like what? it's basically a slot machine. Even if Jimmy Rollins had the opposing pitcher in his lineup, it's not like him striking out against him 3 times is going to move the needle much, and certainly not with any certainty. Slot machines are gambling, so is the lottery. You ever get behind the guy that's playing 20 daily numbers and and buying ten scratchers at the Getty Mart? It's a sickness and enouraging young people on the MLB Channel to play Draft Kings is just plain nuts and hypocritical given their hard line stance on other gambling issues.

Ashie62 Oct 05 2015 09:33 PM Re: Draft Kings

d'Kong76 wrote: I don't think any of the sports should be in bed with any of these fantasy things.... something's gonna happen and it's gonna be a big mess one of these days... I agree. These one day fantasy things are a way to allow "gambling" without breaking gaming laws. IMHO its all about the money.

Ashie62 Oct 05 2015 09:35 PM Re: Draft Kings

Edgy MD wrote: Ceetar wrote: fantasy football/baseball are pretty big, yes. I didn't ask this. Ceetar wrote: and presumably with the younger crowd too. Which isn't what I really asked either. I don't see that you asked anything. You vented. What is your question?

Ceetar Oct 05 2015 09:36 PM Re: Draft Kings

d'Kong76 wrote: Ceetar wrote: like what? it's basically a slot machine. Even if Jimmy Rollins had the opposing pitcher in his lineup, it's not like him striking out against him 3 times is going to move the needle much, and certainly not with any certainty. Slot machines are gambling, so is the lottery. You ever get behind the guy that's playing 20 daily numbers and and buying ten scratchers at the Getty Mart? It's a sickness and enouraging young people on the MLB Channel to play Draft Kings is just plain nuts and hypocritical given their hard line stance on other gambling issues. yes, and they're legal. I think they should be taxed, regulated, and come with the same warnings those things do. When they email you your lineup it should include the number for the gambling addiction hotline. But they should be legal. As should poker, which is _actually_ a game of skill. And I don't have a problem with MLB having them as a sponsor, as I believe they're legitimate businesses and that's fine with me. I mean, Lincoln's a sponsor and so is Budweiser but drunk driving is a real problem too. Obesity is a problem and there's a huge Pepsi Porch in right field.

Ashie62 Oct 05 2015 09:40 PM Re: Draft Kings

Addiction knows no bounds and has few limits.

d'Kong76 Oct 05 2015 10:26 PM Re: Draft Kings

Ceetar wrote: I mean, Lincoln's a sponsor and so is Budweiser but drunk driving is a real problem too. Obesity is a problem and there's a huge Pepsi Porch in right field. Priceless.

Edgy MD Oct 05 2015 10:56 PM Re: Draft Kings

Ashie62 wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Ceetar wrote: fantasy football/baseball are pretty big, yes. I didn't ask this. Ceetar wrote: and presumably with the younger crowd too. Which isn't what I really asked either. I don't see that you asked anything. You vented. What is your question? I don't mean to be cheeky, but it's the sentence that ends in a question mark. Come on. Let's work together. Ceetar wrote: I mean, Lincoln's a sponsor and so is Budweiser but drunk driving is a real problem too. I mean, I implore you.

Lefty Specialist Oct 05 2015 11:05 PM Re: Draft Kings

Please. It's gambling, using MLB players instead of a deck of cards. Should it be legal? Yes. My discomfort is with the fact that the leagues, after being so strict with gambling, have completely gotten in bed with these sites. I don't want the Mets pre-game show posting their Draft Kings lineup. And I don't like that Robert Kraft, owner of the Patriots, and Jerry Jones, owner of the Cowboys, are major investors in Fan Duel. Something's just a little off about that. And the fact that it's Pushed. So. Hard. makes you wonder.

SteveJRogers Oct 05 2015 11:08 PM Re: Draft Kin Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 05 2015 11:34 PM

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d'Kong76 Oct 05 2015 11:17 PM Re: Draft Kings

Lefty Specialist wrote: And I don't like that Robert Kraft, owner of the Patriots, and Jerry Jones, owner of the Cowboys, are major investors in Fan Duel. Something's just a little off about that. I didn't know this, that's messed up.

soupcan Oct 05 2015 11:23 PM Re: Draft Kings Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 05 2015 11:31 PM

As if on cue, a friend just sent me this... Fantasy Sports Employees Bet at Rival Sites Using Inside Information

Edgy MD Oct 05 2015 11:30 PM Re: Draft Kings

In a revelation that's sure to shock seven people... .

soupcan Oct 05 2015 11:33 PM Re: Draft Kings

At least it answers Ceetar's question. Ceetar wrote: d'Kong76 wrote: I don't think any of the sports should be in bed with any of these fantasy things.... something's gonna happen and it's gonna be a big mess one of these days... like what? it's basically a slot machine. Even if Jimmy Rollins had the opposing pitcher in his lineup, it's not like him striking out against him 3 times is going to move the needle much, and certainly not with any certainty.

Frayed Knot Oct 06 2015 12:57 AM Re: Draft Kings

d'Kong76 wrote: Lefty Specialist wrote: And I don't like that Robert Kraft, owner of the Patriots, and Jerry Jones, owner of the Cowboys, are major investors in Fan Duel. Something's just a little off about that. I didn't know this, that's messed up. Hell, MLB is invested in one or the other.

Edgy MD Oct 06 2015 01:08 AM Re: Draft Kings

soupcan wrote: At least it answers Ceetar's question. Ceetar wrote: d'Kong76 wrote: I don't think any of the sports should be in bed with any of these fantasy things.... something's gonna happen and it's gonna be a big mess one of these days... like what? it's basically a slot machine. Even if Jimmy Rollins had the opposing pitcher in his lineup, it's not like him striking out against him 3 times is going to move the needle much, and certainly not with any certainty. That's really impressive. The question that spontaneously answers itself.

Frayed Knot Oct 06 2015 01:14 AM Re: Draft Kings

And just to clarify some stuff from before: - I don't gamble, on anything -- not even scratch-off tickets or office football pools -- but nor am I an anti-gambling crusader so how much of this stuff is legal or not is really of little concern to me. But it's the seemingly random selectivity and hypocritical nature of what gets declared legal and what remains banned, and, maybe more importantly, WHO gets to run gambling operations and who doesn't that needs to be fixed. In the case of these fantasy leagues, it's the fact that they're legal and unregulated while potentially competing forms of gambling are either illegal and/or highly regulated gives them a virtual license to print money (including insider dealings ... wow, whoda thunk that?!?) because of some odd definition finagling. It's like the worst form of crony capitalism -- your business isn't just favored, it's competition proof -- only with questionable legalities and unregulated rules thrown in. Those who remember OTB in NY should remember that it was one of the most corrupt -- and therefore politically popular -- arms of city and county governments ever invented. It was a virtual monopoly on legal gambling at the time and it acted as such. To be tabbed to run the local OTB chapter was considered the plum job in all of political patronage. And we haven't even gotten into Indian casinos yet.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 06 2015 01:47 AM Re: Draft Kings Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 06 2015 02:05 AM

Frayed Knot wrote: And just to clarify some stuff from before: - I don't gamble, on anything -- not even scratch-off tickets or office football pools -- but nor am I an anti-gambling crusader so how much of this stuff is legal or not is really of little concern to me. But it's the seemingly random selectivity and hypocritical nature of what gets declared legal and what remains banned, and, maybe more importantly, WHO gets to run gambling operations and who doesn't that needs to be fixed. In the case of these fantasy leagues, it's the fact that they're legal and unregulated while potentially competing forms of gambling are either illegal and/or highly regulated gives them a virtual license to print money (including insider dealings ... wow, whoda thunk that?!?) because of some odd definition finagling. It's like the worst form of crony capitalism -- your business isn't just favored, it's competition proof -- only with questionable legalities and unregulated rules thrown in. Those who remember OTB in NY should remember that it was one of the most corrupt -- and therefore politically popular -- arms of city and county governments ever invented. It was a virtual monopoly on legal gambling at the time and it acted as such. To be tabbed to run the local OTB chapter was considered the plum job in all of political patronage. And we haven't even gotten into Indian casinos yet. This is hardly news. I mean, cigarettes are legal ferchrissakes. Food manufacturers are allowed to put High Fructose Corn Syrup in the things we eat. The families of 9/11 victims got millions while others similarly situated get nothing. And so it goes. It's policy. It happens every day.

Ceetar Oct 06 2015 01:56 AM Re: Draft Kings

insider trading is a wholy different issue. Sure, people at FanDuel clearly can mine the numbers and see the deals and the popular picks to find value (Because you don't want to pick the best guys that everyone is picking, or you won't beat those people.) I'm not sure what people inside sports can really do that's going to hurt the integrity of said sport. It's so random, and so much dumb luck, that throwing a game isn't even really an option to win money. Sure, it's an addition and things happen, but it's not hard to call a friend in Vegas to make a bet for you or to do so in other less legal means. Any player that wants can log in to a variety of internet sites and bet on sports. So i'm not really sure what the problem is. Obviously it should be more regulated and taxed. Lotteries, casinos, poker, daily fantasy, etc. But they should all be legal, and the ones that are, well, are. This isn't any different than the NY lottery advertising a billion times on every game, we're just desensitized to that.

Frayed Knot Oct 06 2015 04:41 PM Re: Draft Kings

batmagadanleadoff wrote: This is hardly news. I mean, cigarettes are legal ferchrissakes. Food manufacturers are allowed to put High Fructose Corn Syrup in the things we eat. I have no idea what cigarettes and high-fructose corn syrup have to do with this discussion. As I said, I'm not particularly interested in whether gambling restrictions are tightened or loosened, I'm just against the selective legality of it all and the hypocrisy that comes with it. The analogies, if you want to bring smokes or calories into it, would be if cigarettes were banned for contributing to poor health but cigars remained legal under some vague notion notion that it's a more high-class habit even though no sane person could argue anything other than they're just different forms of smoking. This type of quasi-ban would not only kill the cigarette industry obviously (or, more accurately, drive it underground as is the case now with most non-fantasy sports gambling) but it would be a big boon to cigar makers who would then work to keep that arrangement as the status quo because of how much it works for their own benefit. Or if the makers/distributers of some foods were allowed to include high-fructose corn syrup while other were prohibited from doing so and instead were forced into more costly (and probably unsubsidized) substitutes to the detriment of their profits, market share, and ability to compete with the favored class. And again it would be a case of only sort of banning what is said to be bad for us while still allowing it for privileged segments of a supposedly free and open market. That the sports leagues and individual teams are in bed with the fantasy outfits is both unfortunate but also more or less inevitable because of this favored status bestowed on them convinces the leagues that they might as well join them and get what they see as side benefits to their existence (increased fan interest in more games - or at least stats within games) since they couldn't beat them even if they wanted to try.

d'Kong76 Oct 06 2015 05:37 PM Re: Draft Kings

Frayed Knot wrote: d'Kong76 wrote: I didn't know this, that's messed up. Hell, MLB is invested in one or the other. I didn't know that either, I assumed they just lopped up a lot of advertising revenue and un-measurable goodwill of sorts. I don't know, people who don't see that this is at least somewhat rotten on some level are just turning the other way. I don't care enough to sway anyone. Especially one's who disagree with most everything anyway and use analogies like 'hay fever is a major concern for some and what do they do they put grass on all the fields at the stadiums' so what's wrong with MLB Slots?

batmagadanleadoff Oct 06 2015 05:51 PM Re: Draft Kings

Frayed Knot wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: This is hardly news. I mean, cigarettes are legal ferchrissakes. Food manufacturers are allowed to put High Fructose Corn Syrup in the things we eat. I have no idea what cigarettes and high-fructose corn syrup have to do with this discussion. As I said, I'm not particularly interested in whether gambling restrictions are tightened or loosened, I'm just against the selective legality of it all and the hypocrisy that comes with it. I think my analogies work. I mean marijuana's illegal. And heroin. And cocaine. But cigarettes are legal? Isn't that enough "selective legality" for you? BTW, I agree with every single point you make on this issue. I guess what I'm saying is that I probably wouldn't get so worked up about it at this point in my life to write a coupl'a paragraphs on it. I'm not fazed at all by the policy decisions that give this form of entertainment the coat of legality.

Frayed Knot Oct 06 2015 06:52 PM Re: Draft Kings

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I think my analogies work. I mean marijuana's illegal. And heroin. And cocaine. But cigarettes are legal? Isn't that enough "selective legality" for you? No, because I don't view cigarettes and heroin as remotely analogous therefore I don't find different laws applying to them to be simply arbitrary. But there's no such Mo Vaughn sized gap between betting on sports (almost universally illegal in this country) vs betting on fantasy sports (legal). Nor are the distinctions from above as tortured as the logic that says fantasy sports betting needs to be allowed because it's a skill not a mere game of chance but yet lotteries which are pure chance are not only allowed by the gov't but run by it and games with at least as much skill as fantasy like poker and such remain mostly banned.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 06 2015 07:37 PM Re: Draft Kings

Frayed Knot wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: I think my analogies work. I mean marijuana's illegal. And heroin. And cocaine. But cigarettes are legal? Isn't that enough "selective legality" for you? No, because I don't view cigarettes and heroin as remotely analogous therefore I don't find different laws applying to them to be simply arbitrary. But there's no such Mo Vaughn sized gap between betting on sports (almost universally illegal in this country) vs betting on fantasy sports (legal). Nor are the distinctions from above as tortured as the logic that says fantasy sports betting needs to be allowed because it's a skill not a mere game of chance but yet lotteries which are pure chance are not only allowed by the gov't but run by it and games with at least as much skill as fantasy like poker and such remain mostly banned. "Remotely"? Really? Well, you're entitled to your views.

Frayed Knot Oct 06 2015 08:31 PM Re: Draft Kings

batmagadanleadoff wrote: "Remotely"? Really? Ummm, yeah.

Frayed Knot Oct 06 2015 11:14 PM Re: Draft Kings

MLB said they "were surprised" to find out that partner (MLB has minority ownership stake) 'Draft Kings' allowed their employees to win money in their leagues. Really?

Edgy MD Oct 07 2015 04:16 PM Re: Draft Kings

And as Pete Rose undermined the integrity of baseball and baseball games, this threatens to undermine the integrity of the upcoming Pete Rose decision.

d'Kong76 Oct 07 2015 04:20 PM Re: Draft Kings

Edgy MD wrote: And as Pete Rose undermined the integrity of baseball and baseball games, this threatens to undermine the integrity of the upcoming Pete Rose decision. Yup© d'Kong76 wrote: something's gonna happen and it's gonna be a big mess one of these days... It's happening NOW!!

d'Kong76 Oct 08 2015 05:08 PM Re: Draft Kings

Elster88 Oct 16 2015 05:46 AM Re: Draft Kings

Nevada Gaming Commission is shutting down daily fantasy in Nevada.

Nymr83 Oct 16 2015 05:56 AM Re: Draft Kings

Elster88 wrote: Nevada Gaming Commission is shutting down daily fantasy in Nevada. yeah because they see it as competition for their bullshit monopoly on sports gambling.

Elster88 Oct 16 2015 06:03 AM Re: Draft Kings

A senator/rep from NJ is trying to get a hearing about the relationship between the DFS companies and the sports leagues. The NFL is trying to block the hearing by taking to some committee in Washington. This is all from tickers under the sports shows, no idea how accurate it is.

Elster88 Oct 16 2015 06:04 AM Re: Draft Kings

Nymr83 wrote: Elster88 wrote: Nevada Gaming Commission is shutting down daily fantasy in Nevada. yeah because they see it as competition for their bullshit monopoly on sports gambling. They regulate and I'm sure shady politicians line their pockets, but that's not what a monopoly is, no? I'm sure they want more money though.

Frayed Knot Oct 16 2015 12:22 PM Re: Draft Kings

Well the point is that Vegas has had a (near) monopoly on legal sports wagering in this country for a long time so anything that reduces competition is good for them and therefore, even though there appear to be legit reasons for investigating these daily fantasy leagues, it's not surprising that Nevada is the one taking the lead on this. Gambling interests in this country -- starting with racetracks, then moving to gov't run lotteries, and then to the early casinos in LV or AC -- have long flourished by having their little fiefdoms protected from competition. Witness the number of bankruptcies in AC once "indian" casinos and boat/barge gambling started popping up elsewhere and giving folks other choices.

Valadius Oct 16 2015 12:26 PM Re: Draft Kings

Elster88 wrote: A senator/rep from NJ is trying to get a hearing about the relationship between the DFS companies and the sports leagues. The NFL is trying to block the hearing by taking to some committee in Washington. This is all from tickers under the sports shows, no idea how accurate it is. My boss (Senator Menendez) and Congressman Pallone held a press conference at Metlife Stadium on this. They're all over it. My boss wants the Federal Trade Commission involved. Pallone wants a hearing before the House Energy and Commerce Committee (he's the lead Democrat on the Committee). The NFL wants to prevent that hearing from taking place.

Edgy MD Oct 16 2015 01:29 PM Re: Draft Kings

And, of course, members of Congress from New Jersey are the other ones with moneyed constituents most threatened by a new type of legal, mostly unregulated, commercial, institutional gambling.

Ceetar Oct 16 2015 02:05 PM Re: Draft Kings

Edgy MD wrote: And, of course, members of Congress from New Jersey are the other ones with moneyed constituents most threatened by a new type of legal, mostly unregulated, commercial, institutional gambling. I WILL VOTE EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM OUT SCREW THEM ALL. I'm so shocked poker is legal online here. I don't know how that happened. I don't know why Atlantic City insists on stubbornly sticking to it's guns. It's like the guy who has a heart attack and continues to down double shackburgers for all meals. I don't know why I live in this state.

Valadius Oct 16 2015 02:24 PM Re: Draft Kings

My boss will be on Outside the Lines with Bob Ley at 1:30 PM today to talk about this.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 16 2015 02:28 PM Re: Draft Kings

And my boss will be sending me e-mails all day asking me to explain the mistakes he keeps making.

d'Kong76 Oct 16 2015 02:29 PM Re: Draft Kings

Valadius wrote: My boss will be on Outside the Lines with Bob Ley at 1:30 PM today to talk about this. He's out of jail already?

Elster88 Oct 31 2015 04:58 AM Re: Draft Kings

A football player is suing FanDuel [url]http://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/14011070/pierre-garcon-washington-redskins-leads-class-action-lawsuit-fanduel

d'Kong76 Nov 11 2015 01:17 PM Re: Draft Kings

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Nymr83 Nov 11 2015 02:07 PM Re: Draft Kings

Schneiderman can go fuck himself. this is nothing but a dirt bag politician trying to make a name for himself and get his ugly face all over the media.

Ceetar Nov 11 2015 02:15 PM Re: Draft Kings

Nymr83 wrote: Schneiderman can go fuck himself. this is nothing but a dirt bag politician trying to make a name for himself and get his ugly face all over the media. Once people started suddenly deciding it was 'too much' advertising for daily fantasy, you just knew the politicians would jump up at the chance to pander.

d'Kong76 Nov 11 2015 02:16 PM Re: Draft Kings

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d'Kong76 Nov 11 2015 04:53 PM Re: Draft Kings

Ceetar wrote: Once people started suddenly deciding it was 'too much' advertising for daily fantasy, you just knew the politicians would jump up at the chance to pander. Enforcing laws and stopping the flow of billions of illegal gambling money is not pandering. I love ya man, but jeez I'd like to wear the glasses you wear for a few days to see what makes you tick sometimes.

Ceetar Nov 11 2015 05:00 PM Re: Draft Kings

d'Kong76 wrote: Ceetar wrote: Once people started suddenly deciding it was 'too much' advertising for daily fantasy, you just knew the politicians would jump up at the chance to pander. Enforcing laws and stopping the flow of billions of illegal gambling money is not pandering. I love ya man, but jeez I'd like to wear the glasses you wear for a few days to see what makes you tick sometimes. Those laws are fucked up. And it's not like these politicians were motivated by a law they hadn't known about or a business they were unaware of. It became a hot-button issue and they realized they could profit/promote themselves by addressing it. What makes me tick is personal freedoms, gambling*, drinking, shopping in Sundays. To a lesser extent (because I don't actually do it), pot.

d'Kong76 Nov 11 2015 05:04 PM Re: Draft Kings

They may be fucked up, and the politicians certainly are, but the law is the law. Try telling a cop when you get pulled over doing 80 in a 55 that the law is fucked up and see how that works for ya.

Centerfield Nov 11 2015 05:06 PM Re: Draft Kings

d'Kong76 wrote: I love ya man, but jeez I'd like to wear the glasses you wear for a few days to see what makes you tick sometimes. Right? Sometimes I wonder to myself if the Admins are ghost-writing for him just to stir things up around here!

d'Kong76 Nov 11 2015 05:08 PM Re: Draft Kings

A couple of us (at least) have met him, he does indeed exist lol...

Ceetar Nov 11 2015 05:17 PM Re: Draft Kings

d'Kong76 wrote: A couple of us (at least) have met him, he does indeed exist lol... I think I'm up to ..8? Poolers met IRL? 9 if we count Diamond Dad? d'Kong76 wrote: They may be fucked up, and the politicians certainly are, but the law is the law. Try telling a cop when you get pulled over doing 80 in a 55 that the law is fucked up and see how that works for ya. The law is often subjective and defined by lawyers, which is why they've been able to exist for..6 years? (Fanduel says it was founded in 2009) My problem is with the reactionary nature of all this. How about some progressive thinking and some progress? How about figuring out how to filter daily fantasy through the already legal gambling setups in New York? (Or perhaps, there are people in the various gambling industries that lobby NY politicians that feel threatened by daily fantasy? hmm...) With all the gambling hotlines and taxes that come with it? How about being consistent with what constitutes gambling and which loopholes are allowed to exist? When they pull me over doing 80 in a 55 (usually 82 in a 65 actually) all they're really looking for is money/quotes anyway. It's not actually about the law. Which is why they often change it to things like 'windshield obstruction' or in New Jersey the rather generic "Unsafe driving" with a higher fine.

d'Kong76 Nov 11 2015 05:31 PM Re: Draft Kings

Ceetar wrote: I think I'm up to ..8? Poolers met IRL? 9 if we count Diamond Dad? Tailgating legends count double!

Ceetar Nov 11 2015 05:38 PM Re: Draft Kings

d'Kong76 wrote: Ceetar wrote: I think I'm up to ..8? Poolers met IRL? 9 if we count Diamond Dad? Tailgating legends count double! yeah, but El Segundo Escupidor gave me a beer!

cooby classic Nov 11 2015 05:43 PM Re: Draft Kings

Ceetar wrote: d'Kong76 wrote: A couple of us (at least) have met him, he does indeed exist lol... I think I'm up to ..8? Poolers met IRL? 9 if we count Diamond Dad? d'Kong76 wrote: They may be fucked up, and the politicians certainly are, but the law is the law. Try telling a cop when you get pulled over doing 80 in a 55 that the law is fucked up and see how that works for ya. The law is often subjective and defined by lawyers, which is why they've been able to exist for..6 years? (Fanduel says it was founded in 2009) My problem is with the reactionary nature of all this. How about some progressive thinking and some progress? How about figuring out how to filter daily fantasy through the already legal gambling setups in New York? (Or perhaps, there are people in the various gambling industries that lobby NY politicians that feel threatened by daily fantasy? hmm...) With all the gambling hotlines and taxes that come with it? How about being consistent with what constitutes gambling and which loopholes are allowed to exist? When they pull me over doing 80 in a 55 (usually 82 in a 65 actually) all they're really looking for is money/quotes anyway. It's not actually about the law. Which is why they often change it to things like 'windshield obstruction' or in New Jersey the rather generic "Unsafe driving" with a higher fine. Have I met you?

d'Kong76 Nov 11 2015 05:51 PM Re: Draft Kings

Ceetar wrote: yeah, but El Segundo Escupidor gave me a beer! Beer trumps chicken on a stick!

Diamond Dad Nov 11 2015 06:16 PM Re: Draft Kings

I count! But only one vote per person, please. For years we have had a system where individuals deposit money into accounts and then on a daily basis take some of that money and make bets, which win or lose depending on the outcome of events over which the player has no control, and where the individual's input into the system has no impact on the outcome. The player cannot (normally) fix the system nor influence the outcome, but the player's analytical skills and research skills in making good picks can often result in significant gains and where players with access to better information tend to do better than more casual players who lack the best information or who have less time to devote to the analysis. It's not only legal, but is played by millions of people every day individually and through agents. It's called the stock market. Despite the NY Attorney General's midnight injunction, it is hard to explain why daily fantasy sports is any different from day trading in the market. In both cases, bets are made and the player's savvy, skill, knowledge, intuition, etc. can result in winning or losing, but the player has no actual input into the process nor any influence over the results. You can't "fix" fantasy sports games because players can't shave points or take a dive in a way that would cause a player to win. Now, an NFL quarterback should not be playing daily fantasy for thousands of dollars in a situation where targeting a particular receiver might help his fantasy team to the detriment of his real team, but aside from that, playing daily fantasy (yes, it's gambling in a sense, as is day trading) is not the same as running an on-line casino where you are the house and you are taking money from your players in a game of chance. Of course, poker (both live and on-line) is even LESS like gambling, since the poker player is playing directly against the other players at the table, and the player's individual skills directly impact the outcome of the game. A poker player cannot get an edge on his opponents by doing better research of having inside information about injuries. A poker player may have information about hand histories from other players, but ultimately had to make individual decisions that directly impact whether he wins or loses. So, poker is much less like illegal gambling than either daily fantasy or day trading. Yet, poker is illegal in most places because the government treats it as falling under the prohibition of broad anti-"gambling" statutes. It makes no sense, and it's mostly politics and the economic interests of big corporations that determine these things. I'm sure as soon as Draft Kings and Fan Duel agree to state regulation and to kick-back tax revenue to New York, this will all be smoothed over. There is far too much money at stake. Opening Day at CitiField -- there will be sausages!

d'Kong76 Nov 11 2015 06:24 PM Re: Draft Kings

What really happened here is organized crime came down on the politicians because these sites are taking money out of their children's mouths and said look you straighten things out and make it the way it used to be or stories will be leaked about who is in bed with who and all kinds of other juicy corruption stories.

Ceetar Nov 11 2015 06:30 PM Re: Draft Kings

cooby wrote: Have I met you? Not yet, at least not that I'm aware of.

Edgy MD Nov 17 2015 12:18 AM Re: Draft Kings

Seems I can't visit a player's baseball-reference page now without peeping some graph representing his Draft Kings profile. Has the time past where it's weird to enjoy baseball without this?

Ceetar Nov 17 2015 12:53 AM Re: Draft Kings

Edgy MD wrote: Seems I can't visit a player's baseball-reference page now without peeping some graph representing his Draft Kings profile. Has the time past where it's weird to enjoy baseball without this? without Draft Kings? or without Fantasy in general? Because the second certainly augments some peoples enjoyment of sports, maybe even pushing a majority in football, but certainly not weird if you're not a gambler on the first.

Nymr83 Nov 17 2015 04:30 AM Re: Draft Kings

I think fantasy drives the NFL these days, which is better than offshore betting driving it, right?

Edgy MD Jan 20 2016 04:01 PM Re: Draft Kings

Daily Fantasy Sports outlawed in Texas. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/20/sport ... share&_r=0 Time to deal yourselves out, MLB.

Nymr83 Jan 20 2016 07:04 PM Re: Draft Kings

I am a little surprised I was able to play through the end of football season, I'm thinking that setting up all the projections and stuff for baseball at this point would be a huge waste of my time

Frayed Knot Feb 07 2016 04:06 AM Re: Draft Kings

But [these daily fantasy leagues] certainly [do] resemble gambling in that most of the winning is done by a small handful of essentially professional players who are at liberty to play and bankroll multiple 'games' per day with the idea that one or more will hit. Meanwhile the minnows dipping their toes into the water, or the ones who are conned by the commercials that make it seem like every entrant is a winner, are merely funneling their dough to the sharks which makes both the pros and the ones running the games very happy. From Phil Mushnick's column: PBS’ “NewsHour” last week reported findings that 91 percent of DraftKings and FanDuel MLB pools are won by just 1.3 percent of its players.

Nymr83 Feb 07 2016 06:50 PM Re: Draft Kings

But [these daily fantasy leagues] certainly [do] resemble gambling in that most of the winning is done by a small handful of essentially professional players who are at liberty to play and bankroll multiple 'games' per day with the idea that one or more will hit. Meanwhile the minnows dipping their toes into the water, or the ones who are conned by the commercials that make it seem like every entrant is a winner, are merely funneling their dough to the sharks which makes both the pros and the ones running the games very happy. From Phil Mushnick's column: PBS’ “NewsHour” last week reported findings that 91 percent of DraftKings and FanDuel MLB pools are won by just 1.3 percent of its players. which is proof that it is a game of skill, not chance.

Ceetar Feb 08 2016 02:53 PM Re: Draft Kings

But [these daily fantasy leagues] certainly [do] resemble gambling in that most of the winning is done by a small handful of essentially professional players who are at liberty to play and bankroll multiple 'games' per day with the idea that one or more will hit. Meanwhile the minnows dipping their toes into the water, or the ones who are conned by the commercials that make it seem like every entrant is a winner, are merely funneling their dough to the sharks which makes both the pros and the ones running the games very happy. From Phil Mushnick's column: PBS’ “NewsHour” last week reported findings that 91 percent of DraftKings and FanDuel MLB pools are won by just 1.3 percent of its players. which is proof that it is a game of skill, not chance. Just because there's some skill in manipulating the elements of chance doesn't make it a 'game of skill' You can put three coins down on a roulette wheel to triple your chances of winning and it doesn't make it skill. Of course, none of that should really matter. the laws themselves are the problem.

Edgy MD May 09 2016 06:53 PM Re: Draft Kings

The fuck... I haven't been to any games this season. Is this common now?

Ceetar May 09 2016 07:46 PM Re: Draft Kings

wasn't paying attention but on Opening Day. Mets weren't doing any DraftKings fun facts, but you see them around otherwise.

Lefty Specialist May 09 2016 07:49 PM Re: Draft Kings

I'm guessing the Mets are being paid a Shipload of money.

Ceetar May 09 2016 07:50 PM Re: Draft Kings

Lefty Specialist wrote: I'm guessing the Mets are being paid a Shipload of money. official MLB sponsor.