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Vote for Induction

The Cars (first timer)

15 votes

Cheap Trick (first timer)

8 votes

Chic

1 votes

Chicago (first timer)

15 votes

Deep Purple

7 votes

The J.B.'s (first timer)

3 votes

Janet Jackson (first timer)

1 votes

Chaka Khan (first timer)

2 votes

Los Lobos (first timer)

5 votes

Steve Miller (first timer)

13 votes

N.W.A.

1 votes

Nine Inch Nails

4 votes

The Smiths

9 votes

The Spinners

4 votes

Yes

16 votes

Edgy MD Oct 08 2015 10:30 AM

The ballot for this year's Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame is, dare I say it... deep? It includes a handful of absurd oversights from previous years and some returnees with strong cases as well. The depth is particularly strong in the C section. We're gonna make it hard and give you five votes from among the 15 nominees, with the option to change your votes going forward. Go to town.

RealityChuck Oct 08 2015 10:41 AM Re: Vote for Induction

This is the weakest ballot I've seen in years. None seem particularly strong candidates. Most are just groups who had a very short window of good work and many years of mediocrity (e.g., Chicago and Steve Miller). I picked Yes for historical purposes, and I suppose you could make a choice for NWA, but I think the best solution would be to skip this year altogether.

cooby classic Oct 08 2015 10:45 AM Re: Vote for Induction

What is NWA and JBs?

TransMonk Oct 08 2015 10:48 AM Re: Vote for Induction

I took The Cars, Cheap Trick and Yes for sure, and rounded out the five with The Smiths and Deep Purple as also-rans.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 08 2015 10:53 AM Re: Vote for Induction

I went with the Klassik Rawk 5-pack, Cars, Cheap Trick, Yes, Steve Miller and Chicago. Not realistic I know -- Miller stands almost no chance, Cheap Trick looks like the kinda band they'll keep on there to keep Dad-rockers like me interested while they elect frauds like Bon Jovi and the Cars I see getting in but maybe not first-ballot. My elevator arguments: Cars -- bridged old & new styles while a "war" erupted between them, hitmakers, video pioneers, short but enduring career Cheap Trick -- authentic, did it their own way, unexpected popular breakthrough, still hanging in there, musician's musicians Yes -- Made prog accessible, elevated the album cover, unexpected second act reached all-new audiences, great players Steve Miller -- Turned blues into pop, long career, distinguished, midnight toker Chicago -- Horniest of the big-horn bands, lots of hits, um, yeah.

Edgy MD Oct 08 2015 10:53 AM Re: Vote for Induction

cooby wrote: What is NWA and JBs? NWA = "Niggaz with Attitude" — a rap group out of Compton most known for launching Ice Cube's career. A biopic about them is currently in release. The first thing folks realized when Soundscan came online to track sales and build Billboard charts from was that a lot more people were buying NWA and Garth Brooks albums than Whitney Houston and Gloria Estefan albums, contrary to prior understanding. The market had grown segmented in ways the programmers had been only dimly aware of. The. J.B.'s = longtime backing band for James Brown. How they are distinct from the Famous Flames and the JB All-Stars — two other names his backing musicians have been billed as, I'm not entirely certain.

cooby classic Oct 08 2015 10:56 AM Re: Vote for Induction

Thanks!

Edgy MD Oct 08 2015 10:57 AM Re: Vote for Induction

RealityChuck wrote: This is the weakest ballot I've seen in years. None seem particularly strong candidates. Most are just groups who had a very short window of good work and many years of mediocrity (e.g., Chicago and Steve Miller). I would say this about virtually any musical career. Elvis Presley, Frank Sinatra, the Beach Boys... . If anything, the decades of mediocrity obscures just how impressive the excellence was. Chicago's first four alba were all double-disc-length and released in two and a half years. That's a swaggering commitment to attacking the marketplace head on, while maintaining simultaneous pursuit of radio-ready tracks and longer, experimental art-rock explorations. You don't want to throw that out just because "Hard to Say I'm Sorry" was just the worst thing ever — even though it was. They should be inducted just for the outro to "Beginnings." My God!

d'Kong76 Oct 08 2015 11:00 AM Re: Vote for Induction

I ask again... how can Deep Purple not already be in the RRHOF? It's just mindboggling! Ritchie Blackmore, Ian Gillan, Jon Lord! These are some of the most influential metal names in the history of rock 'n roll. *spits* I abstain, discourteously.

cooby classic Oct 08 2015 11:02 AM Re: Vote for Induction

I agree. And if I weren't holding a sleeping baby I'd spit too

Edgy MD Oct 08 2015 11:03 AM Re: Vote for Induction

d'Kong76 wrote: I ask again... how can Deep Purple not already be in the RRHOF? It's just mindboggling! Ritchie Blackmore, Ian Gillan, Jon Lord! These are some of the most influential metal names in the history of rock 'n roll. *spits* I abstain, discourteously. It's because you abstain, you fool! VOTE! Make your case!

cooby classic Oct 08 2015 11:05 AM Re: Vote for Induction

Ritchie Blackmore is now doing renaissance-y like music btw

d'Kong76 Oct 08 2015 11:13 AM Re: Vote for Induction

I've seen them three times, Blackmore's Night. His wife's voice is lovely.

cooby classic Oct 08 2015 11:16 AM Re: Vote for Induction

Yes it is :) we have several of their CDs

d'Kong76 Oct 08 2015 11:17 AM Re: Vote for Induction

Here's a cover of popular MTV song from years ago.... [youtube:369oqfog]k_34XMV4Mpc[/youtube:369oqfog]

cooby classic Oct 08 2015 11:20 AM Re: Vote for Induction

Madonna has nothing on him when it comes down to reinventing a career

cooby classic Oct 08 2015 11:27 AM Re: Vote for Induction

Edgy MD wrote: RealityChuck wrote: This is the weakest ballot I've seen in years. None seem particularly strong candidates. Most are just groups who had a very short window of good work and many years of mediocrity (e.g., Chicago and Steve Miller). I would say this about virtually any musical career. Elvis Presley, Frank Sinatra, the Beach Boys... . If anything, the decades of mediocrity obscures just how impressive the excellence was. Chicago's first four alba were all double-disc-length and released in two and a half years. That's a swaggering commitment to attacking the marketplace head on, while maintaining simultaneous pursuit of radio-ready tracks and longer, experimental art-rock explorations. You don't want to throw that out just because "Hard to Say I'm Sorry" was just the worst thing ever — even though it was. They should be inducted just for the outro to "Beginnings." My God! Just saw the end of your message edgy. Totally agree.... Early albums and mid 70s Chicago was good stuff. I have "Beginnings" pretty much wore out on my car CD. Their later stuff sucked ass

Edgy MD Oct 08 2015 11:33 AM Re: Vote for Induction

"HtSIS," by the way, wasn't Chicago, so much as Toto featuring Peter Cetera. If it damages Chicago's candidacy, it ought to do as much or more damage to any future Toto campaigns. [fimg=300]http://streamd.hitparade.ch/cdimages/chicago-hard_to_say_im_sorry_s_4.jpg[/fimg]

Gwreck Oct 08 2015 11:38 AM Re: Vote for Induction Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 08 2015 11:39 AM

YES Nine Inch Nails The Smiths Yes NO, but I could see the argument The Cars Cheap Trick Chic Deep Purple N.W.A. ARE YOU KIDDING? Chicago The J.B.'s (unless they were being inducted in the "Sideman" category) Janet Jackson Chaka Khan Los Lobos Steve Miller The Spinners

Edgy MD Oct 08 2015 11:39 AM Re: Vote for Induction

Notable in that it's Steve Miller being nominated, rather than the Steve Miller Band.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 08 2015 11:42 AM Re: Vote for Induction

I overlooked Lobos being nominated and probably oughta advance them over Steve Miller as disappointed as that makes the 7th grader in me.

Edgy MD Oct 08 2015 12:06 PM Re: Vote for Induction

I am NOT Gwreck's ideal voter. Gwreck wrote: YES Nine Inch Nails The Smiths Yes NO, but I could see the argument The Cars Cheap Trick Chic Deep Purple N.W.A. ARE YOU KIDDING? Chicago The J.B.'s (unless they were being inducted in the "Sideman" category) Janet Jackson Chaka Khan Los Lobos Steve Miller The Spinners

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 08 2015 12:09 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Not to come off as the crotchedy Dad-rocker I am, but Nine Inch Nails and the entire 90s alternative gloom movement can go fuck itself in the Tedious Music Hall of Fame.

El Segundo Escupidor Oct 08 2015 12:15 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Marty Noble refuses to vote for Chaka Khan because there were rumors they mimed. I vote for NWA and the Smiths.

Mets Willets Point Oct 08 2015 12:23 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Not at all enthused by this list. Voted for The Smiths and Nine Inch Nails for being great bands who were innovative and influential. Could see a case for N.W.A. but their misogony is so awful I can't click the check mark. I clicked the J.B.'s too, just 'cuz I like to keep things funky. Everything else either bores me or there isn't enough of a career to build a HOF case for.

sharpie Oct 08 2015 12:49 PM Re: Vote for Induction

J.B.'s, oh yes, but as sidemen. Yes, Smiths, Los Lobos and Steve Miller for his early stuff. Not a good list.

Zvon Oct 08 2015 04:05 PM Re: Vote for Induction

First glance I considered Yes and Chicago shoe ins. The Nine Inch Nails, The Smiths, and the Cars round out my list although only one of them are really worthy. I guess some of you guys were oversaturated with Chicago's syrupy sound days. Chicago 1 to 7, all classic albums. Early Chicago was a wonder to behold. 25 or 6 to 4 got the heavy rotation in its day. I didn't mind. [youtube]iUAYeN3Rp2E[/youtube] This in it's entirety was too long for AM. FM would play it, and still it was chopped up into separate songs at times. Make Me Smile was such a new sound when music was bursting with new sounds (late 60's to mid 70's) Colour My World, like the #1 slow song at school dances when I was so young I was nervous to dance with a girl, was really a small part of a larger suite that was heavily rotated on my turntable. I know it's long, but listen to the whole thing. This is Chicago at one of it's peaks. [youtube]eQkGQHnwVjE?list=RDeQkGQHnwVjE[/youtube] They could change sounds like a Jaguar shifting gears. They went from something like this: [youtube]IvmeEyVd5w8[/youtube] To something like this: [youtube]n26e_jej7Qo[/youtube] Chicago's music, out of the gate, was revolutionary.

cooby classic Oct 08 2015 04:21 PM Re: Vote for Induction Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 08 2015 04:25 PM

Ballad....heard it a million times. My brother had that album and we wore it out. Yes, the first several were awesome. At least through Chicago IV. Also loved "Dialog" from V (?) "Feeling Stronger Every Day" is my Mets '73 fight song :) (Chicago VI)

Edgy MD Oct 08 2015 08:42 PM Re: Vote for Induction

In first place with eight votes are prog rock mainstays YES, here covering Simon & Garfunkle and shamelessly throwing the kitchen sink in where Paul chose understatement. [youtube:27v0860a]Q0JkTIKm2iY[/youtube:27v0860a]

Fman99 Oct 08 2015 09:22 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Once again Electric Light Orchestra not even on the ballot. Fuck that place. I abstain on principle.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 08 2015 09:58 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Wow is that a lame ballot. And it's only gonna get uglier in the next coupl'a years. Hootie and the Blowfish? I can't not wait.

Edgy MD Oct 09 2015 07:22 AM Re: Vote for Induction

None of youse complaining are finding five acts with a radio-exploding legacy? Currently in second with six votes is the Smiths, who are really hard to find good live footage of. Either the video is weak or the audio. [youtube:2l6v5ife]wMykYSQaG_c[/youtube:2l6v5ife]

Mets Willets Point Oct 09 2015 10:43 AM Re: Vote for Induction

I added a tick for Janet Jackson. I always thought she was better than Michael, and he's already in there.

Edgy MD Oct 09 2015 10:57 AM Re: Vote for Induction

The hate for the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame seems analogous to the hate for Bud Selig. Everybody agrees on the hate, but for very different, often contradictory reasons.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 09 2015 12:01 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Mets – Willets Point wrote: I added a tick for Janet Jackson. I always thought she was better than Michael, and he's already in there. I'd like to see you argue that case.

Edgy MD Oct 10 2015 09:50 AM Re: Vote for Induction

When I kiss you, I feel a thousand different feelings. Chicago, 1970. Currently tied for second place. [youtube:1rn666uh]pizRRft3_8Y[/youtube:1rn666uh]

cooby classic Oct 10 2015 10:04 AM Re: Vote for Induction

Awesomeness Though they did cut the ending off, which IMO is the best part ;)

Mets Guy in Michigan Oct 10 2015 05:18 PM Re: Vote for Induction Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 10 2015 11:50 PM

Stunned some of you guys think this is a weak ballot. I think it's one of the stronger ones in years. And, the hall's nomination process is a mystery. How are some of these band, who have existed in the 1970s, just getting on the ballot? And why is Chic on the ballot every single year? I also went for the Classic Rawk Five-pack. The Cars: My second-ever concert, and somehow I was allowed to wander around Berner High with the Candy-O album cover on a t-shirt and never get an ounce of flack from a teacher. I think the band's peak was longer and stronger than some are giving them credit for, and the stuff still sounds fresh. Plus, the band shows that even the homeliest guy in any room can marry a super model. Plus-plus, the guitarist is from Massapequa. Yes: I was never a huge Yes fan. I was in the school of thought that favored guitars and frowned on keyboards, so bands like ELP and Styx were not metal enough. My buddy loves prog rock and says Yes is to prog what The Ramones are to punk. I do like some of the "Owner of a Lonely Heart" era stuff. I thought "Love will Find a Way" was cool because I thought the chorus was: "Here is my heart Waiting for you Here is my soul I eat at chez you." Chez you. Cool! Then only recently did I learn that the lyric is actually "chez nous." Oh. Chicago: I can't figure out why these guys have been kept out. Unique sound. Many, many hits. Many years of success. Songs are still played on radio a lot today. Sure, they got a little soft for a while, but Rod Stewart is in the hall and his "American Songbook" stuff is awful. Steve Miller: "Greatest Hits" is one of those albums that remain huge sellers. He's got a lot of big, iconic songs. I kind of thought he was inducted years ago. I think it's one of those guys who nobody lists as their favorite artist, but everyone kind of likes. Remained relevant for a long time. "Jet Airliner" is a great song. Cheap Trick: I like Cheap Trick. Maybe a short peak, but still successful for a really long time. Not sure what the drama with Bun. E. Carlos is really about. I can't justify why Green Day is a Hall of Fame band and Cheap Trick is not.

d'Kong76 Oct 10 2015 06:42 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: And, the hall's nomination process is a mystery. A travesty more than a mystery.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 10 2015 08:01 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Edgy MD wrote: When I kiss you, I feel a thousand different feelings. Chicago, 1970. Currently tied for second place. [youtube]pizRRft3_8Y[/youtube] Mighty trombone solo!

Edgy MD Oct 10 2015 10:02 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Great job stump speeching by MGiM, and the electorate is swinging Chicago-wise in response. Perhaps substitution mass confusion is clouding the inside of their heads, as often happens among listeners of the Cars, currently tied for third with six votes. [youtube:10iz8rbk]msAcTMKMSKA[/youtube:10iz8rbk]

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 11 2015 12:00 AM Re: Vote for Induction

Not the best sound ever but what a great song.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 12 2015 10:18 AM Re: Vote for Induction

Los Coches, The Wolves, Si, y... um... Chicago.

seawolf17 Oct 12 2015 10:27 AM Re: Vote for Induction

Ritchie Blackmore apparently lives near campus somewhere. Rock Star Central, Stony Brook is. Cars/Cheap Trick/Deep Purple/Nine Inch Nails/Yes for me. Because guitars.

d'Kong76 Oct 12 2015 11:14 AM Re: Vote for Induction

Janet Jackson is a rocker now? I need to catch up on things.

Edgy MD Oct 12 2015 01:14 PM Re: Vote for Induction

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Not the best sound ever but what a great song. Orrgasm nailing the vocal with a scratchier-than-usual voice totally redeems this clip for me — and for others apparently, as the Cars have rocketed into a second-place tie while the Smiths (owing perhaps to a lesser live track) have fallen back in the pack. Currently tied for fourth is Cheap Trick, who can, of course, only be represented by one live track, lousy stage lighting or no: [youtube]-qgpewMCVjs[/youtube]

d'Kong76 Oct 12 2015 01:39 PM Re: Vote for Induction

I folded like a cheap suit and voted... The Cars, Chicago, Deep Purple, Steve Miller and Yes get my 2015 votes. In all seriousness, I'm shocked that all five of these acts aren't already in the RRHOF... the place sucks, and I will never ever darken it's doorway.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 12 2015 02:31 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Edgy MD wrote: Not the best sound ever but what a great song. Orrgasm nailing the vocal with a scratchier-than-usual voice totally redeems this clip for me — and for others apparently, as the Cars have rocketed into a second-place tie while the Smiths (owing perhaps to a lesser live track) have fallen back in the pack. Currently tied for fourth is Cheap Trick, who can, of course, only be represented by one live track, lousy stage lighting or no: [youtube]-qgpewMCVjs[/youtube] I don't know about that. The band says that "Hello There" was written as a means to warm up and tune up when constant gigging and a tight schedule wouldn't allow for soundchecks, that's why its got a drum and guitar solo and is only like 90 seconds long. [youtube]8UB9JwBemUA[/youtube]

Edgy MD Oct 12 2015 02:36 PM Re: Vote for Induction

I've been effectively rocked!

Edgy MD Oct 12 2015 02:36 PM Re: Vote for Induction

d'Kong76 wrote: I folded like a cheap suit and voted... The Cars, Chicago, Deep Purple, Steve Miller and Yes get my 2015 votes. In all seriousness, I'm shocked that all five of these acts aren't already in the RRHOF... the place sucks, and I will never ever darken it's doorway. Well, you're right, but you just made it five notches better.

d'Kong76 Oct 12 2015 03:59 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Is that chain-smoking drummer from Cheap Trick still alive? He always struck me as someone who had one foot on a banana peel on the fifteenth floor ledge.

Gwreck Oct 12 2015 05:07 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Yes. He got kicked out of the band. Litigation was resolved in that he gets a financial stake in their ongoing business but no longer plays with them.

d'Kong76 Oct 12 2015 05:15 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Kinda thought there was a story... but was being lazy.

Ashie62 Oct 12 2015 06:11 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Gwreck wrote: Yes. He got kicked out of the band. Litigation was resolved in that he gets a financial stake in their ongoing business but no longer plays with them. It was a dispute over the "touring" and "recording" payout riders in Bunnies contract with Corporate Cheap Trick. Robin Zander and Neilsen own the name. The bass guy was bought out. Bun-e got 650K and is out. Bunnie played all of the drums on John Lennons' Double Fantasy.

Mets Guy in Michigan Oct 12 2015 08:30 PM Re: Vote for Induction

I think the current drummer is either Neilsen's son or Zander's son.

Frayed Knot Oct 12 2015 08:57 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Is that Curtis, Zander's son?

Edgy MD Oct 13 2015 07:13 AM Re: Vote for Induction

Driving through the back of your skull is Deep Purple, currently in sixth place with four votes. Happy metal morning. [youtube:2mvzc553]chOVefzQ8BI[/youtube:2mvzc553]

seawolf17 Oct 13 2015 09:27 AM Re: Vote for Induction

Ashie62 wrote: Gwreck wrote: Yes. He got kicked out of the band. Litigation was resolved in that he gets a financial stake in their ongoing business but no longer plays with them. It was a dispute over the "touring" and "recording" payout riders in Bunnies contract with Corporate Cheap Trick. Robin Zander and Neilsen own the name. The bass guy was bought out. Bun-e got 650K and is out. Bunnie played all of the drums on John Lennons' Double Fantasy. Bun E also played drums on the fantastic "Tinted Windows" record from a few years ago.

Ashie62 Oct 13 2015 01:34 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Off Topic, but in the drums department Denis Diken of the Smithereens is on tour with the Kinks Dave Davies. Saw Bun-E kick azz one time at a Cars/Cheap Trick doubleheader about 1978 or so.

Edgy MD Oct 13 2015 02:28 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Here's Bun and Rick backing John Lennon on "I'm Losing You." [youtube:3pvgr5yf]BZae6fbxItI[/youtube:3pvgr5yf] That version actually was recorded first but was ultimately discarded. It would have been the best thing on the album had it survived. Heavy Lennon is good Lennon!

Edgy MD Oct 14 2015 08:31 AM Re: Vote for Induction

Edging ahead into sixth place and one vote out of the money is Steve Miller, fronting the band that shares his name on vocals, guitar, harp... and cheeseburger! [youtube:11f9sb9v]Rgu5zMWolGE[/youtube:11f9sb9v]

sharpie Oct 14 2015 12:50 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Not a lotta love for the African American artists on the ballot.

Mets Willets Point Oct 14 2015 01:22 PM Re: Vote for Induction

sharpie wrote: Not a lotta love for the African American artists on the ballot. Rock & Roll, at least as defined by the hall of fame, is a genre exclusively performed by white dudes.

Edgy MD Oct 14 2015 01:35 PM Re: Vote for Induction

I'd say the Hall is a lot more appreciative of and interested in elevating black artists than the typical fan vote would support.

cooby classic Oct 14 2015 01:40 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Just used my fifth and final vote for Los Lobos after hearing La Bamba at the grocery store and thinking "yep, that'll do"

Edgy MD Oct 16 2015 08:52 AM Re: Vote for Induction

Too many great songs and sounds to pick from with Los Lobos. Here they are doing some awesome zydeco/rockabilly crossover: [youtube:3egirorw]W8i9tpyX0Wo[/youtube:3egirorw]

Batty31 Oct 21 2015 11:33 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Cars, Cheap Trick, Deep Purple, Steve Miller and of course The Smiths (or my Goth card will be revoked) I'm also a Blackmore's Night fan.

cooby classic Oct 22 2015 05:13 AM Re: Vote for Induction

Hi Batty!

Edgy MD Oct 22 2015 07:12 AM Re: Vote for Induction

In ninth place, with four votes, always willing to be there, are The Spinners. [youtube:mxq54p28]1F5RNdmVTdg[/youtube:mxq54p28]

Mets Willets Point Oct 22 2015 09:18 AM Re: Vote for Induction

A Batty sighting!!!! Yay Batty!!!

Batty31 Oct 22 2015 01:29 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Cooby! Willets! Hello! I really wanted to vote for NIN, but the timing isn't right just yet. The Peter Cetera era Chicago is what prevented me from voting for them. I was a DJ at an "AC" format station many years ago and had to play the Cetera fronted stuff...blech.

Edgy MD Oct 22 2015 01:46 PM Re: Vote for Induction

I voted for the Smiths last year, but I couldn't pull the trigger this year. "HSIN?" is simply one of the greatest songs ever pressed to wax and would get any band 50% of the way to my vote on its own, but one thing I've noticed while searching for traxxx is that I can't find a whole lot of quality Smiths video footage. That certainly doesn't mean the band wasn't ever good live, but it would help their case to see it. Most of their other singles (and they were VERY productive in their short-ish run) were flawed in one way or another, though clever and often beautiful in their own way, and even in their flaws. Perhaps they suffer when compared to "HSIN?" Most every song ever does. Anyhow, I just found the ballot more competitive this year, with the addition of longtime oversights like the Cars and Chicago and Cheap Trick. I certainly think the Smiths are a R&RHoF band, and it's important (at least, relatively so) to see bands who did better in Europe and Australia get their day in this US-centered institution.

Edgy MD Oct 28 2015 12:05 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Tied for ninth place with four votes are Nine Inch Nails, who really should have a hyphen in their name. They're recent enough that finding quality live tracks from then isn't hard. They're rolling them out in hi-def. [youtube:178wqspk]iAk5hz6eSIQ[/youtube:178wqspk]

Batty31 Oct 28 2015 09:56 PM Re: Vote for Induction

I've seen NIN in concert twice...they put on an amazing show.

Edgy MD Oct 28 2015 10:13 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Yeah. I'm not sure how much of their sound is programmed and how much is performed, but they certainly have the showmanship down. Of course, nobody put on a show like James Brown. Here's 10th place act the J.B.'s backing James Brown and Bobby Byrd, sweating up a storm in Italy. The second drummer seems to be interning, because he mostly quits after the first two measures, but the band simmers and then smokes when the horns come in. [youtube:3p94upzl]SmrZRcfYWvA[/youtube:3p94upzl] Yes, that it is a young Bootsy Collins on bass.

Frayed Knot Oct 28 2015 10:34 PM Re: Vote for Induction

I'm totally clueless as a judge to the quality, influence, width, depth, length, or breadth of 'Nine Inch Nails' That's just one of those ships left the dock with me nowhere in sight.

Edgy MD Oct 28 2015 10:46 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Well, the length is easy. Nine inches, duh. Steve Miller has really climbed since the early polling.

cooby classic Oct 29 2015 05:17 AM Re: Vote for Induction

Frayed Knot wrote: I'm totally clueless as a judge to the quality, influence, width, depth, length, or breadth of 'Nine Inch Nails' That's just one of those ships left the dock with me nowhere in sight. Amen brother

Edgy MD Oct 29 2015 07:28 AM Re: Vote for Induction

In 12th place with two votes (including my own) is the inimitable Chaka Khan. I wanted to post her tearing through "We Can Work It Out," but the best version I found of that was too grainy. But tell her something good. Tell her that you voted for her. [youtube:3gxvpigr]cm_cFzVAoo8[/youtube:3gxvpigr]

Edgy MD Oct 30 2015 07:34 AM Re: Vote for Induction

No love for Chaka?! Chaka mad! Chaka REAL mad! Coming in tied for 13th, with a single, loving vote is Nile Rodgers and Chic. This will be our second live clip from Budokan. I'd've liked to have used an early clip from their heyday with late drummer Tony Thompson, but all the ol' clips are miming and lip-synching. [youtube:1guix15y]M1APFyc_QtQ[/youtube:1guix15y]

Edgy MD Oct 30 2015 11:27 PM Re: Vote for Induction

No Chiccers, huh? Well, here's fellow 13th-placer Janet Jackson celebrating the Mets' Game Three victory by rocking Radio City in tribute to Curtis Granderson. I'm not sure, but I totally think that's David Wright with the guitar solo. [youtube:1ggfuvh3]GssrjZi5EMM[/youtube:1ggfuvh3]

Edgy MD Nov 01 2015 01:02 PM Re: Vote for Induction

And our last act tied for 13th place with one vote, Ice Cube, Dr. Dre, Eazy-E, MC Ren, Arabian Prince, and DJ Yella, aka NWA, coming straight outta Compton, with two T's in "outta," because that's the way they do it in the hood. [youtube:g9i7fukx]gBK84BtG_90[/youtube:g9i7fukx]

d'Kong76 Nov 01 2015 01:45 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Edgy MD Nov 03 2015 09:56 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Enough bottom feeding, you say? Yes, enough! Back to our leader. Alone with 16 votes is YES, seen here in all their early glory, with the late Chris Squire choking up so high that he might as well be playing guitar lines at the top. Then he brings the THUNDA! And of course, the Mad Professor taking the stage in his sequined cape. [youtube:3p8k95e1]Vd4jeeu90Rk[/youtube:3p8k95e1]

Edgy MD Nov 06 2015 10:11 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Chicago, great band from the very beginning, as attested to here in 1968, covering the Spencer Davis Group, passing the vocal around, breaking it down by having the horn section provide additional percussion — ut fully audible percussion that actually contributes to the performance. It's not like Stevie Nicks on tambourine or anything. And leavened the horns out just underscores how cool Robert Lamm's Hammond sound is, wailing even more freely than Steve Winwood's on the original. And Terry Kath's SG makes all sorts of funky roaring sounds. And it's cool that they're doing it in the round, like they're performing it for each other. [youtube:7lmn0x86]UVLUFl6WO6E[/youtube:7lmn0x86] Reached #49 on the US charts even though it was only released as a B-Side.

d'Kong76 Dec 16 2015 11:05 AM Re: Vote for Induction

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/deep-p ... -punch-up/ [youtube:3aflckbu]jHnKrwI_C0s[/youtube:3aflckbu]

Vic Sage Dec 16 2015 11:35 AM Re: Vote for Induction

He lost me when he started attacking The Monkees. I'm going to change my vote now to the Smiths, giving them a 1-vote lead over DP in our poll.

d'Kong76 Dec 16 2015 12:09 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Guess he wasn't too busy (drumming) to put anybody down?

cooby classic Dec 16 2015 01:13 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Vic Sage wrote: He lost me when he started attacking The Monkees. I'm going to change my vote now to the Smiths, giving them a 1-vote lead over DP in our poll. They sound like Uriah Heep in this song. If he put down the Monkees, I'm changing my vote too.

Edgy MD Dec 16 2015 01:19 PM Re: Vote for Induction

His swipe at the Monkees was kind of weird and abstract. He was attacking the RnRHoF and then tried to compare them by analogy to the folks who conceived of the Monkees. I think it's run by fools too, but that's not the comparison I would use.

d'Kong76 Dec 16 2015 01:35 PM Re: Vote for Induction

I'm a Monkees' fan, eccentric old dude shoulda used The Partridge Family instead to try and make his point. I'd pay to see Ian Gillan and Ritchie Blackmore in a punch up on the RnRHoF stage.

cooby classic Dec 16 2015 01:37 PM Re: Vote for Induction

I think Ritchie would win. And throw in his wife to stand nearby and nobody'd watch them

d'Kong76 Dec 16 2015 01:44 PM Re: Vote for Induction

She's certainly more appealing to look at instead of those two old guys in a punch up. I like saying punch up, makes me feel English.

cooby classic Dec 16 2015 01:52 PM Re: Vote for Induction

I like saying "wanker". I've even gotten my husband saying it. I miss metirish, btw

Edgy MD Dec 17 2015 07:29 AM Re: Vote for Induction

Winners! Actual rock 'n' rollers Cheap Trick, Chicago, Steve Miller, and Deep Fuckin' Purple! Plus NWA, who I'm sure got in with when the vote went to the Cars, but was over-ruled by Jann Wenner.

Vic Sage Dec 17 2015 10:01 AM Re: Vote for Induction

NWA over YES? NO! And no CARS? I'M FLOORED!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 17 2015 10:26 AM Re: Vote for Induction

I'm absolutely shocked Steve Miller got in, not that you can't make a case for him: Respected chops from a child prodigy to veteran bluesman; credibility as a psych-rocker and figure in that scene; second-act career as a FM hitmaker; bazillion-selling Greatest Hits package. But I mean, still. Cars I guess aren't taken seriously enough. I'm ready to begin campaigning however for Joe Jackson Class of 2017: Diversity of styles; impeccable arranger; master executor; won mainstream fans and critics with a single album classic that still holds up after 35 years; should be recognized for pursuing alternatives to established routine -- for example, recording albums "live" to avoid artificial sounds typical of recording made in the 80s era, abandoning his angry young man pop-punk style despite hitting it right off the bat. Possible points off for pomposity, weird look, disdain for establishment, seeming preference for weird German cabaret songs over real American rock and/or roll.

TransMonk Dec 17 2015 10:41 AM Re: Vote for Induction

I'm ready to begin campaigning however for Joe Jackson Class of 2017: Diversity of styles; impeccable arranger; master executor; won mainstream fans and critics with a single album classic that still holds up after 35 years; should be recognized for pursuing alternatives to established routine -- for example, recording albums "live" to avoid artificial sounds typical of recording made in the 80s era, abandoning his angry young man pop-punk style despite hitting it right off the bat. I'd join that campaign. Look Sharp! is still one of my all-time faves. They got four out of five right this time, which is no small achievement.

Edgy MD Dec 17 2015 10:59 AM Re: Vote for Induction

JJ is certainly in my top 20 of artists on the outside. He gives you 75% of what Costello gives you (and Elvis was a no-brainer), and a not a small bit that Elvis doesn't, but wasn't as clever in marketing his latter-day experimental aloofness as superiority. Costello has given a lot more output in the last 20 years, but a lot of it stuff that people buy and never play.

d'Kong76 Dec 17 2015 11:02 AM Re: Vote for Induction

Like the Cars, Steve Miller Band had a song on the radio for what felt like a decade each. They're both quite hall-worthy imo. I'll climb on any Joe Jackson bandwagon I see riding by.

Mets Willets Point Dec 17 2015 11:51 AM Re: Vote for Induction

5 bands I don't ever listen to.

Edgy MD Dec 17 2015 12:28 PM Re: Vote for Induction

I never stop listening to Chicago. They're regulars on every Sirius/XM station I stop at. I heard they were inducted this morning, and it made me smile.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 17 2015 01:11 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Some good Chicago chatter when we all got stranded there: [url]http://archives.cranepoolforum.net/16800/f2_t16872.shtml

Edgy MD Dec 17 2015 01:31 PM Re: Vote for Induction

I forgot the controversy of leaving "Make Me Smile" out of that poll. Their goodness went so deep, you could have made just as good a poll with songs left out of that one. Here's "MMS," with that inestimable human muppet Terry Kath on lead vocals and guitar, going from a funky rhythm groove to an absolutely searing lead. Soft-rock band indeed. [youtube:bzug52f8]Btq4MnwvQgM[/youtube:bzug52f8]

batmagadanleadoff Dec 17 2015 04:49 PM Re: Vote for Induction

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I'm absolutely shocked Steve Miller got in, not that you can't make a case for him. I'm not shocked because I think the standards for induction into the R&R HOF are vague and nebulous. There's a sort of anything goes approach to this thing, as far as I'm concerned. Miller's got the longevity, staying power, big hits and record sales worthy of what I think is a R&R HOF'er. But I'm not so sure that Miller ever did anything musically original, or that was never done before, many times over. FWIW, I bought his stuff on vinyl, and then on CD.

cooby classic Dec 17 2015 05:33 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Some good Chicago chatter when we all got stranded there: [url]http://archives.cranepoolforum.net/16800/f2_t16872.shtml surprised I did not chime in

Edgy MD Dec 17 2015 08:04 PM Re: Vote for Induction

You know, if I can find footage of you on The Midnight Special, you're 90% of the way to the RnRHoF from where I sit. There's an exception or two: Captain & Tennille, Natalie Cole and such. But even Neil Sedaka gets serious HoF points from that show. If you were on, you were in the pantheon. Anyhow, congratulations to Steve, along with a reminder that his induction doesn't release him from his obligation to keep rock'n me. [youtube]eMiHcFfYgLI[/youtube]

Edgy MD Dec 18 2015 08:22 AM Re: Vote for Induction

One thing these proud sons Rockford, Illinois have in common with the Who is a stage sound highly reliant on an invisible keyboardist. Congratulations, Cheap Trick. [youtube:2zbz9nol]th370QmFtk8[/youtube:2zbz9nol]

Fman99 Dec 18 2015 08:33 AM Re: Vote for Induction

Some good Chicago chatter when we all got stranded there: [url]http://archives.cranepoolforum.net/16800/f2_t16872.shtml surprised I did not chime in Keepin it real! Sep 17 2011 07:36 PM Re: Stranded in Chicago! seawolf17 wrote: I liked "Look Away." Since I can't reach Long Island from my recliner why don't you go ahead and punch yourself in the neck please.

Edgy MD Dec 18 2015 09:03 AM Re: Vote for Induction

Apparently, before being co-members of the 2016 Rock 'n' Roll HoF class of inductees, the awful "Look Away" was something Chicago and Cheap Trick had in common. "Tom Petersson rejoined in 1988, and then the vice president at Epic Records told us he had these two songs and they're both gonna be #1. He goes, 'We got one for you and one for the group Chicago, but you can have first choice.' He said, 'I think the one 'The Flame' would be good for you guys.' The other one was 'Look Away,' and it sounded like some girl singing on the demo. We really didn't like that song anyway, so 'Sure, we'll do 'The Flame.' We're game.'" — Bun E. F. Carlos So there you go. Two ugly little songs that were gonna be #1 no matter what, because the payola was already taken care of before they were recorded or even matched with a band.

Mets Willets Point Dec 18 2015 09:55 AM Re: Vote for Induction Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 18 2015 11:46 AM

Fun fact. In the 60's and 70's Chicago albums outpaced Super Bowls. 1980 provided both Chicago XIV and Super Bowl XIV. Since that time there have been more Super Bowls than Chicago albums.

cooby classic Dec 18 2015 11:43 AM Re: Vote for Induction

Doobie Brothers lived through a change in lead singers, and they were "okay". I didn't like Michael McDonald nearly as much, but I lived with it. Chicago should have just stopped recording when Terry Kath died

Edgy MD Dec 18 2015 02:59 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Congratulations to Deep Purple. And I say it's not really Deep Purple unless it's Deep Purple on German television. [youtube:bzfuzond]6Ng2TDSVoxQ[/youtube:bzfuzond]

d'Kong76 Dec 18 2015 03:17 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Nice find, never saw that rendition before. Groovy!

Edgy MD Dec 20 2015 05:48 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Brand new Trick single. [youtube]4IzfrXKBTjo[/youtube] Free download at their website, if you give them your e-mail.

Edgy MD Dec 22 2015 10:17 PM Re: Vote for Induction

I just watched the "You're the Inspiration" video. You know... for research. I'd become so fixated on Peter Cetera's bauhaus tee-shirt that I didn't notice: (1) the deployment of the band (Cetera on vocals and bass, a drummer, two guys sitting around, and four [!!] keyboard players); (2) Cetera is playing a left-handed bass guitar right-handed, like he's some sort of bizarro Jimmy Hendrix or something; and (3) a PiL tee-shirt also makes a cameo. Somebody connected to this thing was a closet punk. [youtube:383osdse]CRfy1yorkec[/youtube:383osdse]

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 24 2015 08:39 AM Re: Vote for Induction

That video is crazy. I do miss that kinda 80s girl with the big hair. But Kurt Loder busts in with the scoop: NEW YORK, Dec. 23 (UPI) -- Peter Cetera is reportedly not rejoining Chicago for its April Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction. The group's keyboardist Robert Lamm previously reported Cetera, a successful solo artist and former bandmate, would sing with the band at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn on April 8. But after an alleged e-mail conversation with Cetera, Lamm retracted his Radio.com announcement, saying exchanges were "misinterpreted by me." "I've mistakenly said Cetera would be playing," Lamm wrote to Billboard in an an e-mail. "He has emphatically declined...I've apologized to him, and likewise apologize to the music press community and fans." Despite the mix-up, Cetera announced on his website Wednesday he will release a big announcement after New Year's Day. In a brief statement, the singer said it has to do with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. "Tell all your friends, tell the press, tell radio, TV, newspapers, why you can even tell the Pres, Hillary, Trump, everyone," Cetera said. "I will make an important announcement on this site after the New Year that will shock the WOOORRLLDD...regarding my participation in The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame." "Until then, have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year and Ill speak to you shortly after New Year's day with my earthshaking announcement," he added. Cetera used to be the lead singer of Chicago, lending his vocals to the songs "25 or 6 to 4," "Feelin Stronger Every Day," and "Just You 'n' Me." He left the band in 1985 to pursue a solo career.

Edgy MD Dec 24 2015 09:24 AM Re: Vote for Induction

That is one amazing announcement to make an announcement. What in the world could Peter Cetera do at this point that's dramatic? More dramatic than rejoining Chicago? Is he joining the Jackson 5? Will he be pulling a Jenner and performing as a woman? Shock the WOOORRLLDD? How do you even pronounce the double terminal D at the end of that word? Is he an alien? That would explain a lot. And what the devil is an "alleged e-mail conversation"?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 25 2015 08:04 PM Re: Vote for Induction

"I am the man who will fight for your honor. I'll be the hero you'll be dreaming of. We're outsiders... the time-change you can depend on-- CETERA/BUN E. CARLOS 2016."

Edgy MD Dec 31 2015 08:28 AM Re: Vote for Induction

Peter Cetera Trivia: His easily recognizable singing style supposedly developed as a result of getting into a brawl at a Los Angeles Dodgers game in 1969, and then having to go on the road and sing with his jaw wired shut. Cetera's version involves four marines—who took exception to a long-haired rock 'n' roller rooting for the Cubs. But I'm calling bull on that part, at least. I mean, why is it always four marines?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 31 2015 07:53 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Lots of people probably would like to punch Peter Cetera in the face. I looked this up and apparently the game checks out: May 20, 1969, a 7-0 Cubs win.

Edgy MD Jan 24 2016 03:56 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Edgy MD Apr 12 2016 11:03 AM Re: Vote for Induction

"This whole industry fucking sucks and this little get-together you guys have here is kind of like a private boys club and it’s kind of a bunch of jackasses and jerks and fucking gangsters and crooks who've fucking stolen everything from a fucking artist, telling the artist to come out here and tap dance." You induct Deep Purple and Cheap Trick and Chicago and NW freaking A, but it's Steve Miller who goes out and has a press conference immediately after the ceremony and tears the place apart. God bless you, Steve Miller.

G-Fafif Apr 13 2016 08:41 AM Re: Vote for Induction

Plus he predicted in his postgame concert of June 28 last year that the Mets were going to the World Series. Steve Miller clearly rules.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 13 2016 09:26 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Rules so much, his biggest fans are, like, "Yeah, we regret even being part of that whole induction thing."

Edgy MD Apr 14 2016 02:10 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Here he is in the pre-insanity years, playing it the way Les Paul taught him. [youtube:3t2h4g0p]cwoiy-Fwm0E[/youtube:3t2h4g0p] It's funny that the beginning of "The Joker" references his identities from three previous songs, including this one, but this one itself references the previous "Living in the USA." Circles within circles with this guy.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 14 2016 02:39 PM Re: Vote for Induction

Hey Steve: They're recording this! What a shit vocal effort! Forgets his own second verse. Here's young Steve in an incredibly boring documentary by German filmmakers. Makes a Trumpian "this country is a disaster" speech around 12:30 [youtube:f7hg6tng]LFrIRTGJ81Y[/youtube:f7hg6tng]

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 18 2016 08:41 AM Re: Vote for Induction

Cheap Trick probably belongs in the RnRHoF because no band in history has more post-heyday albums about which they say, "This is their best in years!" New Cheap Trick! It's the Cheapest Trick yet! [youtube]ePno9R2S1uA[/youtube]

Edgy MD Apr 18 2016 08:59 AM Re: Vote for Induction

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Cheap Trick probably belongs in the RnRHoF because no band in history has more post-heyday albums about which they say, "This is their best in years!" KISS? No, I take that back. Nobody actually says that about nu KISS albums except Paul and Gene.

Vic Sage Apr 18 2016 09:02 AM Re: Vote for Induction

how wrong is it that I'm a little bit excited that Styx is playing after a Mets game this season? come sail away, come sail away, come sail away with me.....