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Shootings 2015

Centerfield Oct 09 2015 03:13 PM

They happen with such frequency now, don't they warrant their own thread? Another school shooting. This time in Arizona. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morn ... niversity/

metsmarathon Oct 09 2015 09:21 PM Re: Shootings 2015

clearly the solution to this problem is more fucking guns everywhere.

Fman99 Oct 09 2015 09:31 PM Re: Shootings 2015

I'd add "media coverage focused on the perpetrators" mixed with a healthy dose of "empathy for the plight of the mentally unbalanced."

metsmarathon Oct 10 2015 01:19 PM Re: Shootings 2015

i was actually looking for the thread we used to have after the oregon shooting, but couldn't find it. i needed to (and still do) rage against some of the nonsense i've seen on my fb feed.

cooby Oct 10 2015 04:14 PM Re: Shootings 2015

Overused quotes: "He was such a nice quiet boy" "That doesn't happen here"

Centerfield Dec 02 2015 01:28 PM Re: Shootings 2015

Another one. This time at a center for people with disabilities. Absolutely sickening. http://ktla.com/2015/12/02/authorities- ... fire-dept/

d'Kong76 Dec 02 2015 02:02 PM Re: Shootings 2015

Whole country is going nuts, it's like every 2-3 days something breaks out in Anytown, USA.

Lefty Specialist Dec 02 2015 05:16 PM Re: Shootings 2015

From Mike Huckabee's perspective, the reason this happened today is because it was a gun-free zone. Of course, Mike Huckabee's head is a brain-free zone. But a lot of people nod their heads in agreement, because the right to own as many fucking guns as you want, and the right to own guns so powerful that they can kill a dozen people in seconds, is more important than thousands of lives each year. I gave up any hope about rational gun control when they couldn't do anything after Sandy Hook. The only result of that was a spike in gun sales immediately after. We'll have another one of these next week. And the week after. And so on.

d'Kong76 Dec 02 2015 05:36 PM Re: Shootings 2015

For me, these things need to be less about guns and more about what the hell is wrong with society these days. Anyone can get illegal or legal guns if they want them.

Lefty Specialist Dec 02 2015 05:43 PM Re: Shootings 2015

d'Kong76 wrote: For me, these things need to be less about guns and more about what the hell is wrong with society these days. Anyone can get illegal or legal guns if they want them. Yes, including mentally ill people and those on the no-fly list. It can't be less about the guns when the guns are the proximate cause of death. You wouldn't see 14 dead and 17 wounded if it was 3 guys with knives.

d'Kong76 Dec 02 2015 05:55 PM Re: Shootings 2015

Like I said, if someone wants a gun they'll find one regardless of what the laws are.

RealityChuck Dec 02 2015 06:38 PM Re: Shootings 2015

The Republican plan to deal with the shootings is to have their hearts go out to the families of the victims.

d'Kong76 Dec 02 2015 06:41 PM Re: Shootings 2015

It's not a party thing, people are DEAD! I'm a registered independent.

d'Kong76 Dec 02 2015 06:42 PM Re: Shootings 2015

What the FUCK has OBAMA done in his eight years in office when he ran on CHANGE?? Nothing, everything is the same. Wake up!

d'Kong76 Dec 02 2015 06:43 PM Re: Shootings 2015

Clinton ran on change too! What did he change? Nothing. He played a mean sax on national tv.

Lefty Specialist Dec 02 2015 07:00 PM Re: Shootings 2015

Nothing on gun control, certainly. There is that little health care law, a viable auto industry and the fact that our entire economy didn't go down the shitter. And considering he's had an opposition party running Congress that has opposed and tried to sabotage everything he does, change is hard. Bush fucked things up but good. So [u:24smn5ge]not[/u:24smn5ge] fucking up (and cleaning up the mess) is a plus. President Trump will find it hard to keep that streak intact.

d'Kong76 Dec 02 2015 07:12 PM Re: Shootings 2015

Lefty Specialist wrote: President Trump will find it hard to keep that streak intact. More likely President Hillary keeping streaks intact.

Ashie62 Dec 02 2015 07:18 PM Re: Shootings 2015

Screw the NRA.

d'Kong76 Dec 02 2015 07:34 PM Re: Shootings 2015

Yeah!! And the LGY!!

themetfairy Dec 02 2015 08:36 PM Re: Shootings 2015

d'Kong76 wrote: What the FUCK has OBAMA done in his eight years in office when he ran on CHANGE?? Nothing, everything is the same. Wake up! Well, my daughter was able to stay on our health insurance until she turned 26, and we know that she can't be denied insurance in the future due to any pre-existing health conditions. That means a lot to us.

d'Kong76 Dec 02 2015 09:04 PM Re: Shootings 2015

I didn't mean this to go places like there, but I never learn.

cooby Dec 03 2015 04:28 AM Re: Shootings 2015

themetfairy wrote: d'Kong76 wrote: What the FUCK has OBAMA done in his eight years in office when he ran on CHANGE?? Nothing, everything is the same. Wake up! Well, my daughter was able to stay on our health insurance until she turned 26, and we know that she can't be denied insurance in the future due to any pre-existing health conditions. That means a lot to us. That meant a LOT to us too...when our daughter graduated from college we were scrambling to find her insurance until she got her own job...when our son did, we had time to work with it until he found a job with coverage. People who didn't have college age kids probably never even thought about that. ANother thing Obama did that makes a big difference in my life anyway, is that our credit card bills give us more than a week to pay them. It's now a law that they have to send them out with a longer span before the due date. Exceedingly helpful. We used to get them with barely any turnaround time to keep them from being late, which allowed them to tag on a late fee next month.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 03 2015 06:54 AM Re: Shootings 2015

Disgruntled worker, body armor and tactical gear, a service center for children and young people, a vague Saudi connection... it's like a bizarre, terrible Greatest Hits of Mass Killings goulash. Y'know, but for the married couple thing. Married, with an infant. Jesus.

d'Kong76 Dec 03 2015 07:46 AM Re: Shootings 2015

d'Kong76 wrote: What the FUCK has OBAMA done in his eight years in office when he ran on CHANGE?? Nothing, everything is the same. Healthcare reform withdrawn from my nothing list. We are fortunate to have good uninterrupted insurance in our household. Between KB's decade-long battle with cancer and my major surgery and health problems no insurance certainly would have bankrupted us a few times over. Obama has lied about a lot of other things, but that's not for the shooting thread. Can I say shooting and Obama in the same sentence without the secret service showing up at my door and taking my guns away? Guess we'll see.

Centerfield Dec 03 2015 08:13 AM Re: Shootings 2015

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Disgruntled worker, body armor and tactical gear, a service center for children and young people, a vague Saudi connection... it's like a bizarre, terrible Greatest Hits of Mass Killings goulash. Y'know, but for the married couple thing. Married, with an infant. Jesus. The baby part is the craziest thing. I can see how a lone wolf devolves into such a bad place that a mass shooting enters his head. It is hard to fathom how this kind of thing is possible for a young couple blessed enough to be given the gift of a newborn.

d'Kong76 Dec 03 2015 08:17 AM Re: Shootings 2015

d'Kong76 wrote: d'Kong76 wrote: What the FUCK has OBAMA done in his eight years in office when he ran on CHANGE?? Nothing, everything is the same. Healthcare reform withdrawn from my nothing list. We are fortunate to have good uninterrupted insurance in our household. Between KB's decade-long battle with cancer and my major surgery and health problems no insurance certainly would have bankrupted us a few times over. I left off a sentence... so the thought of not having insurance or a loved one not having it would frighten the crap out of me.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 03 2015 08:19 AM Re: Shootings 2015

Unfortunately, crazy people can have babies too. My guess is that these shooters weren't destined to be great parents. Hopefully that baby has a nice normal aunt or uncle who can raise it.

d'Kong76 Dec 03 2015 08:27 AM Re: Shootings 2015

They briefly interviewed a brother-in-law on a news thing I saw this morning that seemed normal. Hopefully, he or someone can get custody.

Mets – Willets Point Dec 03 2015 08:28 AM Re: Shootings 2015

I wish we had gotten the Obama that the right wing news sites talk about - the socialist who wants to tax the rich and take away the guns - instead of the real Obama - reincarnation of Ronald Reagan working for corporate/military interests.

metsmarathon Dec 03 2015 09:05 AM Re: Shootings 2015

this should really be in the politics thread, but the president we got is most assuredly not working for military interests in any Reaganesque fashion. corporate interests maybe. continuing and engaging in low level warring, sure. military... not so much. I mean, he's not working against it. its just that he's not working for it. of course, as commander in chief, he really kinda should be working for it, no? back to the guns... and the shootings... well. what can he do? he's the president. but what can he really, actually do on this issue? RealityChuck wrote: The Republican plan to deal with the shootings is to have their hearts go out to the families of the victims. the republican plan to deal with the shootings is to blame the victims for not having brought guns to their office Christmas party, and to blame everyone else for not having allowed - nay, compelled - the victims to bring guns to their office Christmas party. it's funny. the republican solution to gun violence is to give guns to everybody. but which side is most willing to go to war to keep stronger weapons out of the hands of more countries? wouldn't the mass proliferation of WMD make us all safer? I hate that I just wrote a pair of sentences that start with "the republican plan" and "the republican solution". I fucking hate politics. it's not the republican plan, or the republican solution. its the loudest shouted idea from the loudest shouting mouth. its not indicative of the group as a whole, though there are seemingly less and less on that side willing to stand up and offer a reasonable alternative. but it cuts both ways. what we really need is for both sides of the country to come together and realize that the real solution is neither to take away all the guns, nor give away all the guns, but to talk rationally and sensibly about what undercurrents, if any, are running beneath these mass killings. all the bullshit stemming from the political divide is contributing to it, to the point where the only way to be heard, to have an audience, is to scream the loudest from the most extreme position possible. "womens health providers are the devil!" "Christians hate women" "brown people are criminals and/or terrorists" "all cops are killers" there's no middle ground anymore, and anyone daring to venture in there is dancing on landmines and pirouetting around razor wire. it's the great war writ rhetorically. and it's fucking destroying us.

cooby Dec 03 2015 09:07 AM Re: Shootings 2015

The baby's age puzzles me though. If they met online and he went over this year and married her how could it be six months old and his?

Edgy MD Dec 03 2015 09:17 AM Re: Shootings 2015

metsmarathon wrote: there's no middle ground anymore, and anyone daring to venture in there is dancing on landmines and pirouetting around razor wire. it's the great war writ rhetorically. and it's fucking destroying us. Well said. On guns, should my neighbor be able to have an ICBM pointed over the fence at my house? Leaving aside the silliness that it would have to be suspended over the fence somehow, as if the fence could impede it, can we agree that the second amendment doesn't allow for this? Because we have to find a place to walk back from. Weapons are just too sophisticated and too affordable.

d'Kong76 Dec 03 2015 09:37 AM Re: Shootings 2015

I think ICBM's are illegal in Maryland. These things do vary state to state. My brother-in-law (who lives in No California) is a gun collector and has like a hundred guns. At one point they considered relocating to the family house in the Catskills and after researching he couldn't bring his arsenal legally into NYS and that ended that move. Just mentioning it because it's California and they have said on the news that the guns used in this latest tragedy were legal firearms.

Edgy MD Dec 03 2015 09:41 AM Re: Shootings 2015

They usually are.

d'Kong76 Dec 03 2015 09:49 AM Re: Shootings 2015

Edgy MD wrote: They usually are. I know. Ban guns, the underworld needs more business.

Ceetar Dec 03 2015 09:56 AM Re: Shootings 2015

d'Kong76 wrote: Edgy MD wrote: They usually are. I know. Ban guns, the underworld needs more business. pretty much all the research suggests that banning/restricting guns does in fact significantly lower homicides, crimes and suicides.

d'Kong76 Dec 03 2015 10:18 AM Re: Shootings 2015

I'm moving to Europe, where it's safe.

Nymr83 Dec 03 2015 10:59 AM Re: Shootings 2015

d'Kong76 wrote: I'm moving to Europe, where it's safe. We'll welcome you back in 20 years when its been completely overrun.

Mets – Willets Point Dec 04 2015 08:29 AM Re: Shootings 2015

This gets my vote for tabloid cover of the year, non-Mets division.

Nymr83 Dec 04 2015 08:33 AM Re: Shootings 2015

only in the sicko liberal media can the NRA, an organization dedicated to protecting a constitutional right (whether you agree with it or not) be mentioned along with an Islamic terrorist... fuck the Daily News.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 04 2015 08:35 AM Re: Shootings 2015

I don't know about that. Allowing people on terrorist watchlists to get assault weapons is to the Second Amendment as yelling fire in a movie house is to the First Amendment.

Mets – Willets Point Dec 04 2015 08:39 AM Re: Shootings 2015

Nymr83 wrote: only in the sicko liberal media Only in your mind is the Daily News "liberal." the NRA, an organization dedicated to protecting the profits of weapons manufacturers and the perverse fantasies for right-wing, white supremacist anti-American insurrectionists who don't understand what a "well-regulated militia" means. Fixed that for you.

Ceetar Dec 04 2015 08:42 AM Re: Shootings 2015

Nymr83 wrote: only in the sicko liberal media can the NRA, an organization dedicated to protecting a constitutional right (whether you agree with it or not) be mentioned along with an Islamic terrorist... fuck the Daily News. fighting against gun laws is fighting against the second amendment actually. That's what 'well regulated' means.

Edgy MD Dec 04 2015 09:26 AM Re: Shootings 2015

I disagree that Adam Lanza is a terrorist. Probably Holmes too. The News cover editors have been sticking their necks out on this. It's getting them attention, but probably not helping their case or improving any dialogue. Liberal or not, and whether that is meant pejoratively or not, the News has long had a consistently left-leaning editorial page, their endorsement of Mitt Romney notwithstanding. I think they just made a deal around 1980 or so with the Post, trading angles, as Archie Bunker's News swung from right to left, and Barney Miller's Post simultaneously went from left to right.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 04 2015 09:32 AM Re: Shootings 2015

Exactly. Flattening the complexities of the discourse from the other side doesn't help any sort of progress. And speaking of fine points... Ceetar wrote: Nymr83 wrote: only in the sicko liberal media can the NRA, an organization dedicated to protecting a constitutional right (whether you agree with it or not) be mentioned along with an Islamic terrorist... fuck the Daily News. fighting against gun laws is fighting against the second amendment actually. That's what 'well regulated' means. It is amazing how much of the strict-constructionist crowd glosses right over this little guy when doing its close parsing of the Top Ten.

Frayed Knot Dec 04 2015 11:26 AM Re: Shootings 2015

Edgy MD wrote: Liberal or not, and whether that is meant pejoratively or not, the News has long had a consistently left-leaning editorial page, their endorsement of Mitt Romney notwithstanding. I think they just made a deal around 1980 or so with the Post, trading angles, as Archie Bunker's News swung from right to left, and Barney Miller's Post simultaneously went from left to right. 1980 sounds about right. Obviously it was the sale to Rupert Murdoch which shifted the POST's angle. Don't remember if there was a sudden change to the NEWS or a more gradual thing - I believe there was at least one ownership change prior to Mort Z. Perhaps they sensed the ongoing demise of NYC's blue-collar, white, working-man demo and decided that the future pointed left. Prior to that, I have some originals of DN op-ed cartoons from back in the '70s. They're kind of funny in that they're all rather predictably tame as they deal almost exclusively with 'the three C's' of crime, corruption, and communism. The NEWS boldly positions themselves an the 'anti' side of each.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 04 2015 11:30 AM Re: Shootings 2015

The news was briefly owned by a guy named Robert Maxwell. I don't remember much about him, other than that some scandal erupted and then he died after falling off a boat. (Robert Wagner was, I don't think, anywhere in the vicinity.)

cooby Dec 04 2015 11:37 AM Re: Shootings 2015

Edgy MD wrote: I disagree that Adam Lanza is a terrorist. 0 He used to be

Benjamin Grimm Dec 04 2015 11:40 AM Re: Shootings 2015

I wouldn't classify Adam Lanza as a terrorist. He was just an evil nut. The definition of terrorist is "a person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims." I don't think Lanza had any kind of political motivation. I don't think it matters a whole lot. The actions of these people are far more significant than the label you give them.

Edgy MD Dec 04 2015 11:45 AM Re: Shootings 2015

It certainly matters to the News up above. They have a very specific agenda — to take the focus off of ISIS and put it on the NRA. I'm not pro-NRA by any means, but I don't think watering down the definition of "terrorist" is helpful by any means.

Frayed Knot Dec 04 2015 11:46 AM Re: Shootings 2015

Benjamin Grimm wrote: The news was briefly owned by a guy named Robert Maxwell. I don't remember much about him, other than that some scandal erupted and then he died after falling off a boat. (Robert Wagner was, I don't think, anywhere in the vicinity.) Oh yeah. I shouldn't have forgotten him considering that I worked for him for a time - not directly but as part of his empire. In fact, Maxwell and Rupert Murdoch were bitter rivals in the global media world so it is logical to assume that he wanted to run his NYC paper as the anti-Murdoch.

Edgy MD Dec 14 2015 09:25 AM Re: Shootings 2015

Our 2012 Newtown Thread. And the related contemporary gun control thread.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 14 2015 05:37 PM Re: Shootings 2015

Edgy MD wrote: Our 2012 Newtown Thread. And the related contemporary gun control thread. Holy hell. I'd totally, TOTALLY forgotten about Denard Span's truther-iness.