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Centerfield Oct 21 2015 06:53 AM

On that Conforto wild pitch, would the run have counted if Cespedes had crossed the plate, then Conforto had been thrown out running to first? Since it's a force play, it seems like the run should not count. But since it's a wild pitch, it seems like the run should have counted. I have no idea.

Ceetar Oct 21 2015 07:02 AM Re: Pointless Question

Centerfield wrote: On that Conforto wild pitch, would the run have counted if Cespedes had crossed the plate, then Conforto had been thrown out running to first? Since it's a force play, it seems like the run should not count. But since it's a wild pitch, it seems like the run should have counted. I have no idea. I have to assume not. It's a strikeout the second the third strike is called, and the batter becomes a runner. It's a force play, so the run won't count if he's put out at first. It's also not a wild pitch if he's put out at first.

Frayed Knot Oct 21 2015 07:04 AM Re: Pointless Question

The force thing prevails so, because there were already two outs, the run would NOT have counted. And remember that there are no pointless questions, only pointless answers.

El Segundo Escupidor Oct 21 2015 07:08 AM Re: Pointless Question

Ceetar wrote: It's also not a wild pitch if he's put out at first. Correct. A wild pitch is only recorded if a baserunner advances and in this case they don't because the runner is forced out at first.

Edgy MD Oct 21 2015 07:12 AM Re: Pointless Question

Poor Montero, man. He was like a goaltender that whole at-bat. But credit to Cespedes for putting pressure on the defense and exploiting an obvious flaw in the shift deployment. If the nearest defender is 50 feet from third base, the runner can take a 50-foot lead.

Centerfield Oct 21 2015 07:15 AM Re: Pointless Question

Frayed Knot wrote: The force thing prevails so, because there were already two outs, the run would NOT have counted. And remember that there are no pointless questions, only pointless answers. Thanks! My wife cheered as soon as Cespedes crossed the plate. I waited until Conforto reached first. I honestly had no idea who was right there. Is this something you knew? Or did you have to look it up? I think it's crazy that after more than 30 years of playing/watching/coaching this game, there are still parts of baseball that baffle me.

seawolf17 Oct 21 2015 07:20 AM Re: Pointless Question

Edgy MD wrote: Poor Montero, man. He was like a goaltender that whole at-bat. But credit to Cespedes for putting pressure on the defense and exploiting an obvious flaw in the shift deployment. If the nearest defender is 50 feet from third base, the runner can take a 50-foot lead. I was kinda hoping he would steal home.

Ceetar Oct 21 2015 07:26 AM Re: Pointless Question

seawolf17 wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Poor Montero, man. He was like a goaltender that whole at-bat. But credit to Cespedes for putting pressure on the defense and exploiting an obvious flaw in the shift deployment. If the nearest defender is 50 feet from third base, the runner can take a 50-foot lead. I was kinda hoping he would steal home. Right? wait until the catcher only lobs it back to the pitcher and there's no way he's returning a throw in time to catch you.

Frayed Knot Oct 21 2015 07:46 AM Re: Pointless Question

Edgy MD wrote: Poor Montero, man. He was like a goaltender that whole at-bat. But credit to Cespedes for putting pressure on the defense and exploiting an obvious flaw in the shift deployment. If the nearest defender is 50 feet from third base, the runner can take a 50-foot lead. The pitcher also acted like he wanted no part of Conforto. Wan't trying to walk him necessarily but desperately wanted to get him out without throwing anything near a strike, so after three bounced pitches in a row where, like you said, Montero was desperately throwing himself around there, it was almost like the K/WP thing was more inevitable than flukey. And for all our 'Conforto over Cuddy' chants lately, Conforto is something like 1-fer-14 in post-season so far. But we've also remarked a number of times in the short duration that he's been up how he gives you the 'wise beyond his years' vibe up there and usually takes good ABs even when the results aren't always there. He also knew to immediately look behind him to see if the ball got away and then get on his horse. In fact my first thought after that was to think that if the roles were reversed there (Conforto on 3rd, Cespedes at the plate) would the result have been the same? Mebbe not. "Is this something you knew? Or did you have to look it up?" -- I guess instinctively knew it would be the best answer, in that the force trumps everything. For example if a bases-clearing double with two outs were to end with the team successfully appealing that the batter missed 1st it would negate all the runs on the idea that he never legally attained to 1st base. But the same scenario where the batter missed 2nd would end the inning but the runs would count because now it's a non-force after the fact, more akin to him being called out trying for 3rd. "I think it's crazy that after more than 30 years of playing/watching/coaching this game, there are still parts of baseball that baffle me." -- I certainly still find instances where I have to stop and think things through and even then don't always come up with the correct solution.

El Segundo Escupidor Oct 21 2015 07:52 AM Re: Pointless Question

Centerfield wrote: . Is this something you knew? Or did you have to look it up? I think it's crazy that after more than 30 years of playing/watching/coaching this game, there are still parts of baseball that baffle me. Start with the premise that a force overrides all scoring/advancement with two outs.