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G-Fafif
Oct 23 2015 07:46 AM

Zach Lowe, Grantland's NBA writer, writes a touching piece on how he couldn't have been a bigger Mets fan, but once he lost the handle, he just couldn't get it back.

I remember the exact moment my Mets fandom crested: September 16, 1998, when Todd Hundley cranked a pinch-hit solo homer to put the Mets up 4-3 in the 11th inning in Houston. Turk Wendell, that rosin-tossing freak show with the lethal slider, blanked the Astros in the bottom half to clinch the win. The Mets were 86-68, just a half-game behind Chicago in the wild-card race.

I sprinted upstairs, busted into my parents’ bedroom without knocking — what in the world was I thinking? — and announced, breathlessly, that the Mets had won on a Hundley homer. I had been watching the game 45 minutes earlier with my dad when Mike Piazza, the long-lost superstar New York had acquired in the middle of that season, came up with two on and two out in the ninth and the Mets trailing 2-0. I was shaking on the couch. I felt the home run coming in my bones. I told my dad. He laughed at me.

Piazza smashed a laser-beam line drive over the right-field wall to put New York up 3-2. Hundley winning the game two innings later was poetic. He was the incumbent All-Star catcher; Piazza had displaced him. I owned an official Hundley jersey. He was the team’s best player as the Mets crept up from mediocrity starting in 1997. I had already bought a Piazza batting practice jersey, but I wouldn’t spring for the real thing, because in my head, that would have been disrespectful to Hundley’s tenured status. The Mets had tried to play Hundley in the outfield, but it wasn’t working. I couldn’t say it out loud, but I knew on that night that Hundley was done as a Met — that the game-winning homer might be his last great moment in New York.

I loved Hundley. The Lowes were a baseball (and basketball) family. My parents would get why I had to wake them up and tell them what Hundley had done. They were still awake, and demanded the details.

The Mets won games that were more important, and did so in more thrilling fashion, the next year, when they advanced to the National League Championship Series, and then in 2000, when they lost to the hateful Yankees in the Subway Series. But every fan gets amped for playoff games. The pure joy I felt over a regular-season game, a joy that still courses through my body as I close my eyes and recall sprinting around the house, is something more special. It is representative of how much that team, and that particular group of players, meant to me.

And it’s all gone, and has been for years. The Mets are doing the very thing I lived 25 years hoping they’d do, and it is absolutely killing me inside. Never let your passions die.


Sort of in that realm, if not as touching, Jeff Katz, Mayor of Cooperstown and author of Split Season, says he can't quite get it going again for his childhood team.

In June 1977 I watched in horror as the Mets sent Seaver to the Reds and I realized at that moment that I loved Tom Seaver more than I loved the Mets. It became clear to me that the game was the players, not the owners, not the team names, not the stadiums. It was a minor epiphany, a liberating one which allowed me to enjoy the game itself without the drag of rabid, team-centric, interest. [...] Once that bond was broken, that deeply felt emotional tie, it couldn’t be repaired, it couldn’t be reclaimed. I came out of a spell. Do I wish the Mets ill? Nah. Do I wish them well? Sure, for whatever that’s worth. I simply have no feelings about them.

Ceetar
Oct 23 2015 07:54 AM
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i call hogwash mostly. They don't want it back.

I'm firmly of the belief if they say, hung out here every day, or went to games with friends, they'd get into it. Anyone would. When you incorporate something into your life, you get passionate about it.

seawolf17
Oct 23 2015 07:57 AM
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You know, there's definitely bandwagon backlash. But really, screw that. You want on? HOP ON and join the ride. The more, the merrier.

I actually listened to Francesa for the first time in forever yesterday; he made the point that there's a set of people who will always be MFY fans, and set of people who will always be Mets fans, but there's a set of people in the middle who will waffle. And honestly, I'm okay with welcoming those folks back.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Oct 23 2015 08:02 AM
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And then there are the folks who don't get why they're personae non grata.

Jamie Meyer, 31, a film editor, used a drastic metaphor to make his point.

“It’s like postwar Germany,” he said. “ ‘Yes, I was a member of the Nazi Party during the war. But sure, I’ll come over to your house.’ No, you can’t. Some really horrible things have happened...”

The most infuriating thing about Yankees fans enjoying the Mets’ good fortune, Jessica Indelicato said at the Playwright, was that it threatened to deprive her of the pleasure of their misery.

“I was just bullied my entire life by Yankees fans,” said Ms. Indelicato, 33, a fashion designer from Great Kills, Staten Island. “Now I get to rub it back in their faces.”


It's tearing Metly families apart!

Mr. Flores said she had been a Yankees fan for decades and had only come around to the Mets during their playoff series with the Dodgers last week. “You can’t have it both ways,” he said.

Ms. Moronta contacted The Times on Thursday, after reading the article, to forcefully dispute her brother’s characterization.

“We’re at war now,” she said.

Centerfield
Oct 23 2015 08:07 AM
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seawolf17 wrote:
You know, there's definitely bandwagon backlash. But really, screw that. You want on? HOP ON and join the ride. The more, the merrier.

I actually listened to Francesa for the first time in forever yesterday; he made the point that there's a set of people who will always be MFY fans, and set of people who will always be Mets fans, but there's a set of people in the middle who will waffle. And honestly, I'm okay with welcoming those folks back.


This.

Centerfield
Oct 23 2015 08:08 AM
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I'm looking forward to the Billy Crystal movie where his character wears a neon yellow arm sleeve.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Oct 23 2015 08:13 AM
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Centerfield wrote:
I'm looking forward to the Billy Crystal movie where his character wears a neon yellow arm sleeve.


I wouldn't look forward to a Billy Crystal movie if its main character were hand-feeding Bartolo Colon riblets, sporting a Mackey Sasser tobacco lump, and massaging Rusty's feet while simultaneously splashing the pot on his medical-plane Kickstarter.

MFS62
Oct 23 2015 08:26 AM
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
Centerfield wrote:
I'm looking forward to the Billy Crystal movie where his character wears a neon yellow arm sleeve.


I wouldn't look forward to a Billy Crystal movie if its main character were hand-feeding Bartolo Colon riblets, sporting a Mackey Sasser tobacco lump, and massaging Rusty's feet while simultaneously splashing the pot on his medical-plane Kickstarter.

Actually, I might see that movie. But only on cable.

Later

G-Fafif
Oct 23 2015 08:26 AM
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I get the hesitation on some level. My Football Giants fandom in the Parcells era was fairly intense but I drifted away in the ensuing years. Still liked them, still hoped they'd win, was still sorry when they lost, didn't suddenly start rooting for the Cowboys or Eagles -- on paper they were still my team -- but I didn't live and die every Sunday with them. It just wasn't the same. When they got on their run to Super Bowl XLII I felt like a bit of a fraud compared to those who treated the Giants the way I treated the Mets. But in the course of that January and February, I felt it all come back to me and by the end of their upset of the Patriots, I was as thrilled as I could possibly be over anything that wasn't the Mets. Perhaps Zach Lowe will be overcome by that sensation in the next four to seven games. (Katz, OTOH, seems proud that he doesn't care.)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Oct 23 2015 08:58 AM
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Katz seems like a decent enough guy, I suppose, but his Mets posture has the waft of "I'm not familiar with that program you're discussing, because I don't really own a TV" to it.

d'Kong76
Oct 23 2015 09:06 AM
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seawolf17 wrote:
You want on? HOP ON and join the ride. The more, the merrier.

And bring beer and snacks!

metirish
Oct 23 2015 12:44 PM
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seawolf17 wrote:
You know, there's definitely bandwagon backlash. But really, screw that. You want on? HOP ON and join the ride. The more, the merrier.

I actually listened to Francesa for the first time in forever yesterday; he made the point that there's a set of people who will always be MFY fans, and set of people who will always be Mets fans, but there's a set of people in the middle who will waffle. And honestly, I'm okay with welcoming those folks back.



Several guys at the gym that are MFY fans yet go to Mets game(like the stadium more) and are gladly cheering for the Mets , and they are cool guys.....

Frayed Knot
Oct 23 2015 12:53 PM
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Yeah, I always thought that the rule for NYC sports fans - and this goes for all the sports, not just baseball -- was that if you were a die-hard for one team then you unquestionably rooted against the other.
But of course not everyone is like us nut-cases here and there are those -- the equivalent of swing voters if you will -- who might prefer one side over the other without seeing it entirely as black hats vs whites. I'm essentially that way in football because my interest was never as strong for the Jets or for the sport in general. Hockey has always been a little tougher to roll like that because the teams were always in the same division and therefore more of a direct threat to each other. And I'll comment on basketball just as soon as I meet an actual Nets fan. I've heard they exist but I have no proof of that.

Edgy MD
Oct 23 2015 01:05 PM
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I have no problem with Yankee fans hopping on the bandwagon. Just, you know, take a back seat and behave. Don't make us look bad by acting like... quel est le mot?... Yankee fans. We have enough louts, mooks, and bullies to deal with already in the Mets base without Yankee fans making this coming Metly Golden Age insufferable. You want to act up and gay-bait and give people the finger through the window of the bandwagon? Get out and walk.

And if you want to bail out the next time the Yankees make a run for the championship? That's fine. There are worse things than frontrunners. But you lose your seniority on the bus again.

And this guy? For all that is good and holy, disown him with extreme prejudice.

soupcan
Oct 23 2015 01:24 PM
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I was getting there over the 2013 & 2014 seasons.

Got really fed up with everything surrounding the team. I still watched games but for the first time in forever I did not go to one game in 2014. My friends would ask how many games I'd gone too and when I told them the response was more than not 'wowwwwwwwww....'. Stopped posting here too. I'm not gonna lie - it wasn't horrible. No more having my day ruined by a blown save.

This season though, maybe because of deGrom, and Harvey coming back healthy I was more interested from the get-go. Still not completely back but I had one eye steadily trained on them. After the 11 game win streak, friends would say 'are you back, now? I was not. Not fully convinced. As this season went on though, I liked watching again. They might have had some bad stretches but they fought. My son would walk into the living room and see the game on and he'd say 'so I guess you're back, huh?'

Once I was convinced though, it was easy to dive back in. Sure I missed a few minor players over the 2 years I became a casual observer but it's all good now.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 23 2015 01:30 PM
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soupcan
Oct 23 2015 01:33 PM
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That's perfect Lunchy. Any idea what the details were surrounding that douchetastic assemblage of doucheocity?

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 23 2015 01:39 PM
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I think that was the time Derek Jeter's penis accidentally slipped out of his pants.

Mets – Willets Point
Oct 23 2015 01:40 PM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
I think that was the time Derek Jeter's penis accidentally slipped out of his pants.


The big guy in the back is saying "(I want to) Fuck you! Fuck you!"

soupcan
Oct 23 2015 01:44 PM
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I wish I could read King Douche's lips. Apparently everyone in his little Douchedom thinks he's pretty hysterical.

soupcan
Oct 23 2015 01:49 PM
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This has got to be it:

2010 ALCS, Game 4 -

'The Yankees jumped to an early lead in the bottom of the second on a controversial solo home run from Robinson Canó. Canó hit the ball over the right field wall and right-field umpire Jim Reynolds ruled the ball a home run, but Rangers right fielder Nelson Cruz argued that there was spectator interference. Television replays showed that the fans did not illegally interfere with the ball directly, but that a few fans did touch Cruz's glove while it was over the field of play. Instant replay review was not used and the home run call stood.'

Zvon
Oct 23 2015 01:54 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
i call hogwash mostly. They don't want it back.


This, pretty much. I left the Mets in 77 cause of the Seaver trade. Still liked them, but they got very little of my $$, as in I stopped supporting them in that way. They still got my attention through televised games (although I didn't watch anywhere near the amount of game I used to), box scores, baseball cards and such.

I was pissed at the front office, and I decided I would not support the team until we got new owners. I came around slowly as the team moved into the 80s. Players like Mookie Wilson and Hubie Brooks got my attention. And it's not like Steve Henderson or Doug Flynn didn't, I just unfairly held a slight resentment towards them because of how they arrived. I was a fan of both, more-so Flynn, but I could never really get past the Seaver connection.

During all this ownership did shift and I could follow my team again in what I considered an honorable fashion. When they got Seaver back and went after Keith I was as all in as I ever was.

Some people, when they feel passionate about something and they get burned, shut down their emotions completely so that the the subject never has a chance to hurt them again. And some people don't. It's a relative thing, and like Ceetar says, they don't want it back. They have shut themselves off in regards to the Mets.

metirish
Oct 23 2015 01:55 PM
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What a picture , love the overly nourished douchebag , think he's saying "fuck you fuck", someone stole his lunch maybe

Lefty Specialist
Oct 23 2015 01:56 PM
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I watched a lot of Islander hockey in the early 80's, but after that I drifted away and today I am completely indifferent to their fate. Couldn't name a single player on the current team without The Google.

If you catch on to a team when they're winning, losing seasons can peel you away. The reason that the MFY fan base is so strong is that an entire generation has grown up without seeing the Yankees have a losing season. (The last one was in 1991, 24 years ago). They're always in it, every friggin year, even if they don't win.

Now being a Met fan is a lot harder. They have long periods of mediocre/bad play punctuated by bursts of competence. You've really got to want it if you're willing to sit through the Richie Hebners and the Vince Colemans and the Jeff Duncans of the world. That kid who ran upstairs celebrating the Hundley homer never made it through 2003. Probably didn't make it through the 5-game losing streak that ended the 1998 season short of a Wild Card. But conversely, when the good stuff happens it's so much sweeter for the diehards.

Who do you think would be more excited to see their team in the World Series? Us or this guy with his Cracker Jack rings and cheap cigar?



Us, naturally. So bandwagon fans are okay, but they are what they are. At the first sign of adversity they'll be gone, leaving us hard-cores.

The best part is that what the Mets are doing is really irking the crap out of most Yankee fans. They like being in the spotlight and don't like it being taken away. They feel it's a birthright. Most of them don't really HATE the Mets, it's more of a gentle condescension. The apex of this was when the Mets actually made it to the World Series and lost four games to one to THEM. Had that been reversed maybe things would be different. But that played into the narrative of being the eternal second banana.

They figure they'll spend money next year and be right back where they belong. But if the Mets linger at the top for a while, well, maybe the worm will turn.

cooby
Oct 23 2015 01:57 PM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
I think that was the time Derek Jeter's penis accidentally slipped out of his pants.



OMG, just hilarious!